On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:13:02 -0000, wrote:

> On 09/02/2022 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 22:45:02 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/02/2022 21:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.
>>>>
>>>> He likes evidence. Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and even
>>>> raised my hand for an easy target. Where is the lighting? Is he
>>>> non-existent or incapable?
>>>
>>> *Ask him to HEAL you ...... and he will*. ❤️
>>
>> My neighbour asked him to heal his wife, the good lord let her die. He
>> is not worthy of worship <snip blasphemous content>
>
> Perhaps it was her time. *Life is a dying business!!

That makes god evil. He's now extremely depressed and needs me and several friends and neighbours to look after him. God could have taken them both together. I think he's lost faith too, he was a baptist minister, but I saw his recycle bin absolutely crammed full of books, and the only books he had were religious ones.

>>> Here's your starter for ten:-
>>>
>>> https://www.xavier.edu/jesuitresource/online-resources/prayer-index/prayers-for-healing
>>>
>>> (From a random Google search)
>>
>> Surely just asking "please heal me" should suffice? Or is he that
>> big-headed?
>
> Not enough. You have to put in to get something out (words to that effect)

So big-headed as I suspected. If someone asks you to do them a favour, do they have to give you a great big long explanation?

> Just say the prayers - you may feel your energy return as you speak.
>
> Try it. Do it for me.

Absolutely not.
https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo

On 09/02/2022 23:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:13:02 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 09/02/2022 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 22:45:02 -0000,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/02/2022 21:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>>> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.
>>>>>
>>>>> He likes evidence.  Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and
>>>>> even
>>>>> raised my hand for an easy target.  Where is the lighting?  Is he
>>>>> non-existent or incapable?
>>>>
>>>> *Ask him to HEAL you ...... and he will*. ❤️
>>>
>>> My neighbour asked him to heal his wife, the good lord let her die.  He
>>> is not worthy of worship <snip blasphemous content>
>>
>> Perhaps it was her time. *Life is a dying business*!!
>
> That makes god evil.  He's now extremely depressed and needs me and
> several friends and neighbours to look after him.  God could have taken
> them both together.  I think he's lost faith too, he was a baptist
> minister, but I saw his recycle bin absolutely crammed full of books,
> and the only books he had were religious ones.

There are no pockets in shrouds.

Thank you for doing your bit to look after him.

>>>> Here's your starter for ten:-
>>>>
>>>> https://www.xavier.edu/jesuitresource/online-resources/prayer-index/prayers-for-healing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (From a random Google search)
>>>
>>> Surely just asking "please heal me" should suffice?  Or is he that
>>> big-headed?
>>
>> Not enough. You have to put in to get something out (words to that
>> effect)
>
> So big-headed as I suspected.  If someone asks you to do them a favour,
> do they have to give you a great big long explanation?

No.

>> Just say the prayers - you may feel your energy return as you speak.
>>
>> Try it. Do it for me.
>
> Absolutely not.
> https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo

What a great clip that is. I love it.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:40:54 -0000, wrote:

> On 09/02/2022 23:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:13:02 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/02/2022 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 22:45:02 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/02/2022 21:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>>>> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He likes evidence. Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> raised my hand for an easy target. Where is the lighting? Is he
>>>>>> non-existent or incapable?
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ask him to HEAL you ...... and he will*. ❤️
>>>>
>>>> My neighbour asked him to heal his wife, the good lord let her die. He
>>>> is not worthy of worship <snip blasphemous content>
>>>
>>> Perhaps it was her time. *Life is a dying business*!!
>>
>> That makes god evil. He's now extremely depressed and needs me and
>> several friends and neighbours to look after him. God could have taken
>> them both together. I think he's lost faith too, he was a baptist
>> minister, but I saw his recycle bin absolutely crammed full of books,
>> and the only books he had were religious ones.
>
> There are no pockets in shrouds.

He's not yet dead and could have many years to go - his brother was 9 years older than him when he died recently. Why has he thrown out all his books?

> Thank you for doing your bit to look after him.

He's got a cook, an electronics expert, a tradesman, his son, and some good friends from the church looking after him. Cleaners and a gardener are upkeeping the place. I think he's just lost and lonely. He needs some hobbies but I can't think of what to suggest as he's had shaky hands since he was 30, so jigsaws, monopoly etc are out of the question.

>>>>> Here's your starter for ten:-
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.xavier.edu/jesuitresource/online-resources/prayer-index/prayers-for-healing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (From a random Google search)
>>>>
>>>> Surely just asking "please heal me" should suffice? Or is he that
>>>> big-headed?
>>>
>>> Not enough. You have to put in to get something out (words to that
>>> effect)
>>
>> So big-headed as I suspected. If someone asks you to do them a favour,
>> do they have to give you a great big long explanation?
>
> No.

Then why does god? A simple "please help my wife" should work.

>>> Just say the prayers - you may feel your energy return as you speak.
>>>
>>> Try it. Do it for me.
>>
>> Absolutely not.
>> https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo
>
> What a great clip that is. I love it.

I'm surprised.

In article <LFMMJ.48726$hye7.45259@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> >>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
> >>>
> >>> it did.
> >>
> >> When?
> >
> > a few years ago.
> >
> > <https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-w
> > ere-much-more-damaging-than-thought/>
> > Donald Trump1s tariffs and the trade war his administration launched
> > against China turned out to be far more damaging than many believed.
> > That is the conclusion of research finding companies, consumers and
> > the U.S. economy paid a heavy price for the Trump administration1s
> > protectionist trade policies.
>
> Do you not understand that having one's enemy manufacture goods for
> one's own consumption is a no-no?

i understand that you're clueless about both manufacturing and foreign
policy, along with everything else.

the tariffs curtailed the usa's involvement with china, with negative
results for just about everyone.

> >>> you are both a bigot and clueless.
> >>
> >> My iMac was built in China.
> >
> > so what?
>
> There may well have been a 'spy' installed within it. There is no way
> for an every-day user to check.

tin foil, aisle 4.

it's not possible for a 'spy' to be installed in an imac, iphone or
anything else for that matter without *someone* detecting it.

a *lot* of people would need to be in on it for it to even be remotely
viable.

> > a lot of things are built in china, including just about all consumer
> > electronics, clothing and quite a bit more.
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn>
> > Notable products manufactured by Foxconn include the BlackBerry,
> > iPad, iPhone, iPod, Kindle, all Nintendo gaming systems since the
> > GameCube (except subsequent Nintendo DS models), Nokia devices,
> > Sony devices (including the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 gaming
> > consoles), Google Pixel devices, Xiaomi devices, every successor
> > to Microsoft's first Xbox console,[11] and several CPU sockets,
> > including the TR4 CPU socket on some motherboards. As of 2012,
> > Foxconn factories manufactured an estimated 40% of all consumer
> > electronics sold worldwide.
>
> Yes, I'd noticed during my visit to the USA in 2004 that the USA had
> chosen a path of self-destruction. Chana has beaten the USA at its own game.

nope. that happened in 2016.

> > china has the ability to scale up to the needed volumes. the usa does
> > not.
>
> Agree, Another failure.

that is not in any way a failure.

you are clueless (which is stating the obvious).

> > another thing you fail to understand is many of the components that are
> > used in apple products (as well as other companies) are made elsewhere.
> > only the final assembly is done in china.
>
> I completely understand that.

nothing you've said supports that you understand *anything* at all.

> > <https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503>
> > Camera: Qualcomm, based in the U.S. with locations in Australia,
> > Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, and more than a
> > dozen locations through Europe and Latin America
> > ...
> > Glass screen: Corning, based in the U.S., with locations in
> > Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Denmark, France, Germany, Hong
> > Kong, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Mexico,
> > Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Taiwan,
> > The Netherlands, Turkey, the U.K., and the United Arab Emirates
> > ...
> > Wi-Fi chip: Murata, based in the U.S. with locations in Japan,
> > Mexico, Brazil, Canada, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand,
> > Malaysia, Philippines, India, Vietnam, The Netherlands, Spain,
> > the U.K., Germany, Hungary, France, Italy, and Finland
> >
> > apple is slowly moving manufacturing to other locations, including
> > india. shutting down china entirely is not a viable option.
>
> What happens if the USA goes to war with China?

a war with china is not an imminent threat, and even less so now that
the orange idiot is gone.

> > some products, such as the trashcan macpro, was made in texas, mostly
> > because it was a low volume product. as it turned out, the volumes were
> > lower than they had hoped for.
>
> A lot of people now buy the cheapest instead of the best.

*whoosh*

not only did you miss the point, but the mac pro was not even close to
the cheapest, and was at the time, apple's best.

> > <https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/apples-new-mac-pro-to-be-made-in-
> > texas/>
> > As part of its commitment to US economic growth, Apple today
> > confirmed that its newly redesigned Mac Pro will be manufactured in
> > Austin, Texas. This latest generation Mac Pro, which was unveiled at
> > Apple1s annual Worldwide Developer Conference in June, will begin
> > production soon at the same Austin facility where Mac Pro has been
> > made since 2013.
>
> Apple should MAKE its products in the USA and SELL them overseas.

no, they should not.

there's a reason that tim cook runs a $3 *trillion* dollar company and
you're a failure in life.

> >> You NEVER back up your claims with evidence.
> >
> > that is very much false.
>
> That had been my experience. Perhaps you post using a pseudonym.

perhaps you're a clueless fuck who is lying.

my post included several cites, as do others.

the only time my posts do not is when it's very obvious and no proof is
needed (e.g., the sky is blue) or it's the proof has been repeated many
times before.

> For what it's worth, NONE of the links you provided here will 'work' in
> my Thunderbird newsreader. An expert like you should correct that or at
> least raise the question of WHY in 'alt.comp.software.thunderbird'.

there's nothing to correct.

my links are rfc compliant and thunderbird is broken.

the issue is well known and its authors aren't interested in fixing it
or any of its other numerous bugs.

Op 10-02-2022 om 02:41 schreef nospam:
>> For what it's worth, NONE of the links you provided here will 'work' in
>> my Thunderbird newsreader. An expert like you should correct that or at
>> least raise the question of WHY in 'alt.comp.software.thunderbird'.
> there's nothing to correct.
>
> my links are rfc compliant and thunderbird is broken.

The links work better when put between quotes instead of < >:
"https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/apples-new-mac-pro-to-be-made-in-texas/"

In article <6204a55a$0$4063$e4fe514c@usenet.xs4all.nl>, Dirk T. Verbeek
<dirk@example.com> wrote:

> >> For what it's worth, NONE of the links you provided here will 'work' in
> >> my Thunderbird newsreader. An expert like you should correct that or at
> >> least raise the question of WHY in 'alt.comp.software.thunderbird'.
> > there's nothing to correct.
> >
> > my links are rfc compliant and thunderbird is broken.
>
> The links work better when put between quotes instead of < >:

<> is correct and works in nearly every app.
"" is not.

thunderbird is broken, and this is just one of its many problems.

nospam wrote:
> <> is correct and works in nearly every app.

It doesn't work in Claws (either), nor do any Claws plugins help.

There have been ancient discussions in news.software.readers about how
to keep Thoth (and others) from wrapping long url/s, but in a long msg
such as is under discussion it would have been tedious to do the
business w/ wrap and unwrap by Thoth.

In my experience of watching discussions of this type, the business of
embracing w/ angle brackets doesn't solve the url wrapping problem very
often, regardless of what some ancient RFC may have said.

The workaround in Tb is to view the source, capture *only* the url
inside the angles (which angles are of no benefit to anything here) and
paste the clipboard reglued url into a browser addressline.

It is true that Tb is not a strong news agent on several levels,
particularly filtering such as scoring, regex, wildcards, and more
recently a discussion of msg fetching by m-id.

This discussion is being cross-posted to too many groups which are
unrelated to each other; ordinarily I would've filtered it.

--
Mike Easter

In article <j6jsanFr9bdU1@mid.individual.net>, Mike Easter
<MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> > <> is correct and works in nearly every app.
>
> It doesn't work in Claws (either), nor do any Claws plugins help.

then that too is broken.

> There have been ancient discussions in news.software.readers about how
> to keep Thoth (and others) from wrapping long url/s, but in a long msg
> such as is under discussion it would have been tedious to do the
> business w/ wrap and unwrap by Thoth.

do not blame thoth for being compliant. <> delimiters are widely used
and supported and have been for years. they eliminate problems due to
wrapping and embedded whitespace in a url and so that it is also
clickable.

> In my experience of watching discussions of this type, the business of
> embracing w/ angle brackets doesn't solve the url wrapping problem very
> often, regardless of what some ancient RFC may have said.

it's not ancient.
>
> The workaround in Tb is to view the source, capture *only* the url
> inside the angles (which angles are of no benefit to anything here) and
> paste the clipboard reglued url into a browser addressline.
many words to say thunderbird is broken.

in non-broken apps, not just newsreaders, simply click on it.

On 10/02/2022 01:41, nospam wrote:
> In article <LFMMJ.48726$hye7.45259@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>
>>>>> it did.
>>>>
>>>> When?
>>>
>>> a few years ago.
>>>
>>> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-w
>>> ere-much-more-damaging-than-thought/>
>>> Donald Trump1s tariffs and the trade war his administration launched
>>> against China turned out to be far more damaging than many believed.
>>> That is the conclusion of research finding companies, consumers and
>>> the U.S. economy paid a heavy price for the Trump administration1s
>>> protectionist trade policies.
>>
>> Do you not understand that having one's enemy manufacture goods for
>> one's own consumption is a no-no?
>
> i understand that you're clueless about both manufacturing and foreign
> policy, along with everything else.
>
> the tariffs curtailed the usa's involvement with china, with negative
> results for just about everyone.

Perhaps that was a poor decision.

>>>>> you are both a bigot and clueless.
>>>>
>>>> My iMac was built in China.
>>>
>>> so what?
>>
>> There may well have been a 'spy' installed within it. There is no way
>> for an every-day user to check.
>
> tin foil, aisle 4.
>
> it's not possible for a 'spy' to be installed in an imac, iphone or
> anything else for that matter without *someone* detecting it.
>
> a *lot* of people would need to be in on it for it to even be remotely
> viable.

People are not in short supply in China.

>>> a lot of things are built in china, including just about all consumer
>>> electronics, clothing and quite a bit more.
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn>
>>> Notable products manufactured by Foxconn include the BlackBerry,
>>> iPad, iPhone, iPod, Kindle, all Nintendo gaming systems since the
>>> GameCube (except subsequent Nintendo DS models), Nokia devices,
>>> Sony devices (including the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 gaming
>>> consoles), Google Pixel devices, Xiaomi devices, every successor
>>> to Microsoft's first Xbox console,[11] and several CPU sockets,
>>> including the TR4 CPU socket on some motherboards. As of 2012,
>>> Foxconn factories manufactured an estimated 40% of all consumer
>>> electronics sold worldwide.
>>
>> Yes, I'd noticed during my visit to the USA in 2004 that the USA had
>> chosen a path of self-destruction. Chana has beaten the USA at its own game.
>
> nope. that happened in 2016.

At least you acknowledge that it is a fact.

>>> china has the ability to scale up to the needed volumes. the usa does
>>> not.
>>
>> Agree, Another failure.
>
> that is not in any way a failure.
>
> you are clueless (which is stating the obvious).

You are arrogant.

>>> another thing you fail to understand is many of the components that are
>>> used in apple products (as well as other companies) are made elsewhere.
>>> only the final assembly is done in china.
>>
>> I completely understand that.
>
> nothing you've said supports that you understand *anything* at all.

Unlike you, I keep a lot of things to myself.

>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503>
>>> Camera: Qualcomm, based in the U.S. with locations in Australia,
>>> Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, and more than a
>>> dozen locations through Europe and Latin America
>>> ...
>>> Glass screen: Corning, based in the U.S., with locations in
>>> Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Denmark, France, Germany, Hong
>>> Kong, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Mexico,
>>> Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Taiwan,
>>> The Netherlands, Turkey, the U.K., and the United Arab Emirates
>>> ...
>>> Wi-Fi chip: Murata, based in the U.S. with locations in Japan,
>>> Mexico, Brazil, Canada, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand,
>>> Malaysia, Philippines, India, Vietnam, The Netherlands, Spain,
>>> the U.K., Germany, Hungary, France, Italy, and Finland
>>>
>>> apple is slowly moving manufacturing to other locations, including
>>> india. shutting down china entirely is not a viable option.
>>
>> What happens if the USA goes to war with China?
>
> a war with china is not an imminent threat, and even less so now that
> the orange idiot is gone.

Are you going to take on Russia first?

>>> some products, such as the trashcan macpro, was made in texas, mostly
>>> because it was a low volume product. as it turned out, the volumes were
>>> lower than they had hoped for.
>>
>> A lot of people now buy the cheapest instead of the best.
>
> *whoosh*
>
> not only did you miss the point, but the mac pro was not even close to
> the cheapest, and was at the time, apple's best.

No - *YOU* missed *MY* point - as usual.

The market for top-end products has diminished.

>>> <https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/apples-new-mac-pro-to-be-made-in-
>>> texas/>
>>> As part of its commitment to US economic growth, Apple today
>>> confirmed that its newly redesigned Mac Pro will be manufactured in
>>> Austin, Texas. This latest generation Mac Pro, which was unveiled at
>>> Apple1s annual Worldwide Developer Conference in June, will begin
>>> production soon at the same Austin facility where Mac Pro has been
>>> made since 2013.
>>
>> Apple should MAKE its products in the USA and SELL them overseas.
>
> no, they should not.
>
> there's a reason that tim cook runs a $3 *trillion* dollar company and
> you're a failure in life.

I'm content with five grandchildren.

>>>> You NEVER back up your claims with evidence.
>>>
>>> that is very much false.
>>
>> That had been my experience. Perhaps you post using a pseudonym.
>
> perhaps you're a clueless fuck who is lying.
>
> my post included several cites, as do others.
>
> the only time my posts do not is when it's very obvious and no proof is
> needed (e.g., the sky is blue) or it's the proof has been repeated many
> times before.

As I said, you are arrogant.

>> For what it's worth, NONE of the links you provided here will 'work' in
>> my Thunderbird newsreader. An expert like you should correct that or at
>> least raise the question of WHY in 'alt.comp.software.thunderbird'.
>
> there's nothing to correct.
>
> my links are rfc compliant and thunderbird is broken.
>
> the issue is well known and its authors aren't interested in fixing it
> or any of its other numerous bugs.

If you know HOW to fix things, perhaps you should HELP instead of criticise?

Start here if you'd like to assist:-
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/91.6.0/releasenotes/

On 10/02/2022 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:40:54 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 09/02/2022 23:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:13:02 -0000,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/02/2022 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 22:45:02 -0000,  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/02/2022 21:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He likes evidence.  Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> raised my hand for an easy target.  Where is the lighting?  Is he
>>>>>>> non-existent or incapable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Ask him to HEAL you ...... and he will*. ❤️
>>>>>
>>>>> My neighbour asked him to heal his wife, the good lord let her
>>>>> die.  He
>>>>> is not worthy of worship <snip blasphemous content>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps it was her time. *Life is a dying business*!!
>>>
>>> That makes god evil.  He's now extremely depressed and needs me and
>>> several friends and neighbours to look after him.  God could have taken
>>> them both together.  I think he's lost faith too, he was a baptist
>>> minister, but I saw his recycle bin absolutely crammed full of books,
>>> and the only books he had were religious ones.
>>
>> There are no pockets in shrouds.
>
> He's not yet dead and could have many years to go - his brother was 9
> years older than him when he died recently.  Why has he thrown out all
> his books?

Ask him.

>> Thank you for doing your bit to look after him.
>
> He's got a cook, an electronics expert, a tradesman, his son, and some
> good friends from the church looking after him.  Cleaners and a gardener
> are upkeeping the place.  I think he's just lost and lonely.  He needs
> some hobbies but I can't think of what to suggest as he's had shaky
> hands since he was 30, so jigsaws, monopoly etc are out of the question.

It appears that he is most fortunate.

Surely you can cobble together some Internet access for him?

Here's a place to start looking:- https://getadaaccessible.com

>>>>>> Here's your starter for ten:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.xavier.edu/jesuitresource/online-resources/prayer-index/prayers-for-healing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (From a random Google search)
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely just asking "please heal me" should suffice?  Or is he that
>>>>> big-headed?
>>>>
>>>> Not enough. You have to put in to get something out (words to that
>>>> effect)
>>>
>>> So big-headed as I suspected.  If someone asks you to do them a favour,
>>> do they have to give you a great big long explanation?
>>
>> No.
>
> Then why does god?  A simple "please help my wife" should work.

That's a start. You have to ask!

>>>> Just say the prayers - you may feel your energy return as you speak.
>>>>
>>>> Try it. Do it for me.
>>>
>>> Absolutely not.
>>> https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo
>>
>> What a great clip that is. I love it.
>
> I'm surprised.

The devil gets everywhere he can. :-(

In article <UE5NJ.572034$hye7.552300@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> >>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it did.
> >>>>
> >>>> When?
> >>>
> >>> a few years ago.
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-w
> >>> ere-much-more-damaging-than-thought/>
> >>> Donald Trump1s tariffs and the trade war his administration launched
> >>> against China turned out to be far more damaging than many believed.
> >>> That is the conclusion of research finding companies, consumers and
> >>> the U.S. economy paid a heavy price for the Trump administration1s
> >>> protectionist trade policies.
> >>
> >> Do you not understand that having one's enemy manufacture goods for
> >> one's own consumption is a no-no?
> >
> > i understand that you're clueless about both manufacturing and foreign
> > policy, along with everything else.
> >
> > the tariffs curtailed the usa's involvement with china, with negative
> > results for just about everyone.
>
> Perhaps that was a poor decision.

you wanted the usa to curtail its reliance on china and that's what you
got.

> >> There may well have been a 'spy' installed within it. There is no way
> >> for an every-day user to check.
> >
> > tin foil, aisle 4.
> >
> > it's not possible for a 'spy' to be installed in an imac, iphone or
> > anything else for that matter without *someone* detecting it.
> >
> > a *lot* of people would need to be in on it for it to even be remotely
> > viable.
>
> People are not in short supply in China.

whoosh again.

you haven't a fucking clue and fall for absurd conspiracy theories.

> >>> china has the ability to scale up to the needed volumes. the usa does
> >>> not.
> >>
> >> Agree, Another failure.
> >
> > that is not in any way a failure.
> >
> > you are clueless (which is stating the obvious).
>
> You are arrogant.

nope. just blunt and direct, but at least you acknowledge you're
clueless.

> >>> another thing you fail to understand is many of the components that are
> >>> used in apple products (as well as other companies) are made elsewhere.
> >>> only the final assembly is done in china.
> >>
> >> I completely understand that.
> >
> > nothing you've said supports that you understand *anything* at all.
>
> Unlike you, I keep a lot of things to myself.

maybe so, but what you don't keep to yourself is your stupidity.

> >>> apple is slowly moving manufacturing to other locations, including
> >>> india. shutting down china entirely is not a viable option.
> >>
> >> What happens if the USA goes to war with China?
> >
> > a war with china is not an imminent threat, and even less so now that
> > the orange idiot is gone.
>
> Are you going to take on Russia first?

the issue is china. russia does not manufacture macs or iphones.

> >>> some products, such as the trashcan macpro, was made in texas, mostly
> >>> because it was a low volume product. as it turned out, the volumes were
> >>> lower than they had hoped for.
> >>
> >> A lot of people now buy the cheapest instead of the best.
> >
> > *whoosh*
> >
> > not only did you miss the point, but the mac pro was not even close to
> > the cheapest, and was at the time, apple's best.
>
> No - *YOU* missed *MY* point - as usual.

nope.

> The market for top-end products has diminished.

apple is proof that is false.

On 10/02/2022 11:26, nospam wrote:
> In article <UE5NJ.572034$hye7.552300@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When?
>>>>>
>>>>> a few years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-w
>>>>> ere-much-more-damaging-than-thought/>
>>>>> Donald Trump1s tariffs and the trade war his administration launched
>>>>> against China turned out to be far more damaging than many believed.
>>>>> That is the conclusion of research finding companies, consumers and
>>>>> the U.S. economy paid a heavy price for the Trump administration1s
>>>>> protectionist trade policies.
>>>>
>>>> Do you not understand that having one's enemy manufacture goods for
>>>> one's own consumption is a no-no?
>>>
>>> i understand that you're clueless about both manufacturing and foreign
>>> policy, along with everything else.
>>>
>>> the tariffs curtailed the usa's involvement with china, with negative
>>> results for just about everyone.
>>
>> Perhaps that was a poor decision.
>
> you wanted the usa to curtail its reliance on china and that's what you
> got.
>
>>>> There may well have been a 'spy' installed within it. There is no way
>>>> for an every-day user to check.
>>>
>>> tin foil, aisle 4.
>>>
>>> it's not possible for a 'spy' to be installed in an imac, iphone or
>>> anything else for that matter without *someone* detecting it.
>>>
>>> a *lot* of people would need to be in on it for it to even be remotely
>>> viable.
>>
>> People are not in short supply in China.
>
> whoosh again.
>
> you haven't a fucking clue and fall for absurd conspiracy theories.
>
>>>>> china has the ability to scale up to the needed volumes. the usa does
>>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>> Agree, Another failure.
>>>
>>> that is not in any way a failure.
>>>
>>> you are clueless (which is stating the obvious).
>>
>> You are arrogant.
>
> nope. just blunt and direct, but at least you acknowledge you're
> clueless.
>
>
>>>>> another thing you fail to understand is many of the components that are
>>>>> used in apple products (as well as other companies) are made elsewhere.
>>>>> only the final assembly is done in china.
>>>>
>>>> I completely understand that.
>>>
>>> nothing you've said supports that you understand *anything* at all.
>>
>> Unlike you, I keep a lot of things to myself.
>
> maybe so, but what you don't keep to yourself is your stupidity.
>
>
>>>>> apple is slowly moving manufacturing to other locations, including
>>>>> india. shutting down china entirely is not a viable option.
>>>>
>>>> What happens if the USA goes to war with China?
>>>
>>> a war with china is not an imminent threat, and even less so now that
>>> the orange idiot is gone.
>>
>> Are you going to take on Russia first?
>
> the issue is china. russia does not manufacture macs or iphones.
>
>>>>> some products, such as the trashcan macpro, was made in texas, mostly
>>>>> because it was a low volume product. as it turned out, the volumes were
>>>>> lower than they had hoped for.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of people now buy the cheapest instead of the best.
>>>
>>> *whoosh*
>>>
>>> not only did you miss the point, but the mac pro was not even close to
>>> the cheapest, and was at the time, apple's best.
>>
>> No - *YOU* missed *MY* point - as usual.
>
> nope.
>
>> The market for top-end products has diminished.
>
> apple is proof that is false.

You need to get more sleep.

Your judgement is clouded.

In article <757NJ.40479$fIV5.34544@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> >>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it did.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a few years ago.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-w
> >>>>> ere-much-more-damaging-than-thought/>
> >>>>> Donald Trump1s tariffs and the trade war his administration
> >>>>> launched
> >>>>> against China turned out to be far more damaging than many
> >>>>> believed.
> >>>>> That is the conclusion of research finding companies, consumers and
> >>>>> the U.S. economy paid a heavy price for the Trump administration1s
> >>>>> protectionist trade policies.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you not understand that having one's enemy manufacture goods for
> >>>> one's own consumption is a no-no?
> >>>
> >>> i understand that you're clueless about both manufacturing and foreign
> >>> policy, along with everything else.
> >>>
> >>> the tariffs curtailed the usa's involvement with china, with negative
> >>> results for just about everyone.
> >>
> >> Perhaps that was a poor decision.
> >
> > you wanted the usa to curtail its reliance on china and that's what you
> > got.
> >
> >>>> There may well have been a 'spy' installed within it. There is no way
> >>>> for an every-day user to check.
> >>>
> >>> tin foil, aisle 4.
> >>>
> >>> it's not possible for a 'spy' to be installed in an imac, iphone or
> >>> anything else for that matter without *someone* detecting it.
> >>>
> >>> a *lot* of people would need to be in on it for it to even be remotely
> >>> viable.
> >>
> >> People are not in short supply in China.
> >
> > whoosh again.
> >
> > you haven't a fucking clue and fall for absurd conspiracy theories.
> >
> >>>>> china has the ability to scale up to the needed volumes. the usa does
> >>>>> not.
> >>>>
> >>>> Agree, Another failure.
> >>>
> >>> that is not in any way a failure.
> >>>
> >>> you are clueless (which is stating the obvious).
> >>
> >> You are arrogant.
> >
> > nope. just blunt and direct, but at least you acknowledge you're
> > clueless.
> >
> >
> >>>>> another thing you fail to understand is many of the components that are
> >>>>> used in apple products (as well as other companies) are made elsewhere.
> >>>>> only the final assembly is done in china.
> >>>>
> >>>> I completely understand that.
> >>>
> >>> nothing you've said supports that you understand *anything* at all.
> >>
> >> Unlike you, I keep a lot of things to myself.
> >
> > maybe so, but what you don't keep to yourself is your stupidity.
> >
> >
> >>>>> apple is slowly moving manufacturing to other locations, including
> >>>>> india. shutting down china entirely is not a viable option.
> >>>>
> >>>> What happens if the USA goes to war with China?
> >>>
> >>> a war with china is not an imminent threat, and even less so now that
> >>> the orange idiot is gone.
> >>
> >> Are you going to take on Russia first?
> >
> > the issue is china. russia does not manufacture macs or iphones.
> >
> >>>>> some products, such as the trashcan macpro, was made in texas, mostly
> >>>>> because it was a low volume product. as it turned out, the volumes were
> >>>>> lower than they had hoped for.
> >>>>
> >>>> A lot of people now buy the cheapest instead of the best.
> >>>
> >>> *whoosh*
> >>>
> >>> not only did you miss the point, but the mac pro was not even close to
> >>> the cheapest, and was at the time, apple's best.
> >>
> >> No - *YOU* missed *MY* point - as usual.
> >
> > nope.
> >
> >> The market for top-end products has diminished.
> >
> > apple is proof that is false.
>
> You need to get more sleep.
>
> Your judgement is clouded.

get more sleep? that's your response?

you've just conceded and admitted you have no clue.

On 2022 Feb 10, David Brooks wrote
(in article <757NJ.40479$fIV5.34544@fx12.ams1>):

> On 10/02/2022 11:26, nospam wrote:
> > In article<UE5NJ.572034$hye7.552300@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> > <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> > > > > > > > > curtail Apple's involvement in China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it did.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a few years ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-w
> > > > > > ere-much-more-damaging-than-thought/>
> > > > > > Donald Trump1s tariffs and the trade war his administration launched
> > > > > > against China turned out to be far more damaging than many believed.
> > > > > > That is the conclusion of research finding companies, consumers and
> > > > > > the U.S. economy paid a heavy price for the Trump administration1s
> > > > > > protectionist trade policies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you not understand that having one's enemy manufacture goods for
> > > > > one's own consumption is a no-no?
> > > >
> > > > i understand that you're clueless about both manufacturing and foreign
> > > > policy, along with everything else.
> > > >
> > > > the tariffs curtailed the usa's involvement with china, with negative
> > > > results for just about everyone.
> > >
> > > Perhaps that was a poor decision.
> >
> > you wanted the usa to curtail its reliance on china and that's what you
> > got.
> >
> > > > > There may well have been a 'spy' installed within it. There is no way
> > > > > for an every-day user to check.
> > > >
> > > > tin foil, aisle 4.
> > > >
> > > > it's not possible for a 'spy' to be installed in an imac, iphone or
> > > > anything else for that matter without *someone* detecting it.
> > > >
> > > > a *lot* of people would need to be in on it for it to even be remotely
> > > > viable.
> > >
> > > People are not in short supply in China.
> >
> > whoosh again.
> >
> > you haven't a fucking clue and fall for absurd conspiracy theories.

yep.
> >
> >
> > > > > > china has the ability to scale up to the needed volumes. the usa does
> > > > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agree, Another failure.
> > > >
> > > > that is not in any way a failure.
> > > >
> > > > you are clueless (which is stating the obvious).
> > >
> > > You are arrogant.
> >
> > nope. just blunt and direct, but at least you acknowledge you're
> > clueless.

he’s always been clueless
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > another thing you fail to understand is many of the components that are
> > > > > > used in apple products (as well as other companies) are made elsewhere.
> > > > > > only the final assembly is done in china.
> > > > >
> > > > > I completely understand that.
> > > >
> > > > nothing you've said supports that you understand *anything* at all.
> > >
> > > Unlike you, I keep a lot of things to myself.
> >
> > maybe so, but what you don't keep to yourself is your stupidity.

oh, yeah!

> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > apple is slowly moving manufacturing to other locations, including
> > > > > > india. shutting down china entirely is not a viable option.
> > > > >
> > > > > What happens if the USA goes to war with China?
> > > >
> > > > a war with china is not an imminent threat, and even less so now that
> > > > the orange idiot is gone.
> > >
> > > Are you going to take on Russia first?
> >
> > the issue is china. russia does not manufacture macs or iphones.

he likes to rty to redirect the thread when things aren’t going his way.
> >
> >
> > > > > > some products, such as the trashcan macpro, was made in texas, mostly
> > > > > > because it was a low volume product. as it turned out, the volumes were
> > > > > > lower than they had hoped for.
> > > > >
> > > > > A lot of people now buy the cheapest instead of the best.
> > > >
> > > > *whoosh*
> > > >
> > > > not only did you miss the point, but the mac pro was not even close to
> > > > the cheapest, and was at the time, apple's best.
> > >
> > > No - *YOU* missed *MY* point - as usual.
> >
> > nope.
> >
> > > The market for top-end products has diminished.
> >
> > apple is proof that is false.
>
> You need to get more sleep.
>
> Your judgement is clouded.

oh, my. my irony-o-meter just exploded. it lasted so long in t.o, surviving
Nando and the Double Doc and Pete der Gross and so many other creationist
cretins, but this was too much for it.

On 2022 Feb 08, Wolffan wrote
(in article<0001HW.27B37EA10397B029700000E6438F@news.supernews.com>):

> On 2022 Feb 08, David Brooks wrote
> (in article <vcDMJ.34863$fIV5.13390@fx12.ams1>):
>
> > On 06/02/2022 18:35, Wolffan wrote:
> > > On 2022 Feb 06, David Brooks wrote
> > > (in article <XMSLJ.10927$EjU2.10622@fx07.ams1>):
> > >
> > > > On 06/02/2022 15:27, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > > On 2022-02-06, FromTheRafters<erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You might wonder how such a circumstance could come about. I suggest
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > naively downloading and installing appropriate software would be a
> > > > > > > > > possible route. Most computer users have no idea what actually
> > > > > > > > > happens
> > > > > > > > > when they install software onto their machines.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/pub-inf_5317.pdf
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > EXCELLENT - I will study later. Thank you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have YOU any suggestion of HOW I can check my iMac? Are you familiar
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > Knock Knock?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No. You have a habit of asking questions where you have little chance
> > > > > > of understanding the answers. You asked something general and I
> > > > > > answered something specific, that is a 'surreptitiously installed' VM
> > > > > > (like a full featured rootkit type of malware) could be detectable, in
> > > > > > some cases, by software. My linked answer was about how malware can
> > > > > > detect malware analyst's VMs from within said VMs.
> > > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Just suppose, Steve, that you visited a website and downloaded some
> > > > software onto your Apple computer and then installed it.
> > > >
> > > > Assume, in doing so, you inadvertently installed a "rootkit type of
> > > > malware" onto your computer.
> > >
> > > you’re an idiot. the number of rootkits available for Macs is very low.
> > > Most of them have problems with XProtect or SIP or both. Apple has
> > > specifically addressed in November 2021 one strain which could bypass SIP.
> > > Unless and until new SIP bypasses are developed, any rootkit can’t be
> > > installed if you have SIP turned on.
> > > > If you were still able to use your computer
> > > > to achieve your chosen tasks, how would YOU ever detect that you were
> > > > hosting a spy within, as it were?
> > >
> > > Sophos and MalwareBytes both detected rootkits. Even those which bypass SIP
> > > or which are installed because some idiot has turned SIP off.
> > >
> > > There are also at least two command-line tools available from Git which not
> > > merelt detect but remove rootkits. As you’re massively incompetent, you
> > > dpn’t know how to use those tools. Hint: you can get the source code and
> > > compile them yourself. Well, I could. You’re an idiot. If you have the
> > > source, you can inspect it and see what each line does and will _know_
> > > what’s in there.
> >
> > Interesting comments.
> >
> > I challenge you.
> >
> > Install ClamXav on a Mac computer and run a full scan.
>
> no rootkit
> >
> >
> > Then check - as you are so competent - that there's no Rootkit on the
> > machine.
>
> no rootkit
> >
> >
> > Then uninstall ClamXav.
> >
> > Then inspect said machine to review what it has left behind - lurking!
>
> no rootkit
> >
> >
> > Please report your findings for everyone to review.
>
> you’re an idiot.

And the vile one has run away. Again.

Hey, ol’ yellowstain: you _know_ that i’ve installed Clam in the past...
unless you ‘forgot’. Again. Cut back on the alcohol consumption, you’ve
destroyed all but one neuron in your brain, and the one neuron left isn’t
doing so well. You _know_ that I’ve got Sophos; you _know_ that I’ve got
Malware Bytes; again, you just ‘forgot’. Again. As usual. Your
‘challenge’ was, and is, utter bullshit; I’ve installed and uninstalled
Clam multiple times, and have NEVER found any malware in its wake,
particularly not any rootkits... and I’ve looked.

So which rootkit do you think (using the word loosely, that one poor
alcohol-soaked neuron has severe problems) Clam drops? Let’s have a name or
something to ID it. And why haven’t you brought this rootkit to the
attention of Apple, or to CERT (you know, the guys who issue CVEs...
https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/) so that they coulddo something? Hellfire, thou
useless git, why haven’t you just packaged up all the evidence you have and
sent it to assorted gov types in the UK, US, etc.? Could it be because you
have nothing beyond a ‘hinkey’, and actual real computer security
investigators (as distinct from stalkers and trolls such as yourself)
aren’t impressed by ‘hinkeys’?

Damn but you’re an idiot.

On 2022-02-10 00:40, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
> Op 10-02-2022 om 02:41 schreef nospam:
>>> For what it's worth, NONE of the links you provided here will 'work' in
>>> my Thunderbird newsreader. An expert like you should correct that or at
>>> least raise the question of WHY in 'alt.comp.software.thunderbird'.
>> there's nothing to correct.
>>
>> my links are rfc compliant and thunderbird is broken.
>
> The links work better when put between quotes instead of < >:
> "https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/apples-new-mac-pro-to-be-made-in-texas/"
>

Here, the only problem that appears more than once in a blue moon is
links split over two lines. But copy+paste fixes that. Otherwise, the
few links I click work every time. (Win10-Home-64, TB 78.13.0)

Caveat: I very rarely click on links, even from family and known
vendors. I prefer to type the vendor's name or the subject of the link
in the browser's search box, and go from there.

Best,

--
Wolf K <https://kirkwood40.blogspot.com>
If 2021 was a math word-problem: If you're going down a river at 2 MPH
and your canoe loses a wheel, how much pancake mix would you need to
re-shingle your roof? (Anonymous)

On 10/02/2022 15:18, Wolf K wrote:
> On 2022-02-10 00:40, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>> Op 10-02-2022 om 02:41 schreef nospam:
>>>> For what it's worth, NONE of the links you provided here will 'work' in
>>>> my Thunderbird newsreader. An expert like you should correct that or at
>>>> least raise the question of WHY in 'alt.comp.software.thunderbird'.
>>> there's nothing to correct.
>>>
>>> my links are rfc compliant and thunderbird is broken.
>>
>> The links work better when put between quotes instead of < >:
>> "https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/apples-new-mac-pro-to-be-made-in-texas/"
>>
>
>
> Here, the only problem that appears more than once in a blue moon is
> links split over two lines. But copy+paste fixes that. Otherwise, the
> few links I click work every time. (Win10-Home-64, TB 78.13.0)

That is probably the situation for most Usenetters!

> Caveat: I very rarely click on links, even from family and known
> vendors. I prefer to type the vendor's name or the subject of the link
> in the browser's search box, and go from there.

Why don't you click on links? They are VERY convenient.

--
David

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:43:30 -0000, wrote:

> On 10/02/2022 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:40:54 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/02/2022 23:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:13:02 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/02/2022 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 22:45:02 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/02/2022 21:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>>>>>> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He likes evidence. Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> raised my hand for an easy target. Where is the lighting? Is he
>>>>>>>> non-existent or incapable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ask him to HEAL you ...... and he will*. ❤️
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My neighbour asked him to heal his wife, the good lord let her
>>>>>> die. He
>>>>>> is not worthy of worship <snip blasphemous content>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it was her time. *Life is a dying business*!!
>>>>
>>>> That makes god evil. He's now extremely depressed and needs me and
>>>> several friends and neighbours to look after him. God could have taken
>>>> them both together. I think he's lost faith too, he was a baptist
>>>> minister, but I saw his recycle bin absolutely crammed full of books,
>>>> and the only books he had were religious ones.
>>>
>>> There are no pockets in shrouds.
>>
>> He's not yet dead and could have many years to go - his brother was 9
>> years older than him when he died recently. Why has he thrown out all
>> his books?
>
> Ask him.

I do not intend to bring up anything to do with his wife.

>>> Thank you for doing your bit to look after him.
>>
>> He's got a cook, an electronics expert, a tradesman, his son, and some
>> good friends from the church looking after him. Cleaners and a gardener
>> are upkeeping the place. I think he's just lost and lonely. He needs
>> some hobbies but I can't think of what to suggest as he's had shaky
>> hands since he was 30, so jigsaws, monopoly etc are out of the question.
>
> It appears that he is most fortunate.
>
> Surely you can cobble together some Internet access for him?
>
> Here's a place to start looking:- https://getadaaccessible.com

He's not interested in technology.

>>>>>>> Here's your starter for ten:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.xavier.edu/jesuitresource/online-resources/prayer-index/prayers-for-healing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (From a random Google search)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely just asking "please heal me" should suffice? Or is he that
>>>>>> big-headed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not enough. You have to put in to get something out (words to that
>>>>> effect)
>>>>
>>>> So big-headed as I suspected. If someone asks you to do them a favour,
>>>> do they have to give you a great big long explanation?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Then why does god? A simple "please help my wife" should work.
>
> That's a start. You have to ask!

I'm sure he asked pretty well. And since he's a retired minister he must know how. Yet he was ignored. God is a cunt.

>>>>> Just say the prayers - you may feel your energy return as you speak.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try it. Do it for me.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely not.
>>>> https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo
>>>
>>> What a great clip that is. I love it.
>>
>> I'm surprised.
>
> The devil gets everywhere he can. :-(

In homosexuals?

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>
>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>
>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>
>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>> altogether.
>>>
>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>
>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>
> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.

Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.

On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000,  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked?  https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull.  Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>> They have
>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>> altogether.
>>>>
>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>> workers. The
>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>> maker which
>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>> charge more
>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>
>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>
>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>> how
>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>> done to
>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>
> Glad to hear it.  Things cost a lot more to make with safety.

It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
nothing.

Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
Royce.

In article <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
> Royce.

yesterday you said the opposite. you're contradicting yourself again.

On 11/02/2022 10:14, nospam wrote:
> In article <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>> Royce.
>
> yesterday you said the opposite. you're contradicting yourself again.

No. Yesterday YOU misunderstood what I had said.

Go back and check.

I have TWO Apple iMacs on my desk (here at home!) You are aware, of
course, that a fellow Brit. designed them! :-D

In article <ARqNJ.587076$hye7.149695@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
> >> Royce.
> >
> > yesterday you said the opposite. you're contradicting yourself again.
>
> No. Yesterday YOU misunderstood what I had said.

nope.

> Go back and check.

In article <UE5NJ.572034$hye7.552300@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> The market for top-end products has diminished.

your words.

apple is the first company to reach $3 trillion market cap, which means
the market for top-end products has *not* diminished. it's quite
strong.

> I have TWO Apple iMacs on my desk (here at home!) You are aware, of
> course, that a fellow Brit. designed them! :-D

only part of it, and he's no longer at apple because he did not do a
good job.

On 11/02/2022 11:12, nospam wrote:
> In article <ARqNJ.587076$hye7.149695@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>> Royce.
>>>
>>> yesterday you said the opposite. you're contradicting yourself again.
>>
>> No. Yesterday YOU misunderstood what I had said.
>
> nope.

Yes.

>> Go back and check.
>
> In article <UE5NJ.572034$hye7.552300@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> The market for top-end products has diminished.
>
> your words.

Correct. I'll have a go at rephrasing what I meant.

> apple is the first company to reach $3 trillion market cap, which means
> the market for top-end products has *not* diminished. it's quite
> strong.

We both agree that Apple products are at the top end of their chosen
markets. To my mind, the best that one can buy.

The Mac Pro is at the top of the tree. I 'repaired' one last year for an
English professor (Mike) who lives nearby - sufficiently well for him to
recover all of his data. I had never seen one before. I was most
impressed with the quality of the whole machine; it still looked and
felt like new but it was more than ten years old!

Mike had decided to purchase an iMac as a temporary measure when he
first encountered problems with his Mac Pro, even though he can afford
to buy the best of the best. He was so impressed with the performance of
his iMac that he decided that replacing his Mac Pro with a new one was
simply unnecessary for the things he now does.

Now that the iMac and iMac Pro are SO good, I suspect that sales of the
Mac Pro have declined (but have not reviewed sales figures).

>> I have TWO Apple iMacs on my desk (here at home!) You are aware, of
>> course, that a fellow Brit. designed them! :-D
>
> only part of it, and he's no longer at apple because he did not do a
> good job.

Do you have any EVIDENCE that Jony Ive didn't do a good job?

I wouldn't dream of buying the 'new' iMac though. Read ....

//We need an Apple Grey series, designed for aging users who don’t have
20/20 vision, the manual dexterity of a brain surgeon and the patience
of Job.

Luckily this exists on some dusty Apple shelf. It’s the 2011 version,
unsullied by a decade of tomfoolery, luddite upgrades and studied
disregard for computer ergonomics. Re-issue it, and I’m willing to bet
it outsells the current dog’s breakfast.//

https://www.timescolonist.com/islander/lawrie-mcfarlane-nothing-about-the-new-imac-is-simple-or-easy-4960187

On Feb 11, 2022 at 3:14:13 AM MST, "nospam" wrote
<110220220514138837%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

> In article <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>> Royce.
>
> yesterday you said the opposite. you're contradicting yourself again.

Can you quote the contradiction?

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