On 6/07/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>> owners
>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>
>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>
>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>
>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>
>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>
>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>
>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>
> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
> 7, 8, 8.1 also.

Vista and 2000 were never popular

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 7/7/21 12:23 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/07/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>
>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>
>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
>> 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>
>
> Vista and 2000 were never popular
>
>
Windows 2000 was based on NT and saw use in the *professional* arena.
Windows ME, it's *home use* counterpart, was based on DOS. Windows ME
and 2000 were stop gap until XP (also based on NT) was released in 2001.
XP came in two flavours to cover the professional and home markets.
Windows 2000 was never meant to be popular. Vista was a crock of shit.
Speaking of that, I seem to recall having a sealed and unused copy of
Vista OEM around here. Must have a look.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> > On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
> >> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> >>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
[...]
> >>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
> >>>
> >>> Bullshit.
> >>>
> >>>> been downgraded ever since.
> >>>
> >>> Bullshit.
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >>  XP or 95 for me.
> >>
> >
> > 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
> >
> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
> 7, 8, 8.1 also.

Vista forever! :-)

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 6/07/2021 8:55 pm, jonz wrote:
> > On 7/6/2021 3:58 PM, keithr0 wrote:
> >> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
> >>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> >>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
[...]
> >>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>
> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>
> >>>>  XP or 95 for me.
> >>>
> >>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
> >>>
> >> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
> >> 7, 8, 8.1 also.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >  8 *and* 8.1 didn`t last long here. :(.....
> >
> My wife still uses it.

The wife and I both use 8.1. Won't go to 10 untill 8.1 support (read:
security fixes) ends. Too much hassle, too little control, no advantages
(at least not for me).

Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 6/07/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> > On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
> >>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> >>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
[...]
> >>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
> >>>>
> >>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>
> >>>>> been downgraded ever since.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bullshit.
> >>>
> >>>  XP or 95 for me.
> >>
> >> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
> >>
> > 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
> > 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>
> Vista and 2000 were never popular

Not popular - as in used by a lot of people -, but 2000 was quite good
and Vista was not bad, once you had beaten it into submission.

On 7/7/2021 1:29 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 6/07/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
> [...]
>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>>
>>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
>>> 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>> Vista and 2000 were never popular
> Not popular - as in used by a lot of people -, but 2000 was quite good
> and Vista was not bad, once you had beaten it into submission.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Yep, *popularity* per se dosen`t matter really, its how it works for
*you*!.

--
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea. Massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." — Gene
Spafford, 1992

On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC owners
>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>
>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>
> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>

Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably the
best, Win 7 next.

On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>> owners
>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>
>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>
>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>
>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>
>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>
>> No they didn't with 10.
>>
>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>
>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>
>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  XP or 95 for me.
>
>

95 was way too unstable. 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great.
The rest... meh.

On 6/07/2021 1:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>> owners
>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>
>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>
>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>
>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>
>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>
>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>
>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>
> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
> 7, 8, 8.1 also.

Nonsense. I have seen no reasons to "upgrade" from Win 7 yet.

On 6/07/2021 7:42 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/07/2021 9:22 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 9:50 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 2:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:15 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want the features, you need the hardware to run it on. No
>>>>>> different to Apple or even Linux.
>>>>> but computer gurus are telling us it runs fine on lower spec computers
>>>>> than M$ is mandating for it.
>>>> Well supposably to install it requires at least a TPM 2.0 security
>>>> module, and UEFI BIOS, which eliminates some systems that might
>>>> meet the basic CPU/RAM requirements.
>>> the biggest issue as I understand it is that M$ has set a cut off level
>>> for processor types. it even includes computers still currently on sale.
>>> did you watch the video?
>> I don't usually watch videos posted here, but I've read articles
>> that mentioned the CPU limitations and the comments there proposed
>> that they might be more like suggestions than a flat-out "won't
>> install unless CPU = blah blah blah". But some systems apparantly
>> can't have their TPM 1.0 (or none at all) upgraded to TPM 2.0 using
>> an add-on module (most laptops included, I'm guessing), which I
>> expect indirectly places a hard limit on the CPUs that will run
>> Win11.
>>
>>>> In other news, here's a floppy disk image for booting a current
>>>> version of Linux on PCs with a 486 and up:
>>>> https://pappp.net/?p=45560
>>>>
>>>> The download link is actually a little wrong, this works:
>>>> https://pappp.net/misc/floppinux_i486.img
>>>>
>>> what prog burns a *.img file to a floppy?
>> I did "sudo dd if=floppinux_i486.img of=/dev/fd0" on Linux
>> (DON'T get the "of=/dev/fd0" bit wrong). I knew of various
>> programs for Windows when I used that regularly. RawWrite comes
>> to mind, but that seems to have been MS-DOS. Anyway, searching
>> for RawWrite brings up tons of equivalent programs for (probably
>> old versions of) Windows.
>>
>> Boots this Pentium 1 - not tried on a 486 yet.
>>
>> This might be a little more interesting if you're not used to the
>> Linux command-line, the fix for it not working on pre-i686 CPUs has
>> apparantly been applied:
>> https://bits.p1x.in/floppinux-0-2-2/
>>
>
> I'll check it out. but I don't really have a need for a linux boot
> floppy. for booting stuffed PC's i use hiren on a USB stick
>
> https://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/
>

Yes there are plenty of much more useful bootable images that don't
avoid having to suffer Linux but if you want to try it WinImage can
write most images.

On 7/07/2021 1:19 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 6/07/2021 8:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2021 3:58 PM, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
> [...]
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>>>
>>>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
>>>> 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>  8 *and* 8.1 didn`t last long here. :(.....
>>>
>> My wife still uses it.
> The wife and I both use 8.1. Won't go to 10 untill 8.1 support (read:
> security fixes) ends. Too much hassle, too little control, no advantages
> (at least not for me).

support ends in 2023, support for w10 ends 2025, so you'll have two
years to 'enjoy' w10. :)

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 7/07/2021 12:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>> owners
>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>
>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>
>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>
>
> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably
> the best, Win 7 next.
>
>
>
>

win3.1 was M$'s effort to emulate the Macintosh GUI

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 7/07/2021 12:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>> owners
>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>
>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>
>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>
>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>
>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>
>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>
>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>
>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>
>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   XP or 95 for me.
>>
>>
>
>
> 95 was way too unstable.

yes

> 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great. The rest... meh.

W10 is the best

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC owners
>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>
>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>
> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>

**You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by Windows
2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.

Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....

On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC owners
>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>
>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>
>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>
>
> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by Windows
> 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.

Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>
> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....

OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*. They wanted to wrest
back control of the PC OC market. They failed.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/07/2021 1:19 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 6/07/2021 8:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2021 3:58 PM, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
> [...]
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>>>
>>>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
>>>> 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>  8 *and* 8.1 didn`t last long here. :(.....
>>>
>> My wife still uses it.
>
> The wife and I both use 8.1. Won't go to 10 untill 8.1 support (read:
> security fixes) ends. Too much hassle, too little control, no advantages
> (at least not for me).
>
She just uses it for email and the web, she isn't interested in learning
anything else.

On 7/07/2021 12:23 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/07/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>
>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>
>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
>> 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>
>
> Vista and 2000 were never popular
>
>
Never used Vista but used 2000 for a couple of years - it was OK.

On 7/07/2021 12:06 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/07/2021 1:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>
>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>
>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with XP,
>> 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>
> Nonsense. I have seen no reasons to "upgrade" from Win 7 yet.
>
>
That's your personal situation only.

On 7/07/2021 12:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 12:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>> owners
>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>
>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>
>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>
>>
>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably
>> the best, Win 7 next.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> win3.1 was M$'s effort to emulate the Macintosh GUI
>
No, it was an upgrade to Windows 2.

On 7/07/2021 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC owners
>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>
>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>
>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>
>
> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by Windows
> 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>
> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....

OS/2 was OK I installed it in all the machines in the operation that I
was working in at the time for 2 reasons, it was better at multi-tasking
than Win 3.11, and it was on special at Harvey Norman at $9.50 a copy.
We used it in Windows compatible mode.

On 7/7/21 4:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 12:23 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/07/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>>
>>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with
>>> XP, 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>>
>>
>> Vista and 2000 were never popular
>>
>>
> Never used Vista but used 2000 for a couple of years - it was OK.

We used Win2k at the college for a time. No problems at all, especially
if you had previously used Win NT3.5 or Win NT4.0, as I had.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/7/21 4:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 12:06 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/07/2021 1:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>>
>>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with
>>> XP, 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>>
>> Nonsense. I have seen no reasons to "upgrade" from Win 7 yet.
>>
>>
> That's your personal situation only.

I have both Win 7 and Win10 comps here. Don't use the Win10 much except
t archive my email and the Win7 not at all. The world moves on and so did I.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/7/21 4:23 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>> owners
>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>
>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>
>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>
>>
>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>>
>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>
> OS/2 was OK I installed it in all the machines in the operation that I
> was working in at the time for 2 reasons, it was better at multi-tasking
> than Win 3.11, and it was on special at Harvey Norman at $9.50 a copy.
> We used it in Windows compatible mode.

Sounds like you got it at the price it was worth! ;-)

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
news:sc321m$vl2$3@dont-email.me...
> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC owners
>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>
>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>
>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>
>
> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably the
> best, Win 7 next.

Win 7 leaves XP for dead.

"Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>> owners
>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>
>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>
>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>
>>
>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by Windows
>> 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>
> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>
>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>
> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.

The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
had to replace everything you already had.

> They wanted to wrest back control of the PC OC market. They failed.