On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fran"
>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>   from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>>> 1996,
>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>>>> 2006,
>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> You've missed the point.  But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>> people who did the report.  They put forward a straw man to justify
>>>>> wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>
>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>>> spree.  The buy back had overwhelming public support and it
>>>>> achieved what  it was supposed to do which was to stop another mass
>>>>> murder event in Australia.
>>>>
>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>
>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point!  THAT mass murder was NOT
>> from guns!!!!!!   4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>
> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill them
> by other means then no one cares?
>
>
>
**On the contrary. Australians DO care. Unlike Americans who clearly
don't give a fuck how many of their fellow Americans are shot to death
every year. Americans don't care about the epidemic of school shootings.
Americans don't see the link between weak, haphazard gun control laws
and the obscene numbers of Americans killed by bullets each and every year.

Australians do care.

If you morons are happy with 10,000 of your fellow Americans being shot
to death every year, then don't change your gun control laws. They're
working just fine.

OTOH, if you do care about the children and other innocents who are shot
to death each year, then tell your law makers to adopt similar gun
control laws to Australian ones.

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On 28/03/2023 11:50 pm, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
>> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
>>> significantly changed in Australia.
>>
>> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" .... or where
>> you get them from!!
>>
>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder
>>> in Australian history.. and they still have their guns.
>>
>> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??
>
> Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?

**Not ONE SINGLE member of the Australian Federal government has ever
committed mass murder, you lying shit for brains.

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On 29/03/2023 4:01 am, Scout wrote:

>
> Mass murders with a firearm were rare in Australia before Port Author

**That would be Port Arthur you moron. AND mass murders committed via
the use of firearms were not unknown prior to 1996:

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html

> and they are still rare in Australia today.

**Of course they are rare today, you fucking idiot. The 1996 gun control
laws have dramatically reduced the incidence of mass murders, committed
via the use of firearms in Australia.

Why do you continue to ignore the facts?

Not seeing any change in
> that much less the causality you keep trying to assert.

**On the contrary, you fucking moron, there have been significant
reductions in the incidence of mass murder, committed via the use of
firearms in Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were implemented.

You may continue to wallow in your perpetual ignorance, you dumb
shit-for-brains.

School shootings are unknown in Australia. The US has enjoyed it's 89th
school shooting so far this year.

All while gun loons protest that gun laws should remain unchanged.
Fucking idiots.

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Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
its stinking arse.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:38:52 -0700 (PDT), McCoy <mccoyrufus@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Our govt is lying to us !!!!
>Firstly, the subs will be under US control. As Turnbull said, unless we can operate everything on baord with Aust. personnel, we are not in control !!!!
>Secondly, the subs will be nuclear armed. No one can believe that you spend hundreds of billions to acquire a sub that stays underwater for months, but not nuclear arm it ?? A few decades ago, NZ disallowed US nuclear ships and subs to dock in their country. The US then claimed that the ships/subs don't carry nuclear weapons; and people said, "you want us to believe that you don't carry nuclear weapons, and if trouble arises you will sail 10,000 kms back to the US to load your nuclear missiles ??"

They may be hunter/killers. Designed to torpedo Chink subs.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 14:13:46 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:38:52 -0700 (PDT), McCoy <mccoyrufus@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Our govt is lying to us !!!!
>>Firstly, the subs will be under US control. As Turnbull said, unless we can operate everything on baord with Aust. personnel, we are not in control !!!!
>>Secondly, the subs will be nuclear armed. No one can believe that you spend hundreds of billions to acquire a sub that stays underwater for months, but not nuclear arm it ?? A few decades ago, NZ disallowed US nuclear ships and subs to dock in their country. The US then claimed that the ships/subs don't carry nuclear weapons; and people said, "you want us to believe that you don't carry nuclear weapons, and if trouble arises you will sail 10,000 kms back to the US to load your nuclear missiles ??"
>
>They may be hunter/killers. Designed to torpedo Chink subs.

Also..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_submarine

On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Fran"
>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>   from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>>>> 1996,
>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54
>>>>>>> in 2006,
>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've missed the point.  But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>> people who did the report.  They put forward a straw man to
>>>>>> justify wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>>>> spree.  The buy back had overwhelming public support and it
>>>>>> achieved what  it was supposed to do which was to stop another
>>>>>> mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>
>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point!  THAT mass murder was NOT
>>> from guns!!!!!!   4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill
>> them by other means then no one cares?

Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why I
put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia introduced the
gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.

Therefore you fucking retard, a mass murder event that occurred in
Australia in a domestic situation 14 months later with 4 slashed throats
and the suicide of the perp is YOU missing the point for the buy back of
GUNS!!!!!!!

> **On the contrary. Australians DO care. Unlike Americans who clearly
> don't give a fuck how many of their fellow Americans are shot to death
> every year. Americans don't care about the epidemic of school shootings.
> Americans don't see the link between weak, haphazard gun control laws
> and the obscene numbers of Americans killed by bullets each and every year.

Indeed.

> Australians do care.
>
> If you morons are happy with 10,000 of your fellow Americans being shot
> to death every year, then don't change your gun control laws. They're
> working just fine.
>
> OTOH, if you do care about the children and other innocents who are shot
> to death each year, then tell your law makers to adopt similar gun
> control laws to Australian ones.

On 29/03/2023 8:19 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 29/03/2023 4:01 am, Scout wrote:
>
>>
>> Mass murders with a firearm were rare in Australia before Port Author
>
> **That would be Port Arthur you moron. AND mass murders committed via
> the use of firearms were not unknown prior to 1996:
>
> https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html
>
>
>
>
>> and they are still rare in Australia today.
>
> **Of course they are rare today, you fucking idiot. The 1996 gun control
> laws have dramatically reduced the incidence of mass murders, committed
> via the use of firearms in Australia.
>
> Why do you continue to ignore the facts?
>
>  Not seeing any change in
>> that much less the causality you keep trying to assert.
>
> **On the contrary, you fucking moron, there have been significant
> reductions in the incidence of mass murder, committed via the use of
> firearms in Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were implemented.
>
> You may continue to wallow in your perpetual ignorance, you dumb
> shit-for-brains.
>
> School shootings are unknown in Australia. The US has enjoyed it's 89th
> school shooting so far this year.

I knew the US averaged more than one mass shooting per week but 89
SCHOOL SHOOTINGS so far this year!!!!!!!!

> All while gun loons protest that gun laws should remain unchanged.
> Fucking idiots.

Yep. Retards. Thank God even our Sporting Shooters aren't as bad as
some of the tpg loons.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 14:13:46 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:38:52 -0700 (PDT), McCoy <mccoyrufus@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Our govt is lying to us !!!!
>>Firstly, the subs will be under US control. As Turnbull said, unless we can operate everything on baord with Aust. personnel, we are not in control !!!!
>>Secondly, the subs will be nuclear armed. No one can believe that you spend hundreds of billions to acquire a sub that stays underwater for months, but not nuclear arm it ?? A few decades ago, NZ disallowed US nuclear ships and subs to dock in their country. The US then claimed that the ships/subs don't carry nuclear weapons; and people said, "you want us to believe that you don't carry nuclear weapons, and if trouble arises you will sail 10,000 kms back to the US to load your nuclear missiles ??"
>
>They may be hunter/killers. Designed to torpedo Chink subs.
>
Only if the US says they can.
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you
eventually run out of other people's money.

Scout wrote on 28/03/2023 11:50 pm:
>
>
> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
>> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
>>> significantly changed in Australia.
>>
>> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" .... or where
>> you get them from!!
>>
>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder
>>> in Australian history.. and they still have their guns.
>>
>> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??
>
> Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?

Umm!! Let me think!! The Federal Government got us into various
Wars/"Police Actions" in which Australians died .... but they are not
'mass murders' are they??

Governments make the laws that the Police enforce ... and, I suppose the
Police have been involved in actions were several Perps/Police have been
shot ... but they are not 'mass murders' are they??

So I give up!! What 'mass murders' have the Government been involved in??
--
Daniel

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12jj00fvbyq249@pvr2.lan...
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
> its stinking arse.

Rod want to talk to me, until I spank his ass with facts and reason .. and
then suddenly he doesn't want to talk any more.

"Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
wrote in message news:u00av7$3me2$1@dont-email.me...
> On 29/03/2023 8:19 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 29/03/2023 4:01 am, Scout wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Mass murders with a firearm were rare in Australia before Port Author
>>
>> **That would be Port Arthur you moron. AND mass murders committed via the
>> use of firearms were not unknown prior to 1996:
>>
>> https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html
>>> and they are still rare in Australia today.
>>
>> **Of course they are rare today, you fucking idiot. The 1996 gun control
>> laws have dramatically reduced the incidence of mass murders, committed
>> via the use of firearms in Australia.
>>
>> Why do you continue to ignore the facts?
>>
>> Not seeing any change in
>>> that much less the causality you keep trying to assert.
>>
>> **On the contrary, you fucking moron, there have been significant
>> reductions in the incidence of mass murder, committed via the use of
>> firearms in Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were implemented.
>>
>> You may continue to wallow in your perpetual ignorance, you dumb
>> shit-for-brains.
>>
>> School shootings are unknown in Australia. The US has enjoyed it's 89th
>> school shooting so far this year.
>
> I knew the US averaged more than one mass shooting per week but 89 SCHOOL
> SHOOTINGS so far this year!!!!!!!!

Yep, and gun control has ONLY made it worse.

After all, kids USE to drive to school when guns in their vehicles.. they
would even be in the widows for all to see... and school shootings were all
but non-existent.

Now, we have all these laws, regulations, prohibitions, restrictions,
conditions, etc... and school shootings are increasing..

Maybe the guns aren't the problem?

Otherwise.. why didn't we have lots of school shootings when students
brought their guns to school?

"Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>>>>> 1996,
>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>>>>>> 2006,
>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>> people who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify
>>>>>>> wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>>>>> spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved
>>>>>>> what it was supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder
>>>>>>> event in Australia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>
>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was NOT
>>>> from guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill them
>>> by other means then no one cares?
>
> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why I put
> you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia introduced the gunbuy
> back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.

Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population, and yet mass murder
with guns still occurs.

I will simply note that if laws stopped crime.. murder would never occur.

Someone intent on mass murder is NOT going to care whether their weapon is
illegal.. it's not even going to stop them from obtaining one.

Your problem is you see the gun as the problem.. but since it's not trying
to control that symptom doesn't address the issue.

PEOPLE commit crimes.. not objects.

>
> Therefore you fucking retard, a mass murder event that occurred in
> Australia in a domestic situation 14 months later with 4 slashed throats
> and the suicide of the perp is YOU missing the point for the buy back of
> GUNS!!!!!!!

So? You said the buyback ended mass murders... You were wrong. Heck, you
were even wrong that there have been no mass murders with guns since.

Meanwhile, I would note that New Zealand has a similar reduction in mass
murders with guns.. and they hadn't changed ANYTHING.

Unless you can establish causality.. all you have is a correlation and not
even one that extends outside your ONE isolated case.

Sorry, but your assertions that the gun buy back CAUSED a reduction in mass
murders, even with guns, is unsupported by the overall evidence. After all
Jamaica has gun control of the type that liberal gun grabbers like you could
only dream of.. and yet gun related crimes are through the roof.

How do you explain that if gun control is the solution to crimes with guns?

Maybe the real problem isn't the guns, and until you realize that you will
never have any meaningful results.

"Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:u00kpl$5dhi$1@dont-email.me...
> Scout wrote on 28/03/2023 11:50 pm:
>>
>>
>> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
>>>> significantly changed in Australia.
>>>
>>> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" .... or where
>>> you get them from!!
>>>
>>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder
>>>> in Australian history.. and they still have their guns.
>>>
>>> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??
>>
>> Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?
>
> Umm!! Let me think!! The Federal Government got us into various
> Wars/"Police Actions" in which Australians died .... but they are not
> 'mass murders' are they??
>
> Governments make the laws that the Police enforce ... and, I suppose the
> Police have been involved in actions were several Perps/Police have been
> shot ... but they are not 'mass murders' are they??
>
> So I give up!! What 'mass murders' have the Government been involved in??

Wow.. you're really that ignorant of the history of the aborigines.....

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 16:58:21 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 14:13:46 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:38:52 -0700 (PDT), McCoy <mccoyrufus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Our govt is lying to us !!!!
>>> Firstly, the subs will be under US control. As Turnbull said, unless
>>> we can operate everything on baord with Aust. personnel, we are not in
>>> control !!!!
>>> Secondly, the subs will be nuclear armed. No one can believe that you
>>> spend hundreds of billions to acquire a sub that stays underwater for
>>> months, but not nuclear arm it ?? A few decades ago, NZ disallowed US
>>> nuclear ships and subs to dock in their country. The US then claimed
>>> that the ships/subs don't carry nuclear weapons; and people said, "you
>>> want us to believe that you don't carry nuclear weapons, and if
>>> trouble arises you will sail 10,000 kms back to the US to load your
>>> nuclear missiles ??"
>>
>> They may be hunter/killers. Designed to torpedo Chink subs.
>>
> Only if the US says they can.

BULLSHIT.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:10:59 +1100, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

> Scout wrote on 28/03/2023 11:50 pm:
>> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
>>>> significantly changed in Australia.
>>>
>>> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" .... or where
>>> you get them from!!
>>>
>>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder
>>>> in Australian history.. and they still have their guns.
>>>
>>> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??
>> Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?
>
> Umm!! Let me think!! The Federal Government got us into various
> Wars/"Police Actions" in which Australians died .... but they are not
> 'mass murders' are they??
>
> Governments make the laws that the Police enforce ... and, I suppose the
> Police have been involved in actions were several Perps/Police have been
> shot ...

Hardly ever.

> but they are not 'mass murders' are they??

> So I give up!! What 'mass murders' have the Government been involved in??

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
its stinking arse.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 23:56:42 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fran"
>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>>>>>> 1996,
>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54
>>>>>>>>> in 2006,
>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>>> people who did the report. They put forward a straw man to
>>>>>>>> justify wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>>>>>> spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support and it
>>>>>>>> achieved what it was supposed to do which was to stop another
>>>>>>>> mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was NOT
>>>>> from guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill
>>>> them by other means then no one cares?
>>
>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why I
>> put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia introduced the
>> gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.

> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population,

We have not been disarmed. Over half
of those I know still have legal guns.

> and yet mass murder with guns still occurs.

Not here they dont.

> I will simply note that if laws stopped crime.. murder would never occur.

> Someone intent on mass murder is NOT going to care whether their weapon
> is illegal.. it's not even going to stop them from obtaining one.

Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.

> Your problem is you see the gun as the problem.. but since it's not
> trying to control that symptom doesn't address the issue.

Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.

> PEOPLE commit crimes.. not objects.

Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.

>> Therefore you fucking retard, a mass murder event that occurred in
>> Australia in a domestic situation 14 months later with 4 slashed
>> throats and the suicide of the perp is YOU missing the point for the
>> buy back of GUNS!!!!!!!

> So? You said the buyback ended mass murders...

It wasnt just the buyback, it was also the other new gun controls as well.

And we were discussing mass murder BY GUN not all mass murder.

> You were wrong.

Nope, you were, stupidly waving around mass murder with a knife.

> Heck, you were even wrong that there have been no mass murders with guns
> since.

Nope, not when were are discussing mass murder
of those not known to the mass murderer, with guns.

> Meanwhile, I would note that New Zealand has a similar reduction in mass
> murders with guns.. and they hadn't changed ANYTHING.

They haven't had any mass murders of those
not known to the murderer with guns either.

<reams of even sillier shit and lies flushed where they belong>

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12kuu4e3byq249@pvr2.lan...
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
> its stinking arse.

And suddenly Rod doesn't want to discuss his spanking....

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12kvbckabyq249@pvr2.lan...
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 23:56:42 +1100, Scout
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>>>>>>> 1996,
>>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>>>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54
>>>>>>>>>> in 2006,
>>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>>>> people who did the report. They put forward a straw man to
>>>>>>>>> justify wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>>>>>>> spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support and it
>>>>>>>>> achieved what it was supposed to do which was to stop another
>>>>>>>>> mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was NOT
>>>>>> from guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill
>>>>> them by other means then no one cares?
>>>
>>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why I
>>> put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia introduced the
>>> gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.
>
>> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population,
>
> We have not been disarmed. Over half
> of those I know still have legal guns.

Then why did you have the buyback?

After all, according to just as many people own guns and can use those guns
in crime.

>> and yet mass murder with guns still occurs.
>
> Not here they dont.

And now you're just lying because they have.

>> I will simply note that if laws stopped crime.. murder would never occur.
>
>> Someone intent on mass murder is NOT going to care whether their weapon
>> is illegal.. it's not even going to stop them from obtaining one.
>
> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.

So murder is acceptable as long as you're known to the murderer???

What fucked up, crap thinking is that?

>> Your problem is you see the gun as the problem.. but since it's not
>> trying to control that symptom doesn't address the issue.
>
> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.

So mass murder of strangers is acceptable, just as long as you don't use a
gun?

I mean it's so much nicer to be burned alive, right?

Maybe you need to ban matches next?

Meanwhile I will simply point out that they do still occur. 2019 Darwin
shooting.

>> PEOPLE commit crimes.. not objects.
>
> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.

Why should I try to explain a lie?

>>> Therefore you fucking retard, a mass murder event that occurred in
>>> Australia in a domestic situation 14 months later with 4 slashed
>>> throats and the suicide of the perp is YOU missing the point for the
>>> buy back of GUNS!!!!!!!
>
>> So? You said the buyback ended mass murders...
>
> It wasnt just the buyback, it was also the other new gun controls as well.

So the gun buyback did nothing?

> And we were discussing mass murder BY GUN not all mass murder.

I see.. mass murder is perfectly fine and acceptable just as long as a gun
isn't involved.. I don't accept that, but somehow you believe that being
slowly burned alive is better.

>> You were wrong.
>
> Nope, you were, stupidly waving around mass murder with a knife.

They are dead.. do you think they cared at all what weapon was used to
murder them?

>> Heck, you were even wrong that there have been no mass murders with guns
>> since.
>
> Nope, not when were are discussing mass murder
> of those not known to the mass murderer, with guns.

Sorry, but your attempting to change the conditions to focus ONLY on one
specific area shows just how lame your position is.

Your position:

Mass murder is perfectly acceptable as long as you either know your victims
or kill them by some means other than using a gun.

Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being acceptable
by any rational individual.

Which probably explains why you do.

>> Meanwhile, I would note that New Zealand has a similar reduction in mass
>> murders with guns.. and they hadn't changed ANYTHING.
>
> They haven't had any mass murders of those
> not known to the murderer with guns either.

Man, must suck being as ignorant and stupid as you are.

> <reams of even sillier shit and lies flushed where they belong>

When are you going to flush your shit and lies then?

On 29/03/2023 11:43 pm, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12jj00fvbyq249@pvr2.lan...
>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
>> its stinking arse.
>
> Rod want to talk to me, until I spank his ass with facts and reason ..
> and then suddenly he doesn't want to talk any more.

**Despite your homo-erotic fantasies about Rod (not that there is
anything wrong with that), you would know facts and reason, even when
presented to you.

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On 30/03/2023 5:25 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 29/03/2023 11:43 pm, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:op.12jj00fvbyq249@pvr2.lan...
>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
>>> its stinking arse.
>>
>> Rod want to talk to me, until I spank his ass with facts and reason ..
>> and then suddenly he doesn't want to talk any more.
>
> **Despite your homo-erotic fantasies about Rod (not that there is
> anything wrong with that), you would know facts and reason, even when
> presented to you.
>

**Oops. Should read: ".....you WOULDN'T know...."

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On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12kvbckabyq249@pvr2.lan...
>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 23:56:42 +1100, Scout
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fran"
>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>>>   from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1
>>>>>>>>>>> in 1996,
>>>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained
>>>>>>>>>>> constant (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013,
>>>>>>>>>>> rates were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for
>>>>>>>>>>> nonfirearm suicide
>>>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to
>>>>>>>>>>> 9.54 in 2006,
>>>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others
>>>>>>>>>>> or themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You've missed the point.  But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>>>>> people who did the report.  They put forward a straw man to
>>>>>>>>>> justify wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass
>>>>>>>>>> murder event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a
>>>>>>>>>> shooting spree.  The buy back had overwhelming public support
>>>>>>>>>> and it achieved what  it was supposed to do which was to stop
>>>>>>>>>> another mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point!  THAT mass murder was
>>>>>>> NOT from guns!!!!!!   4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill
>>>>>> them by other means then no one cares?
>>>>
>>>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why
>>>> I put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia
>>>> introduced the gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.
>>
>>> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population,
>>
>> We have not been disarmed. Over half
>> of those I know still have legal guns.
>
> Then why did you have the buyback?

**The buyback was to remove as many firearms that were deemed to be
particularly dangerous to humans, but leaving those firearms that were
useful to those who wanted them for various purposes (elimination of
feral and pest animals, target shooting, hunting, etc).

>
> After all, according to just as many people own guns and can use those
> guns in crime.

**Huh? Please read and re-phrase your words such a native English
speaker can understand.

>
>>> and yet mass murder with guns still occurs.
>>
>> Not here they dont.
>
> And now you're just lying because they have.

**The reduction of mass murders committed via the use of firearms has
been dramatically reduced.

>
>
>>> I will simply note that if laws stopped crime.. murder would never
>>> occur.
>>
>>> Someone intent on mass murder is NOT going to care whether their
>>> weapon is illegal.. it's not even going to stop them from obtaining one.
>>
>> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
>> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.
>
> So murder is acceptable as long as you're known to the murderer???

**That would be YOUR strawman. You built it, you burn it down.

>
> What fucked up, crap thinking is that?

**It was YOUR thinking. SOP for a fucked up thinker like you.

>
>
>>> Your problem is you see the gun as the problem.. but since it's not
>>> trying to control that symptom doesn't address the issue.
>>
>> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
>> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.
>
> So mass murder of strangers is acceptable, just as long as you don't use
> a gun?

**Again: YOUR strawman.

>
> I mean it's so much nicer to be burned alive, right?

**Again: YOUR strawman.

For the record: The 1996 gun control laws were expressly designed to
reduce the incidence of mass murder, committed via the use of firearms.
In that sense, the laws have been shown to be extremely successful.

>
> Maybe you need to ban matches next?

**Better to ban gun loons.

>
> Meanwhile I will simply point out that they do still occur. 2019 Darwin
> shooting.

**Sure. Just as laws that are designed to address drunk driving, people
still drive drunk. Ditto, the laws surrounding bank robberies. Laws do
not PREVENT all crimes. Laws REDUCE the incidence of those crimes.

>
>
>>> PEOPLE commit crimes.. not objects.
>>
>> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
>> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.
>
> Why should I try to explain a lie?

**Not a lie.

>
>
>>>> Therefore you fucking retard, a mass murder event that occurred in
>>>> Australia in a domestic situation 14 months later with 4 slashed
>>>> throats and the suicide of the perp is YOU missing the point for the
>>>> buy back of GUNS!!!!!!!
>>
>>> So? You said the buyback ended mass murders...
>>
>> It wasnt just the buyback, it was also the other new gun controls as
>> well.
>
> So the gun buyback did nothing?

**We have no way of knowing. The 1996 gun control laws, were a
comprehensive SUITE of laws, backed by strong checks and balances.

On 29/03/2023 11:56 pm, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fran"
>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>   from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1
>>>>>>>>> in 1996,
>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for
>>>>>>>>> nonfirearm suicide
>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54
>>>>>>>>> in 2006,
>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've missed the point.  But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>>> people who did the report.  They put forward a straw man to
>>>>>>>> justify wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>>>>>> spree.  The buy back had overwhelming public support and it
>>>>>>>> achieved what  it was supposed to do which was to stop another
>>>>>>>> mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point!  THAT mass murder was NOT
>>>>> from guns!!!!!!   4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill
>>>> them by other means then no one cares?
>>
>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why I
>> put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia introduced
>> the gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.
>
> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population, and yet mass murder
> with guns still occurs.

**The 1996 Australian gun control laws did not disarm the population.

>
> I will simply note that if laws stopped crime.. murder would never occur.

**So, based on your insane view of the world, we should not bother with
laws that seek to prevent:

* Drunk driving.
* Bank robberies.
* Murder.
* Fraud.
* Etc.

Is it you claim that, because a law does not completely eliminate a
crime, then we should not bother with that law?

The facts are very simple: Prior to 1996, Australia suffered a number of
mass murders, committed via the use of firearms. After the 1996 gun
control laws were implemented, the incidence of mass murder, committed
via the use of firearms was DRAMATICALLY reduced.

>
> Someone intent on mass murder is NOT going to care whether their weapon
> is illegal.. it's not even going to stop them from obtaining one.

**Prove it.

>
> Your problem is you see the gun as the problem.. but since it's not
> trying to control that symptom doesn't address the issue.

**That would be your strawman. AFAIK, Fran owns firearms. Clearly, she
does not see firearms, per se, as a problem. It is the ease with which
people can obtain firearms and the particular types of firearms that is
the problem.

>
> PEOPLE commit crimes.. not objects.

**Indeed. Which is why restricting the availability of certain objects
is a good thing. Some people should NEVER have access to firearms.

>
>
>
>>
>> Therefore you fucking retard, a mass murder event that occurred in
>> Australia in a domestic situation 14 months later with 4 slashed
>> throats and the suicide of the perp is YOU missing the point for the
>> buy back of GUNS!!!!!!!
>
> So? You said the buyback ended mass murders... You were wrong. Heck, you
> were even wrong that there have been no mass murders with guns since.
>
> Meanwhile, I would note that New Zealand has a similar reduction in mass
> murders with guns.. and they hadn't changed ANYTHING.

**Liar. New Zealand has introduced very tough restrictions on firearms,
as a response to their recent mass murder event.

>
> Unless you can establish causality.. all you have is a correlation and
> not even one that extends outside your ONE isolated case.

**Strawman. In the years prior to 1996, Australia experienced a number
of mass murders, committed via the use of firearms. After the 1996 gun
control laws were implemented, mass murder, committed via the use of
firearms has been dramatically reduced.

>
> Sorry, but your assertions that the gun buy back CAUSED a reduction in
> mass murders, even with guns, is unsupported by the overall evidence.

**Wrong. All evidence suggests that the 1996 gun control laws DID cause
a reduction in mass murders, committed via the use of firearms.

If not, then YOU need to tell us why mass murders, committed via the use
of firearms, was so dramatically reduced.

> After all Jamaica has gun control of the type that liberal gun grabbers
> like you could only dream of.. and yet gun related crimes are through
> the roof.

**Jamaica is a third world shithole. Like the US.

>
> How do you explain that if gun control is the solution to crimes with guns?

**Examine the rates of mass murders, committed via the use of firearms
in Australia, before and after the 1996 gun control laws were implemented.

>
> Maybe the real problem isn't the guns, and until you realize that you
> will never have any meaningful results.

**Guns, per se, are not the problem. And no one ever claimed that they
were. The problem is access to those guns.

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Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Scout <me4guns@verizon.net> spewed just the mindless
shit thats always pouring from its stinking arse.