On 9/07/2021 10:07 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 10:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 7/07/2021 12:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>   XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 95 was way too unstable.
>>>
>>>
>>> yes
>>>
>>>
>>>> 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great. The rest... meh.
>>>
>>>
>>> W10 is the best
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I hate it.
>>
> Why? Do you have some logical reason to do so?

Software I like to run won't work and I don't like the UI.

That's two sound reasons right there.

On 9/07/2021 11:05 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 2:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/07/2021 12:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP
>>>>> probably the best, Win 7 next.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> win3.1 was M$'s effort to emulate the Macintosh GUI
>>>>
>>> No, it was an upgrade to Windows 2.
>>
>>
>> Windows 3.0 was the upgrade to Windows 2. Followed by 3.1 and WFW3.11.
>>
>> They were all shit.
>
> Win 3 was the first usable version, WFW was quite decent for its day. I
> used it to set up a small network in our office, and used its scripting
> to make a lot of administrative tasks easier and quicker.

WFW was the only really useful one but it was still unstable.

On 9/07/2021 12:20 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
> news:sc87tu$lc8$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 8/07/2021 4:03 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sc321m$vl2$3@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>> owners
>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably
>>>> the best, Win 7 next.
>>>
>>> Win 7 leaves XP for dead.
>>
>> Not in terms of longevity.
>
> Longevity is irrelevant to how well it works.

My definition of best is the length of time people stuck with an OS
whilst newer versions came and went. XP creamed everything else in that
regard. No argument that 7 is better.

On 9/07/2021 2:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 2:27 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more
>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>>>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>
>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>
>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>
> I don't think that you understand, by the professional market I mean
> mainframe and mini markets. That's where IBM have always made the
> majority of their money.

It had bugger all market share and was largely irrelevant outside of
that niche however.

On 5/07/2021 8:24 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:20:20 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC owners
>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>
>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>
>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>
>>
>> I disagree. Best operating system was XP.
>
> Would it run on a 386DX?
>

What? So you expected XP to run on a processor that was released 15
years prior?

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more
>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>>>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>
>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>
>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.

> I don't think that you understand,

Corse I know what that means.

> by the professional market I mean mainframe and mini markets.

Duh.

> That's where IBM have always made the majority of their money.

Still sweet fuck all with OS/2

"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
news:sc92im$nj0$4@dont-email.me...
> On 9/07/2021 12:20 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
>> news:sc87tu$lc8$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 8/07/2021 4:03 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:sc321m$vl2$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably
>>>>> the best, Win 7 next.
>>>>
>>>> Win 7 leaves XP for dead.
>>>
>>> Not in terms of longevity.
>>
>> Longevity is irrelevant to how well it works.
>
> My definition of best is the length of time people stuck with an OS whilst
> newer versions came and went.

More fool you. That is a completely stupid definition of best.

> XP creamed everything else in that regard.

Bullshit it did.

> No argument that 7 is better.

So its stupid to claim that XP is best.

On 9/7/21 1:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 2:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/07/2021 12:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP
>>>>> probably the best, Win 7 next.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> win3.1 was M$'s effort to emulate the Macintosh GUI
>>>>
>>> No, it was an upgrade to Windows 2.
>>
>>
>> Windows 3.0 was the upgrade to Windows 2. Followed by 3.1 and WFW3.11.
>>
>> They were all shit.
>
> Win 3 was the first usable version, WFW was quite decent for its day. I
> used it to set up a small network in our office, and used its scripting
> to make a lot of administrative tasks easier and quicker.

I found WfW3.11 very good - for the era. At least it was a reasonable
attempt at networking. I too used to administer a WfW network back in
the days and it was much easier than the IBM Token Ring network it replaced.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 9/07/2021 6:46 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 10:07 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 7/07/2021 10:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 95 was way too unstable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great. The rest... meh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> W10 is the best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hate it.
>>>
>> Why? Do you have some logical reason to do so?
>
> Software I like to run won't work and I don't like the UI.
>
> That's two sound reasons right there.

Hate is an emotive word, you don't want to use W10, that's not reason to
"Hate" it.

On 9/07/2021 6:47 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 11:05 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 7/07/2021 2:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP
>>>>>> probably the best, Win 7 next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> win3.1 was M$'s effort to emulate the Macintosh GUI
>>>>>
>>>> No, it was an upgrade to Windows 2.
>>>
>>>
>>> Windows 3.0 was the upgrade to Windows 2. Followed by 3.1 and WFW3.11.
>>>
>>> They were all shit.
>>
>> Win 3 was the first usable version, WFW was quite decent for its day.
>> I used it to set up a small network in our office, and used its
>> scripting to make a lot of administrative tasks easier and quicker.
>
> WFW was the only really useful one but it was still unstable.

It was stable enough to run a small organisation on it, that's all I
required.

On 9/07/2021 6:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 2:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 2:27 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to
>>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>>>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more
>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>>>>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>>
>>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>>
>>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>>
>> I don't think that you understand, by the professional market I mean
>> mainframe and mini markets. That's where IBM have always made the
>> majority of their money.
>
> It had bugger all market share and was largely irrelevant outside of
> that niche however.

It isn't a niche, it's where the real work of the computer industry gets
done. Do you really think that big banks and other organisations get
their work done on PCs?

The stuff that you use is just toys.

On 9/07/2021 7:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to
>>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>>>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more
>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>>>>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>>
>>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>>
>>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>
>> I don't think that you understand,
>
> Corse I know what that means.
>
>> by the professional market I mean mainframe and mini markets.
>
> Duh.
>
>> That's where IBM have always made the majority of their money.
>
> Still sweet fuck all with OS/2

You have no idea, OS/2 was used in controllers on the machinery that
make the commercial world work. The PC world is just the periphery of
that and toys for amateurs.

On 9/07/2021 6:46 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 10:07 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 7/07/2021 10:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 95 was way too unstable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great. The rest... meh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> W10 is the best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hate it.
>>>
>> Why? Do you have some logical reason to do so?
>
> Software I like to run won't work and I don't like the UI.
>
> That's two sound reasons right there.

I have four towers connected to one kb and monitor. two run w10, one w7
and XP, and one 98. I switch between them electronically. :)

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to
>>>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>>>>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more
>>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>>>>>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>>>
>>>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>>>
>>>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>>
>>> I don't think that you understand,
>>
>> Corse I know what that means.
>>
>>> by the professional market I mean mainframe and mini markets.
>>
>> Duh.
>>
>>> That's where IBM have always made the majority of their money.
>>
>> Still sweet fuck all with OS/2
>
> You have no idea,

You never had a fucking clue.

> OS/2 was used in controllers on the machinery that make the commercial
> world work.

Fuck all of the commercial world in fact.

> The PC world is just the periphery of that

More mindless bullshit.

> and toys for amateurs.

More mindless bullshit.

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 9:47 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Falscher Bruce <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 12:25:46 PM UTC+8, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> If you want the features, you need the hardware to run it on. No
>>>> different to Apple or even Linux.
>>>
>>> I'm testing software on various linux distros. I have a bunch of
>>> old Sandy/Ivy Bridge PCs that I continually install the latest
>>> versions on, and have no problem. They don't need that TPM2
>>> bullshit
>>
>> Exactly, the problem with keithr0's statement is that the hardware
>> restrictions apply _regardless_ of whether you want the features
>> it offers. Linux gives you the choice, even of going as far back
>> as mid 90s PC hardware - if you want more features _then_ you can
>> choose to upgrade.
>>
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a2VW8T+yYUG1pn1yR-5eU4jJXe1+M_ot6DAvfr2KyXCzQ@mail.gmail.com/

Interesting thread, but you're pointing at them debating the
discontinuation of support for lots of non PC-hardware, much of
which Windows never supported, or only with certain long-dead
versions of Windows CE.

The proposal to consider in the future whether to stop supporting
the i486 received lots of push-back in the replies there, whereas
M$ dropped i486 support with Windows ME:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions#Windows_9x_4

Mind you, you probably could have still used MS-DOS, and you're not
likely to get a current-version GUI booting with Linux on a i486
either. But WinME was also the last release of MS-DOS (version 8.0),
and out of support since 2006.

Overall it's very obvious from looking at these things that M$ are
far worse at forcing hardware upgrades on their users than the
Linux kernel developers, even though Linux runs on many more CPU
architectures in the first place.

Back to the point, Linux isn't adding requirements for other
features besides the CPU architecture and RAM. Windows requiring
TPM 2.0 is a different matter entirely, and not nearly as easily
justified.

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On 9/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 6:46 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 10:07 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2021 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 7/07/2021 10:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 95 was way too unstable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great. The rest... meh.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> W10 is the best
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hate it.
>>>>
>>> Why? Do you have some logical reason to do so?
>>
>> Software I like to run won't work and I don't like the UI.
>>
>> That's two sound reasons right there.
>
>
> I have four towers connected to one kb and monitor. two run w10, one w7
> and XP, and one 98. I switch between them electronically. :)
>

Cool. I have a Win 10 laptop, main PC runs Win 7, and a Win 98 laptop
and tower. The Win 98 laptop runs diagnostic software and workshop
manuals for older cars and the '98 desktop is primarily used to
read/write/archive various floppy disks for emulation use and creating
real floppies for vintage computers like TRS-80 Model I/III, Amstrad and
Microbee etc.

On 9/07/2021 6:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 6:47 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 11:05 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 7/07/2021 2:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP
>>>>>>> probably the best, Win 7 next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> win3.1 was M$'s effort to emulate the Macintosh GUI
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, it was an upgrade to Windows 2.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windows 3.0 was the upgrade to Windows 2. Followed by 3.1 and WFW3.11.
>>>>
>>>> They were all shit.
>>>
>>> Win 3 was the first usable version, WFW was quite decent for its day.
>>> I used it to set up a small network in our office, and used its
>>> scripting to make a lot of administrative tasks easier and quicker.
>>
>> WFW was the only really useful one but it was still unstable.
>
> It was stable enough to run a small organisation on it, that's all I
> required.

You couldn't have been doing anything much if that blue screen didn't
appear on a regular basis.

On 9/07/2021 5:28 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
> news:sc92im$nj0$4@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/07/2021 12:20 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sc87tu$lc8$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:03 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:sc321m$vl2$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP
>>>>>> probably the best, Win 7 next.
>>>>>
>>>>> Win 7 leaves XP for dead.
>>>>
>>>> Not in terms of longevity.
>>>
>>> Longevity is irrelevant to how well it works.
>>
>> My definition of best is the length of time people stuck with an OS
>> whilst newer versions came and went.
>
> More fool you. That is a completely stupid definition of best.
>

No it isn't. Longevity is a perfectly fine definition as it means people
found it best for longer and didn't feel the need to upgrade to more
recent versions.

>> XP creamed everything else in that regard.
>
> Bullshit it did.
>

History shows.

>> No argument that 7 is better.
>
> So its stupid to claim that XP is best.

It was best for longer, fuckwit.

On 9/07/2021 6:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 7:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions
>>>>>>>>>>> of PC owners
>>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one
>>>>>>>>>> to buy
>>>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system
>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed
>>>>>>>>> by Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more
>>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment.
>>>>>>>> The underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>>>
>>>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>>>
>>>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>>
>>> I don't think that you understand,
>>
>> Corse I know what that means.
>>
>>> by the professional market I mean mainframe and mini markets.
>>
>> Duh.
>>
>>> That's where IBM have always made the majority of their money.
>>
>> Still sweet fuck all with OS/2
>
> You have no idea, OS/2 was used in controllers on the machinery that
> make the commercial world work. The PC world is just the periphery of
> that and toys for amateurs.

LOL, OS/2 was an industry joke you clown.

Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote
>>> On 9/07/2021 12:20 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:sc87tu$lc8$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:03 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:sc321m$vl2$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably
>>>>>>> the best, Win 7 next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Win 7 leaves XP for dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in terms of longevity.
>>>>
>>>> Longevity is irrelevant to how well it works.
>>>
>>> My definition of best is the length of time people stuck with an OS
>>> whilst newer versions came and went.
>>
>> More fool you. That is a completely stupid definition of best.

> No it isn't.

Corse it is.

> Longevity is a perfectly fine definition as it means people found it best
> for longer and didn't feel the need to upgrade to more recent versions.

That’s a comment on the MS fuckups between
XP and 7, not whether it is the best overall.

>>> XP creamed everything else in that regard.

>> Bullshit it did.

> History shows.

Bullshit.

>>> No argument that 7 is better.

>> So its stupid to claim that XP is best.

> It was best for longer,

And much worse than 7, fuckwit.

On 11/07/2021 12:47 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 6:46 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2021 10:07 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 7/07/2021 10:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/07/2021 12:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions
>>>>>>>>>>> of PC owners
>>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 95 was way too unstable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great. The rest... meh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W10 is the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate it.
>>>>>
>>>> Why? Do you have some logical reason to do so?
>>>
>>> Software I like to run won't work and I don't like the UI.
>>>
>>> That's two sound reasons right there.
>>
>>
>> I have four towers connected to one kb and monitor. two run w10, one
>> w7 and XP, and one 98. I switch between them electronically. :)
>>
>
> Cool. I have a Win 10 laptop,

I also have a win10 laptop, and another winXP stand alone PC.

> main PC runs Win 7, and a Win 98 laptop and tower. The Win 98 laptop
> runs diagnostic software and workshop manuals for older cars and the
> '98 desktop is primarily used to read/write/archive various floppy
> disks for emulation use and creating real floppies for vintage
> computers like TRS-80 Model I/III, Amstrad and Microbee etc.

I have 3.5" floppy drives in 3 PC's and a 5.25" floppy in the win98 PC.
also Iomega drive in one PC.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/07/2021 12:53 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 6:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 7:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions
>>>>>>>>>>>> of PC owners
>>>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one
>>>>>>>>>>> to buy
>>>>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system
>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever
>>>>>>>>>>> since.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed
>>>>>>>>>> by Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more
>>>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment.
>>>>>>>>> The underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>>>>
>>>>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>>>
>>>> I don't think that you understand,
>>>
>>> Corse I know what that means.
>>>
>>>> by the professional market I mean mainframe and mini markets.
>>>
>>> Duh.
>>>
>>>> That's where IBM have always made the majority of their money.
>>>
>>> Still sweet fuck all with OS/2
>>
>> You have no idea, OS/2 was used in controllers on the machinery that
>> make the commercial world work. The PC world is just the periphery of
>> that and toys for amateurs.
>
>
> LOL, OS/2 was an industry joke you clown.
>

iirc OS/2 was good on early PC's. apps ran in their own memory space
which made it very stable.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/07/2021 11:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 11/07/2021 12:53 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 6:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2021 7:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally
>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of PC owners
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require
>>>>>>>>>>>> one to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system
>>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2,
>>>>>>>>>>> followed by Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k,
>>>>>>>>>>> with more automation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment.
>>>>>>>>>> The underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that you understand,
>>>>
>>>> Corse I know what that means.
>>>>
>>>>> by the professional market I mean mainframe and mini markets.
>>>>
>>>> Duh.
>>>>
>>>>> That's where IBM have always made the majority of their money.
>>>>
>>>> Still sweet fuck all with OS/2
>>>
>>> You have no idea, OS/2 was used in controllers on the machinery that
>>> make the commercial world work. The PC world is just the periphery
>>> of that and toys for amateurs.
>>
>>
>> LOL, OS/2 was an industry joke you clown.
>>
>
> iirc OS/2 was good on early PC's. apps ran in their own memory space
> which made it very stable.
>
>

"The success of Windows didn’t immediately spell the end for OS/2. IBM
continued to support it until 2001. It was heavily used in ATMs and
other embedded applications due to its stability. Even today, OS/2 is
used widely enough that it lives on via OS/2-based operating systems
sold and supported by vendors like eComStation and Arca Noae. The New
York Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) still uses OS/2 to
power elements of New York City’s famous subway system. A project called
Warpzilla also maintains ports of semi-modern web browsers for OS/2. If
you consider OS/2’s stability and longevity, IBM must have done
something right, even if it was overshadowed by Microsoft’s marketing
muscle. Rather than considering it just an “also-ran,” perhaps it’s time
OS/2 got a little respect."

https://www.howtogeek.com/688970/what-was-ibms-os2-and-why-did-it-matter/

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/7/21 11:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 11/07/2021 12:53 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 9/07/2021 6:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2021 7:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of PC owners
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one
>>>>>>>>>>>> to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system
>>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed
>>>>>>>>>>> by Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more
>>>>>>>>>>> automation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment.
>>>>>>>>>> The underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that you understand,
>>>>
>>>> Corse I know what that means.
>>>>
>>>>> by the professional market I mean mainframe and mini markets.
>>>>
>>>> Duh.
>>>>
>>>>> That's where IBM have always made the majority of their money.
>>>>
>>>> Still sweet fuck all with OS/2
>>>
>>> You have no idea, OS/2 was used in controllers on the machinery that
>>> make the commercial world work. The PC world is just the periphery of
>>> that and toys for amateurs.
>>
>>
>> LOL, OS/2 was an industry joke you clown.
>>
>
> iirc OS/2 was good on early PC's. apps ran in their own memory space
> which made it very stable.
>
>
It died because of lack of general industry support. It wouldn't have
mattered how stable it was.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/07/2021 1:08 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/7/21 11:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 11/07/2021 12:53 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2021 6:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 9/07/2021 7:25 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of PC owners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2,
>>>>>>>>>>>> followed by Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k,
>>>>>>>>>>>> with more automation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop
>>>>>>>>>>> environment. The underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>>>>>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that you understand,
>>>>>
>>>>> Corse I know what that means.
>>>>>
>>>>>> by the professional market I mean mainframe and mini markets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Duh.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's where IBM have always made the majority of their money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still sweet fuck all with OS/2
>>>>
>>>> You have no idea, OS/2 was used in controllers on the machinery
>>>> that make the commercial world work. The PC world is just the
>>>> periphery of that and toys for amateurs.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL, OS/2 was an industry joke you clown.
>>>
>>
>> iirc OS/2 was good on early PC's. apps ran in their own memory space
>> which made it very stable.
>>
>>
> It died because of lack of general industry support. It wouldn't have
> mattered how stable it was.
>

if it had won over windoze we would have better PC's now

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry