On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:26:08 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 05/10/2021 12:06, Salad Dodger wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 15:54:38 -0000 (UTC), wessie
>> <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in
>>> news:hi6mlg99o64mvvi5h44oa5uok11mc4rrp9@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 06:49:07 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
>>>> <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 4:48:55 PM UTC-4, Salad Dodger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm keen to release some equity and go a bit rural, but I'm in a
>>>>>> minority.
>>>>
>>>>> If you're in the minority in a house of two occupants, I think you're
>>>>> going to have to re-think your posting name...
>>>>
>>>> Heh. I thought much the same. But I'm guessing the constitution in
>>>> place at Dodger's residence is not "one (wo)man, one vote" :-)
>>>
>>> there's more than 2 residents...
>>
>> It's not universal franchise.
>
>When do you expect to be allowed a vote?

When Beelzebub gets his first set of skates.
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT), WUN <nigel.eaton@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 3:57:23 PM UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 15:39:43 UTC+1, WUN wrote:
>>
>> > Turns out he was thinking of the effect on the value of the house, but I fucking
>> > near pissed myself when he told me about how he got a strange reaction.
>> 'Thinking about the value of his house'.
>>
>> Yeah... that's why he was interested in schools. Sure.
>
>*Exactly*.

Now if he'd asked if there were any _bad_ schools around...

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On 10/6/2021 8:02 AM, WUN wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 3:57:23 PM UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 15:39:43 UTC+1, WUN wrote:
>>
>>> Turns out he was thinking of the effect on the value of the house, but I fucking
>>> near pissed myself when he told me about how he got a strange reaction.
>> 'Thinking about the value of his house'.
>>
>> Yeah... that's why he was interested in schools. Sure.
>
> *Exactly*.
>
IME, schools usually have single female teachers and parents around.
(Thinking positively...)

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Champ wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:01:14 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Ditto houses in good school catchment areas.
>
> Not a requirement for you or Dodger, I'd have thought

Well, quite. The point was that, for us & Dodger, it's obviously worth
looking for houses *outside* of good school catchment areas to avoid
the premium.

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On 10/6/2021 2:44 PM, CT wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:01:14 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ditto houses in good school catchment areas.
>>
>> Not a requirement for you or Dodger, I'd have thought
>
> Well, quite. The point was that, for us & Dodger, it's obviously worth
> looking for houses *outside* of good school catchment areas to avoid
> the premium.
>
So, you want to live in a dummy neighborhood?

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On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:09:49 +0100, Salad Dodger
<salad.dodger@idnet.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:26:08 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>wrote:

>>>>>>> I'm keen to release some equity and go a bit rural, but I'm in a
>>>>>>> minority.

>>>>> I'm guessing the constitution in
>>>>> place at Dodger's residence is not "one (wo)man, one vote" :-)

>>> It's not universal franchise.

>>When do you expect to be allowed a vote?

>When Beelzebub gets his first set of skates.

<applause>
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On 07/10/2021 01:09, Turby wrote:
> On 10/6/2021 2:44 PM, CT wrote:
>> Champ wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:01:14 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ditto houses in good school catchment areas.
>>>
>>> Not a requirement for you or Dodger, I'd have thought
>>
>> Well, quite. The point was that, for us & Dodger, it's obviously worth
>> looking for houses *outside* of good school catchment areas to avoid
>> the premium.
>>
> So, you want to live in a dummy neighborhood?
>
>

It doesn't work like that here.

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Andy Burns wrote:

> but I get the feeling it's probably 'over' as long as people don't
> go mad ...

I came back from the railway station to my house and passed four petrol
stations - only one had petrol (but no diesel) and was open (the others
had cones blocking entry and yellow clips on the pumps), and,
surprisingly not a queue.

Filled up the bike - just as well as it wasn't far off fuel light time.

I suspect it (delivery problems) isn't over just yet.

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sweller wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> I get the feeling it's probably 'over' as long as people don't
>> go mad ...
>
> I suspect it (delivery problems) isn't over just yet.

Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been back to
normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...

I did see one motorway gantry sign this week that the services by east midlands
airport had no diesel at the car pumps.

On 08/10/2021 09:14, Andy Burns wrote:
> sweller wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> I get the feeling it's probably 'over' as long as people don't
>>> go mad ...
>>
>> I suspect it (delivery problems) isn't over just yet.
>
> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been back
> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>

Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)

> I did see one motorway gantry sign this week that the services by east
> midlands airport had no diesel at the car pumps.
>

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Andy Burns wrote:
> sweller wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> I get the feeling it's probably 'over' as long as people don't
>>> go mad ...
>> I suspect it (delivery problems) isn't over just yet.
>
> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been back to
> normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...

Norfolk and Cambridgeshire are still having issues;
Plenty of completely closed stations and those that are open tend not to
have diesel. Not many queues though.

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:01:53 +0100, YTC#1
<bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:

>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been back
>> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...

>Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)

It's not often *I* get to say this, but that's definitely the Midlands
:-)
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:22:32 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:01:53 +0100, YTC#1
><bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been back
>>> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>
>>Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)
>
>It's not often *I* get to say this, but that's definitely the Midlands
>:-)

Yeah, the whole North/South dividing line idea is dodgy. If it exists
at all it's flexible and sometimes dotted. It's only ever referenced ,
usually in economic terms, but sometimes cultural and/or liguistic as
well, by those who don't live anywher near their imagined line.

Growing up in Derby, the North started at the Yorkshire border,
Sheffield being North, but Chesterfield, in Derbyshire, not Nonrth. So
no question, I am not a Northerner. Then again, all the Southerners
talk funny, can't pronouce their grass, bath and bastard properly, so
I'm definitely not a Southerner.

Does the same attitude apply to all the aforementioned counties, I
wonder?
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On 08/10/2021 12:07, Ace wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:22:32 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:01:53 +0100, YTC#1
>> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been back
>>>> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>>
>>> Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)
>>
>> It's not often *I* get to say this, but that's definitely the Midlands
>> :-)
>
> Yeah, the whole North/South dividing line idea is dodgy. If it exists

When I am in Edinburgh I am "southern"
>

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On 08/10/2021 12:07, Ace wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:22:32 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:01:53 +0100, YTC#1
>> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been back
>>>> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>>
>>> Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)
>>
>> It's not often *I* get to say this, but that's definitely the Midlands
>> :-)
>
> Yeah, the whole North/South dividing line idea is dodgy. If it exists
> at all it's flexible and sometimes dotted. It's only ever referenced ,
> usually in economic terms, but sometimes cultural and/or liguistic as
> well, by those who don't live anywher near their imagined line.
>
> Growing up in Derby, the North started at the Yorkshire border,
> Sheffield being North, but Chesterfield, in Derbyshire, not Nonrth. So
> no question, I am not a Northerner. Then again, all the Southerners
> talk funny, can't pronouce their grass, bath and bastard properly, so
> I'm definitely not a Southerner.
>
> Does the same attitude apply to all the aforementioned counties, I
> wonder?

I don't know but I grew up in Nottingham, which I always felt (and still
feel) is 'midlands'. Like you I felt that the north started at the
Yorkshire border BUT having spent my teenage years in Worksop (Notts)
that was most definitely 'north'. Therefore, I now think the 'north'
line should be drawn across Notts somewhere between Warsop (pronounced
'Worsup') and Worksop (pronounced 'Wassup').
I do agree that about the divide being between Chesterfield and
Sheffield across Derbyshire though. Mynde Ewe, that is where the
boundary is anyway :-)
As for Lincolnshire, I was in Louth the other week and that seems to be
neither midlands nor, most defintely, NOT north. So, regarding Grimsby &
Immingham too, I think the Humber is the border to the east and yet
Scunthorpe is definitely northern.
Maybe we could draw a UKRM border map?
:-)

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On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:18:55 +0100, "ChrisND @UKRM"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

>Maybe we could draw a UKRM border map?

A4 from Avonmouth into London, then the A13 coming out the other side.

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On 08/10/2021 15:18, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 12:07, Ace wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:22:32 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:01:53 +0100, YTC#1
>>> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been
>>>>> back
>>>>> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>>>
>>>> Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)
>>>
>>> It's not often *I* get to say this, but that's definitely the Midlands
>>> :-)
>>
>> Yeah, the whole North/South dividing line idea is dodgy. If it exists
>> at all it's flexible and sometimes dotted. It's only ever referenced ,
>> usually in economic terms, but sometimes cultural and/or liguistic as
>> well, by those who don't live anywher near their imagined line.
>>
>> Growing up in Derby, the North started at the Yorkshire border,
>> Sheffield being North, but Chesterfield, in Derbyshire, not Nonrth. So
>> no question, I am not a Northerner. Then again, all the Southerners
>> talk funny, can't pronouce their grass, bath and bastard properly, so
>> I'm definitely not a Southerner.
>>
>> Does the same attitude apply to all the aforementioned counties, I
>> wonder?
>
> I don't know but I grew up in Nottingham, which I always felt (and still
> feel) is 'midlands'.  Like you I felt that the north started at the
> Yorkshire border BUT having spent my teenage years in Worksop (Notts)
> that was most definitely 'north'.  Therefore, I now think the 'north'
> line should be drawn across Notts somewhere between Warsop (pronounced
> 'Worsup') and Worksop (pronounced 'Wassup').
>  I do agree that about the divide being between Chesterfield and
> Sheffield across Derbyshire though. Mynde Ewe, that is where the
> boundary is anyway :-)
> As for Lincolnshire, I was in Louth the other week and that seems to be
> neither midlands nor, most defintely, NOT north. So, regarding Grimsby &
> Immingham too, I think the Humber is the border to the east and yet
> Scunthorpe is definitely northern.
> Maybe we could draw a UKRM border map?
> :-)
>
>

How about the East/West divide?

The Pennines is too logical a thing to use.

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On 08/10/2021 16:52, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 15:18, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>> On 08/10/2021 12:07, Ace wrote:
>>> On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:22:32 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:01:53 +0100, YTC#1
>>>> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has
>>>>>> been back
>>>>>> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>>>>
>>>>> Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)
>>>>
>>>> It's not often *I* get to say this, but that's definitely the Midlands
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Yeah, the whole North/South dividing line idea is dodgy. If it exists
>>> at all it's flexible and sometimes dotted. It's only ever referenced ,
>>> usually in economic terms, but sometimes cultural and/or liguistic as
>>> well, by those who don't live anywher near their imagined line.
>>>
>>> Growing up in Derby, the North started at the Yorkshire border,
>>> Sheffield being North, but Chesterfield, in Derbyshire, not Nonrth. So
>>> no question, I am not a Northerner. Then again, all the Southerners
>>> talk funny, can't pronouce their grass, bath and bastard properly, so
>>> I'm definitely not a Southerner.
>>>
>>> Does the same attitude apply to all the aforementioned counties, I
>>> wonder?
>>
>> I don't know but I grew up in Nottingham, which I always felt (and
>> still feel) is 'midlands'.  Like you I felt that the north started at
>> the Yorkshire border BUT having spent my teenage years in Worksop
>> (Notts) that was most definitely 'north'.  Therefore, I now think the
>> 'north' line should be drawn across Notts somewhere between Warsop
>> (pronounced 'Worsup') and Worksop (pronounced 'Wassup').
>>   I do agree that about the divide being between Chesterfield and
>> Sheffield across Derbyshire though. Mynde Ewe, that is where the
>> boundary is anyway :-)
>> As for Lincolnshire, I was in Louth the other week and that seems to
>> be neither midlands nor, most defintely, NOT north. So, regarding
>> Grimsby & Immingham too, I think the Humber is the border to the east
>> and yet Scunthorpe is definitely northern.
>> Maybe we could draw a UKRM border map?
>> :-)
>>
>>
>
> How about the East/West divide?
>
> The Pennines is too logical a thing to use.

Offa's Dyke?

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On 08/10/2021 17:01, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 16:52, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 08/10/2021 15:18, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>>> On 08/10/2021 12:07, Ace wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:22:32 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:01:53 +0100, YTC#1
>>>>> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has
>>>>>>> been back
>>>>>>> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not often *I* get to say this, but that's definitely the Midlands
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, the whole North/South dividing line idea is dodgy. If it exists
>>>> at all it's flexible and sometimes dotted. It's only ever referenced ,
>>>> usually in economic terms, but sometimes cultural and/or liguistic as
>>>> well, by those who don't live anywher near their imagined line.
>>>>
>>>> Growing up in Derby, the North started at the Yorkshire border,
>>>> Sheffield being North, but Chesterfield, in Derbyshire, not Nonrth. So
>>>> no question, I am not a Northerner. Then again, all the Southerners
>>>> talk funny, can't pronouce their grass, bath and bastard properly, so
>>>> I'm definitely not a Southerner.
>>>>
>>>> Does the same attitude apply to all the aforementioned counties, I
>>>> wonder?
>>>
>>> I don't know but I grew up in Nottingham, which I always felt (and
>>> still feel) is 'midlands'.  Like you I felt that the north started at
>>> the Yorkshire border BUT having spent my teenage years in Worksop
>>> (Notts) that was most definitely 'north'.  Therefore, I now think the
>>> 'north' line should be drawn across Notts somewhere between Warsop
>>> (pronounced 'Worsup') and Worksop (pronounced 'Wassup').
>>>   I do agree that about the divide being between Chesterfield and
>>> Sheffield across Derbyshire though. Mynde Ewe, that is where the
>>> boundary is anyway :-)
>>> As for Lincolnshire, I was in Louth the other week and that seems to
>>> be neither midlands nor, most defintely, NOT north. So, regarding
>>> Grimsby & Immingham too, I think the Humber is the border to the east
>>> and yet Scunthorpe is definitely northern.
>>> Maybe we could draw a UKRM border map?
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> How about the East/West divide?
>>
>> The Pennines is too logical a thing to use.
>
> Offa's Dyke?
>
>

Works for me :-)

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On 10/8/2021 8:52 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>
>
> How about the East/West divide?
>
> The Pennines is too logical a thing to use.
>
>
The Pond. Obviously.

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YTC#1 <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
> How about the East/West divide?
>
> The Pennines is too logical a thing to use.

Anything east of Swindon and south of Watford Gap has always
been bad news in my opinion.

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On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 18:45:04 -0000 (UTC), crn@nospam.com wrote:

>YTC#1 <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> How about the East/West divide?
>>
>> The Pennines is too logical a thing to use.
>
>Anything east of Swindon and south of Watford Gap has always
>been bad news in my opinion.

Leamington Spa?
Stratford-upon-Avon?
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 10:09:35 +0100, Sqirrel99
<secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

>Andy Burns wrote:
>> sweller wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> I get the feeling it's probably 'over' as long as people don't
>>>> go mad ...
>>> I suspect it (delivery problems) isn't over just yet.
>>
>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been back to
>> normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>
>Norfolk and Cambridgeshire are still having issues;
>Plenty of completely closed stations and those that are open tend not to
>have diesel. Not many queues though.

NIn Newmarket, whici is a sort of Suffolk Pseudopod into
Cambridgeshire, was OK this evening. I managed to fill two 5L plastic
petrol cans without problems; no queue at all.

--

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Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@idnet.com> wrote in
news:qtb1mghvaa8hi8i6e87vk9klkut6ins9bv@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 18:45:04 -0000 (UTC), crn@nospam.com wrote:
>
>>YTC#1 <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> How about the East/West divide?
>>>
>>> The Pennines is too logical a thing to use.
>>
>>Anything east of Swindon and south of Watford Gap has always
>>been bad news in my opinion.
>
> Leamington Spa?
> Stratford-upon-Avon?

Chipping Norton is bob on though

On 08/10/2021 15:18, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 12:07, Ace wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 11:22:32 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:01:53 +0100, YTC#1
>>> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Obviously there's a north/south divide involved, it really has been
>>>>> back
>>>>> to normal around notts/leics/lincs for at least a week ...
>>>
>>>> Careful, you may start sounding northern. :-)
>>>
>>> It's not often *I* get to say this, but that's definitely the Midlands
>>> :-)
>>
>> Yeah, the whole North/South dividing line idea is dodgy. If it exists
>> at all it's flexible and sometimes dotted. It's only ever referenced ,
>> usually in economic terms, but sometimes cultural and/or liguistic as
>> well, by those who don't live anywher near their imagined line.
>>
>> Growing up in Derby, the North started at the Yorkshire border,
>> Sheffield being North, but Chesterfield, in Derbyshire, not Nonrth. So
>> no question, I am not a Northerner. Then again, all the Southerners
>> talk funny, can't pronouce their grass, bath and bastard properly, so
>> I'm definitely not a Southerner.
>>
>> Does the same attitude apply to all the aforementioned counties, I
>> wonder?
>
> I don't know but I grew up in Nottingham, which I always felt (and still
> feel) is 'midlands'.  Like you I felt that the north started at the
> Yorkshire border BUT having spent my teenage years in Worksop (Notts)
> that was most definitely 'north'.  Therefore, I now think the 'north'
> line should be drawn across Notts somewhere between Warsop (pronounced
> 'Worsup') and Worksop (pronounced 'Wassup').
>  I do agree that about the divide being between Chesterfield and
> Sheffield across Derbyshire though. Mynde Ewe, that is where the
> boundary is anyway :-)
> As for Lincolnshire, I was in Louth the other week and that seems to be
> neither midlands nor, most defintely, NOT north. So, regarding Grimsby &
> Immingham too, I think the Humber is the border to the east and yet
> Scunthorpe is definitely northern.

I was born in That London, grew up in Solihull (just to the south-east
of Birmingham) and now live in Tamworth (north-east of Birmingham) so
definitely a Midlander. I regard the Liverpool to Hull conurbation as
the border of the North (the bit where it's fucking impossible to find a
decent north-south road and you have to resort to motorway).

As everyone knows, Balham is the Gateway to the South.