On 20/05/2022 09:55, Peter wrote:
> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in
> news:jeo4vpFjn84U2@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 19/05/2022 22:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 19-May-22 14:42, Peter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Glodfish is the plan. Plenty of amphibians and predatory insect
>>>> larvae in there already, and most of the time they are enough to
>>>> keep the mossies down - I think it's this spell of warm wet weather
>>>> that's caused the little
>>>> blighters to breed faster than usual. On previous occasions when
>>>> this has happened (every few years) I've chucked a few small
>>>> glodfish in - seems to
>>>> work, and they thrive for a few years (until the next really cold
>>>> winter).
>>>> Trouble is, they eat all the intersting pond life as well. Voracious
>>>> little
>>>> hooters, your glodfih.
>>>>
>>> We had tadpoles, until the newts moved in.  No more tadpoles.
>>
>> We had frogs and tadpoles and glodfish until the heron visited. Then
>> we had tadpoles.
>
> Fortunately, my pond is surrounded by trees so the heron can't get a decent
> glide-path. Unfortunately, my pond is surrounded by trees so it fills up
> with leaves.

@I'm sure you can solve the leaf promble. Herons can be kept out of
ponds by rigging-up a surrounding length of fishing line (practically
invisible) at a height of a few inches so as the marauder is about to
step into the pond, the line comes into contact with a foot - heron
alarmed and flies orf.

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in
news:t67pmf$7kf$1@dont-email.me:

> On 20/05/2022 09:55, Peter wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately, my pond is surrounded by trees so the heron can't get a
>> decent glide-path. Unfortunately, my pond is surrounded by trees so
>> it fills up with leaves.
>
> @I'm sure you can solve the leaf promble. Herons can be kept out of
> ponds by rigging-up a surrounding length of fishing line

I have dealt with the leaf promble in the past by draining the pond every
few years and transfering the semi-rotted (not ROTed) mulch to the compost
bin. But I'm getting a little too mature to be clambering in and out of the
pond with bucket-loads of gunge[1]. Getting rid of the trees would suit
SWMBO but they are under a TPO - a neighbour was fined �'owmuch? last year
for ignoring it. Anyway, they keep the herons away.

[1] excavated sheep, I clambered in and out of the hole[5] a couple of
times yesterday, much to SWMBO's concern. She even braved the mossies to
come and check that I could get out. I could, but with difficulty.

[5] the hole is a well I dug when I was younger and fitter. I sometimes
have to service the pump that's down there. I won't be able to do that for
much longer.
--
Peter
-----

Mike Fleming said:
> On 19/05/2022 09:13, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-05-18, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>> On 18-May-22 15:29, maus wrote:
>>>> Can anyone remember the name of the stuff that they add to the grapes in
>>>> Germany to help fermentation? I have used it here (.ie) as well.
>>>
>>
>>> Given the German attitude to what can or cannot go into their beer, I
>>> can't imagine anything being added, except a little insinglass after
>>> fermentation is over.
>>>
>> Actually, I think that law has been abandoned, I have moved on to
>> tyskie, which suits my digestion.
>
> That's the EU for you. Germany had to allow adulterated beers to be sold
> there.

I rmember their argument, that German males took so much of their
nourishment in the form of Beer that adulterating it would lead to
poisoning. I have no info as to how many Germans drink narsty forrin
beer, nor how many of them have been poisoned. By poisons other whan
ethanol, that is ...

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Nick Odell said:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:37:15 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>On 19-May-22 18:05, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <t65lc1$jn1$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>>>> On 19/05/2022 13:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hirondelle, man, *Hirondelle*.
>>>>
>>>> I'll swallow that.
>>>
>>> Rather you than me. When I was tsudent I spent rather more time
>>> unswallowing it than swallowing it. Ansty, rot gut stuff.
>>
>>The days of dirt-cheap rot-gut wine seem to be long gone - at least here
>>in the UK.
>>
>>P.S. I thought/hoped Hirondelle had died a death yonks ago.
>
> How cheap is dirt cheap?
>
> The Daily Telegraph recently recommended six wines from Tesco, each
> under a fiver and each worth drinking - they said. At under a fiver
> and given ttansport, bottling, profits and the unique way the UK
> government taxes the stuff, that's leaving about 25p for the cost of
> the wine itself.
>
> At great personal sacrifice I went out of my way to test the
> Telegraph's opinion. There's one I still haven't found in stock, two
> that I'd never drink again but three that are perfectly good enough to
> keep in the kitchen and glug down whilst cooking. Maybe even add a
> little of it to the occasional sauce?

Not having either a highly-trained stunt palate nor a massive
entertainment budget, insanesbury's £5-a-bottle house brands work for
me.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 20/05/2022 12:16, Peter wrote:
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in
> news:t67pmf$7kf$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 20/05/2022 09:55, Peter wrote:
>>>
>>> Fortunately, my pond is surrounded by trees so the heron can't get a
>>> decent glide-path. Unfortunately, my pond is surrounded by trees so
>>> it fills up with leaves.
>>
>> @I'm sure you can solve the leaf promble. Herons can be kept out of
>> ponds by rigging-up a surrounding length of fishing line
>
> I have dealt with the leaf promble in the past by draining the pond every
> few years and transfering the semi-rotted (not ROTed) mulch to the compost
> bin. But I'm getting a little too mature to be clambering in and out of the
> pond with bucket-loads of gunge[1]. Getting rid of the trees would suit
> SWMBO but they are under a TPO - a neighbour was fined £'owmuch? last year
> for ignoring it. Anyway, they keep the herons away.IIIIIIIII:@
> [1] excavated sheep, I clambered in and out of the hole[5] a couple of
> times yesterday, much to SWMBO's concern. She even braved the mossies to
> come and check that I could get out. I could, but with difficulty.

A net over the pond in the autumn would catch the leaves and they can be
gathered-up and bunged in the composter - easier.

To clean the water, get a bale of barley straw and pump pondwater over
it f'ragesandages, allowing the filtered water to run back into the
pond. A plastic sack makes *that* wbo simple.

> [5] the hole is a well I dug when I was younger and fitter. I sometimes
> have to service the pump that's down there. I won't be able to do that for
> much longer.

The harnser is - oh, sorry, the harnser is up there ^: the answer is to
get a fountain pump, attach it to its cable and a hosepipe, all in a
bundle, and lower the pump into the hole.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Sam Plusnet said:
> On 18-May-22 21:48, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>> On 18-May-22 10:26, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>>> On 17-May-22 11:54, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>>> RustyHinge said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends on the bactrians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Life's too short to drown a camel".
>>>>>
>>>>> So the camels would have you believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given their usual environment, drowning isn't high on their list
>>>>> of worries.
>>>>>
>>>>> (They're bright enough to stay out of wadis.)
>>>>
>>>> What I said. It'd be complicated.
>>>>
>>>> But, thinks - Has anybody ever offered them the chance to swim in
>>>> alcohol ?
>>>
>>> The Saudis? For some obscure religious reasons?
>>
>> "Religious camels" is an even more unlikely concept, Saudi or
>> Bactrian. Especially given that the morality police'd probably chop
>> their hooves off for it. Is that what they've got ? Pads ? _Feet_,
>> ffs.
>>
>> Religiously persecuted refugee camels braving the Channel in search
>> of something alcoholic to swim in, that's what we need. Liven the
>> place up a bit, and confuse the navy. Take that, Patel !
>>
> They have lots of racing camels, & the competition gets pretty fierce
> for the prestige of winning.
[?]
> If you started a rumour that a camel bathed in Beaujolais will gain an
> extra 30 yards on the competition...

Oh, fantastic, something for everybody -

the Nouveau Beaujolais Camel Race and Barbecue Sans Frontieres.

[?] Do they shave them ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Mike Fleming said:
>
> Here's me assuming that RR was making a subtle joke based on the fact
> that alcohol is less dense than water, so the camels would immediately
> sink and drown.

Not if we got them innertubes and flippers.

Fabexry.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
news:Ec-dnVOMH-9n5hr_nZ2dnUU7-bednZ2d@brightview.co.uk:

> Mike Fleming said:
>> On 19/05/2022 09:13, maus wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-18, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>> On 18-May-22 15:29, maus wrote:
>>>>> Can anyone remember the name of the stuff that they add to the
>>>>> grapes in Germany to help fermentation? I have used it here (.ie)
>>>>> as well.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Given the German attitude to what can or cannot go into their beer,
>>>> I can't imagine anything being added, except a little insinglass
>>>> after fermentation is over.
>>>>
>>> Actually, I think that law has been abandoned, I have moved on to
>>> tyskie, which suits my digestion.
>>
>> That's the EU for you. Germany had to allow adulterated beers to be
>> sold there.
>
> I rmember their argument, that German males took so much of their
> nourishment in the form of Beer that adulterating it would lead to
> poisoning. I have no info as to how many Germans drink narsty forrin
> beer, nor how many of them have been poisoned. By poisons other whan
> ethanol, that is ...
>

"Only the dose makes the poison" - Paracelsus

--
Peter
-----

On 2022-05-20, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> In article <XnsAE9D64E549BC4Factura3476@144.76.35.252>, Peter
><myshed@prune.org.uk> on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 08:55:03 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>>Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:jeo4vpFjn84U2@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 19/05/2022 22:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 19-May-22 14:42, Peter wrote:
>>>>>
>>
> I looked in to the possibility. Unfortunately for me I have a Yew (not
> you) tree close by in my garding and a neighbour a London Plane (not
> plain flower) tree adjacent. Apparently Yew appear to be able to get
> their roots into a pond and poison the water. When a Plane loses its
> leaves they do not rot readily and also poison the water.

Back around 1954, I helped kill off a pair of Yew trees (The leaves are
poisonous to cattle) and for many years I could see the trunks as I
drove by, then the man who owned the land knocked the trunks down and
pulled them to his farmyard, where they lay for years (They are hard to
chainsaw because of the fumes that are released as you cut). Last time I
passed the two trunks were still lying there, as hard as ever. Kinda
sad.

I think they once made bows from the outsides.

--
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Human Life will not end with a `Bang', but with a `D'oh'
Romantic Ireland is done and gone, it's with O'Leary in the grave.

Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote in
news:XnsAE9C693323D51Factura3476@144.76.35.252:

> [1]I'm suffering from more literal ankle-biters atm. The gardning is
> full of mossies. SWMBO has instructed me to fill in the garden pond
> (not going to happen).

Thanks for all the advice. The pond now has 5 small goldfish in it, who seem
pleased enough with their new home. I have made it clear that I expect to
see a marked reduction in mossie activity over the next couple of weeks or
so, and may have mentioned golfish-swallowing competitions by way of
encouragement.

The two pumps (top-up and waterfall) are back in service on timers though
the top-up pump is not delivering with its normal force so I might need to
do a back-flush. That can wait until autumn.

--
Peter
-----

On 20/05/2022 16:44, maus wrote:

> Back around 1954, I helped kill off a pair of Yew trees (The leaves are
> poisonous to cattle) and for many years I could see the trunks as I
> drove by, then the man who owned the land knocked the trunks down and
> pulled them to his farmyard, where they lay for years (They are hard to
> chainsaw because of the fumes that are released as you cut).

....but worth a lot of zbarl if they have any bulk to them.

> Last time I
> passed the two trunks were still lying there, as hard as ever. Kinda
> sad.
>
> I think they once made bows from the outsides.

They certainly made bows from yew wood.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 19-May-22 23:14, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> I was pleasantly surprised that Worthington White Shield is still being
> brewed and bottled as a bottle conditioned pale ale. I rather enjoyed it
> in the past. I need to find someone locally who sells it. No success so
> far.

We used to get Worthington E with lunch, when I jbexed at a British
Steel R&D centre.
Theoretical limit was a single half pint per person, but so many people
turned theirs down that...

--
Sam Plusnet

On 20-May-22 1:51, Tone wrote:
> On 20/05/2022 01:25, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 19/05/2022 23:14, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>
>>> It was pretty certain that it went the same way as Grotney's Party
>>> Seven. Gone and not lamented.
>>>
>>> When I looked it up they followed each other into the dustbin of failed
>>> brands.
>>>
>>> https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2014/03/top-10-demised-drinks-
>>> brands/8/
>>>
>>> Half way down the page.
>>>
>>> I was pleasantly surprised that Worthington White Shield is still being
>>> brewed and bottled as a bottle conditioned pale ale. I rather enjoyed it
>>> in the past. I need to find someone locally who sells it. No success so
>>> far.
>>
>> "At the time Scottish Courage said that while Hofmeister sales had
>> plummeted to just 4,000 barrels a year, or just over 1 million pints,
>> sales of its Foster's brand had soared 30%."
>>
>> They were both awful. Foster's still is.
>>
>> There's no mention of Davenports there. Does that mean that Drum
>> bitter and Coldstream lager, the most dreadful pints I've ever had in
>> my life, are being sold somewhere?
>> https://www.davenports.co.uk/pages/keg-cask - looks like they've given
>> up brewing (or producing by some other means) those two dreadful
>> substances.
>
> Years ago went round Shepherd Neame's Brewery in Kent.
>
> Fascinating.
>
> But I spotted a couple of large shiny vats labelled 'Tiger Beer'. I
> pointed this out, and the Neame brother who was showing us around said,
> "Please don't make this public, but if you buy a Tiger Beer in an Indian
> restaurant, it would have been brewed here."
>
> Oops, I just have.

They could have simply changed the labels on the vats - maybe to

"Beware of the Tiger!"

--
Sam Plusnet

On 20-May-22 8:19, Nick Odell wrote:

> At great personal sacrifice I went out of my way to test the
> Telegraph's opinion. There's one I still haven't found in stock, two
> that I'd never drink again but three that are perfectly good enough to
> keep in the kitchen and glug down whilst cooking.

Care to name them? Cheap & decent sounds pretty good to me.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 20-May-22 13:46, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Sam Plusnet said:
>> On 18-May-22 21:48, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>> On 18-May-22 10:26, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>>>> On 17-May-22 11:54, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>>>> RustyHinge said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends on the bactrians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Life's too short to drown a camel".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the camels would have you believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given their usual environment, drowning isn't high on their list
>>>>>> of worries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (They're bright enough to stay out of wadis.)
>>>>>
>>>>> What I said. It'd be complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, thinks - Has anybody ever offered them the chance to swim in
>>>>> alcohol ?
>>>>
>>>> The Saudis? For some obscure religious reasons?
>>>
>>> "Religious camels" is an even more unlikely concept, Saudi or
>>> Bactrian. Especially given that the morality police'd probably chop
>>> their hooves off for it. Is that what they've got ? Pads ? _Feet_,
>>> ffs.
>>>
>>> Religiously persecuted refugee camels braving the Channel in search
>>> of something alcoholic to swim in, that's what we need. Liven the
>>> place up a bit, and confuse the navy. Take that, Patel !
>>>
>> They have lots of racing camels, & the competition gets pretty fierce
>> for the prestige of winning.
> [?]
>> If you started a rumour that a camel bathed in Beaujolais will gain an
>> extra 30 yards on the competition...
>
> Oh, fantastic, something for everybody -
>
> the Nouveau Beaujolais Camel Race and Barbecue Sans Frontieres.
>
>
> [?] Do they shave them ?
>
Only the pretty ones.

--
Sam Plusnet

RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in news:t68per$1kp$1
@dont-email.me:

>
> They certainly made bows from yew wood.
>

Well, you would, wouldn't you

--
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-----

On Fri, 20 May 2022 20:55:16 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 20-May-22 8:19, Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> At great personal sacrifice I went out of my way to test the
>> Telegraph's opinion. There's one I still haven't found in stock, two
>> that I'd never drink again but three that are perfectly good enough to
>> keep in the kitchen and glug down whilst cooking.
>
>Care to name them? Cheap & decent sounds pretty good to me.

<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/five-brilliant-wines-less-5-bottle/>

or to skip the paywall

https://archive.ph/zNQTo

(or you can just turn off javascript and read the whole of the
Telegraph for free)

The ones I've bought again are the Pinot Grigio, the Shiraz and the
Tempranillo. I'm not much of a white wine drinker so possibly the
Lateral wines hold more appeal to others. I'm also in the position
where if I'm caught drinking wines from Chile the reaction is a bit
like a Ukranian caught drinking Russian Vodka.

Nick

On Fri, 20 May 2022 20:25:46 -0000 (UTC)
Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:

> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in news:t68per$1kp$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
> >
> > They certainly made bows from yew wood.
> >
>
> Well, you would, wouldn't you

A wooden U ? I recall Shakespeare complaining about a wooden O.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

In article <t68per$1kp$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 20:16:42 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 20/05/2022 16:44, maus wrote:
>
>> Back around 1954, I helped kill off a pair of Yew trees (The leaves are
>> poisonous to cattle) and for many years I could see the trunks as I
>> drove by, then the man who owned the land knocked the trunks down and
>> pulled them to his farmyard, where they lay for years (They are hard to
>> chainsaw because of the fumes that are released as you cut).
>
>...but worth a lot of zbarl if they have any bulk to them.

I have one outside my front door, I guess about 150 to 200 years old.
That is based on the date of the building of a big house and ornamental
garden. It used to occupy the land that is now occupied by the two
terraces of 9 houses, one of which is mine.

Two horse chestnuts, two hornbeams the yew and a holm oak take up most
of the garden. The two chestnuts and yew are clearly venerable. The two
chestnuts have preservation orders on them, oddly not the yew. I would
be upset if any one took a chain saw to either of them, although for
safety reasons the crown had to be reduced on one of the chestnuts.
>
>> Last time I
>> passed the two trunks were still lying there, as hard as ever. Kinda
>> sad.
>>
>> I think they once made bows from the outsides.
>
>They certainly made bows from yew wood.
>

--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 2022-05-20, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> In article <t68per$1kp$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
> girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 20:16:42 awoke Nicholas from his
> slumbers and wrote
>>On 20/05/2022 16:44, maus wrote:
>>
>>
>
>>They certainly made bows from yew wood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxus_baccata

Like most things about pre-christian religion, the data has been changed
to forms that made the post-christian beliefs the endpoint of revelation
in history. Its hard to understand why yew trees were so important back
then.

--
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Human Life will not end with a `Bang', but with a `D'oh'
Romantic Ireland is done and gone, it's with O'Leary in the grave.

On 20/05/2022 16:44, maus wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>> In article <XnsAE9D64E549BC4Factura3476@144.76.35.252>, Peter
>> <myshed@prune.org.uk> on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 08:55:03 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:jeo4vpFjn84U2@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> On 19/05/2022 22:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 19-May-22 14:42, Peter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>
>> I looked in to the possibility. Unfortunately for me I have a Yew (not
>> you) tree close by in my garding and a neighbour a London Plane (not
>> plain flower) tree adjacent. Apparently Yew appear to be able to get
>> their roots into a pond and poison the water. When a Plane loses its
>> leaves they do not rot readily and also poison the water.
>
> Back around 1954, I helped kill off a pair of Yew trees (The leaves are
> poisonous to cattle) and for many years I could see the trunks as I
> drove by, then the man who owned the land knocked the trunks down and
> pulled them to his farmyard, where they lay for years (They are hard to
> chainsaw because of the fumes that are released as you cut). Last time I
> passed the two trunks were still lying there, as hard as ever. Kinda
> sad.
>
> I think they once made bows from the outsides.

My parents' home was Yew Tree Farm, so named because of the yew trees at
the front: https://goo.gl/maps/Vva38bYg5efJgwtq9

We sold it after they died, and the new owners have kept the name but
not the yew trees: https://goo.gl/maps/SFcZ63dZquJSpcCg6

On 20/05/2022 12:16, Peter wrote:
>
> [5] the hole is a well I dug when I was younger and fitter. I sometimes
> have to service the pump that's down there. I won't be able to do that for
> much longer.

Could you move the pump from down there to up here, with a pipe leading
to down there to maintain contact with the water?

On 20/05/2022 06:08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 01:18:29 +0100
> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 19/05/2022 20:06, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <t6622k$ara$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>>> girolle.co.uk> on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 19:25:23 awoke Nicholas from his
>>> slumbers and wrote
>>>> Hirondelle is Serapu 4 the 'swallow' (brid)
>>>>
>>> If you drank from the bottle you would know that, it had a Hirondelle,
>>> in flight, on the label.
>>
>> Bill Clinton should be sent a bottle.
>>
>> Apparently, at the G8 summit in Birmingham last millennium, he was going
>> to be put up at the Swallow Hotel ...
>
> ... in the Lewinski suite.

There is an apocryphal story that prior to the G8, there had been some
scouting around and a hair salon called Monica's was espied on the
Coventry Road. The owner was given much money to rename it, and unveiled
the new name to coincide with the G8 - Lewinski's.

On 20/05/2022 10:26, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <t67ilb$mm8$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
> girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 09:14:35 awoke Nicholas from his
> slumbers and wrote
>> On 19/05/2022 23:14, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>
>>> I was pleasantly surprised that Worthington White Shield is still being
>>> brewed and bottled as a bottle conditioned pale ale. I rather enjoyed it
>>> in the past. I need to find someone locally who sells it. No success so
>>> far.
>>
>>
>> We used to use the dregs to start arj fermentations in homebrewing exploits.
>>
>> If you are anywhere near an East of England Co-Op, try there - they seem
>> to have very well-informed incohol buyers.
>>
> Unfortunately Essex is a long way to go, from Sarf Lonnon, with no car,
> just for a bottle of beer.
>
> It can be delivered, £48 for 24 half litre bockles plus delivery. Or £96
> for 48 bottles free delivery. But where to keep 48 bottles, and have my
> doubts as to whether I could lift 48 half litre bottles.

You only have to lift them one at a time.

On 20/05/2022 12:51, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Nick Odell said:
>>
>> How cheap is dirt cheap?
>>
>> The Daily Telegraph recently recommended six wines from Tesco, each
>> under a fiver and each worth drinking - they said. At under a fiver
>> and given ttansport, bottling, profits and the unique way the UK
>> government taxes the stuff, that's leaving about 25p for the cost of
>> the wine itself.
>>
>> At great personal sacrifice I went out of my way to test the
>> Telegraph's opinion. There's one I still haven't found in stock, two
>> that I'd never drink again but three that are perfectly good enough to
>> keep in the kitchen and glug down whilst cooking. Maybe even add a
>> little of it to the occasional sauce?
>
> Not having either a highly-trained stunt palate nor a massive
> entertainment budget, insanesbury's £5-a-bottle house brands work for
> me.

We like Black Tower, also at about a fiver a bockle.