Roderick Stewart wrote:

>Presenters of live shows usually have discreet earphones fed with
>gallery talkback, which will be a cacophony of everything that is
>going on in the gallery, typically dominated by the director screaming
>and swearing at everyone and the PA calmly calling out shot numbers
>and camera numbers, while the Technical Manager may also be on the
>phone to somebody in the background. To present a live show properly
>in these circumstances it's necessary to be a professional who can
>cope with all this audible panic while appearing outwardly calm,
>confident, knowledgeable and in charge, and to be able to ad-lib and
>improvise with a smile at a moment's notice if there is a sudden
>change of plan or something fails to work. This requires a special set
>of qualities and skills possessed by very few. It looks like magic
>when it works, and can quickly descend into chaos when it doesn't.

I had an interesting visit to BBC Nottingham studios some years
ago, during which they had things set up so that we could
appreciate, from a nearby conference room, how things would be in
the gallery as the local evening news was transmitted.

A couple of digital projectors were arranged with split screens
so that we could see the feeds from studio cameras, satellite
van, autocue, VT, and hear the talkback. It was certainly
interesting. You only realise how tricky it is when you see it
done badly.

Somewhere on line I have seen a broadcast with talkback included,
where the gallery are going absolutely frantic, but I have sadly
no idea where I found it.

Chris
--
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chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

On 15/06/2021 14:47, MrSpook_e6@hrul8v5kq.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:41:50 +0100
> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>> On 15/06/2021 08:36, MrSpook_c607@w4851tef.gov wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:15:06 +0100
>>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Looking again critically at the pictures of my HD satellite recordings of
>>>> Welcome to GB News and Tonight Live with Dan Wootton, I'm wondering whether
>>>
>>> I do wonder how the target audience of GBNews will take to a slightly camp
>>> kiwi.
>>>
>>>
>> So you equate a preference for news that isn't slanted to the left with
>> homophobia and xenophobia?
>
> You don't have to be homophobic to be turned off by some guy mincing about
> and with an accent that could break glass. Plus he's crap - I listened to him
> occasionally on talkRadio and he couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper
> bag. He should have stuck to showbiz reporting.
>
>
You are avoiding my question.

Bill

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:39:52 +0100
williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>On 15/06/2021 14:47, MrSpook_e6@hrul8v5kq.co.uk wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:41:50 +0100
>> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>>> On 15/06/2021 08:36, MrSpook_c607@w4851tef.gov wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:15:06 +0100
>>>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Looking again critically at the pictures of my HD satellite recordings of
>>>>> Welcome to GB News and Tonight Live with Dan Wootton, I'm wondering
>whether
>>>>
>>>> I do wonder how the target audience of GBNews will take to a slightly camp
>>>> kiwi.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So you equate a preference for news that isn't slanted to the left with
>>> homophobia and xenophobia?
>>
>> You don't have to be homophobic to be turned off by some guy mincing about
>> and with an accent that could break glass. Plus he's crap - I listened to him
>
>> occasionally on talkRadio and he couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper
>> bag. He should have stuck to showbiz reporting.
>>
>>
>You are avoiding my question.

The answer is no.

"Chris J Dixon" <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote in message
news:9kbhcg5r4pf7fnvqcke0sj3islkn78js15@4ax.com...
> I had an interesting visit to BBC Nottingham studios some years
> ago, during which they had things set up so that we could
> appreciate, from a nearby conference room, how things would be in
> the gallery as the local evening news was transmitted.
>
> A couple of digital projectors were arranged with split screens
> so that we could see the feeds from studio cameras, satellite
> van, autocue, VT, and hear the talkback. It was certainly
> interesting. You only realise how tricky it is when you see it
> done badly.
>
> Somewhere on line I have seen a broadcast with talkback included,
> where the gallery are going absolutely frantic, but I have sadly
> no idea where I found it.

The National Museum of Photography, Film and Television in Bradford used to
have an excellent exhibit until about 10 years ago: a mockup of the ITV
Calendar news studio, with the various studio cameras feeds, the OB, VT and
film feeds and the gallery talkback channel. They used all the material they
had of the famous Summit Tunnel fire of 20 December 1984 when a train
carrying tankers of petrol, travelling on the line under the Pennines
between Manchester and Todmorden, caught fire: I remember it happening and
the news footage was horrendous: huge fireballs coming out of all the tunnel
air shafts.

It was very instructive to hear how programme was managed. I think there was
late-breaking footage arriving during the programme so the running order was
constantly changing.

Sadly it was all taken away and replaced by a static exhibit that was much
less interesting - but probably had more buttons for the kiddies to press.

On Tue 15/06/2021 18:29, NY wrote:
> "Chris J Dixon" <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:9kbhcg5r4pf7fnvqcke0sj3islkn78js15@4ax.com...
>> I had an interesting visit to BBC Nottingham studios some years
>> ago, during which they had things set up so that we could
>> appreciate, from a nearby conference room, how things would be in
>> the gallery as the local evening news was transmitted.
>>
>> A couple of digital projectors were arranged with split screens
>> so that we could see the feeds from studio cameras, satellite
>> van, autocue, VT, and hear the talkback. It was certainly
>> interesting. You only realise how tricky it is when you see it
>> done badly.
>>
>> Somewhere on line I have seen a broadcast with talkback included,
>> where the gallery are going absolutely frantic, but I have sadly
>> no idea where I found it.
>
> The National Museum of Photography, Film and Television in Bradford used to
> have an excellent exhibit until about 10 years ago: a mockup of the ITV
> Calendar news studio, with the various studio cameras feeds, the OB, VT and
> film feeds and the gallery talkback channel. They used all the material
> they
> had of the famous Summit Tunnel fire of 20 December 1984 when a train
> carrying tankers of petrol, travelling on the line under the Pennines
> between Manchester and Todmorden, caught fire: I remember it happening and
> the news footage was horrendous: huge fireballs coming out of all the
> tunnel
> air shafts.
>
> It was very instructive to hear how programme was managed. I think there
> was
> late-breaking footage arriving during the programme so the running order
> was
> constantly changing.
>
> Sadly it was all taken away and replaced by a static exhibit that was much
> less interesting - but probably had more buttons for the kiddies to press.

For the record, now the National Science and Media Museum, part of the
Science Museum group.

On 15/06/2021 14:50, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Somewhere on line I have seen a broadcast with talkback included,
> where the gallery are going absolutely frantic, but I have sadly
> no idea where I found it.

Many years ago, one of the old BBC sports programmes (Grandstand?) ran a
recording of one of the experienced presenters with what he was hearing
in his earpiece at the time.

"Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:saar2c$6a4$1@dont-email.me...
> On Tue 15/06/2021 18:29, NY wrote:
>> The National Museum of Photography, Film and Television in Bradford

> For the record, now the National Science and Media Museum, part of the
> Science Museum group.

Thanks. I knew the name had changed to a slightly less unwieldy one, but I
couldn't be arsed to look it up.

The NSMM is a classic example of a museum which started out great (the
Calendar studio and the Tim Hunkin "Secret Life of Machines"-type
explanations of how TV works stood out for me) but then went downhill as it
tried to cater too much for children and not additionally for adults. By all
means explain concepts in a way that will interest and inform children, but
also have some "meat" (technical detail) for the adults. They could have
demos of how VTRs worked (quad and helical scan) because that is pretty
mind-boggling and comparisons of TV cameras (eg image orthicon with its
black halos around bright objects and vice versa; vidicon smear;
plumbicon/saticon lag/comet tailing - gradually getting better with later
technology; CCD/CMOS - fairly bullet-proof but less tolerant of
overexposure, especially of one colour channel only). Maybe even comparison
of 16 film camera and developing tank versus 1980s ENG camera (with backpack
VTR) versus modern camcorder with built-in solid-state data storage to show
how size has reduced.

But more and more space seems to be taken up with art-gallery pop-up
exhibitions. What exhibits are left get spoiled by unsupervised/unruly
children barging everyone else out of the way. I waited patiently to get my
hands on a studio TV camera (almost certainly a mock-up and not the genuine
tube or solid-state sensor) to try my hand at panning/tilting/zooming at the
same time, so an object appears to grow out of the corner of a frame -
impressive when it's done by someone competent (ie not me!). And I'd been
doing it for about a minute when a kid tried to shoulder-barge me out of the
way, saying "it's my turn now". Fortunately an adult (his mum?) gave him a
good stern 10-on-the-Richter-Scale bollocking ;-) When I'd had my "play", I
caught the woman's eye and mouthed "thanks" and beckoned the lad over. I
noticed that he spent about 30 seconds wrenching the camera to the full
extent of its mountings side/side and up/down, zoomed in and out and then
said "This is BORING". Now if there hadn't be the adult present, I'd have
been in danger of being bullied by a dog-in-the-manger, and if he'd thrown a
tantrum, I could have been made to take the blame.

Maybe more "interpreter" staff are needed to explain to children (and maybe
some adults) the significance of the exhibits.

It was about 2012 when I last went, I think, so things may well have changed
since then. For the better?

No listen to the output from the Brighton radio Sussex studio at certain
times, you can hear somebody doing the levels in the middle of interviews
and songs. It sounds almost as if there is no pre show set up of master
levels from the channels and they are using each individual fader as the
only means to balance the output, that is ridiculous when even el cheapo
home mixers have controls to pre set the channels level so right up is
right up and all that. Most these days even have nice sounding limiters as
well, unlike the old level devil by Alice we use at our tn, which distorts
terrible for a split second when a loud noise comes along.
The adverts on most tv stations seem to be mega compressed so even though
the peaks are exactly the same, the perceived levels are higher.
Brian

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"Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 15/06/2021 10:01, Davey wrote:
>>
>> I was watching on Freeview at about 9:20 this morning, and had the
>> sound at a comfortable level, low enough to not wake 'er asleep in the
>> room above. Then they switched to adverts, and I was blasted back in my
>> chair, and just managed to lower the volume to a reasonable level
>> before she woke up. Then when the programme came back on, I could hardly
>> hear a thing.
>
> The Naked Scientists on BBC Radio Cambridgeshire has started doing that
> with their f*king loud jingles, so I've decided to stop listening to it.
> Most of it is repeated, with less extreme abuse of its audience, on 5 Live
> Science anyway.
>
> WTF can't these people manage such a simple thing as to have a consistent
> audio level throughout a single broadcast?
>
> --
>
> Fake news kills!
>
> I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
> www.macfh.co.uk

Jeff Gaines wrote:

> lip sync problems

audio gremlins gone today?

"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
news:iiu77oFotjaU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>> lip sync problems
>
> audio gremlins gone today?

What do you think? Of course they haven't :-(

Just watched the programme that's going out now and one of the reporters
seems to be connected by low bandwidth mobile internet, so the picture is
breaking up into macro blocks and has horrendous sync problems. Now some of
that may be the poor way the reporter is communicating with the studio, but
even the presenters have some sync problem.

This one will run and run: until they get their equipment supplier and
commissioner back in to sort it out properly.

I'm amazed that this problem wasn't sorted out in the pre-launch acceptance
testing, unless it only became apparent when they started broadcasting. The
fact that the amount of lag seems to vary from camera to camera within the
studio suggests that it is internal and is *not* a broadcasting artefact.

I wonder if us techies will ever get to hear what the problem is caused by.

On 11:01 15 Jun 2021, TonyGamble said:

> "From what I can gather from various sources, the technical set up
> is woefully inadequate for what they are trying to do. In fact it
> would be inadequate for a simple shopping channel............."

It's is worse than that: GB News's technical quality is inadequate for a
teenager's video blog.

Audio sync, less than SD picture quality, studio background the same
colour as presenter's clothing, etc. Several presenters were poorly
prepared.

Quite amazing considering the time they had to get it right.

On 09:31 14 Jun 2021, John Armstrong said:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:24:57 -0700 (PDT), TonyGamble
> <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>>Watched 6.00 to 6.10 this morning out of curiosity.
>>
>>Sound balance problems as they cut from studio to ob or vtr.
>>
>>Image sharper without the Andrew Neil image dominating.
>>
>>All rather 'jolly'. A bit like that wierd thing on BBC1 that follows
>>the Breakfast prog with all those trainers and sweat shirts to prove
>>they are part of 'the people' and all the potted palms.
>>
>>It can't be easy to start a news channel but I wonder where they
>>poached their staff from - or did they use the pool of ones without
>>jobs?
>>
>
> I read through this thread, and switched on at 9.15 am "out of
> curiosity" too. I'm watching on Virgin 626, allegedly HD.
>
> Lip sync problems still apparent in the studio, though not from the
> "guests" around the country. The shot from Durham started off with a
> dreadful echo on sound, which they cleared after a few seconds.
>
> One of the commercials a few minutes ago was advertising "How to buy
> gold bullion". Not something I'm ever likely to do. I wonder what
> their target audience is.
>
> Switched off about 9.28. Seems a fair trial! :-)

GB News spoilt its launch, at the time curious viewers tuned in. What a
cock up.

On 11:23 14 Jun 2021, said:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 02:56:40 -0700 (PDT)
> TonyGamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>"A lot of the presenters and back office staff were poached from
>>Wireless Group"
>>
>>According to their web site they supply radio material.
>>
>>That explains the problem of working on television then.
>
> Radio and TV presenters are pretty interchangable these days and
> have been for quite a while.
>

They don't always fare equally well. Victoria Derbyshire was excellent on
radio but never seems comfortable on tv even after many years.

On 18:29 14 Jun 2021, Andy Burns said:

> Brian Gregory wrote:
>
>> they had the wrong microphone faded up and while you couldn't hear
>> NO being interviewed you could clearly hear a woman whisper
>> something like "yes, well I don't know, no"
>
> I've heard faint talkback speech in the background several times.
> They seem to know there's horrid echo on the outside contributions,
> because when the interviewee is speaking they fade over to a
> different audi which sounds clean, then they switch back to the
> echoey version when the interviewer/interviewee are speaking to each
> other.

Surely they had endless rehearsals where most of this could have been
ironed out.

On 16:15 14 Jun 2021, NY said:

> "JNugent" <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:iioql1FndbhU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 13/06/2021 09:49 pm, NY wrote:
>>> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:xn0mz3ki22s67ed007@news.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years
>>>> with lip sync problems, anybody else seeing this?
>>>
>>> Yes, terrible sync problems. I'm glad it's not just me. I'm
>>> watching a recording of the HD feed on satellite. I don't know
>>> what the effect is on SD on terrestrial. It was bad with Andrew
>>> Neil's introduction and for the time when the reporters (north
>>> east, Northern Ireland, south east) introduced themselves - though
>>> the Birmingham reporter was bang in sync. I presume those
>>> introductions were recorded rather than live.
>>
>> Although Andrew Neil was eventually shown (by a reflection in a
>> glass panel) to be in the studio with several other presenters, at
>> first, due to the fuzzy nature of his image on-screen, I thought he
>> was at home, phoning it in on Facetime.
>
>
> Looking again critically at the pictures of my HD satellite
> recordings of Welcome to GB News and Tonight Live with Dan Wootton,
> I'm wondering whether the studio cameras were either SD upscaled to
> HD or lower bitrate, or both. There were a few reflections off
> chromium objects which looked to have jagged edges that were too
> coarse to be HD. And the pictures of adverts, graphics and some of
> the recorded or remote insert reports looked sharper than the studio
> shots.
>
> Look at
> https://i.postimg.cc/50SGbJpx/vlcsnap-2021-06-14-16h10m41s205.png.
> Look in particular at the reflections from the curved stand that is
> holding the globe in the top left of the screen - very coarse jagged
> edge. And is it my imagination or is the background (eg the plant to
> the right of the woman) a bit sharper than the woman herself (I
> chose a frame where she wasn't moving) - did the camera focus
> somewhere in between the two instead of on the woman?

Live quality is so poor on Freeview, it's almost as if they're not
using full SD.

This smacks of excessive cost-cutting but Widipedia says GB News got
all the pre-launch funding (�60 million) it was looking for.

On 16/06/2021 12:06, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> No listen to the output from the Brighton radio Sussex studio at certain
> times, you can hear somebody doing the levels in the middle of interviews
> and songs.

It used to be funny running the automatic "squeak" during programme. We
would have permission to do so but had to tell them when we were going
to do it,

Some of the presenters were quite funny warning listeners to expect
strange noises (obviously no idea themselves what it was!).

On 16:22 14 Jun 2021, NY said:

> "JNugent" <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:iioql1FndbhU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 13/06/2021 09:49 pm, NY wrote:
>>> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:xn0mz3ki22s67ed007@news.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years
>>>> with lip sync problems, anybody else seeing this?
>>>
>>> Yes, terrible sync problems. I'm glad it's not just me. I'm
>>> watching a recording of the HD feed on satellite. I don't know
>>> what the effect is on SD on terrestrial. It was bad with Andrew
>>> Neil's introduction and for the time when the reporters (north
>>> east, Northern Ireland, south east) introduced themselves - though
>>> the Birmingham reporter was bang in sync. I presume those
>>> introductions were recorded rather than live.
>>
>> Although Andrew Neil was eventually shown (by a reflection in a
>> glass panel) to be in the studio with several other presenters, at
>> first, due to the fuzzy nature of his image on-screen, I thought he
>> was at home, phoning it in on Facetime.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/3x2zn2p4/vlcsnap-2021-06-14-16h17m36s334.png
> shows he was in the same studio as Neil Oliver - unless it is a very
> clever composite shot ;-)
>
> Look at those *horrible* jagged edges on the chromium arms of Neil
> Oliver's chair.
>
> And look at this picture of Andrew Neil
> https://i.postimg.cc/Dy9trxW3/vlcsnap-2021-06-14-16h18m13s855.png -
> no way is that a high quality HD picture ;-) Pin-sharp graphics,
> web-cam quality camera ;-)

The studio looks so bad that it could be someone's garage.

NY wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> audio gremlins gone today?
>
> What do you think? Of course they haven't :-(

haven't noticed any echo on external contributions, lip-sync within the
studio seems ok, the presenter in brum seems to be bandwidth starved -
cars moving behind her creep for a bit, then zoom for a bit, rinse and
repeat, and the top scanline on her camera is "twittering"

"Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:XnsAD4B9B09766CC37B93@144.76.35.252...

> Live quality is so poor on Freeview, it's almost as if they're not
> using full SD.

They're not. I'd been watching on satellite (where their channel is
1920x1080 HD *) and when I happened to look at terrestrial I noticed that
they are sub-SD: 544x576 rather than 720x576. So they are like Drama,
Yesterday, Talking Pictures - lower res than normal SD.

(*) Though only the captions and the adverts are really HD. The studio
cameras look a lot softer than HD, so I wonder whether they are SD upscaled
to HD. The jagged edges on highlights (eg reflections of the chrome arms of
their naff studio furniture) look even more coarse than you'd expect of the
576 lines in SD.

On 16/06/2021 13:33, NY wrote:
> "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
> news:iiu77oFotjaU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>>> lip sync problems
>>
>> audio gremlins gone today?
>
> What do you think? Of course they haven't :-(
>
> Just watched the programme that's going out now and one of the reporters
> seems to be connected by low bandwidth mobile internet, so the picture
> is breaking up into macro blocks and has horrendous sync problems. Now
> some of that may be the poor way the reporter is communicating with the
> studio, but even the presenters have some sync problem.
>
> This one will run and run: until they get their equipment supplier and
> commissioner back in to sort it out properly.
>
> I'm amazed that this problem wasn't sorted out in the pre-launch
> acceptance testing, unless it only became apparent when they started
> broadcasting. The fact that the amount of lag seems to vary from camera
> to camera within the studio suggests that it is internal and is *not* a
> broadcasting artefact.
>
> I wonder if us techies will ever get to hear what the problem is caused by.

As a non-techie I'm interested in why the sync can be different on
Freeview (where awful) from online(where OK)? And whether the reason is
necessarily within GB News kit rather than within Red Bee's services?

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"Robin" <rbw@outlook.com> wrote in message
news:30cd4099-6b01-d120-cb67-cfa3b44b13b4@outlook.com...
> On 16/06/2021 13:33, NY wrote:
>> "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
>> news:iiu77oFotjaU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>
>>>> lip sync problems
>>>
>>> audio gremlins gone today?
>>
>> What do you think? Of course they haven't :-(
>>
>> Just watched the programme that's going out now and one of the reporters
>> seems to be connected by low bandwidth mobile internet, so the picture is
>> breaking up into macro blocks and has horrendous sync problems. Now some
>> of that may be the poor way the reporter is communicating with the
>> studio, but even the presenters have some sync problem.
>>
>> This one will run and run: until they get their equipment supplier and
>> commissioner back in to sort it out properly.
>>
>> I'm amazed that this problem wasn't sorted out in the pre-launch
>> acceptance testing, unless it only became apparent when they started
>> broadcasting. The fact that the amount of lag seems to vary from camera
>> to camera within the studio suggests that it is internal and is *not* a
>> broadcasting artefact.
>>
>> I wonder if us techies will ever get to hear what the problem is caused
>> by.
>
> As a non-techie I'm interested in why the sync can be different on
> Freeview (where awful) from online(where OK)? And whether the reason is
> necessarily within GB News kit rather than within Red Bee's services?

Over the past few days I've seen good and bad sync with satellite,
terrestrial and online, sometimes between one camera and another within the
same interview. There seems to be a trend that each new programme (or even
segment within the same programme) starts bad and gradually gets better.
That sounds as if it's originating within the studio, rather than after it's
left the studio and gone to the satellite, terrestrial or online broadcast
equipment.

Changing the subject completely, why is the channel called "GB News" when
most of their output is opinion and comment, and they have very little
news-bulletin coverage? Or aren't I supposed to ask that question?

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "Robin" <rbw@outlook.com> wrote in message
> news:30cd4099-6b01-d120-cb67-cfa3b44b13b4@outlook.com...
>> On 16/06/2021 13:33, NY wrote:
>>> "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:iiu77oFotjaU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> lip sync problems
>>>>
>>>> audio gremlins gone today?
>>>
>>> What do you think? Of course they haven't :-(
>>>
>>> Just watched the programme that's going out now and one of the reporters
>>> seems to be connected by low bandwidth mobile internet, so the picture is
>>> breaking up into macro blocks and has horrendous sync problems. Now some
>>> of that may be the poor way the reporter is communicating with the
>>> studio, but even the presenters have some sync problem.
>>>
>>> This one will run and run: until they get their equipment supplier and
>>> commissioner back in to sort it out properly.
>>>
>>> I'm amazed that this problem wasn't sorted out in the pre-launch
>>> acceptance testing, unless it only became apparent when they started
>>> broadcasting. The fact that the amount of lag seems to vary from camera
>>> to camera within the studio suggests that it is internal and is *not* a
>>> broadcasting artefact.
>>>
>>> I wonder if us techies will ever get to hear what the problem is caused
>>> by.
>>
>> As a non-techie I'm interested in why the sync can be different on
>> Freeview (where awful) from online(where OK)? And whether the reason is
>> necessarily within GB News kit rather than within Red Bee's services?
>
> Over the past few days I've seen good and bad sync with satellite,
> terrestrial and online, sometimes between one camera and another within the
> same interview. There seems to be a trend that each new programme (or even
> segment within the same programme) starts bad and gradually gets better.
> That sounds as if it's originating within the studio, rather than after it's
> left the studio and gone to the satellite, terrestrial or online broadcast
> equipment.
>
>
> Changing the subject completely, why is the channel called "GB News" when
> most of their output is opinion and comment, and they have very little
> news-bulletin coverage? Or aren't I supposed to ask that question?
>
>

News, comment? Prompted by this group I tried to watch it this afternoon
from around 1630 to 1715. It was utterly cringeworthy. It was more akin to
a Victoria Wood parody. At one point it went to a whole segment that was a
webcam interview with an owner of a motor home rental company who was
having a bumper summer (surprise surprise). It was introduced as being
pulled forwards from the “good news” segment because it was so important. I
was hoping that the 1630 to 1700 segment was filler and it would turn into
something sensible at 1700, but it didn’t. There wasn’t enough content to
even judge if it was the alleged right wing antidote to the BBC. Made my
BBC local news TV programme look the pinnacle of intellectual output, and
I’d always considered that to be lightweight.

On 16/06/2021 18:37, NY wrote:
> Changing the subject completely, why is the channel called "GB News" when
> most of their output is opinion and comment, and they have very little
> news-bulletin coverage? Or aren't I supposed to ask that question?

The big test will be when a major news story breaks in the UK. Will
they be able to cover it or will it be talking heads in the studio?

In article <sadeoa$os0$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 16/06/2021 18:37, NY wrote:
> > Changing the subject completely, why is the channel called "GB News"
> > when most of their output is opinion and comment, and they have very
> > little news-bulletin coverage? Or aren't I supposed to ask that
> > question?

> The big test will be when a major news story breaks in the UK. Will
> they be able to cover it or will it be talking heads in the studio?

Shades of my visiting the Oracle "newsroom" in the early days. There was a
set showing Ceefax and the editor dictated to his secretary a different
version of the same story.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 16/06/2021 20:13, charles wrote:
> Shades of my visiting the Oracle "newsroom" in the early days. There was a
> set showing Ceefax and the editor dictated to his secretary a different
> version of the same story.

A bit like Twitter with lots of people running one-man news services
with very grandiose names but repeating the same stuff as everyone else.