On 12/10/2021 14:57, Max Demian wrote:
> A couple of times my "actual" electricity providers [1] (SSE Southern
> Electric) have rung me up (on my landline) to ask whether I was having
> (or had) a power cut. I hadn't. So their automatic systems aren't
> infallible.
>
> [1] They must have got my number for EDF, the "bill senders".

Are you on a spur off the main line? Could just be that not monitored.

On Tue 12/10/2021 11:47, MB wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 11:40, Mark Carver wrote:
>> Oh, for goodness sake, no, YOUR one doesn't, but the newers one do, and
>> BT will give you a new one when the time comes
>
> It is a Home Hub 6 which is not exactly ancient.
>
> But I was pointing out that is one of the problems they are going to
> have if they just send out an instruction to plug the telephone into the
> router.

Hub 6 (or smarthub as BT prefer to call it) is relatively old and (I
think) made by Sagem.

Smarthub 6 V2 uses Wi-fi6 so is significantly different to the Hub6.

Tweed wrote:

> If you have fibre to the cabinet that may be your Waterloo. The ones I’ve
> seen inside have little or no battery backup.

The BT VDSL cab here holds up during power cuts (overnight in one case).

On 12/10/2021 16:00, MB wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 14:57, Max Demian wrote:
>> A couple of times my "actual" electricity providers [1] (SSE Southern
>> Electric) have rung me up (on my landline) to ask whether I was having
>> (or had) a power cut. I hadn't. So their automatic systems aren't
>> infallible.
>>
>> [1] They must have got my number for EDF, the "bill senders".

> Are you on a spur off the main line? Could just be that not monitored.

I doubt it. If I was, I expect they would just wait until someone
reported it.

--
Max Demian

SH <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote:

> Although my mobile does have an internal vibrator, I don;t fancy keeping
> my head in close proximity for 8+ hours next to a RF energy source.....

There are any number of smart watches that will buzz when your mobile phone
rings…

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 12/10/2021 13:33, SH wrote:
>
>
> I still have a "landline" but its actually provided over FTTP by voafone
> who ported my landline number over to the VOIP line. when rining the
> house phone number, the alarm clock responds to the ring signal and
> pulses the vibrator in my pillow.
>
> Although my mobile does have an internal vibrator, I don;t fancy keeping
> my head in close proximity for 8+ hours next to a RF energy

Are you _certain_ that the device you already have is receive only?

Andy

On 10/10/2021 22:03, Norman Wells wrote:
> I've been told that BT are going to switch me over very soon to Digital
> Voice, which means that my landline phone will in future only work over
> the internet.  To make this work, I have to unplug the phone and plug it
> into a special socket on the back of the BT Hub router.
>
> Has anyone else had this and dealt with it?  If so, can you tell me
> please how it works (or doesn't) with extension phones?

Having read the thread the whole way through I'll describe what they did
here.

First they rolled out fibre. They gave us a fibre modem and a router;
the router does indeed have POTS sockets, and the nice man put a socket
on a lead from one of them to a convenient place (not the under-stairs
cupboard!).

'phone was still over the old copper.

Recently they've moved us to digital voice.

They gave us a WiFi connected cordless 'phone, and a little box to plug
a POTS 'phone into.

They did not use the sockets on the router at all. Nor the one on the
lead the nice man installed for us. Plans obviously changed.

We're in the process of dumping the "land line" and using just mobiles,
with WiFi calling for backup because the signal is rubbish here.

Andy

On 12/10/2021 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
>
> Looks too complicated for most telephone *users*.
>

Yes, even re fitting the type of PCB shown in the photo with thin metal
prongs to position correctly is quite fiddly.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
>>
>> Looks too complicated for most telephone *users*.
>>
>
> Yes, even re fitting the type of PCB shown in the photo with thin metal
> prongs to position correctly is quite fiddly.
>

There will be a zillion kits on eBay/Amazon shortly, plus a few shady local
tradespersons offering a digital conversion service.

On 12/10/2021 21:53, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 13:33, SH wrote:
>>
>>
>> I still have a "landline" but its actually provided over FTTP by
>> voafone who ported my landline number over to the VOIP line. when
>> rining the house phone number, the alarm clock responds to the ring
>> signal and pulses the vibrator in my pillow.
>>
>> Although my mobile does have an internal vibrator, I don;t fancy
>> keeping my head in close proximity for 8+ hours next to a RF energy
>
> Are you _certain_ that the device you already have is receive only?
>
> Andy

the alarm clock does not have a handset with earpiece or mouthpiece....

"My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?

I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because
most people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not
want to have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer them
to digital then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would
prefer to stay on a land line connection because I don't want to start
running mains extension leads around the house or having to an extra
mains socket fitted. "

Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.

I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two
landlines. One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am
obliged to have so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station. I
also have a business contract with BT for my broadband as, at the time,
they were the only service who offered a static ip.

The broadband comes from the socket servicing our phones. The alarm is
on a totally separate cable. How are BT going to provide my alarm with a
service when they tell me I have Digital Voice?

We also have a bell on the phone system as the previous owner of our
flat was a bit deaf. We rent that from BT as we did one of the handsets.
I suspect that tampering with either device would invalidate our contract.

I use the HUB6 because I know that if I buy a third party hub it becomes
contentious when I suggest the broadband is unreliable.

Someone yesterday suggested there would be masses of folk offering to
come into your home and tinker with the wiring. Are BT really going to
accept that and contract to provide a reliable service? If not, then as
the poster at the top says, they have years of work ahead going into
most of the homes in the country.

Tony

Tony Gamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>
> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because
> most people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not
> want to have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer them
> to digital then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would
> prefer to stay on a land line connection because I don't want to start
> running mains extension leads around the house or having to an extra
> mains socket fitted. "
>
> Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
>
> I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two
> landlines. One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am
> obliged to have so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station. I
> also have a business contract with BT for my broadband as, at the time,
> they were the only service who offered a static ip.
>
> The broadband comes from the socket servicing our phones. The alarm is
> on a totally separate cable. How are BT going to provide my alarm with a
> service when they tell me I have Digital Voice?
>
> We also have a bell on the phone system as the previous owner of our
> flat was a bit deaf. We rent that from BT as we did one of the handsets.
> I suspect that tampering with either device would invalidate our contract.
>
> I use the HUB6 because I know that if I buy a third party hub it becomes
> contentious when I suggest the broadband is unreliable.
>
> Someone yesterday suggested there would be masses of folk offering to
> come into your home and tinker with the wiring. Are BT really going to
> accept that and contract to provide a reliable service? If not, then as
> the poster at the top says, they have years of work ahead going into
> most of the homes in the country.
>
> Tony
>
BT sell you a phone service to your master socket. They will still do this,
just to another master socket. It’s up to the householder to sort out the
internal wiring. BT can simply give you notice of termination for your
rented bell. They’ve no obligation to keep on providing the service. BT
will probably offer a reassuringly expensive service to reconfigure your
wiring if that’s what you desire.

For your, presumably Redcare, alarm there’s a bunch of solutions here.

https://www.redcare.bt.com/news-and-events/news/the-pstn-switch-off-how-it-impacts-alarm-signalling.html

Our Next Generation portfolio is a full suite that caters for end customers
of all sizes, risks and, importantly, connectivity requirement, and come
with no upfront cost. We also offer 24/7 technical support - so we’re here
should you need us. Our portfolio consists of:
Essential IP - an SP2 alarm signalling solution that offers greater
protection by ensuring ARCs are notified of path faults within 60 minutes.
Able to connect via ethernet or wi-fi, it is ideal for customers in areas
with poor mobile coverage and for digi-communicator swap outs.

Essential - offers simple, affordable, SP2, wireless (4G/2G) alarm
signalling, and comes with a roaming SIM card, which switches between the
main UK mobile networks to ensure the best possible connection

Essential Extra - a wireless dual-path alarm signalling system at DP2 grade
with one fixed SIM using the EE network – and one roaming 4G SIM, offering
low to medium risk sites twice the protection for both fire and security.

Advanced - a flexible, DP2, alarm signalling system designed to change
with a customer’s needs. With both a wired IP connection and dual 4G SIMs –
one fixed and one roaming – it offers two levels of reassurance with true
dual path connectivity.

Advanced Extra - offers the same flexibility and reassurance as Advanced
but with faster reporting times exceeding DP3 requirements. Experts who
monitor will know about alarms in seconds and connection faults on the
primary path within three minutes and will be alerted to faults on the
secondary path within 60 minutes – rather than 25 hours.
Ultimate -the most responsive package, using a private IP connection on a
dedicated BT broadband network, backed up by two 4G SIMs. With its built-in
hub, battery backup from the alarm panel means the system keeps working –
even in a power cut – and monitoring experts will know of any connection
problems within 90 seconds.

As somebody said yesterday we on this forum are unusually
technical.Taking socket boxes off walls and rewiring them is our meat
and veg. Most people will be reluctant to do it in case the wires give
them a shock and/or they make a mess and ruin their phone system.

Once 'the media' get a handle on the fact that the whole of the phone
system is going to be changed so radically they will cause a rumpus.

Tony

On 13/10/2021 09:38, Tweed wrote:
> Tony Gamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
>> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>>
>> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because
>> most people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not
>> want to have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer them
>> to digital then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would
>> prefer to stay on a land line connection because I don't want to start
>> running mains extension leads around the house or having to an extra
>> mains socket fitted. "
>>
>> Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
>>
>> I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two
>> landlines. One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am
>> obliged to have so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station. I
>> also have a business contract with BT for my broadband as, at the time,
>> they were the only service who offered a static ip.
>>
>> The broadband comes from the socket servicing our phones. The alarm is
>> on a totally separate cable. How are BT going to provide my alarm with a
>> service when they tell me I have Digital Voice?
>>
>> We also have a bell on the phone system as the previous owner of our
>> flat was a bit deaf. We rent that from BT as we did one of the handsets.
>> I suspect that tampering with either device would invalidate our contract.
>>
>> I use the HUB6 because I know that if I buy a third party hub it becomes
>> contentious when I suggest the broadband is unreliable.
>>
>> Someone yesterday suggested there would be masses of folk offering to
>> come into your home and tinker with the wiring. Are BT really going to
>> accept that and contract to provide a reliable service? If not, then as
>> the poster at the top says, they have years of work ahead going into
>> most of the homes in the country.
>>
>> Tony
>>
> BT sell you a phone service to your master socket. They will still do this,
> just to another master socket. It’s up to the householder to sort out the
> internal wiring. BT can simply give you notice of termination for your
> rented bell. They’ve no obligation to keep on providing the service. BT
> will probably offer a reassuringly expensive service to reconfigure your
> wiring if that’s what you desire.
>
> For your, presumably Redcare, alarm there’s a bunch of solutions here.
>
> https://www.redcare.bt.com/news-and-events/news/the-pstn-switch-off-how-it-impacts-alarm-signalling.html
>
> Our Next Generation portfolio is a full suite that caters for end customers
> of all sizes, risks and, importantly, connectivity requirement, and come
> with no upfront cost. We also offer 24/7 technical support - so we’re here
> should you need us. Our portfolio consists of:
>
> Essential IP - an SP2 alarm signalling solution that offers greater
> protection by ensuring ARCs are notified of path faults within 60 minutes.
> Able to connect via ethernet or wi-fi, it is ideal for customers in areas
> with poor mobile coverage and for digi-communicator swap outs.
>
> Essential - offers simple, affordable, SP2, wireless (4G/2G) alarm
> signalling, and comes with a roaming SIM card, which switches between the
> main UK mobile networks to ensure the best possible connection
>
> Essential Extra - a wireless dual-path alarm signalling system at DP2 grade
> with one fixed SIM using the EE network – and one roaming 4G SIM, offering
> low to medium risk sites twice the protection for both fire and security.
>
> Advanced - a flexible, DP2, alarm signalling system designed to change
> with a customer’s needs. With both a wired IP connection and dual 4G SIMs –
> one fixed and one roaming – it offers two levels of reassurance with true
> dual path connectivity.
>
> Advanced Extra - offers the same flexibility and reassurance as Advanced
> but with faster reporting times exceeding DP3 requirements. Experts who
> monitor will know about alarms in seconds and connection faults on the
> primary path within three minutes and will be alerted to faults on the
> secondary path within 60 minutes – rather than 25 hours.
> Ultimate -the most responsive package, using a private IP connection on a
> dedicated BT broadband network, backed up by two 4G SIMs. With its built-in
> hub, battery backup from the alarm panel means the system keeps working –
> even in a power cut – and monitoring experts will know of any connection
> problems within 90 seconds.
>

On 13/10/2021 09:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>
> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because
> most people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not
> want to have start messing around with it.  If BT want to transfer them
> to digital then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would
> prefer to stay on a land line connection because I don't want to start
> running mains extension leads around the house or having to an extra
> mains socket fitted. "
>
> Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
>
> I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two
> landlines. One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am
> obliged to have so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station. I
> also have a business contract with BT for my broadband as, at the time,
> they were the only service who offered a static ip.
>
> The broadband comes from the socket servicing our phones. The alarm is
> on a totally separate cable. How are BT going to provide my alarm with a
> service when they tell me I have Digital Voice?
>
> We also have a bell on the phone system as the previous owner of our
> flat was a bit deaf. We rent that from BT as we did one of the handsets.
> I suspect that tampering with either device would invalidate our contract.
>
> I use the HUB6 because I know that if I buy a third party hub it becomes
> contentious when I suggest the broadband is unreliable.
>
> Someone yesterday suggested there would be masses of folk offering to
> come into your home and tinker with the wiring. Are BT really going to
> accept that and contract to provide a reliable service? If not, then as
> the poster at the top says, they have years of work ahead going into
> most of the homes in the country.
>

If it were anything like as bad as you suggest there would be an outcry
from the likes of Age UK. There ain't 'cos it isn't. Ofcom, BT et al
have been planning - and consulting on - the end of PSTN for years.

And "most of the homes in the country" hyperbole when 20% of homes don't
even have a landline, 40% of people don't use a landline.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 13/10/2021 10:21, Tony Gamble wrote:
> As somebody said yesterday we on this forum are unusually technical.
Well, the clue there, is in the name of the news group !

"Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:isnib4FngujU1@mid.individual.net...
> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>
> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because most
> people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not want to
> have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer them to digital
> then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would prefer to stay
> on a land line connection because I don't want to start running mains
> extension leads around the house or having to an extra mains socket
> fitted. "

realistically you wont do that

you'll just move the phone somewhere else in the room

"Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:isnib4FngujU1@mid.individual.net...
> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>
> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because most
> people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not want to
> have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer them to digital
> then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would prefer to stay
> on a land line connection because I don't want to start running mains
> extension leads around the house or having to an extra mains socket
> fitted. "
>
> Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
>
> I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two landlines.
> One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am obliged to have
> so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station.

Yes we have a phone here which is the lift alarm service

by law this cannot be a mobile phone and must be a fixed landline
(presumably because it is line powered and thus "always on")

So now it seems that we are going to be forced to have to change it to a
phone for which the power goes off at the same time as the lift power goes
off.

How does that work for attracting attention in the circumstances? (I accept
that power failure causes only a subset of lift failures)

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:isnpb6FoqajU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 13/10/2021 10:21, Tony Gamble wrote:
>> As somebody said yesterday we on this forum are unusually technical.
> Well, the clue there, is in the name of the news group !

really

there's me thinking it was about DTTV broadcast and reception

On 13/10/2021 11:45, tim... wrote:
>
>
> "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:isnib4FngujU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>>
>> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because
>> most people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do
>> not want to have start messing around with it.  If BT want to transfer
>> them to digital then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I
>> would prefer to stay on a land line connection because I don't want to
>> start running mains extension leads around the house or having to an
>> extra mains socket fitted. "
>>
>> Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
>>
>> I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two
>> landlines. One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am
>> obliged to have so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station.
>
> Yes we have a phone here which is the lift alarm service
>
> by law this cannot be a mobile phone and must be a fixed landline
> (presumably because it is line powered and thus "always on")

That's an old chestnut. A PSTN phone was often the easy way to provide
communication as it caters for power cuts in lifts. But it's not the
only acceptable means.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:isnib4FngujU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>>
>> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because most
>> people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not want to
>> have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer them to digital
>> then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would prefer to stay
>> on a land line connection because I don't want to start running mains
>> extension leads around the house or having to an extra mains socket
>> fitted. "
>>
>> Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
>>
>> I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two landlines.
>> One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am obliged to have
>> so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station.
>
> Yes we have a phone here which is the lift alarm service
>
> by law this cannot be a mobile phone and must be a fixed landline
> (presumably because it is line powered and thus "always on")
>
Not true

<https://www.leia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/upload_image/file/Lift%20owner%20news%20-%20Telephones%20lines%20and%20lifts.pdf>

There has been a requirement to fit alarm devices to lifts since 1 July
1999 under the Lifts Regulations to allow trapped passengers to call for
help. Similar alarm devices have also been fitted to many new enclosed
lifting platforms and many older lifts as an important improvement for the
safety of passengers.
To meet this requirement, many lift companies supply an auto-dialler to BS
EN 81-28 (the standard for new alarm systems) designed to work on a "plain
old telephone system" line to meet this requirement. Some alarm devices
might use the line voltage to power them so avoiding the use of a power
supply and backup supply. Some alarm devices might need a dedicated line to
allow identification of the lift with the alarm.
However, there is no requirement to connect alarm equipment only to a
hardwired telephone line connected to the public switched telephone
network. Provided that the alarm communication and management requirements
are met then communication means can be, for example: radio, digital phone
network, optical, hard wired within a building or site to a permanently
manned rescue service.

In article <sk6dct$69b$1@dont-email.me>, tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:isnib4FngujU1@mid.individual.net...
> > "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
> >
> > I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because
> > most people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do
> > not want to have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer
> > them to digital then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I
> > would prefer to stay on a land line connection because I don't want to
> > start running mains extension leads around the house or having to an
> > extra mains socket fitted. "
> >
> > Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
> >
> > I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two
> > landlines. One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am
> > obliged to have so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station.

> Yes we have a phone here which is the lift alarm service

> by law this cannot be a mobile phone and must be a fixed landline
> (presumably because it is line powered and thus "always on")

> So now it seems that we are going to be forced to have to change it to a
> phone for which the power goes off at the same time as the lift power
> goes off.

> How does that work for attracting attention in the circumstances? (I
> accept that power failure causes only a subset of lift failures)

That is something the lift company is going to have to sort out.

>

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

That wasn't my point Mark.

My point was that we, as a group, contain a higher percentage of people
willing to replace a BT incoming socket than the UK population as a whole.

Tony

On 13/10/2021 11:05, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 13/10/2021 10:21, Tony Gamble wrote:
>> As somebody said yesterday we on this forum are unusually technical.
> Well, the clue there, is in the name of the news group !

My cellphone does not get a signal when I am in our lift.

On 13/10/2021 12:02, Tweed wrote:
> tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Tony Gamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>> news:isnib4FngujU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>>>
>>> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because most
>>> people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do not want to
>>> have start messing around with it. If BT want to transfer them to digital
>>> then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I would prefer to stay
>>> on a land line connection because I don't want to start running mains
>>> extension leads around the house or having to an extra mains socket
>>> fitted. "
>>>
>>> Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
>>>
>>> I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two landlines.
>>> One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am obliged to have
>>> so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station.
>>
>> Yes we have a phone here which is the lift alarm service
>>
>> by law this cannot be a mobile phone and must be a fixed landline
>> (presumably because it is line powered and thus "always on")
>>
> Not true
>
> <https://www.leia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/upload_image/file/Lift%20owner%20news%20-%20Telephones%20lines%20and%20lifts.pdf>
>
> There has been a requirement to fit alarm devices to lifts since 1 July
> 1999 under the Lifts Regulations to allow trapped passengers to call for
> help. Similar alarm devices have also been fitted to many new enclosed
> lifting platforms and many older lifts as an important improvement for the
> safety of passengers.
> To meet this requirement, many lift companies supply an auto-dialler to BS
> EN 81-28 (the standard for new alarm systems) designed to work on a "plain
> old telephone system" line to meet this requirement. Some alarm devices
> might use the line voltage to power them so avoiding the use of a power
> supply and backup supply. Some alarm devices might need a dedicated line to
> allow identification of the lift with the alarm.
> However, there is no requirement to connect alarm equipment only to a
> hardwired telephone line connected to the public switched telephone
> network. Provided that the alarm communication and management requirements
> are met then communication means can be, for example: radio, digital phone
> network, optical, hard wired within a building or site to a permanently
> manned rescue service.
>
>

I'd love to know where that 20% and 40% figure comes from.

Tony

On 13/10/2021 10:22, Robin wrote:
> On 13/10/2021 09:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
>> "My HUB6 has not telephone socket so they will presumably to replace it?
>>
>> I think there is going a massive reaction against this change because
>> most people have a phone that was installed many years ago, they do
>> not want to have start messing around with it.  If BT want to transfer
>> them to digital then it is up to BT to do any work necessary though I
>> would prefer to stay on a land line connection because I don't want to
>> start running mains extension leads around the house or having to an
>> extra mains socket fitted. "
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>> Most of the posts have been about the technicalities so far.
>>
>> I wonder about the legality. I have a contract with BT for two
>> landlines. One is for our normal phone and the other is the one I am
>> obliged to have so my burglar alarm can phone a monitoring station. I
>> also have a business contract with BT for my broadband as, at the
>> time, they were the only service who offered a static ip.
>>
>> The broadband comes from the socket servicing our phones. The alarm is
>> on a totally separate cable. How are BT going to provide my alarm with
>> a service when they tell me I have Digital Voice?
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>> We also have a bell on the phone system as the previous owner of our
>> flat was a bit deaf. We rent that from BT as we did one of the
>> handsets. I suspect that tampering with either device would invalidate
>> our contract.
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>> I use the HUB6 because I know that if I buy a third party hub it
>> becomes contentious when I suggest the broadband is unreliable.
>>
>> Someone yesterday suggested there would be masses of folk offering to
>> come into your home and tinker with the wiring. Are BT really going to
>> accept that and contract to provide a reliable service? If not, then
>> as the poster at the top says, they have years of work ahead going
>> into most of the homes in the country.
>>
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> If it were anything like as bad as you suggest there would be an outcry
> from the likes of Age UK.  There ain't 'cos it isn't.  Ofcom, BT et al
> have been planning - and consulting on - the end of PSTN for years.
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> And "most of the homes in the country" hyperbole when 20% of homes don't
> even have a landline, 40% of people don't use a landline.
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Tony Gamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
> My cellphone does not get a signal when I am in our lift.
>
A lift alarm mobile connect phone can have its antenna on the roof. It’s
not a standard handset hidden behind the buttons.