On 30/03/2023 8:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 29/03/2023 11:56 pm, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Fran"
>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>>   from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1
>>>>>>>>>> in 1996,
>>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013,
>>>>>>>>>> rates were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for
>>>>>>>>>> nonfirearm suicide
>>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to
>>>>>>>>>> 9.54 in 2006,
>>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've missed the point.  But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>>>> people who did the report.  They put forward a straw man to
>>>>>>>>> justify wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass
>>>>>>>>> murder event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a
>>>>>>>>> shooting spree.  The buy back had overwhelming public support
>>>>>>>>> and it achieved what  it was supposed to do which was to stop
>>>>>>>>> another mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point!  THAT mass murder was
>>>>>> NOT from guns!!!!!!   4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill
>>>>> them by other means then no one cares?
>>>
>>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why
>>> I put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia introduced
>>> the gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.
>>
>> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population, and yet mass
>> murder with guns still occurs.
>
> **The 1996 Australian gun control laws did not disarm the population.

Indeed. But he'd know that if he wasn't obtuse or could do a google
search.

I owned more guns by the time the buy backs had finished than before
they started. Now I don't own a single gun as we no longer need them.
We are now retired and live in suburbia. In my gun owning days, we
owned a couple of farms and needed guns to euthanase various farm
animals and to rid the farms of vermin.

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 04:54:03 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12kvbckabyq249@pvr2.lan...
>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 23:56:42 +1100, Scout
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fran"
>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1
>>>>>>>>>>> in 1996,
>>>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013,
>>>>>>>>>>> rates were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for
>>>>>>>>>>> nonfirearm suicide
>>>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to
>>>>>>>>>>> 9.54 in 2006,
>>>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>>>>> people who did the report. They put forward a straw man to
>>>>>>>>>> justify wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass
>>>>>>>>>> murder event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a
>>>>>>>>>> shooting spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support
>>>>>>>>>> and it achieved what it was supposed to do which was to stop
>>>>>>>>>> another mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was
>>>>>>> NOT from guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill
>>>>>> them by other means then no one cares?
>>>>
>>>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why
>>>> I put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia introduced
>>>> the gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.
>>
>>> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population,
>>
>> We have not been disarmed. Over half
>> of those I know still have legal guns.

> Then why did you have the buyback?

To get what was no longer allowed
for the general public and what was no
longer legal for some to own crushed

>>> and yet mass murder with guns still occurs.

>> Not here they dont.

> And now you're just lying because they have.

Nope.

>>> I will simply note that if laws stopped crime.. murder would never
>>> occur.
>>
>>> Someone intent on mass murder is NOT going to care whether their
>>> weapon is illegal.. it's not even going to stop them from obtaining
>>> one.
>>
>> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
>> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.

> So murder is acceptable as long as you're known to the murderer???

Nope.

>>> Your problem is you see the gun as the problem.. but since it's not
>>> trying to control that symptom doesn't address the issue.

>> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
>> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.

<reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

On 30/03/2023 4:40 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12kuu4e3byq249@pvr2.lan...
>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring from
>> its stinking arse.
>
> And suddenly Rod doesn't want to discuss his spanking....

**Please stick to the topic and keep your homo-erotic fantasies to
yourself, or to the appropriate gay newsgroups.

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On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 08:19:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 29/03/2023 4:01 am, Scout wrote:
>
>> Mass murders with a firearm were rare in Australia before Port Author
>
> **That would be Port Arthur you moron. AND mass murders committed via
> the use of firearms were not unknown prior to 1996:
>
> https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html
>
>
>
>> and they are still rare in Australia today.
>
> **Of course they are rare today, you fucking idiot. The 1996 gun control
> laws have dramatically reduced the incidence of mass murders, committed
> via the use of firearms in Australia.
>
> Why do you continue to ignore the facts?
>
> Not seeing any change in
>> that much less the causality you keep trying to assert.
>
> **On the contrary, you fucking moron, there have been significant
> reductions in the incidence of mass murder, committed via the use of
> firearms in Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were implemented.
>
> You may continue to wallow in your perpetual ignorance, you dumb
> shit-for-brains.
>
> School shootings are unknown in Australia. The US has enjoyed it's 89th
> school shooting so far this year.

Where are you getting that number from ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/102158776

says its 39

> All while gun loons protest that gun laws should remain unchanged.
> Fucking idiots.
>
>

On 30/03/2023 11:34 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 08:19:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 29/03/2023 4:01 am, Scout wrote:
>>
>>>  Mass murders with a firearm were rare in Australia before Port Author
>>
>> **That would be Port Arthur you moron. AND mass murders committed via
>> the use of firearms were not unknown prior to 1996:
>>
>> https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html
>>
>>
>>
>>> and they are still rare in Australia today.
>>
>> **Of course they are rare today, you fucking idiot. The 1996 gun
>> control laws have dramatically reduced the incidence of mass murders,
>> committed via the use of firearms in Australia.
>>
>> Why do you continue to ignore the facts?
>>
>>   Not seeing any change in
>>> that much less the causality you keep trying to assert.
>>
>> **On the contrary, you fucking moron, there have been significant
>> reductions in the incidence of mass murder, committed via the use of
>> firearms in Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were implemented.
>>
>> You may continue to wallow in your perpetual ignorance, you dumb
>> shit-for-brains.
>>
>> School shootings are unknown in Australia. The US has enjoyed it's
>> 89th school shooting so far this year.
>
> Where are you getting that number from ?
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/102158776
>
> says its 39

**You are correct. I was misinformed.

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In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:

> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:

>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>> acceptable by any rational individual.

> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous gun
> control laws in the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>
>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:
>
>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>> acceptable by any rational individual.
>
>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous gun
>> control laws in the US?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
>
>

**Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a dictatorship.
Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull that
trick. The US is a Democracy. Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you
don't like. Sometimes, you shoot them.

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In news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:

> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:

>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.

>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous gun
>>> control laws in the US?

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a dictatorship....

Not yet. The people have more guns than the feds..

> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull that
> trick....

He never tried.

> ... The US is a Democracy....

Wrong.

> ... Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you don't like. Sometimes, you shoot
> them.

Not me-- Democrats or progressives.

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in
news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net:

> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>
>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:
>>
>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.
>>
>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous
gun
>>> control laws in the US?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
>>
>>
>
> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a dictatorship.

When Democrats are in power they think so.

> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull that
> trick. The US is a Democracy. Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you
> don't like. Sometimes, you shoot them.

Haven't seen many politicians shot lately. BTW, the US is a Republic.
Learn the difference.

On 30/03/2023 5:26 pm, max headroom wrote:
> In news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>
>> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:
>
>>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.
>
>>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous gun
>>>> control laws in the US?
>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
>
>> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a dictatorship....
>
> Not yet. The people have more guns than the feds..

**More does not equal better. One Warthog would decimate a whole bunch
of gun loons. The USAF has 700 of the suckers. 50 year old technology.
As would a single M1-Abrams. Then, of course is the SEVENTY year old
technology, that none of you gun loons could stop - The B52 bomber.

>
>> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull that
>> trick....
>
> He never tried.

**Yeah, he did.

>
>> ... The US is a Democracy....
>
> Wrong.

**Moron:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democracy-countries

https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic

Fuck me, Americans are as dumb as dog shit. They don't even know what a
Democracy is.

>
>> ... Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you don't like. Sometimes, you shoot
>> them.
>
> Not me-- Democrats or progressives.

**You shoot Democrats?

Typical. Violent cunt.

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On 30/03/2023 6:02 pm, Owen wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in
> news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>
>>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.
>>>
>>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous
> gun
>>>> control laws in the US?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a dictatorship.
>
> When Democrats are in power they think so.
>
>> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull that
>> trick. The US is a Democracy. Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you
>> don't like. Sometimes, you shoot them.
>
> Haven't seen many politicians shot lately.

**Nonetheless, it is a bad habit attributable to America and failed states:

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/violence-against-u-s-politicians-and-diplomats-fast-facts/index.html

BTW, the US is a Republic.
> Learn the difference.
>

**No, moron. YOU learn the difference:

https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democracy-countries

Stop arguing with people (much) smarter than you are.

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Scout wrote on 29/3/23 11:59 pm> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote in message
> news:u00kpl$5dhi$1@dont-email.me...
>> Scout wrote on 28/03/2023 11:50 pm:
>>> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>> news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>>>>
>>>> <Snip>
>>>>
>>>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events
>>>>> hasn't significantly changed in Australia.
>>>>
>>>> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" ....
>>>> or where you get them from!!
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of
>>>>> mass murder in Australian history.. and they still have their
>>>>> guns.
>>>>
>>>> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??
>>>
>>> Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?
>>
>> Umm!! Let me think!! The Federal Government got us into various
>> Wars/"Police Actions" in which Australians died .... but they are
>> not 'mass murders' are they??
>>
>> Governments make the laws that the Police enforce ... and, I
>> suppose the Police have been involved in actions were several
>> Perps/Police have been shot ... but they are not 'mass murders' are
>> they??
>>
>> So I give up!! What 'mass murders' have the Government been
>> involved in??
>
> Wow.. you're really that ignorant of the history of the
> aborigines.....

Well .... if I wanted to be obtuse or some-such, I could suggest that
there were NO MESS MURDERS of Aborigines in AUSTRALIA ...... however in
the COLONIES BEFORE AUSTRALIA was established .... that would be a
different situation!!
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Rod Speed wrote on 30/3/23 3:57 am:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:10:59 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> Scout wrote on 28/03/2023 11:50 pm:
>>> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>> news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>>>>
>>>> <Snip>
>>>>
>>>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events
>>>>> hasn't significantly changed in Australia.
>>>>
>>>> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" ....
>>>> or where you get them from!!
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of
>>>>> mass murder in Australian history.. and they still have their
>>>>> guns.
>>>>
>>>> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??
>>> Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?
>>
>> Umm!! Let me think!! The Federal Government got us into various
>> Wars/"Police Actions" in which Australians died .... but they are
>> not 'mass murders' are they??
>>
>> Governments make the laws that the Police enforce ... and, I
>> suppose the Police have been involved in actions were several
>> Perps/Police have been shot ...
>
> Hardly ever.

Correct.

>> but they are not 'mass murders' are they??
>
>> So I give up!! What 'mass murders' have the Government been
>> involved in??
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Daniel65 wrote on 30/3/23 9:11 pm:
> Scout wrote on 29/3/23 11:59 pm> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote in message
>> news:u00kpl$5dhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Scout wrote on 28/03/2023 11:50 pm:
>>>> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>>>>>
>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events
>>>>>> hasn't significantly changed in Australia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" ....
>>>>> or where you get them from!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of
>>>>>> mass murder in Australian history.. and they still have their
>>>>>> guns.
>>>>>
>>>>> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??
>>>>
>>>> Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?
>>>
>>> Umm!! Let me think!! The Federal Government got us into various
>>> Wars/"Police Actions" in which Australians died .... but they are
>>> not 'mass murders' are they??
>>>
>>> Governments make the laws that the Police enforce ... and, I
>>> suppose the Police have been involved in actions were several
>>> Perps/Police have been shot ... but they are not 'mass murders' are
>>> they??
>>>
>>> So I give up!! What 'mass murders' have the Government been
>>> involved in??
>>
>> Wow.. you're really that ignorant of the history of the
>> aborigines.....
>
> Well .... if I wanted to be obtuse or some-such, I could suggest that
> there were NO MESS MURDERS of Aborigines in AUSTRALIA ...... however in
> the COLONIES BEFORE AUSTRALIA was established .... that would be a
> different situation!!

s/"NO MESS MURDERS"/"NO MASS MURDERS" .... Don't ya just hate that?? ;-(
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12k9bjo7byq249@pvr2.lan...
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 04:54:03 +1100, Scout
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:op.12kvbckabyq249@pvr2.lan...
>>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 23:56:42 +1100, Scout
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fran"
>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to 11.1
>>>>>>>>>>>> in 1996,
>>>>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained constant
>>>>>>>>>>>> (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013,
>>>>>>>>>>>> rates were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for
>>>>>>>>>>>> nonfirearm suicide
>>>>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.54 in 2006,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others or
>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand Corporation
>>>>>>>>>>> people who did the report. They put forward a straw man to
>>>>>>>>>>> justify wasting time and money on that study you cite.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass
>>>>>>>>>>> murder event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a
>>>>>>>>>>> shooting spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support
>>>>>>>>>>> and it achieved what it was supposed to do which was to stop
>>>>>>>>>>> another mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was
>>>>>>>> NOT from guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you kill
>>>>>>> them by other means then no one cares?
>>>>>
>>>>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is why
>>>>> I put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia introduced
>>>>> the gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using GUNS.
>>>
>>>> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population,
>>>
>>> We have not been disarmed. Over half
>>> of those I know still have legal guns.
>
>> Then why did you have the buyback?
>
> To get what was no longer allowed
> for the general public and what was no
> longer legal for some to own crushed

And yet you tell us it served no purpose because over half the people you
know still have guns.. Which means they are still a potential danger.

>>>> and yet mass murder with guns still occurs.
>
>>> Not here they dont.
>
>> And now you're just lying because they have.
>
> Nope.

Sure it has. At least twice. Oh, sorry, I assumed you knew the facts of what
you were discussing.
Should have known better.

>>>> I will simply note that if laws stopped crime.. murder would never
>>>> occur.
>>>
>>>> Someone intent on mass murder is NOT going to care whether their
>>>> weapon is illegal.. it's not even going to stop them from obtaining
>>>> one.
>>>
>>> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
>>> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.
>
>> So murder is acceptable as long as you're known to the murderer???
>
> Nope.

Then your argument is without validity.

>>>> Your problem is you see the gun as the problem.. but since it's not
>>>> trying to control that symptom doesn't address the issue.
>
>>> Have fun explaining why we no longer have any mass
>>> murder of those not known to the murderer with guns.
>
> <reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

And just like that Rod doesn't want to talk about the topic or facts he
clearly doesn't want to hear.

In news:k8l0u6Fn00U1@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>
typed:

> On 30/03/2023 5:26 pm, max headroom wrote:
>> In news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:

>>>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.

>>>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous gun
>>>>> control laws in the US?

>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

>>> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a dictatorship....

>> Not yet. The people have more guns than the feds..

> **More does not equal better. One Warthog would decimate a whole bunch
> of gun loons. The USAF has 700 of the suckers. 50 year old technology.
> As would a single M1-Abrams. Then, of course is the SEVENTY year old
> technology, that none of you gun loons could stop - The B52 bomber.

What's your point? What good are they against insurgents?

>>> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull that
>>> trick....

>> He never tried.

> **Yeah, he did.

No, he didn't.

>>> ... The US is a Democracy....

>> Wrong.

> **Moron:

HINT: Precede your sig with two dashes rather than asterisks... and place it at
the end of your screeds.

> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democracy-countries

> https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic

> Fuck me,...

Agreed.

> ... Americans are as dumb as dog shit. They don't even know what a
> Democracy is.

Anyone can call itself a democracy. Hell, even Australia calls itself a
democracy, and it has a monarch!

Americans are proud that our founders designed a republic with a constitution
that is near-impossible to change and a bill of rights.

>>> ... Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you don't like. Sometimes, you shoot
>>> them.

>> Not me-- Democrats or progressives.

> **You shoot Democrats?

Sometimes I'm tempted.

> Typical. Violent cunt.

The violent cunts are the lefties/progressives/Democrats/wackos who tried and
sometimes succeeded in assassinating Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Ford, and
Reagan.

In news:u0465t$te3r$9@dont-email.me, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> typed:

> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12k9bjo7byq249@pvr2.lan...

>> <reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

> And just like that Rod doesn't want to talk about the topic or facts he
> clearly doesn't want to hear.

That happens a lot in aus.politics. Dogbreath and Fran will killfile you when
(not if) you make them looks foolish.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 01:01:42 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12k9bjo7byq249@pvr2.lan...
>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 04:54:03 +1100, Scout
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.12kvbckabyq249@pvr2.lan...
>>>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 23:56:42 +1100, Scout
>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.1 in 1996,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained
>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonfirearm suicide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.54 in 2006,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corporation people who did the report. They put forward a
>>>>>>>>>>>> straw man to justify wasting time and money on that study you
>>>>>>>>>>>> cite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass
>>>>>>>>>>>> murder event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support
>>>>>>>>>>>> and it achieved what it was supposed to do which was to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>> another mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was
>>>>>>>>> NOT from guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you
>>>>>>>> kill them by other means then no one cares?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is
>>>>>> why I put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia
>>>>>> introduced the gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using
>>>>>> GUNS.
>>>>
>>>>> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population,
>>>>
>>>> We have not been disarmed. Over half
>>>> of those I know still have legal guns.
>>
>>> Then why did you have the buyback?
>>
>> To get what was no longer allowed
>> for the general public and what was no
>> longer legal for some to own crushed

> And yet you tell us it served no purpose

Never did, you silly little pathological liar.

> because over half the people you know still have guns.. Which means they
> are still a potential danger.

And yet we have not seen even a single MASS MURDER
OF THOSE NOT KNOWN TO THE MURDER SINCE THEN.

It is never going to be possible to eliminate all murder by
guns, even if guns are banned completely and there was
never any intention to eliminate all murdery by guns.

<reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.12mpv6dvbyq249@pvr2.lan...
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 01:01:42 +1100, Scout
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:op.12k9bjo7byq249@pvr2.lan...
>>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 04:54:03 +1100, Scout
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:op.12kvbckabyq249@pvr2.lan...
>>>>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 23:56:42 +1100, Scout
>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.1 in 1996,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm suicide,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonfirearm suicide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.54 in 2006,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the Australian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fascists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corporation people who did the report. They put forward a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> straw man to justify wasting time and money on that study you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> murder event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting spree. The buy back had overwhelming public support
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it achieved what it was supposed to do which was to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder was
>>>>>>>>>> NOT from guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you
>>>>>>>>> kill them by other means then no one cares?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is
>>>>>>> why I put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia
>>>>>>> introduced the gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using
>>>>>>> GUNS.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have not been disarmed. Over half
>>>>> of those I know still have legal guns.
>>>
>>>> Then why did you have the buyback?
>>>
>>> To get what was no longer allowed
>>> for the general public and what was no
>>> longer legal for some to own crushed
>
>> And yet you tell us it served no purpose
>
> Never did, you silly little pathological liar.

I'm glad you could acknowledge the Australian gun buyback served no purpose
and never did.

On 30/03/2023 9:11 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Scout wrote on 29/3/23 11:59 pm> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote in message
>> news:u00kpl$5dhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Scout wrote on 28/03/2023 11:50 pm:
>>>> "Daniel65" <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:tvtsp4$3k158$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Scout wrote on 28/3/23 2:04 am:
>>>>>
>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> in fact it would appear as if the rate of mass murder events
>>>>>> hasn't significantly changed in Australia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me thinks you need to check the validity of your "facts" ....
>>>>> or where you get them from!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed the GOVERNMENT has been the biggest perpetrator of
>>>>>> mass murder in Australian history.. and they still have their
>>>>>> guns.
>>>>>
>>>>> "GOVERNMENT" ... "biggest perpetrator"??
>>>>
>>>> Yea.. or aren't you aware of Australian history?
>>>
>>> Umm!! Let me think!! The Federal Government got us into various
>>> Wars/"Police Actions" in which Australians died .... but they are
>>> not 'mass murders' are they??
>>>
>>> Governments make the laws that the Police enforce ... and, I
>>> suppose the Police have been involved in actions were several
>>> Perps/Police have been shot ... but they are not 'mass murders' are
>>> they??
>>>
>>> So I give up!! What 'mass murders' have the Government been
>>> involved in??
>>
>> Wow.. you're really that ignorant of the history of the
>> aborigines.....

LOL. Scout, you are one very ignorant bunny but yu sure are good for a
laugh.
>
> Well .... if I wanted to be obtuse or some-such, I could suggest that
> there were NO MESS MURDERS of Aborigines in AUSTRALIA ...... however in
> the COLONIES BEFORE AUSTRALIA was established .... that would be a
> different situation!!

:-))) You've got a live one on the hook now Daniel. Keep playing him....

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 06:20:56 +1100, Scout
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.12mpv6dvbyq249@pvr2.lan...
>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 01:01:42 +1100, Scout
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.12k9bjo7byq249@pvr2.lan...
>>>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 04:54:03 +1100, Scout
>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.12kvbckabyq249@pvr2.lan...
>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 23:56:42 +1100, Scout
>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>> wrote in message news:u00ao4$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2023 4:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 11:49 pm, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvt44l$3defm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 8:17 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2023 2:04 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Fran"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabeFran.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:tvo80g$2gqhi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/03/2023 6:59 pm, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2023, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.12clo9t7byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spewed just the mindless shit thats always pouring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from its stinking arse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rate of nonfirearm suicide rose from 7.66 in 1979 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.1 in 1996,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while rates of nonfirearm homicide generally remained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant (1.39 in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1979 to 1.19 in 1996). After 1996, rates of firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suicide, firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homicide, and nonfirearm homicide all decreased (in 2013,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates were 0.72,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.15, and 0.80, respectively). However, the trend for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonfirearm suicide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was more sporadic, increasing to 12.8 in 1998, dropping to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.54 in 2006,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and again trending upward to 10.62 in 1993.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So nothing really changed except the way people kill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others or themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the number of deaths increased after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Australian fascists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacked gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms-agreement.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've missed the point. But then so has the Rand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corporation people who did the report. They put forward a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straw man to justify wasting time and money on that study
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The gun buy back (NFA) in Australia happened after a mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murder event when a nutter used semi-auto weapons to go on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a shooting spree. The buy back had overwhelming public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support and it achieved what it was supposed to do which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was to stop another mass murder event in Australia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet.. 14 months later there was another mass murder.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet again ANOTHER moron misses the point! THAT mass murder
>>>>>>>>>>> was NOT from guns!!!!!! 4 slit throats and a suicide by
>>>>>>>>>>> gun!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, I see.. it's only really murder if you use a gun.. if you
>>>>>>>>>> kill them by other means then no one cares?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scout, I KNOW you are a dimwitted, fucking moron because that is
>>>>>>>> why I put you in my killfile, BUT you fucking moron, Australia
>>>>>>>> introduced the gunbuy back because of a mass murder event using
>>>>>>>> GUNS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, any excuse is enough to disarm the population,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have not been disarmed. Over half
>>>>>> of those I know still have legal guns.
>>>>
>>>>> Then why did you have the buyback?
>>>>
>>>> To get what was no longer allowed
>>>> for the general public and what was no
>>>> longer legal for some to own crushed
>>
>>> And yet you tell us it served no purpose
>>
>> Never did, you silly little pathological liar.
>
> I'm glad you could acknowledge the Australian gun buyback served no
> purpose and never did.

I never did anything of the sort, you silly little pathological liar.

The buyback clearly did get rid of lots of guns that plenty
no longer had any use for and which became illegal for
them to own once the gun laws changed. And got rid of
lot of guns that were never legal.

On 31/03/2023 3:50 am, max headroom wrote:
> In news:k8l0u6Fn00U1@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>
> typed:
>
>> On 30/03/2023 5:26 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>> In news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>>>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.
>
>>>>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous gun
>>>>>> control laws in the US?
>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
>
>>>> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a dictatorship....
>
>>> Not yet. The people have more guns than the feds..
>
>> **More does not equal better. One Warthog would decimate a whole bunch
>> of gun loons. The USAF has 700 of the suckers. 50 year old technology.
>> As would a single M1-Abrams. Then, of course is the SEVENTY year old
>> technology, that none of you gun loons could stop - The B52 bomber.
>
> What's your point? What good are they against insurgents?

**They're deadly against humans. Insurgents are humans.

>
>>>> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull that
>>>> trick....
>
>>> He never tried.
>
>> **Yeah, he did.
>
> No, he didn't.

**Yeah, he did:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/02/1084098799/trump-select-committee-capitol-insurrection-conspiracy

>
>>>> ... The US is a Democracy....
>
>>> Wrong.
>
>> **Moron:
>
> HINT: Precede your sig with two dashes rather than asterisks... and place it at
> the end of your screeds.
>
>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democracy-countries
>
>> https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic
>
>> Fuck me,...
>
> Agreed.
>
>> ... Americans are as dumb as dog shit. They don't even know what a
>> Democracy is.
>
> Anyone can call itself a democracy. Hell, even Australia calls itself a
> democracy, and it has a monarch!

**Yep. And the US is a Democracy, despite the claims from morons to the
contrary.

>
> Americans are proud that our founders designed a republic with a constitution
> that is near-impossible to change and a bill of rights.

**"Near impossible"? It has been altered TWENTY SEVEN times! That ain't
"near impossible". And the US is STILL a Democracy.

>
>>>> ... Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you don't like. Sometimes, you shoot
>>>> them.
>
>>> Not me-- Democrats or progressives.
>
>> **You shoot Democrats?
>
> Sometimes I'm tempted.

**Typical. Violent cunt.

>
>> Typical. Violent cunt.
>
> The violent cunts are the lefties/progressives/Democrats/wackos who tried and
> sometimes succeeded in assassinating Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Ford, and
> Reagan.

**Violent cunts come from all sides of politics.

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On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:48:15 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 31/03/2023 3:50 am, max headroom wrote:
>> In news:k8l0u6Fn00U1@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>
>> typed:
>>
>>> On 30/03/2023 5:26 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>>> In news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>>> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>>>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>>>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.
>>
>>>>>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and
>>>>>>> homogeneous gun
>>>>>>> control laws in the US?
>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
>>
>>>>> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a
>>>>> dictatorship....
>>
>>>> Not yet. The people have more guns than the feds..
>>
>>> **More does not equal better. One Warthog would decimate a whole bunch
>>> of gun loons. The USAF has 700 of the suckers. 50 year old technology.
>>> As would a single M1-Abrams. Then, of course is the SEVENTY year old
>>> technology, that none of you gun loons could stop - The B52 bomber.
>> What's your point? What good are they against insurgents?
>
> **They're deadly against humans. Insurgents are humans.
>
>>
>>>>> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull
>>>>> that
>>>>> trick....
>>
>>>> He never tried.
>>
>>> **Yeah, he did.
>> No, he didn't.

> Yeah, he did:

No he didn't.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

That is JUST wanting to be the new president, not a dictator.

> https://www.npr.org/2022/03/02/1084098799/trump-select-committee-capitol-insurrection-conspiracy

Ditto.

>>>>> ... The US is a Democracy....
>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>
>>> **Moron:
>> HINT: Precede your sig with two dashes rather than asterisks... and
>> place it at
>> the end of your screeds.
>>
>>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democracy-countries
>>
>>> https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic
>>
>>> Fuck me,...
>> Agreed.
>>
>>> ... Americans are as dumb as dog shit. They don't even know what a
>>> Democracy is.
>> Anyone can call itself a democracy. Hell, even Australia calls itself a
>> democracy, and it has a monarch!
>
> **Yep. And the US is a Democracy, despite the claims from morons to the
> contrary.
>
>> Americans are proud that our founders designed a republic with a
>> constitution
>> that is near-impossible to change and a bill of rights.
>
> **"Near impossible"? It has been altered TWENTY SEVEN times! That ain't
> "near impossible". And the US is STILL a Democracy.
>
>>
>>>>> ... Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you don't like. Sometimes,
>>>>> you shoot
>>>>> them.
>>
>>>> Not me-- Democrats or progressives.
>>
>>> **You shoot Democrats?
>> Sometimes I'm tempted.
>
> **Typical. Violent cunt.
>
>>
>>> Typical. Violent cunt.
>> The violent cunts are the lefties/progressives/Democrats/wackos who
>> tried and
>> sometimes succeeded in assassinating Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Ford,
>> and
>> Reagan.
>
> **Violent cunts come from all sides of politics.
>

On 31/03/2023 3:12 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:48:15 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 31/03/2023 3:50 am, max headroom wrote:
>>> In news:k8l0u6Fn00U1@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>
>>> typed:
>>>
>>>> On 30/03/2023 5:26 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>>>> In news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>>>> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>>>>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>>>>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.
>>>
>>>>>>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and
>>>>>>>> homogeneous gun
>>>>>>>> control laws in the US?
>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
>>>
>>>>>> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a
>>>>>> dictatorship....
>>>
>>>>> Not yet. The people have more guns than the feds..
>>>
>>>> **More does not equal better. One Warthog would decimate a whole bunch
>>>> of gun loons. The USAF has 700 of the suckers. 50 year old technology.
>>>> As would a single M1-Abrams. Then, of course is the SEVENTY year old
>>>> technology, that none of you gun loons could stop - The B52 bomber.
>>>  What's your point? What good are they against insurgents?
>>
>> **They're deadly against humans. Insurgents are humans.
>>
>>>
>>>>>> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> trick....
>>>
>>>>> He never tried.
>>>
>>>> **Yeah, he did.
>>>  No, he didn't.
>
>> Yeah, he did:
>
> No he didn't.

**He TRIED to be a dictator, but failed to do so. Like he failed at
almost everything else he has done in his life:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-59556/

Trump is a failed business man and a failure at becoming a dictator.

>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election
>
> That is JUST wanting to be the new president, not a dictator.

**He TRIED to be a dictator.

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In news:k8moufF797eU9@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:

> On 31/03/2023 3:50 am, max headroom wrote:
>> In news:k8l0u6Fn00U1@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>> On 30/03/2023 5:26 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>>> In news:k8kcfeFrvhjU2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>>> On 30/03/2023 1:12 pm, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>> In news:k8jp4rFov24U2@mid.individual.net, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> typed:
>>>>>>> On 30/03/2023 4:54 am, Scout wrote:

>>>>>>>> Sorry.. but I just don't see even that sort of mass murder being
>>>>>>>> acceptable by any rational individual.

>>>>>>> **Then why do you resist sensible, strong, cohesive and homogeneous gun
>>>>>>> control laws in the US?

>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

>>>>> **Last time I looked, the US was not operating under a dictatorship....

>>>> Not yet. The people have more guns than the feds..

>>> **More does not equal better. One Warthog would decimate a whole bunch
>>> of gun loons. The USAF has 700 of the suckers. 50 year old technology.
>>> As would a single M1-Abrams. Then, of course is the SEVENTY year old
>>> technology, that none of you gun loons could stop - The B52 bomber.

>> What's your point? What good are they against insurgents?

> **They're deadly against humans. Insurgents are humans.

Oh, I see.

So, what, are they gonna fly warthogs over stadia and shopping centers, strafing
anything that moves?

Perhaps 'insurgent' means something different in your backward country.

>>>>> Even your own, would be dictator, Donald Trump, was unable to pull that
>>>>> trick....

>>>> He never tried.

>>> **Yeah, he did.

>> No, he didn't.

> **Yeah, he did:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

Even the founder of Wikipedia says don't trust it, the pinkies have taken it
over.

> https://www.npr.org/2022/03/02/1084098799/trump-select-committee-capitol-insurrection-conspiracy

NPR is the voice of the DNC.

>>>>> ... The US is a Democracy....

>>>> Wrong.

>>> **Moron:

>> HINT: Precede your sig with two dashes rather than asterisks... and place it
>> at the end of your screeds.

>>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democracy-countries

>>> https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic

>>> Fuck me,...

>> Agreed.

>>> ... Americans are as dumb as dog shit. They don't even know what a
>>> Democracy is.

>> Anyone can call itself a democracy. Hell, even Australia calls itself a
>> democracy, and it has a monarch!

> **Yep. And the US is a Democracy, despite the claims from morons to the
> contrary.

We're better than that.

>> Americans are proud that our founders designed a republic with a constitution
>> that is near-impossible to change and a bill of rights.

> **"Near impossible"? It has been altered TWENTY SEVEN times! That ain't
> "near impossible"....

The first ten came all together. So that leaves seventeen in nearly 250 years.

> ... And the US is STILL a Democracy.

Aww, hold your breath, stomp your little feets.

"Article. IV, Section. 4.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican
Form of Government...."

>>>>> ... Mostly, you guys vote out the guys you don't like. Sometimes, you
>>>>> shoot them.

>>>> Not me-- Democrats or progressives.

>>> **You shoot Democrats?

>> Sometimes I'm tempted.

> **Typical. Violent cunt.

Nah, I'm just a warm, fuzzy pussycat. Your writings, on the other hand, betray a
dark heart, full of hate and rage.

Oh, here's some interesting reading for you--

https://www.culturcidal.com/p/does-liberalism-cause-mental-illness

>>> Typical. Violent cunt.

>> The violent cunts are the lefties/progressives/Democrats/wackos who tried and
>> sometimes succeeded in assassinating Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Ford, and
>> Reagan.

> **Violent cunts come from all sides of politics.

But your violent cunts aren't as bad as their violent cunts, eh?