On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>
>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>> from its stinking arse.
>
> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in 1996,
> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39 in
> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were 0.72,
> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm suicide
> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in 2006,
> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>
> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or themselves.
>
> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
> attacked gun owners.
>
> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
> firearms-agreement.html>

You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation people
who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify wasting
time and money on that study you cite.

The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder event
when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting spree. The buy
back had overwhelming public support and it achieved what it was
supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder event in Australia.

The US has more than one mass murder a week.

If the Rand Corporation had bothered to spent a few nanoseconds thinking
about how the Australian experience (to use their own word) was "an
effective policy intervention with applicability to the United States"
they should have looked at mass murder events.

America is screwed in terms of mass murders.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:13:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 12:44:38 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:31:54 +1100, Ördög
>> <newsgroup.devil@Hell.Incorporated.biz> wrote:
>>
>>> ...obviously not the unholy Coalition of Country Morons and top end of
>>> town Lieberals in NSW. Nor do their subservient henchmen in the public
>>> service.
>>> ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
>>> *A Dangerous Man*
>>> /friendlyjordies, 1.01M subscribers,365,633 views 22 Mar 2023/
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXLP7p5HFw>
>>
>> Do you mean Gumbears and Koala Trees (or whatever).
>
>> What do koalas
>> taste like?
>
>Like chicken, stupid.

Do you mean they taste like stupid chickens? More tender?

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 08:20:55 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:13:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 12:44:38 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:31:54 +1100, Ördög
>>> <newsgroup.devil@Hell.Incorporated.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...obviously not the unholy Coalition of Country Morons and top end of
>>>> town Lieberals in NSW. Nor do their subservient henchmen in the public
>>>> service.
>>>> ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
>>>> *A Dangerous Man*
>>>> /friendlyjordies, 1.01M subscribers,365,633 views 22 Mar 2023/
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXLP7p5HFw>
>>>
>>> Do you mean Gumbears and Koala Trees (or whatever).
>>
>>> What do koalas
>>> taste like?
>>
>>Like chicken, stupid.
>>
>Made good hats for tourists, but you have to shoot them up the bum so
>as not to ruin the pelt.

Maybe they're breeding them in the depths of China.

I have noticed the absence of Skippy Meat at the local IGA
supermarket, whereas before there were shelves of it.
I was almost thrown out once for asking for whale meat.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:07:06 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:13:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 12:44:38 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:31:54 +1100, Ördög
>>> <newsgroup.devil@Hell.Incorporated.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...obviously not the unholy Coalition of Country Morons and top end of
>>>> town Lieberals in NSW. Nor do their subservient henchmen in the public
>>>> service.
>>>> ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
>>>> *A Dangerous Man*
>>>> /friendlyjordies, 1.01M subscribers,365,633 views 22 Mar 2023/
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXLP7p5HFw>
>>>
>>> Do you mean Gumbears and Koala Trees (or whatever).
>>
>>> What do koalas
>>> taste like?
>>
>> Like chicken, stupid.
>
> Do you mean they taste like stupid chickens?

Nope, stupid.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:09:42 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 08:20:55 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:13:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 12:44:38 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:31:54 +1100, Ördög
>>>> <newsgroup.devil@Hell.Incorporated.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...obviously not the unholy Coalition of Country Morons and top end
>>>>> of
>>>>> town Lieberals in NSW. Nor do their subservient henchmen in the
>>>>> public
>>>>> service.
>>>>> ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
>>>>> *A Dangerous Man*
>>>>> /friendlyjordies, 1.01M subscribers,365,633 views 22 Mar 2023/
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXLP7p5HFw>
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean Gumbears and Koala Trees (or whatever).
>>>
>>>> What do koalas
>>>> taste like?
>>>
>>> Like chicken, stupid.
>>>
>> Made good hats for tourists, but you have to shoot them up the bum so
>> as not to ruin the pelt.
>
> Maybe they're breeding them in the depths of China.
>
> I have noticed the absence of Skippy Meat at the local IGA
> supermarket, whereas before there were shelves of it.

They got drowned in the floods, stupid.

> I was almost thrown out once for asking for whale meat.

That's because you are morbidly obese, stupid.

Rod Speed wrote on 27/3/23 7:36 am:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:09:42 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 08:20:55 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

<Snip>

>>> Made good hats for tourists, but you have to shoot them up the
>>> bum so as not to ruin the pelt.
>>
>> Maybe they're breeding them in the depths of China.
>>
>> I have noticed the absence of Skippy Meat at the local IGA
>> supermarket, whereas before there were shelves of it.
>
> They got drowned in the floods, stupid.
>
>> I was almost thrown out once for asking for whale meat.
>
> That's because you are morbidly obese, stupid.

Look out, Peter, Roddles has been spying on you, apparently!! ;-P
--
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12b24zz0byq249@pvr2.lan...
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
> its stinking arse.

And the person posting as "Rod Speed" has acknowledged his inability to hold
a reasoned debate.

"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
news:tvm13m$22bgn$1@dont-email.me...
> In news:op.12b24zz0byq249@pvr2.lan, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> typed:
>
>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
>> its stinking arse.
>
> Scout, looks like you broke the "Rod Speed."

It's not hard.. Facts and Logic tends to do that to posters like Rod Speed.

>

"Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>
>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>> from its stinking arse.
>>
>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in 1996,
>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39 in
>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were
>> 0.72,
>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm suicide
>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in 2006,
>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>
>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>> themselves.
>>
>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>> attacked gun owners.
>>
>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>> firearms-agreement.html>
>
> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation people who
> did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify wasting time and
> money on that study you cite.
>
> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder event
> when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting spree. The buy
> back had overwhelming public support and it achieved what it was supposed
> to do which was to stop another mass murder event in Australia.

And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.

in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
significantly changed in Australia.

Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder in
Australian history.. and they still have their guns.

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
its stinking arse.

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
its stinking arse.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:04:23 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>
>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>
>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in 1996,
>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39 in
>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were
>>> 0.72,
>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>> suicide
>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>> 2006,
>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>
>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>> themselves.
>>>
>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>
>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>
>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation people
>> who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify wasting
>> time and money on that study you cite.
>>
>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder event
>> when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting spree. The
>> buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved what it was
>> supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder event in Australia.

> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.

Bullshit. Not only wasnt that BY GUN, it wasnt the murder of
those UNKNOWN TO THE MURDERER.

> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
> significantly changed in Australia.

Then you need new glasses, BAD.

> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder in
> Australian history..

Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

> and they still have their guns.

On 28/03/2023 1:54 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12b24zz0byq249@pvr2.lan...
>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
>> its stinking arse.
>
> And the person posting as "Rod Speed" has acknowledged his inability to
> hold a reasoned debate.
>
>

**Pot, kettle, black.

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 21:30:46 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Rod Speed wrote on 27/3/23 7:36 am:
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:09:42 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 08:20:55 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>
><Snip>
>
>>>> Made good hats for tourists, but you have to shoot them up the
>>>> bum so as not to ruin the pelt.
>>>
>>> Maybe they're breeding them in the depths of China.
>>>
>>> I have noticed the absence of Skippy Meat at the local IGA
>>> supermarket, whereas before there were shelves of it.
>>
>> They got drowned in the floods, stupid.
>>
>>> I was almost thrown out once for asking for whale meat.
>>
>> That's because you are morbidly obese, stupid.
>
>Look out, Peter, Roddles has been spying on you, apparently!! ;-P
It's dreadful what I have to put up with. It's stalking is what it
is. Too bad to be borne. He should stay home in his mud wallow with
all the other critters,.,.,
https://tinyurl.com/2nw59lmz

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12g3pzf3byq249@pvr2.lan...
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:04:23 +1100, Scout
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>
>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>
>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in 1996,
>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39 in
>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were
>>>> 0.72,
>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>> suicide
>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>> 2006,
>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>
>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>
>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation people
>>> who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify wasting
>>> time and money on that study you cite.
>>>
>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder event
>>> when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting spree. The
>>> buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved what it was
>>> supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder event in Australia.
>
>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>
> Bullshit. Not only wasnt that BY GUN, it wasnt the murder of
> those UNKNOWN TO THE MURDERER.

Oh, so as long as they didn't know the people and they didn't use a gun..
then any mass murder they committed is perfectly acceptable to you?

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 06:18:51 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12g3pzf3byq249@pvr2.lan...
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:04:23 +1100, Scout
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fran"
>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>> 1996,
>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39
>>>>> in
>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were
>>>>> 0.72,
>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>> suicide
>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>>> 2006,
>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>
>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>
>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation people
>>>> who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify wasting
>>>> time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>
>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>> spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved
>>>> what it was supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder
>>>> event in Australia.
>>
>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>
>> Bullshit. Not only wasnt that BY GUN, it wasnt the murder of
>> those UNKNOWN TO THE MURDERER.
>
> Oh, so as long as they didn't know the people and they didn't use a
> gun.. then any mass murder they committed is perfectly acceptable to
> you?

Nope, but it is completely irrelevant to GUN CONTROL, fuckwit child.

On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>
>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>   from its stinking arse.
>>>
>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in 1996,
>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39 in
>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were
>>> 0.72,
>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm suicide
>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in 2006,
>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>
>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>> themselves.
>>>
>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>
>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>
>> You've missed the point.  But then so has the Rand Corporation people
>> who did the report.  They put forward a straw man to justify wasting
>> time and money on that study you cite.
>>
>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder event
>> when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting spree.  The
>> buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved what  it was
>> supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder event in Australia.
>
> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>
> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
> significantly changed in Australia.

**Since the 1996 gun laws were implemented, there has been TWO mass
murder events using guns. By any measure, the 1996 gun laws can be
regarded as highly effective at reducing gun mass murders.

>
> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder in
> Australian history.. and they still have their guns.

**Not ONE SINGLE member of the Australian Federal government has ever
committed mass murder, you lying shit for brains.

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On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Fran"
>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>
>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>   from its stinking arse.
>>>>
>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in 1996,
>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39 in
>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were
>>>> 0.72,
>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>> suicide
>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>> 2006,
>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>
>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>
>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>
>>> You've missed the point.  But then so has the Rand Corporation people
>>> who did the report.  They put forward a straw man to justify wasting
>>> time and money on that study you cite.
>>>
>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>> spree.  The buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved
>>> what  it was supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder
>>> event in Australia.
>>
>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.

Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was NOT from
guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!

>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
>> significantly changed in Australia.
>
> **Since the 1996 gun laws were implemented, there has been TWO mass
> murder events using guns. By any measure, the 1996 gun laws can be
> regarded as highly effective at reducing gun mass murders.

I often wonder about the mentality of the American gun nutters. They
are so mature and so desperate to keep their toys that they can't
tolerate any mention of their toys being connected to the massacre of
people even when it relates to killings in another country. They are
even worse in their lack of empathy for their fellow countrymen being
murdered. They are callous, petulant and immature little boys knee
jerking to protect their toys.

>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder
>> in Australian history.. and they still have their guns.
>
> **Not ONE SINGLE member of the Australian Federal government has ever
> committed mass murder, you lying shit for brains.

Yep.

On 28/03/2023 9:08 am, Fran wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fran"
>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>   from its stinking arse.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in 1996,
>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>> suicide
>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>>> 2006,
>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>
>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>
>>>> You've missed the point.  But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>> people who did the report.  They put forward a straw man to justify
>>>> wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>
>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>> spree.  The buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved
>>>> what  it was supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder
>>>> event in Australia.
>>>
>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>
> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point!  THAT mass murder was NOT from
> guns!!!!!!   4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>
>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
>>> significantly changed in Australia.
>>
>> **Since the 1996 gun laws were implemented, there has been TWO mass
>> murder events using guns. By any measure, the 1996 gun laws can be
>> regarded as highly effective at reducing gun mass murders.
>
> I often wonder about the mentality of the American gun nutters.  They
> are so mature and so desperate to keep their toys that they can't
> tolerate any mention of their toys being connected to the massacre of
> people even when it relates to killings in another country.  They are
> even worse in their lack of empathy for their fellow countrymen being
> murdered. They are callous, petulant and immature little boys knee
> jerking to protect their toys.

**Well, yes, but I prefer to think of them as fucking morons.

>
>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder
>>> in Australian history.. and they still have their guns.
>>
>> **Not ONE SINGLE member of the Australian Federal government has ever
>> committed mass murder, you lying shit for brains.
>
> Yep.

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Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:

<Snip>

> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
> significantly changed in Australia.

Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" .... or where
you get them from!!

> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder
> in Australian history.. and they still have their guns.

"GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??

Are you suggesting that, as the Government passes laws which enables
people to *LEGALLY* purchase weapons for some *LEGAL* purpose, the
Government is also responsible for those weapons when they are used for
some illegal purpose??

If so, YOU ARE WRONG!!
--
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12hg2hyzbyq249@pvr2.lan...
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 06:18:51 +1100, Scout
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:op.12g3pzf3byq249@pvr2.lan...
>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:04:23 +1100, Scout
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fran"
>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>>> 1996,
>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were
>>>>>> 0.72,
>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>>>> 2006,
>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation people
>>>>> who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify wasting
>>>>> time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>
>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting spree.
>>>>> The buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved what it
>>>>> was supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder event in
>>>>> Australia.
>>>
>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Not only wasnt that BY GUN, it wasnt the murder of
>>> those UNKNOWN TO THE MURDERER.
>>
>> Oh, so as long as they didn't know the people and they didn't use a
>> gun.. then any mass murder they committed is perfectly acceptable to
>> you?
>
> Nope, but it is completely irrelevant to GUN CONTROL, fuckwit child.

So? You said there were NONE.. you lied.

So to be clear, your idea of gun control is to make something that is
illegal even more illegal in the hope that it being illegal will prevent the
crimes which were already illegal from happening because now it's illegal?

...or is it simpler than that... the victims aren't really dead unless a gun
was used?

"Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fran" <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in 1996,
>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant (1.39
>>>>> in
>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide, firearm
>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates were
>>>>> 0.72,
>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>> suicide
>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>>> 2006,
>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>
>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian fascists
>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>
>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation people
>>>> who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify wasting
>>>> time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>
>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder event
>>>> when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting spree. The
>>>> buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved what it was
>>>> supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder event in
>>>> Australia.
>>>
>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>
> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was NOT from
> guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!

Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill them by
other means then no one cares?

"Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>
> <Snip>
>
>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events hasn't
>> significantly changed in Australia.
>
> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" .... or where you
> get them from!!
>
>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of mass murder
>> in Australian history.. and they still have their guns.
>
> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??

Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 23:47:33 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12hg2hyzbyq249@pvr2.lan...
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 06:18:51 +1100, Scout
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.12g3pzf3byq249@pvr2.lan...
>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:04:23 +1100, Scout
>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>>>> 1996,
>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>>>>> 2006,
>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>> people who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify
>>>>>> wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>>>> spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support and it
>>>>>> achieved what it was supposed to do which was to stop another
>>>>>> mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>
>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Not only wasnt that BY GUN, it wasnt the murder of
>>>> those UNKNOWN TO THE MURDERER.
>>>
>>> Oh, so as long as they didn't know the people and they didn't use a
>>> gun.. then any mass murder they committed is perfectly acceptable to
>>> you?
>>
>> Nope, but it is completely irrelevant to GUN CONTROL, fuckwit child.

> So?

So your claim that there was another mass murder
INVOLVING GUNS after Port Arthur is a bare faced lie.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12ixpak6byq249@pvr2.lan...
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 23:47:33 +1100, Scout
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:op.12hg2hyzbyq249@pvr2.lan...
>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 06:18:51 +1100, Scout
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:op.12g3pzf3byq249@pvr2.lan...
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:04:23 +1100, Scout
>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1 in
>>>>>>>> 1996,
>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013, rates
>>>>>>>> were 0.72,
>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for nonfirearm
>>>>>>>> suicide
>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to 9.54 in
>>>>>>>> 2006,
>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>> people who did the report. They put forward a straw man to justify
>>>>>>> wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass murder
>>>>>>> event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a shooting
>>>>>>> spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support and it achieved
>>>>>>> what it was supposed to do which was to stop another mass murder
>>>>>>> event in Australia.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. Not only wasnt that BY GUN, it wasnt the murder of
>>>>> those UNKNOWN TO THE MURDERER.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so as long as they didn't know the people and they didn't use a
>>>> gun.. then any mass murder they committed is perfectly acceptable to
>>>> you?
>>>
>>> Nope, but it is completely irrelevant to GUN CONTROL, fuckwit child.
>
>> So?
>
> So your claim that there was another mass murder after Port Arthur is a
> bare faced truth.

I corrected your assertion to make it match what I said. Meanwhile you said,
and I quote you exactly, "it achieved what it was supposed to do which
was to stop another mass murder event in Australia."

Well it failed to do that as I showed.

You are the one trying to retroactively change your claim.

But ok, mass murder event in Australia WITH a gun....

Well it's failed to do that as well.

So what? Are you going to try to REVISE that as well?

Heck, I will note New Zealand did about as well, and they didn't enact any
gun control.

Further, even if we assume the cause and effect your attempting to assert..
it's not been REPLICATED. If you can't get the same result how can you claim
it caused X, Y or Z result?

Could just be a coincidence..

Certainly no one has ever showed that the change in your laws altered the
homicide or violent crime rates.

You are asserting causality.. but are presenting no proof, or even strong
evidence, of such causality.

Mass murders with a firearm were rare in Australia before Port Author and
they are still rare in Australia today. Not seeing any change in that much
less the causality you keep trying to assert.