On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
[....]
> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>
> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers connected to
> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple could or
> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid idiot.

Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy

On 06/02/2022 23:59, nospam wrote:
> In article <2CYLJ.25159$fIV5.11079@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> THIS was installed by Apple recently with *NO* input from me:-
>
> false. it was due to input from you.

WHAT input?

Ticking these boxes? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy

>> XProtectPlistConfigData:
>>
>> Version: 2155
>> Source: Apple
>> Install Date: 04/02/2022, 14:30
>>
>> ==========================================
>>
>> Explain
>
> the reason is simple: you're stupid.

You are unable to explain.

On 07/02/2022 03:40, Wolffan wrote:
> On 2022 Feb 06, David Brooks wrote
> (in article <2CYLJ.25159$fIV5.11079@fx12.ams1>):
>
>> On 06/02/2022 23:00, nospam wrote:
>>> In article<YnYLJ.38735$sga6.36975@fx10.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, Apple does appear to
>>>> 'monitor' ALL Apple computers connected to the Internet and can control
>>>> ALL of them whenever urgent action is required - that my belief anyway.
>>>
>>> tin foil, aisle 4.
>>>
>>> you must also believe the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked.
>>
>> THIS was installed by Apple recently with *NO* input from me:-
>>
>> XProtectPlistConfigData:
>>
>> Version: 2155
>> Source: Apple
>> Install Date: 04/02/2022, 14:30
>>
>> ==========================================
>>
>> Explain
>
> it’s a security update. you had to install it from softwre update. you’re
> an idiot.

It *IS* a security update

*NO* - I did *NOT* have to install it.

See https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy

On 07/02/2022 04:24, Bob Campbell wrote:
> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 06/02/2022 23:00, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <YnYLJ.38735$sga6.36975@fx10.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, Apple does appear to
>>>> 'monitor' ALL Apple computers connected to the Internet and can control
>>>> ALL of them whenever urgent action is required - that my belief anyway.
>>>
>>> tin foil, aisle 4.
>>>
>>> you must also believe the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked.
>>
>>
>> THIS was installed by Apple recently with *NO* input from me:-
>>
>> XProtectPlistConfigData:
>>
>> Version: 2155
>> Source: Apple
>> Install Date: 04/02/2022, 14:30
>>
>> ==========================================
>>
>> Explain
>>
>
> Do you ever get tired of being massively stupid? Why aren’t you ashamed
> and embarrassed by posting such absurd drivel?

What I claimed is correct.

Perhaps you don't have YOUR boxes ticked. These:- https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy

On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
(in article <AN6MJ.12393$wLv5.337@fx13.ams1>):

> On 07/02/2022 03:40, Wolffan wrote:
> > On 2022 Feb 06, David Brooks wrote
> > (in article <2CYLJ.25159$fIV5.11079@fx12.ams1>):
> >
> > > On 06/02/2022 23:00, nospam wrote:
> > > > In article<YnYLJ.38735$sga6.36975@fx10.ams1>, David Brooks
> > > > <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > However, Apple does appear to
> > > > > 'monitor' ALL Apple computers connected to the Internet and can control
> > > > > ALL of them whenever urgent action is required - that my belief anyway.
> > > >
> > > > tin foil, aisle 4.
> > > >
> > > > you must also believe the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked.
> > >
> > > THIS was installed by Apple recently with *NO* input from me:-
> > >
> > > XProtectPlistConfigData:
> > >
> > > Version: 2155
> > > Source: Apple
> > > Install Date: 04/02/2022, 14:30
> > >
> > > ==========================================
> > >
> > > Explain
> >
> > it’s a security update. you had to install it from softwre update.
> > you’re
> > an idiot.
>
> It *IS* a security update
>
> *NO* - I did *NOT* have to install it.

you did. you’re just too stupid to understand your own actions.
>
>
> See https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy

no-one sane clicks on your links, vile one.

On 2022 Feb 06, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<tv6dnaisU-ZpA53_nZ2dnUU7-L3NnZ2d@supernews.com>):

> David Brooks<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > On 06/02/2022 23:00, nospam wrote:
> > > In article<YnYLJ.38735$sga6.36975@fx10.ams1>, David Brooks
> > > <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > However, Apple does appear to
> > > > 'monitor' ALL Apple computers connected to the Internet and can control
> > > > ALL of them whenever urgent action is required - that my belief anyway.
> > >
> > > tin foil, aisle 4.
> > >
> > > you must also believe the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked.
> >
> >
> > THIS was installed by Apple recently with *NO* input from me:-
> >
> > XProtectPlistConfigData:
> >
> > Version: 2155
> > Source: Apple
> > Install Date: 04/02/2022, 14:30
> >
> > ==========================================
> >
> > Explain
>
> Do you ever get tired of being massively stupid?

nope. he’s Our David. Massively stupid is what he does.
> Why aren’t you ashamed
> and embarrassed by posting such absurd drivel?

ol’ yellowstain is incapable of embarrassment.

On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
(in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):

> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
> [....]
> > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
> > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
> >
> > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers connected
> > to
> > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple could or
> > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid idiot.
>
> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy

i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t click on
your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why don’t yoy
actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature? Oh. Wait.
That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.

In article <cx6MJ.26304$a7S2.4239@fx03.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >> THIS was installed by Apple recently with *NO* input from me:-
> >
> > false. it was due to input from you.
>
> WHAT input?
>
> Ticking these boxes? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy

that input.

the mac is doing exactly what you told it to do, which is automatically
download and install updates.

if you do not want it to do that, then do not tick the relevant boxes.

it's very simple.

> >> XProtectPlistConfigData:
> >>
> >> Version: 2155
> >> Source: Apple
> >> Install Date: 04/02/2022, 14:30
> >>
> >> ==========================================
> >>
> >> Explain
> >
> > the reason is simple: you're stupid.
>
> You are unable to explain.

that is the explanation.

except it's not entirely accurate, stupid would be an improvement.

In article <Eq6MJ.48230$hye7.4287@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >>> Sadly, I don't believe that is true. However, Apple does appear to
> >>> 'monitor' ALL Apple computers connected to the Internet and can control
> >>> ALL of them whenever urgent action is required - that my belief anyway.
> >>
> >> And you don't see that as a problem?!? Your own property can be
> >> controlled by a company? Oh god....
> >
> > it's bullshit.
>
> It's true.

nope. it's very false.

it's flat earth level bullshit.

On 2022 Feb 07, nospam wrote
(in article<070220220856047402%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

> In article<Eq6MJ.48230$hye7.4287@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Sadly, I don't believe that is true. However, Apple does appear to
> > > > > 'monitor' ALL Apple computers connected to the Internet and can control
> > > > > ALL of them whenever urgent action is required - that my belief anyway.
> > > >
> > > > And you don't see that as a problem?!? Your own property can be
> > > > controlled by a company? Oh god....
> > >
> > > it's bullshit.
> >
> > It's true.
>
> nope. it's very false.
>
> it's flat earth level bullshit.

he’s yammering some bullshit about ’ticked boxes’. I figure that he’s
gone to Software Update and clicked on ‘automatically keep my mac
updated’. _Apple_ isn’t ‘monitoring’ his Mac, _his Mac_ is contacting
Apple on a regular basis and checking if there’s anything new since the
last time. And if he was stupid enough to check other boxes, once something
new was available his Mac would install it... just as he had told it to do.
He’s so stupid that he doesn’t understand that _Apple_ isn’t
‘monitoring’ a damn thing, his Mac is doing the communicating... at his
request. All he has to do is to uncheck the lttle box and his Mac stops
yakking to Apple (compare all the crap you have to do to get Windows to stop
yakking to Microsoft...) and, even if he has the ‘check for updates’ box
selected, if he doesn’t have the ‘auto download’ and ‘auto install’
boxes selected all that will happen is that there’ll be a little red badge
on System Preferences and when System Preferences is clicked there’ll be
another little red badge on Software Update. Users can go to Software Update,
have a look at the available updates, select all, one or more, or none of the
updates, and go about their life... and Apple neither knows nor cares about
their choice. There is currently a little red badge on System Prefs on this
Mac; the pirates at Epson want me to install a ‘driver update’. As that
‘update’ causes the printer to start to whine about non-Epson ink carts,
it ain’t gonna get installed. Our David almost certainly has auto install
turned on; no red badges, or at least no red badges for very long, but all
kinds of crap dropped on the system automatically... just as he told his
machine he wanted. THE IDIOT WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO TURN ON AUTO CHECK, AUTO
DOWNLOAD, AND AUTO INSTALL AND THEN TRIES TO SAY THAT IT WASN’T HIM WHO
GAVE PERMISSION FOR STUFF BEING AUTOMATICALLY LOOKED FOR, DOWNLOADED, AND
INSTALLED. He’s severely brain damaged.

In article <0001HW.27B164910319937E70000161138F@news.supernews.com>,
Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

>
> > > > > > Sadly, I don't believe that is true. However, Apple does appear to
> > > > > > 'monitor' ALL Apple computers connected to the Internet and can
> > > > > > control
> > > > > > ALL of them whenever urgent action is required - that my belief
> > > > > > anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you don't see that as a problem?!? Your own property can be
> > > > > controlled by a company? Oh god....
> > > >
> > > > it's bullshit.
> > >
> > > It's true.
> >
> > nope. it's very false.
> >
> > it's flat earth level bullshit.
>
> he¹s yammering some bullshit about ¹ticked boxes¹. I figure that he¹s
> gone to Software Update and clicked on Œautomatically keep my mac
> updated¹.

yep. he explicitly configured his mac to automatically download and
install updates, and much to his surprise, it's doing what he told it
to do.

> _Apple_ isn¹t Œmonitoring¹ his Mac,

of course not. nobody wants to monitor his mac or anything else related
to him.

just imagine what they would find. on second thought, it's best to not
think about that.

> _his Mac_ is contacting
> Apple on a regular basis and checking if there¹s anything new since the
> last time. And if he was stupid enough to check other boxes, once something
> new was available his Mac would install it... just as he had told it to do.

yep.

if only there were a self-destruct box to tick.

better yet, a remote destruct button. just think how many people would
want to click it.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

> On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
> (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>
>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>> [....]
>> > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>> > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>> >
>> > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers connected
>> > to
>> > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple could or
>> > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid idiot.
>>
>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>
> i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t click on
> your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why don’t yoy
> actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature? Oh. Wait.
> That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.

Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?

On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:

> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
> [....]
>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>
>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers connected to
>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple could or
>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid idiot.
>
> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy

Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous' (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."

Mind you Apple state....

"We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have information we will make it available when presented with valid legal process."

https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/

Apple grass you off!

On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
(in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):

> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
> > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
> >
> > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
> > > [....]
> > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is,
> > > > as
> > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
> > > >
> > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers connected
> > > > to
> > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple could
> > > > or
> > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
> > > > idiot.
> > >
> > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
> >
> > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t click on
> > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why don’t yoy
> > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature? Oh. Wait.
> > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>
> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?

ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.

On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>> [....]
>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>
>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>> connected to
>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>> could or
>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>> idiot.
>>
>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked?  https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>
> Those don't look harmfull.  Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>
> Mind you Apple state....
>
> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
> process."
>
> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>
> Apple grass you off!

I'm happy with the Apple stance.

The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.

On 08/02/2022 03:49, Wolffan is a *COWARD* and a *LIAR*

> On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
> (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>> (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>>
>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is,
>>>>> as
>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers connected
>>>>> to
>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple could
>>>>> or
>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>> idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>
>>> i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t click on
>>> your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why don’t yoy
>>> actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature? Oh. Wait.
>>> That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>>
>> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>
> ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.

Almost everyone knows you are a *LIAR*, Wolffan.

You have concocted stories about me which are totally and completely
false. That is the way of a coward. You are one sick puppy. Sad. :-(

--
David

On 2022 Feb 08, David Brooks wrote
(in article <oQsMJ.34859$fIV5.13415@fx12.ams1>):

> On 08/02/2022 03:49, Wolffan is a *COWARD* and a *LIAR*
>
> > On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
> > (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
> >
> > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
> > > > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
> > > > > [....]
> > > > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is,
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
> > > > > > connected
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
> > > > > > idiot.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
> > > >
> > > > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t click on
> > > > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why don’t
> > > > yoy
> > > > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature? Oh.
> > > > Wait.
> > > > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
> > >
> > > Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
> >
> > ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
>
> Almost everyone knows you are a *LIAR*, Wolffan.

the truth burns you, vile one. at least one of the RATs was a Windows RAT,
pretending to be a Flash updater. you ‘joked’ that as it was a Windows
RAT, and was posted to a Mac newsgroup, it’d not cause any trouble.
>
>
> You have concocted stories about me which are totally and completely
> false.

nope. all true. you just can’t stand being revealed to be the vile creature
that you truly are.
> That is the way of a coward.

you’d know about cowardice...
> You are one sick puppy. Sad. :-(

you’re sad, all right.

On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:

> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>> connected to
>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>> could or
>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>> idiot.
>>>
>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>
>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>
>> Mind you Apple state....
>>
>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>> process."
>>
>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>
>> Apple grass you off!
>
> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>
> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.

Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
which is not to say they do this enough.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>
>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>> connected to
>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>> could or
>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>> idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>
>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>
>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>
>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>> process."
>>>
>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>
>>> Apple grass you off!
>>
>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>
>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>
> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
> which is not to say they do this enough.

Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
themselves, could now design and build!

IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
altogether.

On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:

> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>> could or
>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>
>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>
>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>
>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>> process."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>
>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>
>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>
>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>
>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>
> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
> themselves, could now design and build!
>
> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
> altogether.

How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
(though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

> On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
> (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>> > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>> >
>> > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>> > > [....]
>> > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is,
>> > > > as
>> > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>> > > >
>> > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers connected
>> > > > to
>> > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple could
>> > > > or
>> > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>> > > > idiot.
>> > >
>> > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>> >
>> > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t click on
>> > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why don’t yoy
>> > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature? Oh. Wait.
>> > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>>
>> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>
> ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.

If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses, get a virus checker.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:44:14 -0000, wrote:

> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>> connected to
>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>> could or
>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>> idiot.
>>>
>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>
>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>
>> Mind you Apple state....
>>
>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>> process."
>>
>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>
>> Apple grass you off!
>
> I'm happy with the Apple stance.

You're happy they spy on you?

> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.

On 08/02/2022 19:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:44:14 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and
>>>>> is, as
>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>> connected to
>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>> could or
>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>> idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked?  https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>
>>> Those don't look harmfull.  Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>
>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>
>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>> process."
>>>
>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>
>>> Apple grass you off!
>>
>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>
> You're happy they spy on you?

It doesn't bother me at all. Microsoft do it too and, if the truth be
known, every man and his dog on the Internet is gathering personal
information.

So what? Read what pooh says here:- MID
<kkl20h1jku6tk7gpkuh0t6rbi2ti9io5qg@4ax.com>

AFTER he said this!

//Are you so totally unaware that BD is kicking all your arses. He's winning
by a mile. and has been for years.The game is to waste your lives and
he's miles ahead and like donkey's you keep plodding on chasing the
carrot on a string. He beat you all long ago and despite me telling you
this you will keep mainlining like addicts. He has you all hooked. His
revenge must feel real sweet.//

[....]

In article <op.1hadskqbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> >
> > I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>
> You're happy they spy on you?

they do not.

in fact, they go out of their way to mask what they do collect when
possible and not collect it at all if it's not needed.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 19:42:26 -0000, wrote:

> On 08/02/2022 19:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:44:14 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and
>>>>>> is, as
>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>> could or
>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>
>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>
>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>
>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>> process."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>
>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>
>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>
>> You're happy they spy on you?
>
> It doesn't bother me at all. Microsoft do it too and, if the truth be
> known, every man and his dog on the Internet is gathering personal
> information.

They shouldn't be, what you do is nobody's business. There's Duckduckgo, NordVPN, lots of ways to stop it.