Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tcttfj$1dv70$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:11:47 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On what basis would some passengers be considered trustworthy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully better than it was 30-odd years ago, the first time I flew from
>>>>>> Edinburgh to London on business. The guys in suits got waved through, and
>>>>>> two of us (not travelling together - he was unknown to me) in sweaters and
>>>>>> anoraks were patted down. I vowed to wear a suit should I ever take up
>>>>>> hijacking.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a name for that: Carnival Booth.
>>>>
>>>> Derivation?
>>>>
>>>
>>> <https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/992/913>
>>
>> Thank you. On first skim I’m not sure what Roland’s “that” refers to, but
>> I’ll read it properly later.
>
> And thanks to Recliner and Graeme I now conclude that Roland’s “that”
> refers to my deciding to wear a suit. JFTR I’ve never worn a suit on a
> plane, and I’ve never taken up hijacking.
>

On a flight to Tokyo (for a rail holiday) a few years ago, I was sharing a
pair of BA ying-yang Club seats with a suited Japanese businessman. I
raised the divider early in the flight, and didn't see him again till
breakfast the next morning. To my amazement, he still had his tie on, and
not at half-mast. I assume he slept with it on, or perhaps he worked all
night?

In the old days, I regularly wore suits on short-haul flights when going to
business meetings or to conferences in Europe. Long-haul, I tried not to,
but that sometimes meant changing in the limo to the airport.

These days, I see very few suits in business class, and it's sometimes hard
to spot who's a leisure traveller like me, or actually on business.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:22:48 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:20:34 +0100
>Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 08:53:44 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>><recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>There was a time when laptops, tablets and phones were treated as potential
>>>bombs, and you had to be prepared to switch them on to demonstrate that
>>>they worked, but that doesn't seem to happen any more.
>>
>>There was a recent press article (possibly last week's Sunday's Times
>>travel section) warning that devices in hand baggage should always be
>>carried charged, as an inability to turn the device on can mean its
>>refusal.
>>
>>I assume something must have triggered the warning, but perhaps it's
>
>A block of semtex pretending to be a battery I should imagine.

I meant that something must have caused the journalist to write the
piece now, when the discussion we've just had suggests that the test
that a device will power on no longer occurs.

Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:22:48 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:20:34 +0100
>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 08:53:44 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There was a time when laptops, tablets and phones were treated as potential
>>>> bombs, and you had to be prepared to switch them on to demonstrate that
>>>> they worked, but that doesn't seem to happen any more.
>>>
>>> There was a recent press article (possibly last week's Sunday's Times
>>> travel section) warning that devices in hand baggage should always be
>>> carried charged, as an inability to turn the device on can mean its
>>> refusal.
>>>
>>> I assume something must have triggered the warning, but perhaps it's
>>
>> A block of semtex pretending to be a battery I should imagine.
>
> I meant that something must have caused the journalist to write the
> piece now, when the discussion we've just had suggests that the test
> that a device will power on no longer occurs.
>

The journo probably just re-used old materials; many stories do that, just
as so many are illustrated by inappropriate or outdated photos (eg, of BA
747s at Heathrow). And there may still be rare occasions when the security
staff do require devices to be turned on.

It's like Covid: many establishments require that you notify them if you
have been experiencing Covid-like symptoms before visiting, but the ones
they list all relate to the original early-2020 variants, not the ones that
are now in circulation.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tcvtus$1ptjv$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:32:12 on Wed, 10 Aug
> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>> This scares people with the potential that some one does something
>>> antisocial to the computer that runs it and collects actual images.
>>
>> Most people have stopped worrying about that sort of thing. It's much less
>> of an indignity than an intimate pat-down (yes, they do check if you have
>> anything strapped to your upper, inner thighs or down your trousers), which
>> would be the other alternative.
>
> I recall a security person at Schiphol, without any warning, shoving
> both his hands down the front of my trousers and having a grope around
> (having asked me to raise my arms). I was sufficiently taken off guard I
> didn't have the presence of mind to knee him in the balls. I didn't want
> to complain because my flight was leaving momentarily(sic) and I didn't
> want to miss it.

I once experienced a similar assault and a similar reaction at Edinburgh -
I’d already been picked to go through the body scanner and during the
subsequent pat down the guy stuck his hands inside my belt-line and slid
them around; he didn’t go any further south, though.

Sam

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In message <1m89fh19r0jdsjq8ir3skdcm74boje2ekv@4ax.com>, at 07:35:31 on
Thu, 11 Aug 2022, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:22:48 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:20:34 +0100
>>Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 08:53:44 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>><recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>There was a time when laptops, tablets and phones were treated as potential
>>>>bombs, and you had to be prepared to switch them on to demonstrate that
>>>>they worked, but that doesn't seem to happen any more.
>>>
>>>There was a recent press article (possibly last week's Sunday's Times
>>>travel section) warning that devices in hand baggage should always be
>>>carried charged, as an inability to turn the device on can mean its
>>>refusal.
>>>
>>>I assume something must have triggered the warning, but perhaps it's
>>
>>A block of semtex pretending to be a battery I should imagine.
>
>I meant that something must have caused the journalist to write the
>piece now,

Slow news day, bad at researching, paid by the word, let's file this and
see if they print it.

> when the discussion we've just had suggests that the test
>that a device will power on no longer occurs.

--
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In message <td16q0$1ubsh$2@dont-email.me>, at 21:09:20 on Wed, 10 Aug
2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tcttfj$1dv70$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:11:47 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On what basis would some passengers be considered trustworthy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully better than it was 30-odd years ago, the first time I
>>>>>>flew from Edinburgh to London on business. The guys in suits got
>>>>>>waved through, and two of us (not travelling together - he was
>>>>>>unknown to me) in sweaters and anoraks were patted down. I vowed
>>>>>>to wear a suit should I ever take up hijacking.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a name for that: Carnival Booth.
>>>>
>>>> Derivation?
>>>>
>>>
>>> <https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/992/913>
>>
>> Thank you. On first skim I’m not sure what Roland’s “that”
>>refers to, but I’ll read it properly later.
>
>And thanks to Recliner and Graeme I now conclude that Roland’s “that”
>refers to my deciding to wear a suit.

It's more about noticing whether suit-wearers got waved through.

>JFTR I’ve never worn a suit on a plane,

I got into the habit in the 80's because (a) I needed the suit at the
other end anyway and it reduced the amount of baggage space I needed;
but (b) it made it much more likely to be selected at the gate for a
free upgrade to business class, if they'd overbooked economy.

>and I’ve never taken up hijacking.
>
>Sam
>

--
Roland Perry

In message <td2g5d$24nfd$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:09 on Thu, 11 Aug
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>It's like Covid: many establishments require that you notify them if you
>have been experiencing Covid-like symptoms before visiting, but the ones
>they list all relate to the original early-2020 variants, not the ones that
>are now in circulation.

I'm fairly impressed by the posters on some of the doors at the local
hopsital saying "if you are visting this department YOU MUST STILL WEAR
A MASK" with an "Updated in July 2022" datestamp.

That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
take down a year ago.

ObTransport: drove past a yellow roadside sign this morning saying "this
road will be closed for seven days starting 20/06/22".

Oh well, I suppose someone will report it as fly-tipping eventually, and
get it taken away. On the other hand, having sprayed the road with
glue-and-stones (most of which have worn away already) they still
haven't got around to re-painting the white lines.
--
Roland Perry

On 11/08/2022 11:16, Roland Perry wrote:
> That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
> take down a year ago.

I have never seen any explanation of what the purpose was of the
COVID-19 PRIORITY ROUTE signs. Some are still in place.

In message <td2n4j$25b5t$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:12 on Thu, 11 Aug
2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:

>On 11/08/2022 11:16, Roland Perry wrote:
>> That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
>> take down a year ago.
>
>I have never seen any explanation of what the purpose was of the
>COVID-19 PRIORITY ROUTE signs.

I was to provide increased road space so cyclists could more easily
social distance.

>Some are still in place.

We had some temporary bollards, long gone, on one road [to the station!]

About a dozen additional sites within a one mile radius which were
announced, never happened.
--
Roland Perry

On 11/08/2022 11:54, MB wrote:
> On 11/08/2022 11:16, Roland Perry wrote:
>> That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
>> take down a year ago.
>
> I have never seen any explanation of what the purpose was of the
> COVID-19 PRIORITY ROUTE signs.  Some are still in place.

I found some one way covid signs in a moving railway carriage on Monday.
I have no idea how you got back the other way.

On 11/08/2022 17:01, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <td2n4j$25b5t$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:12 on Thu, 11 Aug
> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>
>> On 11/08/2022 11:16, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
>>> take down a year ago.
>>
>> I have never seen any explanation of what the purpose was of the
>> COVID-19 PRIORITY ROUTE signs.
>
> I was to provide increased road space so cyclists could more easily
> social distance.
>
>> Some are still in place.
>
> We had some temporary bollards, long gone, on one road [to the station!]
>
> About a dozen additional sites within a one mile radius which were
> announced, never happened.

A few of Edinburgh's bollards have gone, but most of the road closures
for which Covid was the excuse seem to have quietly become permanent.

On 2022-08-10 21:56:13 +0000, Recliner said:

> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tcttfj$1dv70$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:11:47 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On what basis would some passengers be considered trustworthy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully better than it was 30-odd years ago, the first time I flew from
>>>>>>> Edinburgh to London on business. The guys in suits got waved through, and
>>>>>>> two of us (not travelling together - he was unknown to me) in sweaters and
>>>>>>> anoraks were patted down. I vowed to wear a suit should I ever take up
>>>>>>> hijacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a name for that: Carnival Booth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Derivation?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/992/913>
>>>
>>> Thank you. On first skim I’m not sure what Roland’s “that” refers to, but
>>> I’ll read it properly later.
>>
>> And thanks to Recliner and Graeme I now conclude that Roland’s “that”
>> refers to my deciding to wear a suit. JFTR I’ve never worn a suit on a
>> plane, and I’ve never taken up hijacking.
>>
>
> On a flight to Tokyo (for a rail holiday) a few years ago, I was sharing a
> pair of BA ying-yang Club seats with a suited Japanese businessman. I
> raised the divider early in the flight, and didn't see him again till
> breakfast the next morning. To my amazement, he still had his tie on, and
> not at half-mast. I assume he slept with it on, or perhaps he worked all
> night?
>
> In the old days, I regularly wore suits on short-haul flights when going to
> business meetings or to conferences in Europe. Long-haul, I tried not to,
> but that sometimes meant changing in the limo to the airport.
>
> These days, I see very few suits in business class, and it's sometimes hard
> to spot who's a leisure traveller like me, or actually on business.

When I first worked in an engineering company, a little over 20 years
ago in the UK, there was an expectation that everyone in the
"professional" salaried grade would wear a suit and tie to work. When
I started my current line of work back in '08, that had gone by the
wayside. I haven't seen a suit worn to work in quite a few years, and
ties only come out on the most formal occasion. With the current hot
summer weather, a polo shirt, shorts and sandals are not at all
uncommon around the office. Even when I have gone to relatively high
level customer-facing visits, neither us nor the customer wore anything
smarter than a polo shirt. If you go round high street menswear shops,
the availability of suits and ties in the sorts of places that used to
have plenty for sale has diminished massively, suggesting that people
just aren't buying them anymore.

Robin

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:22:25 +0100, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On 11/08/2022 17:01, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <td2n4j$25b5t$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:12 on Thu, 11 Aug
>> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>
>>> On 11/08/2022 11:16, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
>>>> take down a year ago.
>>>
>>> I have never seen any explanation of what the purpose was of the
>>> COVID-19 PRIORITY ROUTE signs.
>>
>> I was to provide increased road space so cyclists could more easily
>> social distance.
>>
>>> Some are still in place.
>>
>> We had some temporary bollards, long gone, on one road [to the station!]
>>
>> About a dozen additional sites within a one mile radius which were
>> announced, never happened.
>
>A few of Edinburgh's bollards have gone, but most of the road closures
>for which Covid was the excuse seem to have quietly become permanent.
>
The extra "cycle lanes" in my burgh have all now been removed.
Cyclists were rarely seen in them and in one location it "hi-jacked" a
bus lane used by multiple bus routes leaving one lane for all traffic
which soon got stuck behind buses causing consequent congestion up to
a mile away.

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:22:25 +0100, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/08/2022 17:01, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <td2n4j$25b5t$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:12 on Thu, 11 Aug
>>> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>>
>>>> On 11/08/2022 11:16, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
>>>>> take down a year ago.
>>>>
>>>> I have never seen any explanation of what the purpose was of the
>>>> COVID-19 PRIORITY ROUTE signs.
>>>
>>> I was to provide increased road space so cyclists could more easily
>>> social distance.
>>>
>>>> Some are still in place.
>>>
>>> We had some temporary bollards, long gone, on one road [to the station!]
>>>
>>> About a dozen additional sites within a one mile radius which were
>>> announced, never happened.
>>
>> A few of Edinburgh's bollards have gone, but most of the road closures
>> for which Covid was the excuse seem to have quietly become permanent.
>>
> The extra "cycle lanes" in my burgh have all now been removed.
> Cyclists were rarely seen in them and in one location it "hi-jacked" a
> bus lane used by multiple bus routes leaving one lane for all traffic
> which soon got stuck behind buses causing consequent congestion up to
> a mile away.
>

Was that the one on Sheepcote Road?

On 11/08/2022 17:01, Roland Perry wrote:
> I was to provide increased road space so cyclists could more easily
> social distance.
>

On the pavement when there is already a cycle route signposted?

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <td2g5d$24nfd$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:09 on Thu, 11 Aug
> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>> It's like Covid: many establishments require that you notify them if you
>> have been experiencing Covid-like symptoms before visiting, but the ones
>> they list all relate to the original early-2020 variants, not the ones that
>> are now in circulation.
>
> I'm fairly impressed by the posters on some of the doors at the local
> hopsital saying "if you are visting this department YOU MUST STILL WEAR
> A MASK" with an "Updated in July 2022" datestamp.
>
> That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
> take down a year ago.
>
> ObTransport: drove past a yellow roadside sign this morning saying "this
> road will be closed for seven days starting 20/06/22".
>
> Oh well, I suppose someone will report it as fly-tipping eventually, and
> get it taken away. On the other hand, having sprayed the road with
> glue-and-stones (most of which have worn away already) they still
> haven't got around to re-painting the white lines.

Surface dressing relies on passing traffic over several days to firmly
embed the stones into the tar layer. Then the loose gravel is roadsweepered
away, and eventually the lines get repainted. IMX usually 3-6 weeks.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 08:55:09 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>It's like Covid: many establishments require that you notify them if you
>have been experiencing Covid-like symptoms before visiting, but the ones

A godsend for skivers everywhere.

"Oh you've got covid? Take the rest of the week off"

"No problem boss!"

On 12/08/2022 09:56, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 08:55:09 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's like Covid: many establishments require that you notify them if you
>> have been experiencing Covid-like symptoms before visiting, but the ones
>
> A godsend for skivers everywhere.
>
> "Oh you've got covid?

Where are the test results?

--
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This account not read.

On 12/08/2022 11:11, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 09:56, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 08:55:09 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's like Covid: many establishments require that you notify them if you
>>> have been experiencing Covid-like symptoms before visiting, but the ones
>>
>> A godsend for skivers everywhere.
>>
>> "Oh you've got covid?
>
> Where are the test results?
>
I didn't think you could get tests in England? All you can do is use
the out of dates symptoms on your government website.

On 12/08/2022 11:24, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> On 12/08/2022 11:11, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 12/08/2022 09:56, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 08:55:09 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It's like Covid: many establishments require that you notify them if
>>>> you
>>>> have been experiencing Covid-like symptoms before visiting, but the
>>>> ones
>>>
>>> A godsend for skivers everywhere.
>>>
>>> "Oh you've got covid?
>>
>> Where are the test results?
>>
> I didn't think you could get tests in England?  All you can do is use
> the out of dates symptoms on your government website.

What makes you think that? I have to produce test results for work, the
company supplies them. If you need them for medical purposes you can
book them on-line. For other reasons you can buy them over the counter
for a couple of quid a throw.

Reminds me I've got to order some for a forthcoming medical prodedure.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:24:32 +0100, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:

>On 12/08/2022 11:11, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 12/08/2022 09:56, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 08:55:09 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It's like Covid: many establishments require that you notify them if you
>>>> have been experiencing Covid-like symptoms before visiting, but the ones
>>>
>>> A godsend for skivers everywhere.
>>>
>>> "Oh you've got covid?
>>
>> Where are the test results?
>>
>I didn't think you could get tests in England? All you can do is use
>the out of dates symptoms on your government website.

You certainly can get them. How do you think international travellers can get their 'fit to fly' vaccination
certificates?

On 12/08/2022 11:24, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> I didn't think you could get tests in England? All you can do is use
> the out of dates symptoms on your government website.

I am in Scotland (not that any different) I had a PCR test just over a
week ago and got the result yesterday. I have never done a LFT.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <td16q0$1ubsh$2@dont-email.me>, at 21:09:20 on Wed, 10 Aug
> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tcttfj$1dv70$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:11:47 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On what basis would some passengers be considered trustworthy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully better than it was 30-odd years ago, the first time I
>>>>>>> flew from Edinburgh to London on business. The guys in suits got
>>>>>>> waved through, and two of us (not travelling together - he was
>>>>>>> unknown to me) in sweaters and anoraks were patted down. I vowed
>>>>>>> to wear a suit should I ever take up hijacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a name for that: Carnival Booth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Derivation?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/992/913>
>>>
>>> Thank you. On first skim I’m not sure what Roland’s “that”
>>> refers to, but I’ll read it properly later.
>>
>> And thanks to Recliner and Graeme I now conclude that Roland’s “that”
>> refers to my deciding to wear a suit.
>
> It's more about noticing whether suit-wearers got waved through.
>
>> JFTR I’ve never worn a suit on a plane,
>
> I got into the habit in the 80's because (a) I needed the suit at the
> other end anyway and it reduced the amount of baggage space I needed;
> but (b) it made it much more likely to be selected at the gate for a
> free upgrade to business class, if they'd overbooked economy.

Having spent most of my working life in the techy side of a University or
similarly in the NHS (a) has never applied to me, and regarding (b) the
only time I’ve ever been upgraded was on holiday, and I definitely wouldn’t
wear a suit then.

Sam

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Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <td16q0$1ubsh$2@dont-email.me>, at 21:09:20 on Wed, 10 Aug
>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tcttfj$1dv70$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:11:47 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On what basis would some passengers be considered trustworthy?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully better than it was 30-odd years ago, the first time I
>>>>>>>> flew from Edinburgh to London on business. The guys in suits got
>>>>>>>> waved through, and two of us (not travelling together - he was
>>>>>>>> unknown to me) in sweaters and anoraks were patted down. I vowed
>>>>>>>> to wear a suit should I ever take up hijacking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a name for that: Carnival Booth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Derivation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/992/913>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. On first skim I’m not sure what Roland’s “that”
>>>> refers to, but I’ll read it properly later.
>>>
>>> And thanks to Recliner and Graeme I now conclude that Roland’s “that”
>>> refers to my deciding to wear a suit.
>>
>> It's more about noticing whether suit-wearers got waved through.
>>
>>> JFTR I’ve never worn a suit on a plane,
>>
>> I got into the habit in the 80's because (a) I needed the suit at the
>> other end anyway and it reduced the amount of baggage space I needed;
>> but (b) it made it much more likely to be selected at the gate for a
>> free upgrade to business class, if they'd overbooked economy.
>
> Having spent most of my working life in the techy side of a University or
> similarly in the NHS (a) has never applied to me, and regarding (b) the
> only time I’ve ever been upgraded was on holiday, and I definitely wouldn’t
> wear a suit then.
>

Upgrades on British airlines were always rare; they're more common on US
airlines.

These days, upgrades mainly depend on your frequent flier status,
calculated by the computer, and have absolutely nothing to do with dressing
smartly (the chances are that no airline employee has even seen you when
the decision is made). The last time I was upgraded from Club to First on a
trans-Atlantic flight (returning from a rail holiday in Colorado) was
because there was a fault with my club World seat that they couldn't fix,
so the CSD took the decision to move me to First. It was perhaps the final
time I travelled in a 747 nose cone. [I don't expect to travel on a 747
again.]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 19:34:00 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:22:25 +0100, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/08/2022 17:01, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <td2n4j$25b5t$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:12 on Thu, 11 Aug
>>>> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/08/2022 11:16, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> That's much better than some places who still have signs they forgot to
>>>>>> take down a year ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen any explanation of what the purpose was of the
>>>>> COVID-19 PRIORITY ROUTE signs.
>>>>
>>>> I was to provide increased road space so cyclists could more easily
>>>> social distance.
>>>>
>>>>> Some are still in place.
>>>>
>>>> We had some temporary bollards, long gone, on one road [to the station!]
>>>>
>>>> About a dozen additional sites within a one mile radius which were
>>>> announced, never happened.
>>>
>>> A few of Edinburgh's bollards have gone, but most of the road closures
>>> for which Covid was the excuse seem to have quietly become permanent.
>>>
>> The extra "cycle lanes" in my burgh have all now been removed.
>> Cyclists were rarely seen in them and in one location it "hi-jacked" a
>> bus lane used by multiple bus routes leaving one lane for all traffic
>> which soon got stuck behind buses causing consequent congestion up to
>> a mile away.
>>
>
>Was that the one on Sheepcote Road?
>
Yes.