On 12/10/2021 08:46, Tweed wrote:
> You can’t get through if there’s a power cut, as everyone else is trying to
> ring up…..

In practice I think they tend to presume the electricity company will
know.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:iskrppF7l4qU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 12/10/2021 07:53, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> I have a low spec wired phone in the master socket so that in the event
>> of a power cut there is a phone that can ring out and report it.
>
> I don't think I've ever needed to report a power cut this century.

I think you've been lucky

I have suffered 4 or 5

usually relatively short outages, but one was multiple hours

"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sk3eb9$k46$1@dont-email.me...
> Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 23:40, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 15:17, Tweed wrote:
>>>
>>>> Likewise and like every other young person I know, and quite a lot of
>>>> the
>>>> not so young. Now where’s my new gramophone needle gone…….
>>>>
>>>
>>> Whilst in the house my mobile is usually on charge in one room.
>>> Landline phone is DECT with one base station with three handsets in
>>> different rooms.
>>>
>> I have a low spec wired phone in the master socket so that in the event
>> of a power cut there is a phone that can ring out and report it. There
>> is a DECT phone with its base station in the lounge, so that the handset
>> can be wherever we are from time to time, and there is an extension
>> phone with the ringer silenced in the bedroom, so that it is possible to
>> ring out but not be woken by junk calls in the middle of the night. My
>> mobile stays in the lounge unless I am going out; it is generally only
>> used for text messages.
>>
>> I don't meet the VOIP assumptions in any way.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> PS - I have a gramophone needle sharpener. :-)
>>
>>
>
> The thing is, the copper network is approaching end of life, both the
> actual multi core cables and the equipment in the exchanges.

Oh come on

the equipment at the exchange gets updated at regular intervals

I spent half a lifetime working for companies who made a business selling
such equipment

Even the copper cables get renewed with fibre as far as the street cabinet,
the trunk network having been fibre-only for a couple of decades

"Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message
news:isiva8Fr4rpU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 11/10/2021 12:53, Tim+ wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2021 09:16, Norman Wells wrote:
>>>>> Oh, Lordy, I'm not that technical! I just want a phone and an
>>>>> extension
>>>>> both to work after I've been ported. But the BT HUb2 has only one
>>>>> (bright green) telephone socket which seems to be a potential problem.
>>>>
>>>> My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>>>>
>>>> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because
>>>> most people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not
>>>> want to have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer them
>>>> to digital then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would
>>>> prefer to stay on a land line connection because I don't want to start
>>>> running mains extension leads around the house or having to an extra
>>>> mains socket fitted.
>>>>
>>>> It's even worse than the letters I keep getting telling me that I can
>>>> have a "smart" electricity meter as if it would be of some benefit to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> People can react all they like, but with nowhere else to take their
>>> business (ie to get a wire analogue phone service) it’s going to be
>>> basically adapt or silence.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Or just ditch the wire/cable/fibre connection and use mobile 4/5G.
>
> Then I'd have to tell everyone not to use my landline number, which is
> what most of them do currently.

you have a very non-standard community there

even amongst my group of retired neighbours, the majority have moved to
using a mobile as their main form of telecoms.

Only a few hold-outs still rely upon their LL as the preferred means of
communication

Amongst younger groups the majority don't even make many voice calls
anymore. Relying upon other forms of digital communications to keep in
touch

"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sk1aip$284$1@dont-email.me...
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 12:35, charles wrote:
>>> BT have said they are not keeping their POTS (copper wire) service
>>> beyond
>>> 2025. They won't make exceptions for 'luddites'.
>>
>> That is their decision but it should be up to them to provide an
>> equivalent without the customer having to do anything,
>>
>
> Why?

cos it's the right thing to do

"Wilf" <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote in message
news:sk1g9l$1cts$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 11/10/2021 at 13:17, MB wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 12:35, charles wrote:
>>> BT have said they are not keeping their POTS (copper wire) service
>>> beyond
>>> 2025. They won't make exceptions for 'luddites'.
>>
>> That is their decision but it should be up to them to provide an
>> equivalent without the customer having to do anything,
>>
>
> Actually, I don't know that it is "their decision". I think it has been
> mandated by Ofcom.

it's definitely been driven by BT

Ofcoms only involvement will be in agreeing the date

> But in any case, I'm pretty sure that when the time comes for any of us to
> change, we will get the necessary information and be supplied with any
> required equipment.

It seems clear from Norman's post that he hasn't been so supplied.

unless by "I've been told" he means some chap down the pub told him

>
> --
> Wilf

On 12/10/2021 08:53, tim... wrote:
>
>
> "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message
> news:ish2ocFg5rpU1@mid.individual.net...
>> I've been told that BT are going to switch me over very soon to
>> Digital Voice, which means that my landline phone will in future only
>> work over the internet.  To make this work, I have to unplug the phone
>> and plug it into a special socket on the back of the BT Hub router.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this and dealt with it?  If so, can you tell me
>> please how it works (or doesn't) with extension phones?
>
> I realise that this doesn't help you with your problem, but I'd be more
> interested in knowing whether this plug point for your BT Router is in
> the same place as currently or whether they are coming along and giving
> you a new socket at some less convenient place in the house

This isn't a fibre connection to the premises, and BT aren't coming
round at all. All that's happening is that they say they're switching
me over to Digital Voice and what I have to do is unplug my landline
phone from the wall socket and plug it into a socket on the BT Hub instead.

You see, 'we've made it as simple as possible'.

"MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:sk1idr$vv5$1@dont-email.me...
> On 11/10/2021 15:04, Wilf wrote:
>> Actually, I don't know that it is "their decision". I think it has been
>> mandated by Ofcom. But in any case, I'm pretty sure that when the time
>> comes for any of us to change, we will get the necessary information and
>> be supplied with any required equipment.
>
>
>
> I am sure that will have to happen. There are many people with even less
> technical knowledge than most us. Some might have broadband but only use
> it occasionally.

some will have BB and don't even know that they are using it (for a catch up
TV package)

:-)

> Most want a phone in several rooms around the house. I certainly do not
> want to carry a mobile phone around, mine does not get used much and
> mainly for the horrible verification system when you make any online
> payment.

get a cordless system

>
> The mobile phone sits on top of some books in the bookcase and is often
> forgotten when I go out!

agreed

> BT are making the change for their benefit, we do not get any benefit and
> a degradation in service, the worst being we not long have a phone when
> the power goes off

there was along debate about this within the industry

eventually it was decided that it was an acceptavel compromise

>and have to keep the router always powered.

you need to do this anyway.

Turing your router on and off as you (don't) use it destabilises the data
connection.

> I suspect there are going to lots of letters to MPs when as they start to
> changeover.
>

It's all to late for that to make any difference

tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sk3eb9$k46$1@dont-email.me...
>> Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 23:40, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2021 15:17, Tweed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Likewise and like every other young person I know, and quite a lot of
>>>>> the
>>>>> not so young. Now where’s my new gramophone needle gone…….
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whilst in the house my mobile is usually on charge in one room.
>>>> Landline phone is DECT with one base station with three handsets in
>>>> different rooms.
>>>>
>>> I have a low spec wired phone in the master socket so that in the event
>>> of a power cut there is a phone that can ring out and report it. There
>>> is a DECT phone with its base station in the lounge, so that the handset
>>> can be wherever we are from time to time, and there is an extension
>>> phone with the ringer silenced in the bedroom, so that it is possible to
>>> ring out but not be woken by junk calls in the middle of the night. My
>>> mobile stays in the lounge unless I am going out; it is generally only
>>> used for text messages.
>>>
>>> I don't meet the VOIP assumptions in any way.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> PS - I have a gramophone needle sharpener. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The thing is, the copper network is approaching end of life, both the
>> actual multi core cables and the equipment in the exchanges.
>
> Oh come on
>
> the equipment at the exchange gets updated at regular intervals
>
> I spent half a lifetime working for companies who made a business selling
> such equipment
>
> Even the copper cables get renewed with fibre as far as the street cabinet,
> the trunk network having been fibre-only for a couple of decades
>
>
In most places it is copper all the way to the exchange for the voice
circuit. The fibre to the cabinet is only for the digital broadband stuff.
There’s still a lot of dodgy cable in the local loop.

Of course the equipment in the exchange gets renewed, but it can no longer
be justified. That equipment provides analogue voice and relatively slow
speed ADSL broadband. It’s a rapidly declining market. It’s a bit like
saying we need to replace our steam locomotives with more steam locomotives
in the age of diesel and electric locos.

BT/OR’s share price is suffering at the moment because there’s now a lot of
very well funded alternative suppliers starting to put fibre to the
home/business in the ground. It is actually uncertain if BT have a real
long term future as the major supplier of broadband to the domestic user.
It is felt that BT may have left it too late to go fully fibre. They’ve
wasted time and treasure on BT Sport. Against that background, there is
zero reason to invest money in renewing the analogue phone network.

If you talk to the Open Reach staff dealing with faults on the local loop
most will tell you the wiring is on its last legs.

"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dim8mgdrvqmdj5a22cro48p0nisgjq40cr@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 12:35:03 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>BT have said they are not keeping their POTS (copper wire) service beyond
>>2025. They won't make exceptions for 'luddites'.
>
> That might seem like a long time, but I reckon most people will know
> nothing about this until the day it happens.
>
> Which means that as well as millions of people with computers that are
> insecure because Windows 10 is no longer supported and they can't be
> upgraded to Windows 11 (more than 50% of them can't apparently),

how many domestic customers don't just chuck their computer away and upgrade
within the MS upgrade period

and how many people actually need their computer to be "secure"

"Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message
news:isivifFr4rpU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 11/10/2021 15:06, Wilf wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 at 13:59, Max Demian wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 13:30, Tweed wrote:
>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/10/2021 12:58, Tim+ wrote:
>>>>>> Homeowners have been responsible for everything after the master
>>>>>> socket for
>>>>>> many years. All that’s really happening (effectively) is that the
>>>>>> master
>>>>>> socket is moving to your router.
>>>>>
>>>>> But not all routers appear to have a master socket, mine doed not have
>>>>> one that I can see.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have your current voice service via the same outfit as your ISP
>>>> you’ll probably be given the option of a new router.
>>>
>>> What if your ISP is different from your landline provider? They'll each
>>> say contact the other outfit.
>>>
>>
>> Since this is an Ofcom-mediated move I'm pretty sure that that issue will
>> be sorted out in good time. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
>
> Well, I was told, well over 48 hours ago now, that my service would
> migrate within 48 hours, so it's upon us now.
>
> Am I really one of the very first?

https://www.bt.com/help/landline/what-is-digital-voice-and-how-can-i-get-it-

https://www.bt.com/help/landline/digital-voice-migration

>
>

Don't like people who put their reply underneath the question.

But.

Several of my phones are cordless and why use cordless when you buy a
home with phone sockets?

Main reason for posting is because I have just looked at my BTHub6 and
it has no phone socket at the back. If BT are going to change my
landline to Voice they will need to change my hub to something that
deals with the phone wiring they installed.

And the same for (probably) most of the country?

Tony

On 12/10/2021 08:56, tim... wrote:
>
>
> "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:isis9hFqjv9U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 11/10/2021 12:53, Tim+ wrote:
>>
>>> Or just ditch the wire/cable/fibre connection and use mobile 4/5G.
>>
>> How does that suit people who have a phone in their bedroom, one in
>> the kitchen, one in the living room and a couple on our desks?
>
> buy cordeless phones
>
>
>

How many people have their Hub near their phone?

Not me and not many in the homes I go to.

BT chose to put ours as near as possible to where the phone signal comes
into our flat. On the floor in a corridor - hardly a smart place to have
a phone.

Tony

On 12/10/2021 09:14, Norman Wells wrote:
> This isn't a fibre connection to the premises, and BT aren't coming
> round at all.  All that's happening is that they say they're switching
> me over to Digital Voice and what I have to do is unplug my landline
> phone from the wall socket and plug it into a socket on the BT Hub instead.
>
> You see, 'we've made it as simple as possible'.

In article <sk3efr$ms7$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 08:28, Mark Carver wrote:
> > I don't think I've ever needed to report a power cut this century. The
> > DNO's telemetry is so good these days, that the power cut appears on
> > their service status page in under a minute.
> > (Here's looking at you BBC/Arqiva etc)

> I have had very few power cuts here and usually checked that others were
> affected so Hydro were likely to know. Our longest power cut is about
> the only time I have listened to the local commercial station - it was
> useful to know where was still open and I got close to going down to
> town for hot meal and drink.

> I have mentioned before a few years ago, BT had a major broadband fault
> in Inverness which affected much of North Scotland but were unaware even
> though many had rung their call centre.

> It started on a Thursday I think and they only became aware on Saturday
> morning when the person monitoring their Community Forum saw the
> messages about it and rang their operational people for details and
> found they were unaware - typical case of "the computers says OK so must
> be OK".

I can recall a situation when BBC Radio 3 was lost in Aberdeen and further
north. It took a would-be listener in Kyle of Lochalsh to phone in to
complain. All the transmitters were working perfectly which is all the
monitoring saw.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article <sk3f62$421$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 08:46, Tweed wrote:
> > You can‘t get through if there‘s a power cut, as everyone else is
> > trying to ring upŒ..

> In practice I think they tend to presume the electricity company will
> know.

since I have a UPS for my router, I can check on my laptop whether the
company knows.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article <sk3fe8$989$1@dont-email.me>, tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sk3eb9$k46$1@dont-email.me...
> > Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/10/2021 23:40, alan_m wrote:
> >>> On 11/10/2021 15:17, Tweed wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Likewise and like every other young person I know, and quite a lot
> >>>> of the not so young. Now where‘s my new gramophone needle goneŒŒ.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Whilst in the house my mobile is usually on charge in one room.
> >>> Landline phone is DECT with one base station with three handsets in
> >>> different rooms.
> >>>
> >> I have a low spec wired phone in the master socket so that in the
> >> event of a power cut there is a phone that can ring out and report it.
> >> There is a DECT phone with its base station in the lounge, so that the
> >> handset can be wherever we are from time to time, and there is an
> >> extension phone with the ringer silenced in the bedroom, so that it is
> >> possible to ring out but not be woken by junk calls in the middle of
> >> the night. My mobile stays in the lounge unless I am going out; it is
> >> generally only used for text messages.
> >>
> >> I don't meet the VOIP assumptions in any way.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> PS - I have a gramophone needle sharpener. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The thing is, the copper network is approaching end of life, both the
> > actual multi core cables and the equipment in the exchanges.

> Oh come on

> the equipment at the exchange gets updated at regular intervals

> I spent half a lifetime working for companies who made a business selling
> such equipment

> Even the copper cables get renewed with fibre as far as the street
> cabinet, the trunk network having been fibre-only for a couple of decades

>

Possibly more important is the development value of the site

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 12/10/2021 09:57, charles wrote:
> In article <sk3fe8$989$1@dont-email.me>, tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sk3eb9$k46$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2021 23:40, alan_m wrote:
>>>>> On 11/10/2021 15:17, Tweed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Likewise and like every other young person I know, and quite a lot
>>>>>> of the not so young. Now where‘s my new gramophone needle goneŒŒ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whilst in the house my mobile is usually on charge in one room.
>>>>> Landline phone is DECT with one base station with three handsets in
>>>>> different rooms.
>>>>>
>>>> I have a low spec wired phone in the master socket so that in the
>>>> event of a power cut there is a phone that can ring out and report it.
>>>> There is a DECT phone with its base station in the lounge, so that the
>>>> handset can be wherever we are from time to time, and there is an
>>>> extension phone with the ringer silenced in the bedroom, so that it is
>>>> possible to ring out but not be woken by junk calls in the middle of
>>>> the night. My mobile stays in the lounge unless I am going out; it is
>>>> generally only used for text messages.
>>>>
>>>> I don't meet the VOIP assumptions in any way.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> PS - I have a gramophone needle sharpener. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The thing is, the copper network is approaching end of life, both the
>>> actual multi core cables and the equipment in the exchanges.
>
>> Oh come on
>
>> the equipment at the exchange gets updated at regular intervals
>
>> I spent half a lifetime working for companies who made a business selling
>> such equipment
>
>> Even the copper cables get renewed with fibre as far as the street
>> cabinet, the trunk network having been fibre-only for a couple of decades
>
>
>>
>
> Possibly more important is the development value of the site
>

BT sold the exchanges in 2001 in a typical sale-and-leaseback deal.
What they gain now is an end to their leases on c. 2/3rds of them.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 12/10/2021 at 09:47, Tony Gamble wrote:
> Don't like people who put their reply underneath the question.
>
> But.
>
> Several of my phones are cordless and why use cordless when you buy a
> home with phone sockets?
>
> Main reason for posting is because I have just looked at my BTHub6 and
> it has no phone socket at the back. If BT are going to change my
> landline to Voice they will need to change my hub to something that
> deals with the phone wiring they installed.
>
> And the same for (probably) most of the country?
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On 12/10/2021 08:56, tim... wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>> news:isis9hFqjv9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 11/10/2021 12:53, Tim+ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or just ditch the wire/cable/fibre connection and use mobile 4/5G.
>>>
>>> How does that suit people who have a phone in their bedroom, one in
>>> the kitchen, one in the living room and a couple on our desks?
>>
>> buy cordeless phones
>>
>>
>>
>

And presumably that is what they are going to have to do. For non-BT
phone users as well (apart from Virgin)

--
Wilf

charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <sk3f62$421$1@dont-email.me>,
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 12/10/2021 08:46, Tweed wrote:
>>> You can‘t get through if there‘s a power cut, as everyone else is
>>> trying to ring upŒ..
>
>> In practice I think they tend to presume the electricity company will
>> know.
>
> since I have a UPS for my router, I can check on my laptop whether the
> company knows.
>

If you have fibre to the cabinet that may be your Waterloo. The ones I’ve
seen inside have little or no battery backup.

Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 at 09:47, Tony Gamble wrote:
>> Don't like people who put their reply underneath the question.
>>
>> But.
>>
>> Several of my phones are cordless and why use cordless when you buy a
>> home with phone sockets?
>>
>> Main reason for posting is because I have just looked at my BTHub6 and
>> it has no phone socket at the back. If BT are going to change my
>> landline to Voice they will need to change my hub to something that
>> deals with the phone wiring they installed.
>>
>> And the same for (probably) most of the country?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/10/2021 08:56, tim... wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>>> news:isis9hFqjv9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 11/10/2021 12:53, Tim+ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or just ditch the wire/cable/fibre connection and use mobile 4/5G.
>>>>
>>>> How does that suit people who have a phone in their bedroom, one in
>>>> the kitchen, one in the living room and a couple on our desks?
>>>
>>> buy cordeless phones
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> And presumably that is what they are going to have to do. For non-BT
> phone users as well (apart from Virgin)
>

You can back feed from the analogue port on your router back into your
extension wiring. Either DIY or by replacing the front plate of your master
socket with one designed for the job.

In article <sk3ggp$tin$1@dont-email.me>, tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dim8mgdrvqmdj5a22cro48p0nisgjq40cr@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 12:35:03 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>BT have said they are not keeping their POTS (copper wire) service
> >>beyond 2025. They won't make exceptions for 'luddites'.
> >
> > That might seem like a long time, but I reckon most people will know
> > nothing about this until the day it happens.
> >
> > Which means that as well as millions of people with computers that are
> > insecure because Windows 10 is no longer supported and they can't be
> > upgraded to Windows 11 (more than 50% of them can't apparently),

> how many domestic customers don't just chuck their computer away and
> upgrade within the MS upgrade period

> and how many people actually need their computer to be "secure"

Those that do on-line banking?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article <isl0doF8ghtU1@mid.individual.net>,
Tony Gamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
> Don't like people who put their reply underneath the question.

> But.

> Several of my phones are cordless and why use cordless when you buy a
> home with phone sockets?

So that you aren't tethered.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

But I want the phone by my bed and in the kitchen to be tethered.

And I am a cheapscate. Those two phones have lasted far longer than the
cordless ones.

On 12/10/2021 10:34, charles wrote:
> So that you aren't tethered.

On 12/10/2021 10:14, Tweed wrote:
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>> In article <sk3f62$421$1@dont-email.me>,
>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2021 08:46, Tweed wrote:
>>>> You can‘t get through if there‘s a power cut, as everyone else is
>>>> trying to ring upŒ..
>>> In practice I think they tend to presume the electricity company will
>>> know.
>> since I have a UPS for my router, I can check on my laptop whether the
>> company knows.
>>
> If you have fibre to the cabinet that may be your Waterloo. The ones I’ve
> seen inside have little or no battery backup.
>
From experience the UPS in our FTTC cabinet lasted 5 hours.

On 12/10/2021 08:58, tim... wrote:
>
>
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:iskrppF7l4qU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 12/10/2021  07:53, Indy Jess John wrote:
>>> I have a low spec wired phone in the master socket so that in the
>>> event of a power cut there is a phone that can ring out and report it.
>>
>> I don't think I've ever needed to report a power cut this century.
>
> I think you've been lucky
>
> I have suffered 4 or 5
>
Read what I wrote again please, I didn't say that.