On 17/09/2021 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 17/9/21 1:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 10:55 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>>>>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies
>>>>>>> the owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your
>>>>>> groceries - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>>>
>>> Depends on what you're buying. If you're getting a couple of bags
>>> worth that costs 30 bucks they can be a heavy carry home, but paying
>>> an extra ten bucks for delivery makes them expensive.
>>>
>>>>> Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a
>>>>> small folding trolley.
>>>>
>>>> We just did the weekly grocery run, 5 bags of which 2 were quite
>>>> heavy, I suppose that they might have fitted in one of those garden
>>>> trollies that Bunnings sell. However the Woolies is about 6 Km from
>>>> home so that would be impractical.
>>>
>>> This has been an argument going on between the "car needs" and the
>>> "car don't needs" for eons. A lot of people claim that "no one needs
>>> a car", and that might be fine from their perspective but not
>>> everyone lives in the same bubble.
>>>
>>> As you say 6km's is a fair hike to walk with a shit-tonne of
>>> groceries in a trolley, and I don't think I'd like to do it on a hot
>>> day with a stack of frozen items. My nearest supermarkets are around
>>> 7km's in either direction, and there is no pedestrian access to one
>>> of them. Cars are just convenient for most.
>>>
>>> Delivery services are fine, but not everyone can afford them and
>>> they're not always convenient.
>>>
>> They're probably cheaper than running a car especially for that purpose.
>
> If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
> However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
> Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to Bunnings
> since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round trip. On the
> way home I detoured slightly and called in to the supermarket. I didn't
> *need* to go but, since I was on the road anyway, I purchased a few
> items that I would need over the next few days. To do those two trips by
> *bus* would have taken a decent chunk of time out of my day and
> necessitated a hike to and from the bus stop as well as matching up bus
> timetables - would have required multiple bus trips, such are the routes
> here. Would I like doing that laden with groceries? Nah! The car's most
> useful feature for private individuals is its *convenience*, an
> *intangible*, and you cannot put a price tag on that.
>
That's irrelevant to the OPs problem, since he appears to only use his
car for shopping, your case is obviously different.

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 17/9/21 1:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 10:55 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/09/2021 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>>>>>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies
>>>>>>>> the owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your
>>>>>>> groceries - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on what you're buying. If you're getting a couple of bags
>>>> worth that costs 30 bucks they can be a heavy carry home, but paying
>>>> an extra ten bucks for delivery makes them expensive.
>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a
>>>>>> small folding trolley.
>>>>>
>>>>> We just did the weekly grocery run, 5 bags of which 2 were quite
>>>>> heavy, I suppose that they might have fitted in one of those garden
>>>>> trollies that Bunnings sell. However the Woolies is about 6 Km from
>>>>> home so that would be impractical.
>>>>
>>>> This has been an argument going on between the "car needs" and the
>>>> "car don't needs" for eons. A lot of people claim that "no one needs
>>>> a car", and that might be fine from their perspective but not
>>>> everyone lives in the same bubble.
>>>>
>>>> As you say 6km's is a fair hike to walk with a shit-tonne of
>>>> groceries in a trolley, and I don't think I'd like to do it on a hot
>>>> day with a stack of frozen items. My nearest supermarkets are around
>>>> 7km's in either direction, and there is no pedestrian access to one
>>>> of them. Cars are just convenient for most.
>>>>
>>>> Delivery services are fine, but not everyone can afford them and
>>>> they're not always convenient.
>>>>
>>> They're probably cheaper than running a car especially for that purpose.
>>
>> If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
>> However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
>> Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to Bunnings
>> since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round trip. On the
>> way home I detoured slightly and called in to the supermarket. I didn't
>> *need* to go but, since I was on the road anyway, I purchased a few
>> items that I would need over the next few days. To do those two trips by
>> *bus* would have taken a decent chunk of time out of my day and
>> necessitated a hike to and from the bus stop as well as matching up bus
>> timetables - would have required multiple bus trips, such are the routes
>> here. Would I like doing that laden with groceries? Nah! The car's most
>> useful feature for private individuals is its *convenience*, an
>> *intangible*, and you cannot put a price tag on that.
>>
> That's irrelevant to the OPs problem, since he appears to only use his
> car for shopping, your case is obviously different.
>
Nope, the convenience intangible applies to everyone who can afford a car.
The OP bought new, ergo he can afford it. In my case, we have two cars
because we can afford them and, currently, need both. That will change when
my wife decides to give up work. We won’t *need* a car at all then but I
will definitely welcome the *convenience* of having one in the garage ready
for whatever circumstance turns up.

——
Xeno

On 17/09/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:

>> If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
>> However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
>> Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to
>> Bunnings since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round
>> trip. On the way home I detoured slightly and called in to the
>> supermarket. I didn't *need* to go but, since I was on the road
>> anyway, I purchased a few items that I would need over the next few
>> days. To do those two trips by *bus* would have taken a decent chunk
>> of time out of my day and necessitated a hike to and from the bus stop
>> as well as matching up bus timetables - would have required multiple
>> bus trips, such are the routes here. Would I like doing that laden
>> with groceries? Nah! The car's most useful feature for private
>> individuals is its *convenience*, an *intangible*, and you cannot put
>> a price tag on that.
>>
> That's irrelevant to the OPs problem, since he appears to only use his
> car for shopping, your case is obviously different.

It is, but then that's his standard operating procedure. Turn the
conversation into it being all about him so he can make lots of
incredibly inane and completely irrelevant "me" posts.

As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling for the
sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his lifestyle
justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he should probably
consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for him.

--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 17/9/21 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
>>> However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
>>> Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to
>>> Bunnings since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round
>>> trip. On the way home I detoured slightly and called in to the
>>> supermarket. I didn't *need* to go but, since I was on the road
>>> anyway, I purchased a few items that I would need over the next few
>>> days. To do those two trips by *bus* would have taken a decent chunk
>>> of time out of my day and necessitated a hike to and from the bus
>>> stop as well as matching up bus timetables - would have required
>>> multiple bus trips, such are the routes here. Would I like doing that
>>> laden with groceries? Nah! The car's most useful feature for private
>>> individuals is its *convenience*, an *intangible*, and you cannot put
>>> a price tag on that.
>>>
>> That's irrelevant to the OPs problem, since he appears to only use his
>> car for shopping, your case is obviously different.
>
> It is, but then that's his standard operating procedure. Turn the
> conversation into it being all about him so he can make lots of
> incredibly inane and completely irrelevant "me" posts.

Why Darren, you must be looking into the mirror yet again. You know, we
really should address you as Alice 'cause you sure do love your looking
glass.
>
> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling for the
> sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his lifestyle
> justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he should probably
> consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for him.
>

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
>>> However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
>>> Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to
>>> Bunnings since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round
>>> trip. On the way home I detoured slightly and called in to the
>>> supermarket. I didn't *need* to go but, since I was on the road
>>> anyway, I purchased a few items that I would need over the next few
>>> days. To do those two trips by *bus* would have taken a decent chunk
>>> of time out of my day and necessitated a hike to and from the bus
>>> stop as well as matching up bus timetables - would have required
>>> multiple bus trips, such are the routes here. Would I like doing that
>>> laden with groceries? Nah! The car's most useful feature for private
>>> individuals is its *convenience*, an *intangible*, and you cannot put
>>> a price tag on that.
>>>
>> That's irrelevant to the OPs problem, since he appears to only use his
>> car for shopping, your case is obviously different.
>
> It is, but then that's his standard operating procedure. Turn the
> conversation into it being all about him so he can make lots of
> incredibly inane and completely irrelevant "me" posts.
>
> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling for the
> sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his lifestyle
> justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he should probably
> consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for him.
>
Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
unemployable and on benefits.

On 17/09/2021 4:19 pm, Xeno wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 17/9/21 1:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 17/09/2021 10:55 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/09/2021 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>>>>>>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies
>>>>>>>>> the owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your
>>>>>>>> groceries - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on what you're buying. If you're getting a couple of bags
>>>>> worth that costs 30 bucks they can be a heavy carry home, but paying
>>>>> an extra ten bucks for delivery makes them expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a
>>>>>>> small folding trolley.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We just did the weekly grocery run, 5 bags of which 2 were quite
>>>>>> heavy, I suppose that they might have fitted in one of those garden
>>>>>> trollies that Bunnings sell. However the Woolies is about 6 Km from
>>>>>> home so that would be impractical.
>>>>>
>>>>> This has been an argument going on between the "car needs" and the
>>>>> "car don't needs" for eons. A lot of people claim that "no one needs
>>>>> a car", and that might be fine from their perspective but not
>>>>> everyone lives in the same bubble.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you say 6km's is a fair hike to walk with a shit-tonne of
>>>>> groceries in a trolley, and I don't think I'd like to do it on a hot
>>>>> day with a stack of frozen items. My nearest supermarkets are around
>>>>> 7km's in either direction, and there is no pedestrian access to one
>>>>> of them. Cars are just convenient for most.
>>>>>
>>>>> Delivery services are fine, but not everyone can afford them and
>>>>> they're not always convenient.
>>>>>
>>>> They're probably cheaper than running a car especially for that purpose.
>>>
>>> If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
>>> However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
>>> Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to Bunnings
>>> since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round trip. On the
>>> way home I detoured slightly and called in to the supermarket. I didn't
>>> *need* to go but, since I was on the road anyway, I purchased a few
>>> items that I would need over the next few days. To do those two trips by
>>> *bus* would have taken a decent chunk of time out of my day and
>>> necessitated a hike to and from the bus stop as well as matching up bus
>>> timetables - would have required multiple bus trips, such are the routes
>>> here. Would I like doing that laden with groceries? Nah! The car's most
>>> useful feature for private individuals is its *convenience*, an
>>> *intangible*, and you cannot put a price tag on that.
>>>
>> That's irrelevant to the OPs problem, since he appears to only use his
>> car for shopping, your case is obviously different.
>>
> Nope, the convenience intangible applies to everyone who can afford a car.
> The OP bought new, ergo he can afford it. In my case, we have two cars
> because we can afford them and, currently, need both. That will change when
> my wife decides to give up work. We won’t *need* a car at all then but I
> will definitely welcome the *convenience* of having one in the garage ready
> for whatever circumstance turns up.

Like I said that's *YOUR* experience, but one size doesn't fit all.

On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling for
>> the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his
>> lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he
>> should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for him.
>>
> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
> stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
> unemployable and on benefits.

Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he posts
around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either remarkably stupid
or 11 years old.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:36:10 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 17/09/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
>>> However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
>>> Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to
>>> Bunnings since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round
>>> trip. On the way home I detoured slightly and called in to the
>>> supermarket. I didn't *need* to go but, since I was on the road
>>> anyway, I purchased a few items that I would need over the next few
>>> days. To do those two trips by *bus* would have taken a decent chunk
>>> of time out of my day and necessitated a hike to and from the bus stop
>>> as well as matching up bus timetables - would have required multiple
>>> bus trips, such are the routes here. Would I like doing that laden
>>> with groceries? Nah! The car's most useful feature for private
>>> individuals is its *convenience*, an *intangible*, and you cannot put
>>> a price tag on that.
>>>
>> That's irrelevant to the OPs problem, since he appears to only use his
>> car for shopping, your case is obviously different.
>
> It is, but then that's his standard operating procedure. Turn the
> conversation into it being all about him so he can make lots of
> incredibly inane and completely irrelevant "me" posts.

Darren Darren on the wall
Who's the biggest self-projectionist of all?
'Why I am!' shrilled Darren
'So domineering I make second look small'.

alvey

On 17/09/2021 5:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling for
>>> the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his
>>> lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he
>>> should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for him.
>>>
>> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
>> stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
>> unemployable and on benefits.
>
> Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he posts
> around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either remarkably stupid
> or 11 years old.

It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing a
uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
laughed out of an introductory class.

On 17/09/2021 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 5:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling for
>>>> the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his
>>>> lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he
>>>> should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for
>>>> him.
>>>>
>>> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
>>> stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
>>> unemployable and on benefits.
>>
>> Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he posts
>> around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either remarkably stupid
>> or 11 years old.
>
> It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing a
> uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
> laughed out of an introductory class.

So he's a troll then. Felix probably dragged him in here. He does that a
lot.

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 17/9/21 7:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 5:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling
>>>>> for the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his
>>>>> lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he
>>>>> should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for
>>>>> him.
>>>>>
>>>> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
>>>> stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
>>>> unemployable and on benefits.
>>>
>>> Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he posts
>>> around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either remarkably
>>> stupid or 11 years old.
>>
>> It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing a
>> uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
>> laughed out of an introductory class.
>
> So he's a troll then. Felix probably dragged him in here. He does that a
> lot.
>
So he bullshits then Darren? Well, well, well, so do you Darren and your
porkies are *HUGE*. So vast and wide ranging are your lies they leave
everyone else in the dust. When it comes to porkies no one can hold a
candle to you.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is
>>>>> it worth me having a car?
>>>>>
>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>> Depreciation?
>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>>>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only
>>>> do so few kms.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>
>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>
>>
>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>
> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>
>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and I
>> intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home which
>> won't be all that often.
>>
> It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.
>
>

plus the ice cream will have melted, if not completely at least to some
extent, depending on the outside temperature. and I would suggest that
if the OP can't decide if he needs a car he doesn't need one. if he
needed a car he wouldn't need to question needing one.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 17/09/2021 3:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 17/9/21 1:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 10:55 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/09/2021 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>>>>>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies
>>>>>>>> the owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your
>>>>>>> groceries - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on what you're buying. If you're getting a couple of bags
>>>> worth that costs 30 bucks they can be a heavy carry home, but paying
>>>> an extra ten bucks for delivery makes them expensive.
>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a
>>>>>> small folding trolley.
>>>>>
>>>>> We just did the weekly grocery run, 5 bags of which 2 were quite
>>>>> heavy, I suppose that they might have fitted in one of those garden
>>>>> trollies that Bunnings sell. However the Woolies is about 6 Km from
>>>>> home so that would be impractical.
>>>>
>>>> This has been an argument going on between the "car needs" and the
>>>> "car don't needs" for eons. A lot of people claim that "no one needs
>>>> a car", and that might be fine from their perspective but not
>>>> everyone lives in the same bubble.
>>>>
>>>> As you say 6km's is a fair hike to walk with a shit-tonne of
>>>> groceries in a trolley, and I don't think I'd like to do it on a hot
>>>> day with a stack of frozen items. My nearest supermarkets are around
>>>> 7km's in either direction, and there is no pedestrian access to one
>>>> of them. Cars are just convenient for most.
>>>>
>>>> Delivery services are fine, but not everyone can afford them and
>>>> they're not always convenient.
>>>>
>>> They're probably cheaper than running a car especially for that purpose.
>>
>> If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
>> However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
>> Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to
>> Bunnings since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round
>> trip. On the way home I detoured slightly and called in to the
>> supermarket. I didn't *need* to go but, since I was on the road
>> anyway, I purchased a few items that I would need over the next few
>> days. To do those two trips by *bus* would have taken a decent chunk
>> of time out of my day and necessitated a hike to and from the bus stop
>> as well as matching up bus timetables - would have required multiple
>> bus trips, such are the routes here. Would I like doing that laden
>> with groceries? Nah! The car's most useful feature for private
>> individuals is its *convenience*, an *intangible*, and you cannot put
>> a price tag on that.
>>
> That's irrelevant to the OPs problem, since he appears to only use his
> car for shopping, your case is obviously different.

I don't only use it for shopping. When relatives visit we go on trips to
the country.

On 18/09/2021 1:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is
>>>>>> it worth me having a car?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>>> Depreciation?
>>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>>>>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only
>>>>> do so few kms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>>
>>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>>
>>>
>>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>>
>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>
>>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and I
>>> intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home which
>>> won't be all that often.
>>>
>> It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.
>>
>>
>
> plus the ice cream will have melted, if not completely at least to some
> extent, depending on the outside temperature. and I would suggest that
> if the OP can't decide if he needs a car he doesn't need one. if he
> needed a car he wouldn't need to question needing one.
>

I don't know whether I need one. If my current car (20 years old)
stopped working and became unviable to fix, I would probably not buy a
new one.

On 17/09/2021 12:16 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 9:11 am, Max wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 8:48 am, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries
>>> - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking when relatives visit - after Covid - we might go on
>> trips to the country in the car.  But then I could just hire a car for
>> a day, couldn't I ?
>
> Is this a question you *really* need to ask, or are you just trolling
> for the sake of it?
>

It is a serious question. If my current car (20 years old) stopped
working and became unviable to fix, I would probably not buy a new one.

Does that mean I should get rid of the car now?

It's like the old adage about share trading:

"If you wouldn't buy the stock now, then sell it."

On 17/09/2021 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 5:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling for
>>>> the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his
>>>> lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he
>>>> should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for
>>>> him.
>>>>
>>> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
>>> stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
>>> unemployable and on benefits.
>>
>> Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he posts
>> around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either remarkably stupid
>> or 11 years old.
>
> It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing a
> uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
> laughed out of an introductory class.
>

I got a uni computer degree a while back. This is a new course I am
doing and the last subject I did I got 93%. Far from being laughed out
of the class, I was helping others to do it.

Now who looks stupid?

On 18/09/2021 8:03 am, Max wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 5:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling
>>>>> for the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his
>>>>> lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he
>>>>> should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for
>>>>> him.
>>>>>
>>>> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
>>>> stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
>>>> unemployable and on benefits.
>>>
>>> Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he posts
>>> around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either remarkably
>>> stupid or 11 years old.
>>
>> It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing a
>> uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
>> laughed out of an introductory class.
>>
>
> I got a uni computer degree a while back.  This is a new course I am
> doing and the last subject I did I got 93%.  Far from being laughed out
> of the class, I was helping others to do it.
>
> Now who looks stupid?

Saying it doesn't make it so. We have a bloke in here claiming to be a
qualified mechanic too...

On 18/09/2021 10:03 am, Max wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 5:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling
>>>>> for the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his
>>>>> lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he
>>>>> should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it for
>>>>> him.
>>>>>
>>>> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
>>>> stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
>>>> unemployable and on benefits.
>>>
>>> Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he posts
>>> around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either remarkably
>>> stupid or 11 years old.
>>
>> It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing a
>> uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
>> laughed out of an introductory class.
>>
>
> I got a uni computer degree a while back.  This is a new course I am
> doing and the last subject I did I got 93%.  Far from being laughed out
> of the class, I was helping others to do it.
>
> Now who looks stupid?

I'm afraid that you do every time you post.

On 18/09/2021 7:51 am, Max wrote:
> On 18/09/2021 1:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is
>>>>>>> it worth me having a car?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>>>> Depreciation?
>>>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego
>>>>>> and insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to
>>>>>> only do so few kms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>>>
>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>
>>>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and
>>>> I intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home
>>>> which won't be all that often.
>>>>
>>> It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> plus the ice cream will have melted, if not completely at least to
>> some extent, depending on the outside temperature. and I would suggest
>> that if the OP can't decide if he needs a car he doesn't need one. if
>> he needed a car he wouldn't need to question needing one.
>>
>
> I don't know whether I need one.  If my current car (20 years old)
> stopped working and became unviable to fix, I would probably not buy a
> new one.
>

You can work out whether you need one very easily.

Stop driving it and see how you go.

On 18/09/2021 10:03 am, Max wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>> It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing a
>> uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
>> laughed out of an introductory class.
>>
>
> I got a uni computer degree a while back.  This is a new course I am
> doing and the last subject I did I got 93%.  Far from being laughed out
> of the class, I was helping others to do it.
>
> Now who looks stupid?

You do. If you genuinely can't decide for yourself whether owning a car
is economically viable then you're an idiot.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 18/09/2021 10:20 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 18/09/2021 10:03 am, Max wrote:

>> I got a uni computer degree a while back.  This is a new course I am
>> doing and the last subject I did I got 93%.  Far from being laughed
>> out of the class, I was helping others to do it.
>>
>> Now who looks stupid?
>
> I'm afraid that you do every time you post.

Agreed.

He's either remarkably stupid, or he's a ridiculous troll which amounts
to the same thing anyway.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 18/09/2021 10:20 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 18/09/2021 8:03 am, Max wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 5:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling
>>>>>> for the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if
>>>>>> his lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't
>>>>>> then he should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can
>>>>>> do it for him.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is
>>>>> as stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is
>>>>> probably unemployable and on benefits.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he
>>>> posts around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either
>>>> remarkably stupid or 11 years old.
>>>
>>> It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing
>>> a uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
>>> laughed out of an introductory class.
>>>
>>
>> I got a uni computer degree a while back.  This is a new course I am
>> doing and the last subject I did I got 93%.  Far from being laughed
>> out of the class, I was helping others to do it.
>>
>> Now who looks stupid?
>
>
> Saying it doesn't make it so. We have a bloke in here claiming to be a
> qualified mechanic too...

and other things...

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 18/09/2021 10:21 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 18/09/2021 7:51 am, Max wrote:
>> On 18/09/2021 1:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances. 
>>>>>>>> Is it worth me having a car?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>>>>> Depreciation?
>>>>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego
>>>>>>> and insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car
>>>>>>> to only do so few kms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>>>>
>>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>>>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>>
>>>>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house
>>>>> and I intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry
>>>>> home which won't be all that often.
>>>>>
>>>> It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> plus the ice cream will have melted, if not completely at least to
>>> some extent, depending on the outside temperature. and I would
>>> suggest that if the OP can't decide if he needs a car he doesn't
>>> need one. if he needed a car he wouldn't need to question needing one.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know whether I need one.  If my current car (20 years old)
>> stopped working and became unviable to fix, I would probably not buy
>> a new one.
>>
>
> You can work out whether you need one very easily.
>
> Stop driving it and see how you go.
>
>

LOL! that should work.  :)

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 9/18/2021 10:03 AM, Max wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 5:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 5:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/09/2021 4:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As far as the original poster goes if he's not actually trolling
>>>>> for the sake of it he should be able to determine *himself* if his
>>>>> lifestyle justifies the cost of owning a car. If he can't then he
>>>>> should probably consider taking a bus, as no one else can do it
>>>>> for him.
>>>>>
>>>> Yearh well he probably is trolling as usual, but if he really is as
>>>> stupid as the level of his questions suggest, then he is probably
>>>> unemployable and on benefits.
>>>
>>> Agreed. I don't know of the guy other than what little crap he posts
>>> around here, but from what I *have* seen he's either remarkably
>>> stupid or 11 years old.
>>
>> It's the same in several other NGs. In one he said that he is doing a
>> uni computer course, the question that he asked would have got him
>> laughed out of an introductory class.
>>
>
> I got a uni computer degree a while back.  This is a new course I am
> doing and the last subject I did I got 93%.  Far from being laughed
> out of the class, I was helping others to do it.
>
> Now who looks stupid?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You!. (still) Judging by the Q's you have asked in usenet now and in the
past.

    You`re a dickhead troll, plain and simple.

--
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea. Massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." — Gene
Spafford, 1992

On 18/09/2021 9:51 am, Max wrote:
> On 18/09/2021 1:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is
>>>>>>> it worth me having a car?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>>>> Depreciation?
>>>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego
>>>>>> and insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to
>>>>>> only do so few kms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>>>
>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>
>>>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and
>>>> I intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home
>>>> which won't be all that often.
>>>>
>>> It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> plus the ice cream will have melted, if not completely at least to
>> some extent, depending on the outside temperature. and I would
>> suggest that if the OP can't decide if he needs a car he doesn't need
>> one. if he needed a car he wouldn't need to question needing one.
>>
>
> I don't know whether I need one.  If my current car (20 years old)
> stopped working and became unviable to fix, I would probably not buy a
> new one.
>

then it would be (almost) worthless. so I see your dilemma.. selling the
car and saving $1,500 pa vs cost and inconvenience of other options.
personally I wouldn't choose to be without a car.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry