"Hasn't stopped car attacks!" <killem@with.cars> wrote in message
news:tv8hmm$1a576$3@paganini.bofh.team...
> There has been a significant shift in the country's gun culture
>
> Australia's response to the Port Arthur massacre should be looked at by
> the United States as an example, Sydney experts say, while warning against
> complacency as new figures show people who own guns have bought more.
>
> New University of Sydney figures on gun ownership in Australia:
> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an
> average of four for each licensed gun owner.
> The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48
> percent since 1997.
> The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by 75
> percent in recent decades.
> Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more rather
> than an increase in new gun owners.
> Gun control expert Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers from the
> School of Public Health, Faculty of Medicine and Health, revealed the
> figures on the eve of the 25th anniversary of gun control since Port
> Arthur.
>
> An opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald by the Head of the School of
> Public Health, Professor Joel Negin outlined the importance of continuing
> vigilance. A recently published perspective, co-authored with Associate
> Professor Alpers in the high-impact New England Journal of Medicine also
> discussed this point.
>
> A University event, Public Health at the Forefront of Social Change: 25
> Years of Gun Control since Port Arthur, discussed the impact of
> Australia's post-1996 response and the future of fire-arm prevention.
> Associate Professor Philip Alpers, a specialist in firearm injury
> prevention, says:
>
> "In the wake of John Howard's gun reforms, the risk of an Australian dying
> by gunshot quickly fell by more than half - and it's stayed that low for
> 25 years.
>
> "In those same years, there's also been a significant shift in the
> country's gun culture."
>
> In new figures published yesterday by the university-hosted project
> GunPolicy.org, Associate Professor Alpers reported: "The proportion of
> Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as each year
> a smaller segment of the population decide they need a firearm."
>
> In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52
> licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion had
> almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
>
> "Although several states and territories still refuse to release their
> firearm licensing data, we know that today about 868,000 Australians have
> a current gun licence," says Associate Professor Alpers.
>
> In 1997, the federal firearm buyback campaign reported that 1.2 million
> Australians were licensed to possess firearms.
>
> "This doesn't mean Australians own fewer guns," he says.
>
> "Government figures show that imports of modern firearms for private
> owners fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year. But even after 25
> years of importing well over a million new guns since the firearm
> buybacks, the rate of registered firearms per 100 population has only
> risen by 1.7 percent."
>
> In the same period, the country's population grew by 40 percent, from 18.2
> million to 25.5 million.
>
> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an
> average of four each. Private gun owners also hold an estimated 260,000
> illegal firearms in the "grey market" of undeclared weapons.
>
> "It's clear that those who already own guns have bought more, while those
> who don't own guns are becoming more numerous. Polling confirms this, with
> the proportion of Australian households with a firearm falling by 75
> percent in recent decades."

Other than the fact that criminals with guns are on the rise..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-04/illegal-firearms-shooting-police-gun-crime/101306628

On 21/03/2023 5:42 am, Dick Jacobs wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2023, Fran
> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com> posted
> some news:tv8kr8$3c9a8$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 20/03/2023 1:51 pm, Hasn't stopped car attacks! wrote:
>>
>> You missed some very important parts of the article. I've added them
>> after the silly assertion about China.
>>
>>
>>> There has been a significant shift in the country’s gun culture
>>>
>>> Australia's response to the Port Arthur massacre should be looked at
>>> by the United States as an example, Sydney experts say, while warning
>>> against complacency as new figures show people who own guns have
>>> bought more.
>>>
>>> New University of Sydney figures on gun ownership in Australia:
>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered
>>> firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner.
>>> The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48
>>> percent since 1997.
>>> The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by
>>> 75 percent in recent decades.
>>> Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more
>>> rather than an increase in new gun owners.
>>> Gun control expert Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers from the
>>> School of Public Health, Faculty of Medicine and Health, revealed the
>>> figures on the eve of the 25th anniversary of gun control since Port
>>> Arthur.
>>>
>>> An opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald by the Head of the
>>> School of Public Health, Professor Joel Negin outlined the importance
>>> of continuing vigilance. A recently published perspective,
>>> co-authored with Associate Professor Alpers in the high-impact New
>>> England Journal of Medicine also discussed this point.
>>>
>>> A University event, Public Health at the Forefront of Social Change:
>>> 25 Years of Gun Control since Port Arthur, discussed the impact of
>>> Australia’s post-1996 response and the future of fire-arm
>>> prevention. Associate Professor Philip Alpers, a specialist in
>>> firearm injury prevention, says:
>>>
>>> “In the wake of John Howard’s gun reforms, the risk of an
>>> Australian dying by gunshot quickly fell by more than half – and
>>> it’s stayed that low for 25 years.
>>>
>>> “In those same years, there’s also been a significant shift in
>>> the country’s gun culture.”
>>>
>>> In new figures published yesterday by the university-hosted project
>>> GunPolicy.org, Associate Professor Alpers reported: “The proportion
>>> of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as
>>> each year a smaller segment of the population decide they need a
>>> firearm.”
>>>
>>> In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52
>>> licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion
>>> had almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
>>>
>>> “Although several states and territories still refuse to release
>>> their firearm licensing data, we know that today about 868,000
>>> Australians have a current gun licence,” says Associate Professor
>>> Alpers.
>>>
>>> In 1997, the federal firearm buyback campaign reported that 1.2
>>> million Australians were licensed to possess firearms.
>>>
>>> “This doesn’t mean Australians own fewer guns,” he says.
>>>
>>> “Government figures show that imports of modern firearms for
>>> private owners fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year. But
>>> even after 25 years of importing well over a million new guns since
>>> the firearm buybacks, the rate of registered firearms per 100
>>> population has only risen by 1.7 percent.”
>>>
>>> In the same period, the country’s population grew by 40 percent,
>>> from 18.2 million to 25.5 million.
>>>
>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered
>>> firearms, an average of four each. Private gun owners also hold an
>>> estimated 260,000 illegal firearms in the “grey market” of
>>> undeclared weapons.
>>>
>>> “It’s clear that those who already own guns have bought more,
>>> while those who don’t own guns are becoming more numerous. Polling
>>> confirms this, with the proportion of Australian households with a
>>> firearm falling by 75 percent in recent decades.”
>>>
>>> Australia’s firearm policy response instigated by the Port Arthur
>>> Massacre on 28 April 1996, remains an example of the significant
>>> impacts and possibilities of firearm injury prevention.
>>>
>>> <https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/04/28/new-gun-owners
>>> hip- figures-revealed-25-years-on-from-port-arthur.html>
>>>
>>> Australia is preparing to become subjects of China.
>>
>> Yawn.
>>
>> Greatest examples of public health policy in action
>>
>> Global health and policy expert Professor Negin says: “Australia
>> remains an exemplar of what committed public health action can achieve
>> in terms of reducing firearm violence.â€
>
> Snort. You pacifists run and hide behind Canada or the USA every time
> slants threaten your country.

If adding the rest of the article makes you think I'm a pacifist them
you're even more of a fuckwit than the moron who made the original
ignorant crack about China. You and the other dick head are both just
oxygen thieves.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 07:28:54 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Hasn't stopped car attacks!" <killem@with.cars> wrote in message
> news:tv8hmm$1a576$3@paganini.bofh.team...
>> There has been a significant shift in the country's gun culture
>>
>> Australia's response to the Port Arthur massacre should be looked at by
>> the United States as an example, Sydney experts say, while warning
>> against
>> complacency as new figures show people who own guns have bought more.
>>
>> New University of Sydney figures on gun ownership in Australia:
>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms,
>> an
>> average of four for each licensed gun owner.
>> The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48
>> percent since 1997.
>> The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by 75
>> percent in recent decades.
>> Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more rather
>> than an increase in new gun owners.
>> Gun control expert Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers from the
>> School of Public Health, Faculty of Medicine and Health, revealed the
>> figures on the eve of the 25th anniversary of gun control since Port
>> Arthur.
>>
>> An opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald by the Head of the School
>> of
>> Public Health, Professor Joel Negin outlined the importance of
>> continuing
>> vigilance. A recently published perspective, co-authored with Associate
>> Professor Alpers in the high-impact New England Journal of Medicine also
>> discussed this point.
>>
>> A University event, Public Health at the Forefront of Social Change: 25
>> Years of Gun Control since Port Arthur, discussed the impact of
>> Australia's post-1996 response and the future of fire-arm prevention.
>> Associate Professor Philip Alpers, a specialist in firearm injury
>> prevention, says:
>>
>> "In the wake of John Howard's gun reforms, the risk of an Australian
>> dying
>> by gunshot quickly fell by more than half - and it's stayed that low for
>> 25 years.
>>
>> "In those same years, there's also been a significant shift in the
>> country's gun culture."
>>
>> In new figures published yesterday by the university-hosted project
>> GunPolicy.org, Associate Professor Alpers reported: "The proportion of
>> Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as each
>> year
>> a smaller segment of the population decide they need a firearm."
>>
>> In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52
>> licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion had
>> almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
>>
>> "Although several states and territories still refuse to release their
>> firearm licensing data, we know that today about 868,000 Australians
>> have
>> a current gun licence," says Associate Professor Alpers.
>>
>> In 1997, the federal firearm buyback campaign reported that 1.2 million
>> Australians were licensed to possess firearms.
>>
>> "This doesn't mean Australians own fewer guns," he says.
>>
>> "Government figures show that imports of modern firearms for private
>> owners fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year. But even after 25
>> years of importing well over a million new guns since the firearm
>> buybacks, the rate of registered firearms per 100 population has only
>> risen by 1.7 percent."
>>
>> In the same period, the country's population grew by 40 percent, from
>> 18.2
>> million to 25.5 million.
>>
>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms,
>> an
>> average of four each. Private gun owners also hold an estimated 260,000
>> illegal firearms in the "grey market" of undeclared weapons.
>>
>> "It's clear that those who already own guns have bought more, while
>> those
>> who don't own guns are becoming more numerous. Polling confirms this,
>> with
>> the proportion of Australian households with a firearm falling by 75
>> percent in recent decades."
>
> Other than the fact that criminals with guns are on the rise..

Bullshit.

> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-04/illegal-firearms-shooting-police-gun-crime/101306628

Just because some fool journo claims something...

https://ia601703.us.archive.org/26/items/a-history-of-central-banking-and-the-enslavement-of-mankind-pdfdrive/A_History_of_Central_Banking_and_the_Enslavement_of_Mankind__PDFDrive_.pdf

Let the Record show that Fran
<gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com> on
or about Mon, 20 Mar 2023 14:44:41 +1100 did write, type or otherwise
cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
>
>Rebecca Peters AO, who played a critical role in Australia's gun law
>reforms, is an alumna of the University, was the first director of
>IANSA, the international civil society movement against gun violence,
>and has advised and consulted on gun laws in many countries as part of
>the UN small arms process.
>
>“Every week we hear of mass shootings in the USA and wonder at that
>country’s inability to address its gun violence problem,” she says.
>
>“But many young people aren’t even aware that Australia used to have
>mass shootings, and that assault weapons were widely owned here.

"Used to have..." How many? How frequently?

As I understand it - The Government freaked out after the first
one and decided that Australians could not be trusted with firearms.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or
working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is
our job to see that it stays there." ? George Orwell

Who is the sugar babe? Presumably screened to have far-right capitilist
personality disorder.
I hope everybody at Sky News gets a day off for the happy occasion.

Woo Chi Sing <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote

> Who is the sugar babe?

Just another gold digging bimbo/nurse.

> Presumably screened to have far-right capitilist personality disorder.

> I hope everybody at Sky News gets a day off for the happy occasion.

Not a chance.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 13:01:06 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Woo Chi Sing <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote
>
>> Who is the sugar babe?
>
>Just another gold digging bimbo/nurse.
>
Were going to his Moraga Vineyards myself, missed out on some fluff!

>> Presumably screened to have far-right capitilist personality disorder.
>
>> I hope everybody at Sky News gets a day off for the happy occasion.
>
>Not a chance.
>
agree
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 14:01:14 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 13:01:06 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Woo Chi Sing <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote
>>
>>> Who is the sugar babe?
>>
>> Just another gold digging bimbo/nurse.
>>
> Were going to his Moraga Vineyards myself,

Even you should have noticed that that geriatric
old fart spends most of his time in the USA.

> missed out on some fluff!

And decent wine.

>>> Presumably screened to have far-right capitilist personality disorder.

>>> I hope everybody at Sky News gets a day off for the happy occasion.

>> Not a chance.

> agree

"M 4.5 - 5 km SSE of Menídi, Greece 2023-03-21 11:20:14 (UTC+11:00) 10..0 km depth"

( 11 * 60 * 60 + 20 * 60 + 14 ) / 111 / 365.2425 = 1.00671114

( 671114 - 411176 ) / 9 = 28882

https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/12/catholic-church-sex-abuse-claims-vatican-has-immunity-rules-echr

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.114ievvzbyq249@pvr2.lan...
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 07:28:54 +1100, Scout
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Hasn't stopped car attacks!" <killem@with.cars> wrote in message
>> news:tv8hmm$1a576$3@paganini.bofh.team...
>>> There has been a significant shift in the country's gun culture
>>>
>>> Australia's response to the Port Arthur massacre should be looked at by
>>> the United States as an example, Sydney experts say, while warning
>>> against
>>> complacency as new figures show people who own guns have bought more.
>>>
>>> New University of Sydney figures on gun ownership in Australia:
>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms,
>>> an
>>> average of four for each licensed gun owner.
>>> The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48
>>> percent since 1997.
>>> The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by 75
>>> percent in recent decades.
>>> Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more rather
>>> than an increase in new gun owners.
>>> Gun control expert Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers from the
>>> School of Public Health, Faculty of Medicine and Health, revealed the
>>> figures on the eve of the 25th anniversary of gun control since Port
>>> Arthur.
>>>
>>> An opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald by the Head of the School
>>> of
>>> Public Health, Professor Joel Negin outlined the importance of
>>> continuing
>>> vigilance. A recently published perspective, co-authored with Associate
>>> Professor Alpers in the high-impact New England Journal of Medicine also
>>> discussed this point.
>>>
>>> A University event, Public Health at the Forefront of Social Change: 25
>>> Years of Gun Control since Port Arthur, discussed the impact of
>>> Australia's post-1996 response and the future of fire-arm prevention.
>>> Associate Professor Philip Alpers, a specialist in firearm injury
>>> prevention, says:
>>>
>>> "In the wake of John Howard's gun reforms, the risk of an Australian
>>> dying
>>> by gunshot quickly fell by more than half - and it's stayed that low for
>>> 25 years.
>>>
>>> "In those same years, there's also been a significant shift in the
>>> country's gun culture."
>>>
>>> In new figures published yesterday by the university-hosted project
>>> GunPolicy.org, Associate Professor Alpers reported: "The proportion of
>>> Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as each
>>> year
>>> a smaller segment of the population decide they need a firearm."
>>>
>>> In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52
>>> licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion had
>>> almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
>>>
>>> "Although several states and territories still refuse to release their
>>> firearm licensing data, we know that today about 868,000 Australians
>>> have
>>> a current gun licence," says Associate Professor Alpers.
>>>
>>> In 1997, the federal firearm buyback campaign reported that 1.2 million
>>> Australians were licensed to possess firearms.
>>>
>>> "This doesn't mean Australians own fewer guns," he says.
>>>
>>> "Government figures show that imports of modern firearms for private
>>> owners fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year. But even after 25
>>> years of importing well over a million new guns since the firearm
>>> buybacks, the rate of registered firearms per 100 population has only
>>> risen by 1.7 percent."
>>>
>>> In the same period, the country's population grew by 40 percent, from
>>> 18.2
>>> million to 25.5 million.
>>>
>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered firearms,
>>> an
>>> average of four each. Private gun owners also hold an estimated 260,000
>>> illegal firearms in the "grey market" of undeclared weapons.
>>>
>>> "It's clear that those who already own guns have bought more, while
>>> those
>>> who don't own guns are becoming more numerous. Polling confirms this,
>>> with
>>> the proportion of Australian households with a firearm falling by 75
>>> percent in recent decades."
>>
>> Other than the fact that criminals with guns are on the rise..
>
> Bullshit.

Really? You think every single gun owner properly registered and/or turned
in every gun they owned?

When such a gun is transferred to someone else.. that person is now a
criminal with a gun.

Illegal guns are imported and sold in the black/grey market.. those are all
people who become criminals with guns.

Indeed, that might be their only criminal offense.. but it's still an
offense and they are still a criminal due to it.

>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-04/illegal-firearms-shooting-police-gun-crime/101306628
>
> Just because some fool journo claims something...

Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>>> "Hasn't stopped car attacks!" <killem@with.cars> wrote

>>>> There has been a significant shift in the country's gun culture
>>>>
>>>> Australia's response to the Port Arthur massacre should be looked at
>>>> by
>>>> the United States as an example, Sydney experts say, while warning
>>>> against
>>>> complacency as new figures show people who own guns have bought more.
>>>>
>>>> New University of Sydney figures on gun ownership in Australia:
>>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered
>>>> firearms, an
>>>> average of four for each licensed gun owner.
>>>> The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48
>>>> percent since 1997.
>>>> The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by
>>>> 75
>>>> percent in recent decades.
>>>> Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more
>>>> rather
>>>> than an increase in new gun owners.
>>>> Gun control expert Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers from the
>>>> School of Public Health, Faculty of Medicine and Health, revealed the
>>>> figures on the eve of the 25th anniversary of gun control since Port
>>>> Arthur.
>>>>
>>>> An opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald by the Head of the
>>>> School of
>>>> Public Health, Professor Joel Negin outlined the importance of
>>>> continuing
>>>> vigilance. A recently published perspective, co-authored with
>>>> Associate
>>>> Professor Alpers in the high-impact New England Journal of Medicine
>>>> also
>>>> discussed this point.
>>>>
>>>> A University event, Public Health at the Forefront of Social Change:
>>>> 25
>>>> Years of Gun Control since Port Arthur, discussed the impact of
>>>> Australia's post-1996 response and the future of fire-arm prevention.
>>>> Associate Professor Philip Alpers, a specialist in firearm injury
>>>> prevention, says:
>>>>
>>>> "In the wake of John Howard's gun reforms, the risk of an Australian
>>>> dying
>>>> by gunshot quickly fell by more than half - and it's stayed that low
>>>> for
>>>> 25 years.
>>>>
>>>> "In those same years, there's also been a significant shift in the
>>>> country's gun culture."
>>>>
>>>> In new figures published yesterday by the university-hosted project
>>>> GunPolicy.org, Associate Professor Alpers reported: "The proportion of
>>>> Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as each
>>>> year
>>>> a smaller segment of the population decide they need a firearm."
>>>>
>>>> In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52
>>>> licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion
>>>> had
>>>> almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
>>>>
>>>> "Although several states and territories still refuse to release their
>>>> firearm licensing data, we know that today about 868,000 Australians
>>>> have
>>>> a current gun licence," says Associate Professor Alpers.
>>>>
>>>> In 1997, the federal firearm buyback campaign reported that 1.2
>>>> million
>>>> Australians were licensed to possess firearms.
>>>>
>>>> "This doesn't mean Australians own fewer guns," he says.
>>>>
>>>> "Government figures show that imports of modern firearms for private
>>>> owners fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year. But even after
>>>> 25
>>>> years of importing well over a million new guns since the firearm
>>>> buybacks, the rate of registered firearms per 100 population has only
>>>> risen by 1.7 percent."
>>>>
>>>> In the same period, the country's population grew by 40 percent, from
>>>> 18.2
>>>> million to 25.5 million.
>>>>
>>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered
>>>> firearms, an
>>>> average of four each. Private gun owners also hold an estimated
>>>> 260,000
>>>> illegal firearms in the "grey market" of undeclared weapons.
>>>>
>>>> "It's clear that those who already own guns have bought more, while
>>>> those
>>>> who don't own guns are becoming more numerous. Polling confirms this,
>>>> with
>>>> the proportion of Australian households with a firearm falling by 75
>>>> percent in recent decades."
>>>
>>> Other than the fact that criminals with guns are on the rise..
>>
>> Bullshit.

> Really?

Fraid so.

> You think every single gun owner properly registered and/or turned in
> every gun they owned?

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.

> When such a gun is transferred to someone else.. that person is now a
> criminal with a gun.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.

> Illegal guns are imported and sold in the black/grey market.. those are
> all people who become criminals with guns.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.

> Indeed, that might be their only criminal offense.. but it's still an
> offense and they are still a criminal due to it.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.

>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-04/illegal-firearms-shooting-police-gun-crime/101306628
>>
>> Just because some fool journo claims something...

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.115xkpj0byq249@pvr2.lan...
> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>>>> "Hasn't stopped car attacks!" <killem@with.cars> wrote
>
>>>>> There has been a significant shift in the country's gun culture
>>>>>
>>>>> Australia's response to the Port Arthur massacre should be looked at
>>>>> by
>>>>> the United States as an example, Sydney experts say, while warning
>>>>> against
>>>>> complacency as new figures show people who own guns have bought more.
>>>>>
>>>>> New University of Sydney figures on gun ownership in Australia:
>>>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered
>>>>> firearms, an
>>>>> average of four for each licensed gun owner.
>>>>> The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48
>>>>> percent since 1997.
>>>>> The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen by
>>>>> 75
>>>>> percent in recent decades.
>>>>> Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more
>>>>> rather
>>>>> than an increase in new gun owners.
>>>>> Gun control expert Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers from the
>>>>> School of Public Health, Faculty of Medicine and Health, revealed the
>>>>> figures on the eve of the 25th anniversary of gun control since Port
>>>>> Arthur.
>>>>>
>>>>> An opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald by the Head of the
>>>>> School of
>>>>> Public Health, Professor Joel Negin outlined the importance of
>>>>> continuing
>>>>> vigilance. A recently published perspective, co-authored with
>>>>> Associate
>>>>> Professor Alpers in the high-impact New England Journal of Medicine
>>>>> also
>>>>> discussed this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> A University event, Public Health at the Forefront of Social Change:
>>>>> 25
>>>>> Years of Gun Control since Port Arthur, discussed the impact of
>>>>> Australia's post-1996 response and the future of fire-arm prevention.
>>>>> Associate Professor Philip Alpers, a specialist in firearm injury
>>>>> prevention, says:
>>>>>
>>>>> "In the wake of John Howard's gun reforms, the risk of an Australian
>>>>> dying
>>>>> by gunshot quickly fell by more than half - and it's stayed that low
>>>>> for
>>>>> 25 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> "In those same years, there's also been a significant shift in the
>>>>> country's gun culture."
>>>>>
>>>>> In new figures published yesterday by the university-hosted project
>>>>> GunPolicy.org, Associate Professor Alpers reported: "The proportion of
>>>>> Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as each
>>>>> year
>>>>> a smaller segment of the population decide they need a firearm."
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52
>>>>> licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion
>>>>> had
>>>>> almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Although several states and territories still refuse to release their
>>>>> firearm licensing data, we know that today about 868,000 Australians
>>>>> have
>>>>> a current gun licence," says Associate Professor Alpers.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1997, the federal firearm buyback campaign reported that 1.2
>>>>> million
>>>>> Australians were licensed to possess firearms.
>>>>>
>>>>> "This doesn't mean Australians own fewer guns," he says.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Government figures show that imports of modern firearms for private
>>>>> owners fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year. But even after
>>>>> 25
>>>>> years of importing well over a million new guns since the firearm
>>>>> buybacks, the rate of registered firearms per 100 population has only
>>>>> risen by 1.7 percent."
>>>>>
>>>>> In the same period, the country's population grew by 40 percent, from
>>>>> 18.2
>>>>> million to 25.5 million.
>>>>>
>>>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered
>>>>> firearms, an
>>>>> average of four each. Private gun owners also hold an estimated
>>>>> 260,000
>>>>> illegal firearms in the "grey market" of undeclared weapons.
>>>>>
>>>>> "It's clear that those who already own guns have bought more, while
>>>>> those
>>>>> who don't own guns are becoming more numerous. Polling confirms this,
>>>>> with
>>>>> the proportion of Australian households with a firearm falling by 75
>>>>> percent in recent decades."
>>>>
>>>> Other than the fact that criminals with guns are on the rise..
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>
>> Really?
>
> Fraid so.
>
>> You think every single gun owner properly registered and/or turned in
>> every gun they owned?
>
> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>
>> When such a gun is transferred to someone else.. that person is now a
>> criminal with a gun.
>
> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>
>> Illegal guns are imported and sold in the black/grey market.. those are
>> all people who become criminals with guns.
>
> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>
>> Indeed, that might be their only criminal offense.. but it's still an
>> offense and they are still a criminal due to it.
>
> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.

Sure it is. Because fathers pass some of their illegal guns onto children,
People with such guns sell them to other people to get extra money.

I mean you really don't expect other people to get some of those guns?

Then we can always consider who it is that gets all those guns illegally
imported. Probably people who don't want the government to know they have a
gun, or couldn't own one if the government knew of it.

"It tracks unregistered guns seized by law enforcement agencies."
"Less than 2 per cent of long-barrel guns and between 4 and 17 per cent of
handguns had been smuggled into Australia."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/source-of-illicit-guns-in-australia/6483762#:~:text=Less%20than%202%20per%20cent,had%20been%20smuggled%20into%20Australia.

and since this only shows the ones detected.. the number of people who have
obtained such illegal guns would be increasing.. unless you think the
Australian police force is 100% effective.

Let the Record show that "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> on or about Tue, 21 Mar
2023 10:51:02 -0500 did write, type or otherwise cause to appear in
talk.politics.guns the following:
>
>>> Illegal guns are imported and sold in the black/grey market.. those are
>>> all people who become criminals with guns.
>>
>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>>
>>> Indeed, that might be their only criminal offense.. but it's still an
>>> offense and they are still a criminal due to it.
>>
>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>
>Sure it is. Because fathers pass some of their illegal guns onto children,
>People with such guns sell them to other people to get extra money.
>
>I mean you really don't expect other people to get some of those guns?
>
>Then we can always consider who it is that gets all those guns illegally
>imported. Probably people who don't want the government to know they have a
>gun, or couldn't own one if the government knew of it.
>
>"It tracks unregistered guns seized by law enforcement agencies."
>"Less than 2 per cent of long-barrel guns and between 4 and 17 per cent of
>handguns had been smuggled into Australia."
>
>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/source-of-illicit-guns-in-australia/6483762#:~:text=Less%20than%202%20per%20cent,had%20been%20smuggled%20into%20Australia.
>
>and since this only shows the ones detected.. the number of people who have
>obtained such illegal guns would be increasing.. unless you think the
>Australian police force is 100% effective.
>

I'm always amused by those who feel that if guns are de facto
banned, that "crime" will drop, ignoring that in the process of their
adding new crimes, they are increasing the number of laws to be
broken.

I also find it amusing that there are those who seem to believe
that it would be impossible for those with an illicit import business
to expand their product line.

And of course, I find it amusing when there is a report of
felonies committed with fully automatic firearms, in a jurisdiction
where legal possession of such firearms is forbidden.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or
working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is
our job to see that it stays there." ? George Orwell

21 Aur Auriga ( solid angle area sqr. deg. ) 657.438

657.438 / 360 = 1.826216667

153855908 / 826216667 = 0.186217386

( 683712681 - 186217386 ) / 99 = 5025205

Tuesday, 21 March 2023, 13:54 UTC, C4.64

13 * 60 + 54 = 834

834 / 464 = 1.797413793

( 797413793 - 397314797 ) / 9 = 44455444

44455444 / 5025205 = 8.846493626

8 * 0.8464936262 , ... = 1.053552243

( 53552243 - 34225535 ) = 2147412

Proxima Centauri, 4.2465 ± 0.0003 ly

Capella, 42.919 ± 0.049 ly

42.919 / 4.2465 = 10.10691157

10 * 0.10691157 = 1.069115742

69115742 - 24751196 = 44364546

44364546 / 9 = 4929394

44364546 / 9! = 122.2567956

( 123 - 122.2567956 ) * 9! = 269694

( 496962 - 269694 ) / 9 = 25252

293, 62nd prime

293 / 62 = 4.725806452

4 * 0.725806452 , ... = 1.806451613

( 806451613 - 316154608 ) / 9 = 54477445

54477445

2147412

54477445 / 2147412 = 25.36888357

25 * 0.36888357 , ... = 1.998802745

( 998802745 - 547208899 ) / 99 = 4561554

615 / 123 = 5

615 / 41 = 15

41, 13th prime

41 / 13 / pi = 1.00390041

( 390041 - 140093 ) / 9 = 27772

"M 5.0 - northern Mid-Atlantic Ridge 2023-03-21 07:49:21 (UTC+11:00) 10.0 km depth"

"M 5.0 - northern Mid-Atlantic Ridge 2023-03-21 07:46:54 (UTC+11:00) 10.0 km depth"

"M 4.9 - northern Mid-Atlantic Ridge 2023-03-21 07:41:08 (UTC+11:00) 10.0 km depth"

7 + 7 + 7 = 21
49 + 46 + 41 = 136
21 + 54 + 8 = 83

21 * 60 * 60 + 136 * 60 + 83 = 83843

83843 - 34838 = 49005

49005 / 9 = 5445

49005 / 45 / 11 = 99

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:51:02 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.115xkpj0byq249@pvr2.lan...
>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>>>>> "Hasn't stopped car attacks!" <killem@with.cars> wrote
>>
>>>>>> There has been a significant shift in the country's gun culture
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Australia's response to the Port Arthur massacre should be looked
>>>>>> at by
>>>>>> the United States as an example, Sydney experts say, while warning
>>>>>> against
>>>>>> complacency as new figures show people who own guns have bought
>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New University of Sydney figures on gun ownership in Australia:
>>>>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered
>>>>>> firearms, an
>>>>>> average of four for each licensed gun owner.
>>>>>> The proportion of Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by
>>>>>> 48
>>>>>> percent since 1997.
>>>>>> The proportion of Australian households with a firearm has fallen
>>>>>> by 75
>>>>>> percent in recent decades.
>>>>>> Data indicates that people who already own guns have bought more
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> than an increase in new gun owners.
>>>>>> Gun control expert Adjunct Associate Professor Philip Alpers from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> School of Public Health, Faculty of Medicine and Health, revealed
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> figures on the eve of the 25th anniversary of gun control since
>>>>>> Port
>>>>>> Arthur.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald by the Head of the
>>>>>> School of
>>>>>> Public Health, Professor Joel Negin outlined the importance of
>>>>>> continuing
>>>>>> vigilance. A recently published perspective, co-authored with
>>>>>> Associate
>>>>>> Professor Alpers in the high-impact New England Journal of Medicine
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> discussed this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A University event, Public Health at the Forefront of Social
>>>>>> Change: 25
>>>>>> Years of Gun Control since Port Arthur, discussed the impact of
>>>>>> Australia's post-1996 response and the future of fire-arm
>>>>>> prevention.
>>>>>> Associate Professor Philip Alpers, a specialist in firearm injury
>>>>>> prevention, says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In the wake of John Howard's gun reforms, the risk of an
>>>>>> Australian dying
>>>>>> by gunshot quickly fell by more than half - and it's stayed that
>>>>>> low for
>>>>>> 25 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In those same years, there's also been a significant shift in the
>>>>>> country's gun culture."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In new figures published yesterday by the university-hosted project
>>>>>> GunPolicy.org, Associate Professor Alpers reported: "The proportion
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Australians who hold a gun licence has fallen by 48 percent, as
>>>>>> each year
>>>>>> a smaller segment of the population decide they need a firearm."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52
>>>>>> licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that
>>>>>> proportion had
>>>>>> almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Although several states and territories still refuse to release
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> firearm licensing data, we know that today about 868,000
>>>>>> Australians have
>>>>>> a current gun licence," says Associate Professor Alpers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 1997, the federal firearm buyback campaign reported that 1.2
>>>>>> million
>>>>>> Australians were licensed to possess firearms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This doesn't mean Australians own fewer guns," he says.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Government figures show that imports of modern firearms for private
>>>>>> owners fluctuate between 65,000 and 116,000 each year. But even
>>>>>> after 25
>>>>>> years of importing well over a million new guns since the firearm
>>>>>> buybacks, the rate of registered firearms per 100 population has
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> risen by 1.7 percent."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the same period, the country's population grew by 40 percent,
>>>>>> from 18.2
>>>>>> million to 25.5 million.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Australian civilians now own more than 3.5 million registered
>>>>>> firearms, an
>>>>>> average of four each. Private gun owners also hold an estimated
>>>>>> 260,000
>>>>>> illegal firearms in the "grey market" of undeclared weapons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It's clear that those who already own guns have bought more, while
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> who don't own guns are becoming more numerous. Polling confirms
>>>>>> this, with
>>>>>> the proportion of Australian households with a firearm falling by 75
>>>>>> percent in recent decades."
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than the fact that criminals with guns are on the rise..
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> Fraid so.
>>
>>> You think every single gun owner properly registered and/or turned in
>>> every gun they owned?
>>
>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>>
>>> When such a gun is transferred to someone else.. that person is now a
>>> criminal with a gun.
>>
>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>>
>>> Illegal guns are imported and sold in the black/grey market.. those
>>> are all people who become criminals with guns.
>>
>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>>
>>> Indeed, that might be their only criminal offense.. but it's still an
>>> offense and they are still a criminal due to it.
>>
>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.
>
> Sure it is. Because fathers pass some of their illegal guns onto
> children,

Only after they are dead, so no rise involved.

> People with such guns sell them to other people to get extra money.

Still no RISE involved.

> I mean you really don't expect other people to get some of those guns?

>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant ON THE RISE claim.

> Then we can always consider who it is that gets all those guns illegally
> imported.

There is no 'all those guns'

> Probably people who don't want the government to know they have a gun,
> or couldn't own one if the government knew of it.

> "It tracks unregistered guns seized by law enforcement agencies."
> "Less than 2 per cent of long-barrel guns and between 4 and 17 per cent
> of handguns had been smuggled into Australia."

So there is no 'all those guns'

> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/source-of-illicit-guns-in-australia/6483762#:~:text=Less%20than%202%20per%20cent,had%20been%20smuggled%20into%20Australia.

> and since this only shows the ones detected.. the number of people who
> have obtained such illegal guns would be increasing..

Your leaders are colour blind.

Well nobody cares about COVID-19 anymore, so he has jumped on the
anti-trans bandwagon.