On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 12:25:46 PM UTC+8, keithr0 wrote:
> >
> If you want the features, you need the hardware to run it on. No
> different to Apple or even Linux.

I'm testing software on various linux distros. I have a bunch of old Sandy/Ivy Bridge PCs that I continually install the latest versions on, and have no problem. They don't need that TPM2 bullshit

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 10:23:21 PM UTC+8, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> Vista and 2000 were never popular
> --
I think you mean Me not 2000? 2000 was great.

On 8/7/21 10:33 am, Falscher Bruce wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 10:23:21 PM UTC+8, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> Vista and 2000 were never popular
>> --
> I think you mean Me not 2000? 2000 was great.
>
I suspect so. ME was a steaming crock of shit. 2000 wasn't. 2000 was
meant for the enterprise space and that was where I used it and, prior
to 2000 I used WinNT4.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:55:17 +1000
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> > Never used Vista but used 2000 for a couple of years - it was OK.
>
> We used Win2k at the college for a time. No problems at all,
> especially if you had previously used Win NT3.5 or Win NT4.0, as I
> had.

Why use Micro$haft at all? Full of bugs and security leaks.

On 8/7/21 1:36 pm, James Morrison wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:55:17 +1000
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> Never used Vista but used 2000 for a couple of years - it was OK.
>>
>> We used Win2k at the college for a time. No problems at all,
>> especially if you had previously used Win NT3.5 or Win NT4.0, as I
>> had.
>
> Why use Micro$haft at all? Full of bugs and security leaks.
>
I worked for TAFE back then, didn't have a choice and needed the
compatibility. After I retired from TAFE, I moved to what *I* wanted and
needed and that was Mac compatibility since that's what the students I
was tutoring had.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Falscher Bruce <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 12:25:46 PM UTC+8, keithr0 wrote:
>> >
>> If you want the features, you need the hardware to run it on. No
>> different to Apple or even Linux.
>
> I'm testing software on various linux distros. I have a bunch of
> old Sandy/Ivy Bridge PCs that I continually install the latest
> versions on, and have no problem. They don't need that TPM2
> bullshit

Exactly, the problem with keithr0's statement is that the hardware
restrictions apply _regardless_ of whether you want the features
it offers. Linux gives you the choice, even of going as far back
as mid 90s PC hardware - if you want more features _then_ you can
choose to upgrade.

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#_ < |\| |< _#

On 7/07/2021 2:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 12:06 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/07/2021 1:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>>
>>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with
>>> XP, 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>>
>> Nonsense. I have seen no reasons to "upgrade" from Win 7 yet.
>>
>>
> That's your personal situation only.

And that of many others that don't consider it's day long since gone.

On 7/07/2021 10:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 12:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>> owners
>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>
>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>
>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>
>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>
>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>
>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>
>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   XP or 95 for me.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> 95 was way too unstable.
>
>
> yes
>
>
>> 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great. The rest... meh.
>
>
> W10 is the best
>
>

I hate it.

On 7/07/2021 2:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 12:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 12:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>> owners
>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>
>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably
>>> the best, Win 7 next.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> win3.1 was M$'s effort to emulate the Macintosh GUI
>>
> No, it was an upgrade to Windows 2.

Windows 3.0 was the upgrade to Windows 2. Followed by 3.1 and WFW3.11.

They were all shit.

On 8/07/2021 4:03 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
> news:sc321m$vl2$3@dont-email.me...
>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>> owners
>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>
>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>
>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>
>>
>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably
>> the best, Win 7 next.
>
> Win 7 leaves XP for dead.

Not in terms of longevity.

On 7/07/2021 11:07 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC owners
>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>
>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>
>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>
>
> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by Windows
> 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>
> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....

Meh. IBM fucked it up and it was never going to be a success.

On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>> owners
>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>
>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>>
>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>
>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>
>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>
> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
> had to replace everything you already had.
>

True but it was a combination of both.

>> They wanted to wrest back control of the PC OC market. They failed.
>
>

On 8/07/2021 11:36 am, James Morrison wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:55:17 +1000
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> Never used Vista but used 2000 for a couple of years - it was OK.
>>
>> We used Win2k at the college for a time. No problems at all,
>> especially if you had previously used Win NT3.5 or Win NT4.0, as I
>> had.
>
> Why use Micro$haft at all? Full of bugs and security leaks.
>

Compatibility. In any event every popular OS has bugs and security leaks
but script kiddies don't bother with operating systems that nobody uses
in the real world.

On 9/07/2021 11:08 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 10:51 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 12:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 5/07/2021 7:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>
>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   XP or 95 for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 95 was way too unstable.
>>
>>
>> yes
>>
>>
>>> 98SE was rock solid and XP and 7 were great. The rest... meh.
>>
>>
>> W10 is the best
>>
>>
>
> I hate it.
>
Why? Do you have some logical reason to do so?

On 9/7/21 11:16 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 11:07 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>> owners
>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>
>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>
>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>
>>
>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>>
>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>
> Meh. IBM fucked it up and it was never going to be a success.
>
Pretty much!

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 9/07/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 2:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 12:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 7/07/2021 12:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>> owners
>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably
>>>> the best, Win 7 next.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> win3.1 was M$'s effort to emulate the Macintosh GUI
>>>
>> No, it was an upgrade to Windows 2.
>
>
> Windows 3.0 was the upgrade to Windows 2. Followed by 3.1 and WFW3.11.
>
> They were all shit.

Win 3 was the first usable version, WFW was quite decent for its day. I
used it to set up a small network in our office, and used its scripting
to make a lot of administrative tasks easier and quicker.

On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>> owners
>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>>>
>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>
>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>
>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>
>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>
>
> True but it was a combination of both.

OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.

On 9/07/2021 9:47 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Falscher Bruce <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 12:25:46 PM UTC+8, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>> If you want the features, you need the hardware to run it on. No
>>> different to Apple or even Linux.
>>
>> I'm testing software on various linux distros. I have a bunch of
>> old Sandy/Ivy Bridge PCs that I continually install the latest
>> versions on, and have no problem. They don't need that TPM2
>> bullshit
>
> Exactly, the problem with keithr0's statement is that the hardware
> restrictions apply _regardless_ of whether you want the features
> it offers. Linux gives you the choice, even of going as far back
> as mid 90s PC hardware - if you want more features _then_ you can
> choose to upgrade.
>
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a2VW8T+yYUG1pn1yR-5eU4jJXe1+M_ot6DAvfr2KyXCzQ@mail.gmail.com/

"Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
news:sc87tu$lc8$1@dont-email.me...
> On 8/07/2021 4:03 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Clocky" <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in message
>> news:sc321m$vl2$3@dont-email.me...
>>> On 5/07/2021 8:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>> owners
>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>
>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Win 3.11 was shit. Since Win98SE Windows has been great. XP probably the
>>> best, Win 7 next.
>>
>> Win 7 leaves XP for dead.
>
> Not in terms of longevity.

Longevity is irrelevant to how well it works.

Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote
>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote

>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>> owners worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>>>
>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>
>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>
>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>
>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>> had to replace everything you already had.

> True but it was a combination of both.

Nope, no marketing can fix a situation where what you
are trying to flog has nothing useful for the market
you are aiming at and a massive downside like that.

>>> They wanted to wrest back control of the PC OC market. They failed.

"keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of PC
>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>
>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>
>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>
>>
>> True but it was a combination of both.
>
> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.

And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.

On 8/07/2021 10:33 am, Falscher Bruce wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 10:23:21 PM UTC+8, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> Vista and 2000 were never popular
>> --
> I think you mean Me not 2000? 2000 was great.

yes

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 9/07/2021 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/07/2021 2:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 12:06 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/07/2021 1:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>>>
>>>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with
>>>> XP, 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. I have seen no reasons to "upgrade" from Win 7 yet.
>>>
>>>
>> That's your personal situation only.
>
> And that of many others that don't consider it's day long since gone.
>

no security updates since January 14 last year

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 9/07/2021 2:27 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ikpspfF97scU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On 9/07/2021 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 8/07/2021 4:14 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:ikkma7F968rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 7/7/21 1:07 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:10 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems that require one to buy
>>>>>>> new computers, then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11", been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You're dreaming. The PC operating system was OS/2, followed by
>>>>>> Windows 2000. Windows XP was, basically, Win2k, with more automation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, the only real difference was in the desktop environment. The
>>>>> underlying XP OS was the same as Win2k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still, if OS/2 had made it in the marketplace.....
>>>>>
>>>>> OS/2 died because it was marketed wrongly by *IBM*.
>>>>
>>>> The problem wasn’t marketing, it was that you
>>>> had to replace everything you already had.
>>>>
>>>
>>> True but it was a combination of both.
>>
>> OS/2 continued on for years inside IBM professional products.
>
> And they sold fuck all of those. It was always a dud market wise.

I don't think that you understand, by the professional market I mean
mainframe and mini markets. That's where IBM have always made the
majority of their money.

On 9/07/2021 1:02 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/07/2021 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/07/2021 2:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/07/2021 12:06 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/07/2021 1:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 5/07/2021 10:49 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/07/2021 9:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 12:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:69j4eg5g3sla81qdnse5u75ll4m5ul5nd9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:15:04 +1000, Yosemite Sam
>>>>>>>>> <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> M$ support for W10 will end in 2025, but literally millions of
>>>>>>>>>> PC owners
>>>>>>>>>> worldwide will be unable to upgrade to W11!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrH4zEBmztc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lots more vids about it on youtube and articles on the web
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft has always made operating systems
>>>>>>>>> that require one to buy new computers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No they didn't with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then they can sell another operating system with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No they didn't with 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never a upgrade though always a downgrade.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's wrong too with 7 and 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best operating system was "Win 3.11",
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> been downgraded ever since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  XP or 95 for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 95 was crap. full of probs and bugs
>>>>>>
>>>>> 95 was good for its day but that day is long since gone. Same with
>>>>> XP, 7, 8, 8.1 also.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense. I have seen no reasons to "upgrade" from Win 7 yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's your personal situation only.
>>
>> And that of many others that don't consider it's day long since gone.
>>
>
> no security updates since January 14 last year
>

Which hasn't stopped 15% of all Windows users sticking with 7.
MS security essentials still updates and I've not had any security issues.