On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:

> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>
>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>
>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>
>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>> is english your second language?
>>>
>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)
>>
>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>
> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png

whoosh carrot 2

How else would it be seen?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2022 Feb 13, David Brooks wrote
(in article <dI2OJ.599197$hye7.7983@fx11.ams1>):

> On 12/02/2022 23:28, nospam wrote:
> > In article<%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks
> > <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me run that through a translator for you.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for
> > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > Mac
> > > > > > > > > > > is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App
> > > > > > > > > > > Store
> > > > > > > > > > > before it1s accepted and signs it to
> > > > > > > > > > > ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
> > > > > > > > > > payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international
> > > > > > > > > > taxes,
> > > > > > > > > > currency conversions and quite a bit more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that
> > > > > > > > > > separately,
> > > > > > > > > > reducing net revenue.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
> > > > > > > > > > necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
> > > > > > > > > > whatever it is they want to do.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
> > > > > > > > > > versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
> > > > > > > > > > another added cost.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't believe that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That
> > > > > > > figures.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > how is it you don't understand very simple words?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is english your second language?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
> > > > >
> > > > > There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.
> > > >
> > > > you're the one who is being combative.
> > >
> > > You really ARE a foreigner aren't you?
> > >
> > > I speak and write the QUEEN'S English.
> >
> > in devon?
> >
> > not that it matters, since you're deliberately avoiding the topic,
> > which means you know you're wrong. again.
>
> Show me an App which you claim you have written.

Achtung! Stalking attempt in progress! Arogant entitled behaviour alert! Our
David is again demanding info which he has no right to even think that he
should have access to!

And, oh... if he names an app, how would you be able to tell if he’s
telling the truth or not? It’s not as if you know his real. name, or can
get Apple to confirm or deny his statement...

God-damn, but you’re an idiot.

And you still haven’t replied to my answer to your incredibly stupid
challenge. Why should anyone tell you a damn thing when all that happens if
they do is that you run away? Again?

You have threatened to ‘report’ me to various entities on multiple
occasions. How’s that working for you, oh vilest of the vile?

On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>
>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>
>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>
>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>
>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)
>>>
>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>
>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>
> whoosh carrot 2
>
> How else would it be seen?

Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5

can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?

On 13/02/2022 11:20, Wolffan wrote:
> On 2022 Feb 13, David Brooks wrote
> (in article <dI2OJ.599197$hye7.7983@fx11.ams1>):
>
>> On 12/02/2022 23:28, nospam wrote:
>>> In article<%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App
>>>>>>>>>>>> Store
>>>>>>>>>>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
>>>>>>>>>>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international
>>>>>>>>>>> taxes,
>>>>>>>>>>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that
>>>>>>>>>>> separately,
>>>>>>>>>>> reducing net revenue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it is they want to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
>>>>>>>>>>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
>>>>>>>>>>> another added cost.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That
>>>>>>>> figures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.
>>>>>
>>>>> you're the one who is being combative.
>>>>
>>>> You really ARE a foreigner aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> I speak and write the QUEEN'S English.
>>>
>>> in devon?
>>>
>>> not that it matters, since you're deliberately avoiding the topic,
>>> which means you know you're wrong. again.
>>
>> Show me an App which you claim you have written.
>
> Achtung! Stalking attempt in progress! Arogant entitled behaviour alert! Our
> David is again demanding info which he has no right to even think that he
> should have access to!

Apps are written for people to use. 'nospam' claims he's written some -
but provided no evidence.

> And, oh... if he names an app, how would you be able to tell if he’s
> telling the truth or not? It’s not as if you know his real. name, or can
> get Apple to confirm or deny his statement...
>
> God-damn, but you’re an idiot.

I take people as I find them. I have no reason to disbelieve him.

> And you still haven’t replied to my answer to your incredibly stupid
> challenge. Why should anyone tell you a damn thing when all that happens if
> they do is that you run away? Again?

*YOU* never supply evidence either.
I *KNOW* you are a *LIAR*.
YOU know that too!

> You have threatened to ‘report’ me to various entities on multiple
> occasions. How’s that working for you, oh vilest of the vile?

For what misdemeanour should I report you?

David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>
>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out
>>>>> now)
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>
>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>
>> whoosh carrot 2
>>
>> How else would it be seen?
>
>
> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>
> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?

Does this make the 2 lower carrot_2 (carrot base 2)

If so, it follows the mathematical positioning of caret = superscript
and underscore means subscript. That's caret not carrot.

On 2022 Feb 13, David Brooks wrote
(in article <F87OJ.946867$YlU2.383736@fx08.ams1>):

> On 13/02/2022 11:20, Wolffan wrote:
> > On 2022 Feb 13, David Brooks wrote
> > (in article <dI2OJ.599197$hye7.7983@fx11.ams1>):
> >
> > > On 12/02/2022 23:28, nospam wrote:
> > > > In article<%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks
> > > > <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me run that through a translator for you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mac
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Store
> > > > > > > > > > > > > before it1s accepted and signs it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates,
> > > > > > > > > > > > reviews,
> > > > > > > > > > > > payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international
> > > > > > > > > > > > taxes,
> > > > > > > > > > > > currency conversions and quite a bit more.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that
> > > > > > > > > > > > separately,
> > > > > > > > > > > > reducing net revenue.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
> > > > > > > > > > > > whatever it is they want to do.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
> > > > > > > > > > > > versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > another added cost.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe that.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That
> > > > > > > > > figures.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > how is it you don't understand very simple words?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > is english your second language?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you're the one who is being combative.
> > > > >
> > > > > You really ARE a foreigner aren't you?
> > > > >
> > > > > I speak and write the QUEEN'S English.
> > > >
> > > > in devon?
> > > >
> > > > not that it matters, since you're deliberately avoiding the topic,
> > > > which means you know you're wrong. again.
> > >
> > > Show me an App which you claim you have written.
> >
> > Achtung! Stalking attempt in progress! Arogant entitled behaviour alert! Our
> > David is again demanding info which he has no right to even think that he
> > should have access to!
>
> Apps are written for people to use. 'nospam' claims he's written some -
> but provided no evidence.

1. he could have written apps in the past, which are no longer in use

2. he could have written apps for corporate use; such apps are usually
available only at the corp site, and are not for the general public

3. he could have written specialized apps for a tightly defined target
audience, even if not corporate

4. he could have been part of a team writting a major, copyrighted,
trademarked, app, and may not be allowed to say without permission from
management... which is unlikely to happen.

5. it’s none of your damn business anyway

6. you should stop trying to stalk.
>
>
> > And, oh... if he names an app, how would you be able to tell if he’s
> > telling the truth or not? It’s not as if you know his real. name, or can
> > get Apple to confirm or deny his statement...
> >
> > God-damn, but you’re an idiot.
>
> I take people as I find them. I have no reason to disbelieve him.

then why do you need to know what app(s) he’s written? You’re not just an
idiot stalker, you’re a fucking stupid, even for an idiot, stalker.
>
>
> > And you still haven’t replied to my answer to your incredibly stupid
> > challenge. Why should anyone tell you a damn thing when all that happens if
> > they do is that you run away? Again?
>
> *YOU* never supply evidence either.

i didn’t ask for evidence. I pointed out that you never replied. You still
haven’t.
>
> I *KNOW* you are a *LIAR*.
> YOU know that too!

The truth burns you, vile one.
>
>
> > You have threatened to ‘report’ me to various entities on multiple
> > occasions. How’s that working for you, oh vilest of the vile?
>
> For what misdemeanour should I report you?

you said that you had _already_ reported me, and several times to several
different places. The list includes Supernews and at least one unnamed TLA.
Did you ‘forget’ again? You need to stop abusing alcohol.

On 13/02/2022 14:15, Wolffan wrote:
> You need to stop abusing alcohol.

I stopped drinking alcohol on 21 March 2018

On 2022 Feb 13, David Brooks wrote
(in article <Z%bOJ.145547$TXc5.128576@fx14.ams1>):

> On 13/02/2022 14:15, Wolffan wrote:
> > You need to stop abusing alcohol.
>
> I stopped drinking alcohol on 21 March 2018

And ol’ yellowstain cuts and runs away again. he can’t address the facts,
so he just deletes them.

On 09/02/2022 16:40, Kelly Phillips needs to understand that either
ClamXav is a scam or JD of Etresoft is talking a load of bollocks.

Which is correct?

> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 23:41:15 +0000, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> I challenge you.
>>
>> Install ClamXav on a Mac computer and run a full scan.
>>
>> Then check - as you are so competent - that there's no Rootkit on the
>> machine.
>>
>> Then uninstall ClamXav.
>>
>> Then inspect said machine to review what it has left behind - lurking!
>>
>> Please report your findings for everyone to review.
>
> Multiple people have done that already and in every case you simply
> dismiss their findings. Multiple people have also explained to you why
> that's just a stupid paranoid fear that you have. It's not rooted in
> reality. You dismiss that, as well.

NOBODY HAS SHOWN THEIR WORKING!

=

Eteresoft (JD) is absolutely clear that *NO* anti-malware software needs
to be used on an Apple computer.

Here's a screenshot of what is said - item 4. specifically:-
https://ibb.co/80mJ4K2

For those who won't click on links:-

Bonus: Important tips

There is an epidemic of all types of scams today - from duct cleaning to
water heaters. This tip is about one specific scam - the Safari pop-up.
While browsing the internet, a dialog pops up telling you that:

You have won a prize or inherited money
The FBI has detected illegal activity
Your computer is infected
You need to download some software
Your online account has been blocked
Someone in a poor country needs your help
You need to download a video player
None of this is true. You are asked to call a number. The pop-up cannot
be closed. If you restart Safari, the pop-up returns.

In recent versions of macOS, you can click OK or press the Return key
(useful if the pop-up is partially off the screen) to close the pop-up.
The next time the dialog appears, you will be able to close it
permanently. On older systems, you can Force Quit Safari and then hold
down the Shift key and restart Safari.

Important: Do NOT call the number! The scammers will take control of
your Mac, show your cryptic, but harmless log files, make some low-level
changes using the Terminal, and charge your credit card $500 or more. If
this happens, you will have to:

Call the police;
Call your bank and cancel all of your credit and debit cards;
Purchase identity theft protection;
Restore your Mac to a state from before the hack; and
Change all of your passwords on your Mac, e-mail accounts, and any
internet accounts.
Note: The scams listed above can also come via e-mail. These are called
phishing e-mails. Always hover your mouse pointer over any link in an
e-mail to see if it is is legitimate. But if the subject of the e-mail
is anything listed above, the links are not legitimate.

You may notice poor grammar and spelling in a scam e-mail. Please don’t
laugh about this or make fun of the people who fall for these scams. The
poor writing is not an accident. The scammers are looking for vulnerable
people who might have poor education, poor eyesight, poor English, be
older, or young. Their money is just as good as anyone else’s. When
people do fall for scams they are embarrassed and don’t want to admit
it. Making fun of victims only reinforces these feelings and helps the
scammers.

Along with web pop-ups and phishing e-mails, scam software is very
popular. Most software review sites on the internet are fake. Most
software reviews are fake. Most "top-10 software" lists on the internet
are fake. Most adware removal instructions on the internet are just ads
for scamware. When in doubt, or even when you aren’t in doubt, ask for
help on your favourite tech support website.

The Mac App Store is not immune to scam software. Do your own research.
Find the company that makes the software. Do they have a real web site?
Be suspicious if it is an individual person’s name instead of a company
name.

Another modern Mac epidemic is adware. If you think you may have
installed some adware, run EtreCheck. EtreCheck can detect and remove
adware. Ad blockers are very useful, but have to be regularly updated
and double-checked to make sure they haven’t been taken over by advertisers.

Even though there is an epidemic of scams, scamware, and adware for Mac
users, true malware like trojans and viruses are still extremely rare.
You do not need any antivirus software on a Mac. Most Mac antivirus
software checks your Mac for Windows malware that is harmless to you. It
will also likely slow down your Mac and cause problems. Apple includes a
more efficient malware scanner in macOS than anything you can find
elsewhere.

Generally speaking, your Mac is not a significant risk for security. If
you are worried about online security and hackers, you need to focus
your efforts elsewhere. Here are some tips for internet security:

Always choose long, complex passwords.
Never reuse passwords.
Always assume that any information you provide a website will be made
public one day. Maybe soon.
Except where legally required, never provide any personal information.
Only after all of this is done do you need to worry about your Mac.
Then, there are only a few areas to review. When in doubt, the defaults
settings are usually the most secure options.

The most important security feature on Macs is Gatekeeper. Go to System
Preferences > Security & Privacy > General and make sure the setting
Allow apps downloaded from: is set to Mac App Store and identified
developers. Even with this setting, you will still have to confirm the
installation of any software downloaded from the internet. Clicking the
Cancel button is always a safe choice.

Next, go to System Preferences > Sharing and make sure all sharing
services are turned off. If you really need them, you can turn them on
at home, but they should always be off when in public at a library,
school, or coffeeshop.

Review your Safari security preferences. Launch Safari and choose
Preferences from the Safari menu and then choose the Security tab. There
is no such thing as a “safe” download.

Important: A Firewall will not protect you if sharing is turned on.
Firewalls are tools for network administrators. The firewall on your Mac
is a marketing gimmick. If you are concerned about security, keep all
sharing services off. Do not rely on a firewall. It doesn’t do what you
think.

Other pop-ups: From time to time, your Mac may display other kinds of
pop-ups asking you to install some software or provide your password.
Again, clicking the Cancel button is always a safe choice. If you do
need to install an Adobe Flash update, go to the Adobe site yourself and
download the update.

It is important to keep your Mac updated. Apple no longer provides
security updates to old versions of the operating system. If you have
installed any low-level system modifications, you should run EtreCheck
to find out what they are and make sure they will run on the updated
system before you perform the update. These programs will be listed
under Kernel extensions, Launch daemons, Launch agents, and User Launch
agents. Anything listed under Startup Items definitely will not run on
OS X 10.10 "Yosemite" or later and should be updated.

Important: Always download every major Mac software installer. Then quit
the installer, find it in the Applications and archive it for later.
Older versions of the operating system can be difficult to find and
install if you need them later.

Before updating your Mac, it is important to make sure your Mac can run
the latest version of the operating system. Current versions of macOS
run best on current computers that have 8 GB and an SSD. You may not be
happy with the performance on an older computer. You may need additional
RAM and an SSD upgrade. Your EtreCheck report will indicate if your
computer has upgradeable RAM. Not counting iMacs, any computer that has
upgradeable RAM can probably also be upgraded to an SSD.

Don’t forget about your 3rd party software and hardware. Before updating
your Mac, make sure your software and hardware will work with the new
operating system.

Always make a backup before upgrading. You will need to erase your hard
drive to go back to an older version of the operating system.

Backups are critical. All Mac users should be running Time Machine.
Other kinds of backups may be useful in certain situations, but Time
Machine should be your primary backup.

All Mac users should use the Mac App Store whenever possible. Apps from
the Mac App Store are regularly updated, reviewed by Apple for quality
and security, and easily removable. Before installing any software from
any other source, make sure you know how to remove it. It is a very good
idea to keep the original download files because they sometimes contain
uninstallers or uninstallation instructions.

Important: Any software that uses a dedicated installer that requires
your password may be difficult to uninstall.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:30:49 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:48:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hh1mptimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>> We are superior to you pathetic yanks!
>>>
>>> Because nothing was ever invented in America?
>>
>> According to Wikipedia, 79 inventions came from Scotland, and 200 from America.
>
> I doubt Wikipedia says that.

It would have been trivial for you to check. Let me do it for you....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Scottish_inventions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_inventions

Pages in category "Scottish inventions"
The following 79 pages are in this category

Pages in category "American inventions"
The following 200 pages are in this category

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:32:41 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:42:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hh1dlffmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 04:54:22 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:43 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:09:53 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>>>>>>> Royce.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>>>>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * Double clicking
>>>>>>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>>>>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>>>>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>>>>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>>>>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>>>>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>>>>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>>>>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>>>>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>>>>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>>>>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>>>>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>>>>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>>>>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>>>>>>> associated with the file)
>>>>>>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>>>>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>>>>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>>>>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>>>>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not just play them in the browser like everyone else?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don=E2=80=99t like ads.
>>>>
>>>> Your browser permits ads? Oh dear. I never see Youtube ads or any other ad.
>>>
>>> What browser do you use that doesn=E2=80=99t show you YouTube ads?
>>
>> Opera with some plugins. Opera has huge numbers of plugins available. But
>> they're available for most other browsers too. I think it's "Enhancer for
>> YouTube"
>
> Very cool. Thanks.
>
>> I have another one to download the videos.
>
> I have methods to do that as well.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:33:23 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:40:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hh09dggmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 04:54:21 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:42 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:15:51 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why I
>>>>>>>> buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
>>>>>>>> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or
>>>>>>>> at difficult angles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can%19t avoid benefiting from government regulations that are designed to
>>>>>>> protect you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. I have just told you how I avoid them. And I
>>>>>> don't benefit from something being more expensive so pansies can use them
>>>>>> safely.
>>>>>
>>>>> You benefit in ways you don=E2=80=99t see. Ok.
>>>>
>>>> How can I benefit from something I don't use? "That's why I buy Chinese
>>>> Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test"
>>>
>>> You benefit from things and the society. As long as you=E2=80=99re in the
>>> society
>>> you can=E2=80=99t help it.
>>
>> Yes I can, by not using the safe things.
>
> The things you buy, the roads you use, the tools you work with -- almost all
> have some level of safety standards built in. You cannot avoid it and live in
> a modern society.

I can by buying Chinese.

On 13/02/2022 22:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> Go on tell us, so we can have a laugh.

That's not nice. :-(

*YOU* didn't like being bullied at school either.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:31:26 -0000, wrote:

> On 13/02/2022 22:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Go on tell us, so we can have a laugh.
>
> That's not nice. :-(
>
> *YOU* didn't like being bullied at school either.

Never happened. But I did bully others. Never did anything worse than 13 stitches in the back of someone's skull though.

How come your posts fuck up Opera's display?

https://imgur.com/a/83VBNGI

Notice the correct one at the bottom, Snit's post.
The one at the top, from you, doesn't have your name, and the newsgroups line has been right justified. What are you putting in your name, are there some weird characters?

Actually, you're not entering a "from" in the headers, yet somehow Opera still puts your name in the list of posts!:

Path: not-for-mail
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
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NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:31:26 UTC
Organization: blocknews - www.blocknews.net
Bytes: 1041
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:31:26 -0000
X-Received-Bytes: 1093
X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 220213-4, 13/2/2022), Inbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

This is Snit's post:

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From: Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: How to identify a Virtual Machine image.
Organization: Southern Nevada Institute of Technology
References: <op.1gzldqlemvhs6z@ryzen.lan> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>
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Notice he has a line beginning "From:"

On 13/02/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:31:26 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 13/02/2022 22:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Go on tell us, so we can have a laugh.
>>
>> That's not nice. :-(
>>
>> *YOU* didn't like being bullied at school either.
>
> Never happened.  But I did bully others.  Never did anything worse than
> 13 stitches in the back of someone's skull though.

She probably fell over in the heat of your passion!

> How come your posts fuck up Opera's display?

I don't know.

> https://imgur.com/a/83VBNGI
>
> Notice the correct one at the bottom, Snit's post.
> The one at the top, from you, doesn't have your name, and the newsgroups
> line has been right justified.  What are you putting in your name, are
> there some weird characters?

Not as far as I'm aware

> Actually, you're not entering a "from" in the headers, yet somehow Opera
> still puts your name in the list of posts!:

I've no idea why.

> Path: not-for-mail
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0)
> Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.6.0
> Subject: Re: How to identify a Virtual Machine image.
> Content-Language: en-GB
> Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
> References: <op.1gzldqlemvhs6z@ryzen.lan> <op.1hgl170bmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>
>  <24HNJ.33573$Y1A7.27075@fx43.iad> <op.1hh1dlffmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>
>  <ZcZNJ.50608$H_t7.6774@fx40.iad> <op.1hjux3zbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>
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> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>
> This is Snit's post:
>
> Path: not-for-mail
> From: Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac
> Subject: Re: How to identify a Virtual Machine image.
> Organization: Southern Nevada Institute of Technology
> References: <op.1gzldqlemvhs6z@ryzen.lan> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>
>  <O9ZNJ.22856$m1S7.22033@fx36.iad> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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> Lines: 31
> Message-ID: <Fm3OJ.6831$Icha.5030@fx11.iad>
> X-Complaints-To: abuse@blocknews.net
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:32:37 UTC
> Bytes: 1682
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:32:37 -0000
> X-Received-Bytes: 1821
> X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 220213-4, 13/2/2022), Inbound message
> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>
> Notice he has a line beginning "From:"

=

Yes - I notice.

Maybe I'll investigate tomorrow. I'm off to my pit shortly.

On 13/02/2022 20:11, Kelly Phillips wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 19:12:13 +0000, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 23:41:15 +0000, David Brooks
>>> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I challenge you.
>>>>
>>>> Install ClamXav on a Mac computer and run a full scan.
>>>>
>>>> Then check - as you are so competent - that there's no Rootkit on the
>>>> machine.
>>>>
>>>> Then uninstall ClamXav.
>>>>
>>>> Then inspect said machine to review what it has left behind - lurking!
>>>>
>>>> Please report your findings for everyone to review.
>>>
>>> Multiple people have done that already and in every case you simply
>>> dismiss their findings. Multiple people have also explained to you why
>>> that's just a stupid paranoid fear that you have. It's not rooted in
>>> reality. You dismiss that, as well.
>>
>> NOBODY HAS SHOWN THEIR WORKING!
>
> WTF ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, AND WHY ARE WE USING ALL CAPS NOW?
>
> Have you been caught out again? Tsk, tsk.

I don't GET "caught out".

I tell the truth so things can't bite back at me.

=

Eteresoft (JD) is absolutely clear that *NO* anti-malware software needs
to be used on an Apple computer.

Here's a screenshot of what is said - item 4. specifically:-
https://ibb.co/80mJ4K2

=

For those who won't click on links:-

Bonus: Important tips

There is an epidemic of all types of scams today - from duct cleaning to
water heaters. This tip is about one specific scam - the Safari pop-up.
While browsing the internet, a dialog pops up telling you that:

You have won a prize or inherited money
The FBI has detected illegal activity
Your computer is infected
You need to download some software
Your online account has been blocked
Someone in a poor country needs your help
You need to download a video player
None of this is true. You are asked to call a number. The pop-up cannot
be closed. If you restart Safari, the pop-up returns.

In recent versions of macOS, you can click OK or press the Return key
(useful if the pop-up is partially off the screen) to close the pop-up.
The next time the dialog appears, you will be able to close it
permanently. On older systems, you can Force Quit Safari and then hold
down the Shift key and restart Safari.

Important: Do NOT call the number! The scammers will take control of
your Mac, show your cryptic, but harmless log files, make some low-level
changes using the Terminal, and charge your credit card $500 or more. If
this happens, you will have to:

Call the police;
Call your bank and cancel all of your credit and debit cards;
Purchase identity theft protection;
Restore your Mac to a state from before the hack; and
Change all of your passwords on your Mac, e-mail accounts, and any
internet accounts.
Note: The scams listed above can also come via e-mail. These are called
phishing e-mails. Always hover your mouse pointer over any link in an
e-mail to see if it is is legitimate. But if the subject of the e-mail
is anything listed above, the links are not legitimate.

You may notice poor grammar and spelling in a scam e-mail. Please don’t
laugh about this or make fun of the people who fall for these scams. The
poor writing is not an accident. The scammers are looking for vulnerable
people who might have poor education, poor eyesight, poor English, be
older, or young. Their money is just as good as anyone else’s. When
people do fall for scams they are embarrassed and don’t want to admit
it. Making fun of victims only reinforces these feelings and helps the
scammers.

Along with web pop-ups and phishing e-mails, scam software is very
popular. Most software review sites on the internet are fake. Most
software reviews are fake. Most "top-10 software" lists on the internet
are fake. Most adware removal instructions on the internet are just ads
for scamware. When in doubt, or even when you aren’t in doubt, ask for
help on your favourite tech support website.

The Mac App Store is not immune to scam software. Do your own research.
Find the company that makes the software. Do they have a real web site?
Be suspicious if it is an individual person’s name instead of a company
name.

Another modern Mac epidemic is adware. If you think you may have
installed some adware, run EtreCheck. EtreCheck can detect and remove
adware. Ad blockers are very useful, but have to be regularly updated
and double-checked to make sure they haven’t been taken over by advertisers.

Even though there is an epidemic of scams, scamware, and adware for Mac
users, true malware like trojans and viruses are still extremely rare.
You do not need any antivirus software on a Mac. Most Mac antivirus
software checks your Mac for Windows malware that is harmless to you. It
will also likely slow down your Mac and cause problems. Apple includes a
more efficient malware scanner in macOS than anything you can find
elsewhere.

Generally speaking, your Mac is not a significant risk for security. If
you are worried about online security and hackers, you need to focus
your efforts elsewhere. Here are some tips for internet security:

Always choose long, complex passwords.
Never reuse passwords.
Always assume that any information you provide a website will be made
public one day. Maybe soon.
Except where legally required, never provide any personal information.
Only after all of this is done do you need to worry about your Mac.
Then, there are only a few areas to review. When in doubt, the defaults
settings are usually the most secure options.

The most important security feature on Macs is Gatekeeper. Go to System
Preferences > Security & Privacy > General and make sure the setting
Allow apps downloaded from: is set to Mac App Store and identified
developers. Even with this setting, you will still have to confirm the
installation of any software downloaded from the internet. Clicking the
Cancel button is always a safe choice.

Next, go to System Preferences > Sharing and make sure all sharing
services are turned off. If you really need them, you can turn them on
at home, but they should always be off when in public at a library,
school, or coffeeshop.

Review your Safari security preferences. Launch Safari and choose
Preferences from the Safari menu and then choose the Security tab. There
is no such thing as a “safe” download.

Important: A Firewall will not protect you if sharing is turned on.
Firewalls are tools for network administrators. The firewall on your Mac
is a marketing gimmick. If you are concerned about security, keep all
sharing services off. Do not rely on a firewall. It doesn’t do what you
think.

Other pop-ups: From time to time, your Mac may display other kinds of
pop-ups asking you to install some software or provide your password.
Again, clicking the Cancel button is always a safe choice. If you do
need to install an Adobe Flash update, go to the Adobe site yourself and
download the update.

It is important to keep your Mac updated. Apple no longer provides
security updates to old versions of the operating system. If you have
installed any low-level system modifications, you should run EtreCheck
to find out what they are and make sure they will run on the updated
system before you perform the update. These programs will be listed
under Kernel extensions, Launch daemons, Launch agents, and User Launch
agents. Anything listed under Startup Items definitely will not run on
OS X 10.10 "Yosemite" or later and should be updated.

Important: Always download every major Mac software installer. Then quit
the installer, find it in the Applications and archive it for later.
Older versions of the operating system can be difficult to find and
install if you need them later.

Before updating your Mac, it is important to make sure your Mac can run
the latest version of the operating system. Current versions of macOS
run best on current computers that have 8 GB and an SSD. You may not be
happy with the performance on an older computer. You may need additional
RAM and an SSD upgrade. Your EtreCheck report will indicate if your
computer has upgradeable RAM. Not counting iMacs, any computer that has
upgradeable RAM can probably also be upgraded to an SSD.

Don’t forget about your 3rd party software and hardware. Before updating
your Mac, make sure your software and hardware will work with the new
operating system.

Always make a backup before upgrading. You will need to erase your hard
drive to go back to an older version of the operating system.

Backups are critical. All Mac users should be running Time Machine.
Other kinds of backups may be useful in certain situations, but Time
Machine should be your primary backup.

All Mac users should use the Mac App Store whenever possible. Apps from
the Mac App Store are regularly updated, reviewed by Apple for quality
and security, and easily removable. Before installing any software from
any other source, make sure you know how to remove it. It is a very good
idea to keep the original download files because they sometimes contain
uninstallers or uninstallation instructions.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 23:24:26 -0000, wrote:

> On 13/02/2022 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:31:26 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/02/2022 22:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Go on tell us, so we can have a laugh.
>>>
>>> That's not nice. :-(
>>>
>>> *YOU* didn't like being bullied at school either.
>>
>> Never happened. But I did bully others. Never did anything worse than
>> 13 stitches in the back of someone's skull though.
>
> She probably fell over in the heat of your passion!

What has been seen cannot be unseen. Ugh. It was an ugly German boy. I can't remember what he said to me, but I was irritated enough to throw him across the room. Unfortunately he went further than I expected and collided with a concrete pillar. I disappeared when I saw blood. I was told later why he wasn't in the next class. To be fair he never grassed me off, and remained friends with me afterwards.

>> How come your posts fuck up Opera's display?
>
> I don't know.
>
>> https://imgur.com/a/83VBNGI
>>
>> Notice the correct one at the bottom, Snit's post.
>> The one at the top, from you, doesn't have your name, and the newsgroups
>> line has been right justified. What are you putting in your name, are
>> there some weird characters?
>
> Not as far as I'm aware
>
>
>> Actually, you're not entering a "from" in the headers, yet somehow Opera
>> still puts your name in the list of posts!:
>
> I've no idea why.
>
>> Path: not-for-mail
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
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>
> =
>
> Yes - I notice.
>
> Maybe I'll investigate tomorrow. I'm off to my pit shortly.

Look at a post in the newsgroup which is from you. One you've downloaded, not just in your sent box. Paste all the headers in here. There must be a from header because Opera knows it's your post, but it's buggering up the display. If I can see what you see, maybe I can see what's annoying Opera (which is rather out of date, they haven't updated it in years).

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:25:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:52:41 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hifp3a2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:55:57 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 12:38:08 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <B0UNJ.192005$_5r7.47265@fx09.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/02/2022 18:04, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 1:30:00 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <ceKNJ.19199$fGj4.2348@fx04.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 03:46, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I
>>>>>>> used MK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They really should update THIS page:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/5vqGRNm (Screenshot)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This one is fine:- https://www.videolan.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe they left in the OS X for folks with older systems or using older links?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps they have. I did drop them an email about it.
>>>>
>>>> Using OS X in 2022 is rather like folk using Windows 95 - best not to do
>>>> so, in my opinion.
>>>
>>> I would agree it is better to use newer systems... though not all have access.
>>
>> Have you never heard of piratebay?
>
> I have though I have not used it.

Your "not all have access" is incorrect. Everyone has access to piratebay.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:29:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:54:11 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hifslxcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:22:05 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:26:56 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hh566qsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:21:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:22:19 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hgo7hnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I used
>>>>>>> MK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never heard of MK, but VLC handles everything. Quite why 50 formats were
>>>>>> developed I don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it is worse than just formats... you have a kazillion video formats and a
>>>>> kazillion audio formats and then different wrappers. And of course you can
>>>>> also have different subtitle tracks and multiple sound tracks (and video for
>>>>> that matter). Some of this comes from the advancement of tech, but some comes
>>>>> from people re-inventing the wheel.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed. It's all very well making a new format which has much better
>>>> compression, but not if it only improves it by 2%.
>>>>
>>>> I bet it's more to do with people not being able to use other formats due to
>>>> pathetic childish copyright laws.
>>>
>>> Copyright and other IP laws. Sure.
>>
>> Which have caused everyone to reinvent the wheel and cause countless headaches.
>
> And also led to some improvements...

Bollocks.

> but, yes, some IP laws can be absurd (Disney has far too much power in IP laws!)

Better without them altogether. The whole notion of an abstract thing being owned is insanity.

>>>> On that note, I'm surprised VLC can be free when all those codecs are supposed
>>>> to be paid for.
>>>
>>> I have wondered about that.
>>
>> Because they ignore the stupid rules? Maybe they're based in a more sensible
>> country like China or Russia.
>
> Does not seem like it... but since it is free they are less impacted by some
> laws.
>
> https://www.ffmpeg.org/legal.html
>
> (VLC used FFmpeg)

Without reading all that unintelligible legalese, I assume it says (since it's Gnu) that you may use it as long as you don't profit from it. Is that why Windows Media Player is shit and doesn't play half the stuff? Because MS although they don't sell Media Player, are shipping it with a paid for OS?

Anyway, I'm sure some codecs are not Gnu and require payment even if used in a free program.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:30:50 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:55:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hifuadzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:23:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:25:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hh540bimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:18:22 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:21:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hgo6hafmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:46:46 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When did the world get populated by sissies? When I were a lad anyone taking a
>>>>>> precaution was laughed at and beaten up.
>>>>>
>>>>> You assume a character flaw in things that improve society.
>>>>
>>>> Society has not been improved by shoving red tape everywhere to get in the way
>>>> of people getting their work achieved. The most efficient workers are those
>>>> that ignore the rules.
>>>
>>> No doubt things have been handled poorly -- and in any large system there will
>>> always be issues. There is no utopia. But we are much better off with safety
>>> standards than without.
>>
>> No we're not. You're free to be safe if you want. But it's wrong to force
>> others to be safe if they don't want to.
>
> The standards are set and cannot be changed on a per-person situation. You go
> to the store to buy an apple... they are not going to have the apples which
> have had protections from regulations and the ones that have not. Or if they
> do they cannot for every product.

But I can buy the fake apples from China with no regulations.

>>>>> Try living a few hundred years ago. Try living as a hunter and gatherer.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to. Much simpler. I can't wait until we go back to that when we use
>>>> up all the resources.
>>>
>>> You still can. There are islands where there are few people.
>>
>> That's cheating. It would feel like playing a computer game.
>
> Back to you wanting the benefits but not agreeing to requirements to give back
> a smaller amount then you get.

I don't want the benefits.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 12:42:31 -0000, wrote:

> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>
>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>
>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>
>> whoosh carrot 2
>>
>> How else would it be seen?
>
>
> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>
> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?

He doesn't need to. It's well known that the ^ sign means to the power of.

On Feb 13, 2022 at 3:19:05 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hjux3zbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:32:41 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:42:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hh1dlffmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 04:54:22 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:43 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:09:53 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>>>>>>>> Royce.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>>>>>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * Double clicking
>>>>>>>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>>>>>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>>>>>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>>>>>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>>>>>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>>>>>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>>>>>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>>>>>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>>>>>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>>>>>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>>>>>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>>>>>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>>>>>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>>>>>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>>>>>>>> associated with the file)
>>>>>>>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>>>>>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>>>>>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>>>>>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>>>>>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not just play them in the browser like everyone else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don=E2=80=99t like ads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your browser permits ads? Oh dear. I never see Youtube ads or any other ad.
>>>>
>>>> What browser do you use that doesn=E2=80=99t show you YouTube ads?
>>>
>>> Opera with some plugins. Opera has huge numbers of plugins available. But
>>> they're available for most other browsers too. I think it's "Enhancer for
>>> YouTube"
>>
>> Very cool. Thanks.
>>
>>> I have another one to download the videos.
>>
>> I have methods to do that as well.
>
> You are stealing money from the people making money from advertising. You are
> therefore as guilty of the "crime" I commit by pirating music or software.

On Feb 13, 2022 at 3:16:16 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hjutez4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:30:49 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:48:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hh1mptimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>> We are superior to you pathetic yanks!
>>>>
>>>> Because nothing was ever invented in America?
>>>
>>> According to Wikipedia, 79 inventions came from Scotland, and 200 from America.
>>
>> I doubt Wikipedia says that.
>
> It would have been trivial for you to check. Let me do it for you....
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Scottish_inventions
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_inventions
>
> Pages in category "Scottish inventions"
> The following 79 pages are in this category
>
> Pages in category "American inventions"
> The following 200 pages are in this category

Those pages do not back your claim.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Feb 13, 2022 at 3:21:09 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hju1js7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:33:23 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:40:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hh09dggmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 04:54:21 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:42 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:15:51 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why I
>>>>>>>>> buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
>>>>>>>>> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or
>>>>>>>>> at difficult angles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can%19t avoid benefiting from government regulations that are designed to
>>>>>>>> protect you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. I have just told you how I avoid them. And I
>>>>>>> don't benefit from something being more expensive so pansies can use them
>>>>>>> safely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You benefit in ways you don=E2=80=99t see. Ok.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I benefit from something I don't use? "That's why I buy Chinese
>>>>> Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test"
>>>>
>>>> You benefit from things and the society. As long as you=E2=80=99re in the
>>>> society
>>>> you can=E2=80=99t help it.
>>>
>>> Yes I can, by not using the safe things.
>>
>> The things you buy, the roads you use, the tools you work with -- almost all
>> have some level of safety standards built in. You cannot avoid it and live in
>> a modern society.
>
> I can by buying Chinese.

Name a couple products you buy you think has no such safety standards.

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On Feb 13, 2022 at 7:52:56 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hj7miejmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:29:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:54:11 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hifslxcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:22:05 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:26:56 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1hh566qsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:21:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:22:19 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1hgo7hnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I used
>>>>>>>> MK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never heard of MK, but VLC handles everything. Quite why 50 formats were
>>>>>>> developed I don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it is worse than just formats... you have a kazillion video formats and a
>>>>>> kazillion audio formats and then different wrappers. And of course you can
>>>>>> also have different subtitle tracks and multiple sound tracks (and video for
>>>>>> that matter). Some of this comes from the advancement of tech, but some comes
>>>>>> from people re-inventing the wheel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. It's all very well making a new format which has much better
>>>>> compression, but not if it only improves it by 2%.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet it's more to do with people not being able to use other formats due to
>>>>> pathetic childish copyright laws.
>>>>
>>>> Copyright and other IP laws. Sure.
>>>
>>> Which have caused everyone to reinvent the wheel and cause countless headaches.
>>
>> And also led to some improvements...
>
> Bollocks.

I would like to see support for this.

>
>> but, yes, some IP laws can be absurd (Disney has far too much power in IP
>> laws!)
>
> Better without them altogether. The whole notion of an abstract thing being
> owned is insanity.

I am OK with IP laws... but they have gotten absurd.

>
>>>>> On that note, I'm surprised VLC can be free when all those codecs are supposed
>>>>> to be paid for.
>>>>
>>>> I have wondered about that.
>>>
>>> Because they ignore the stupid rules? Maybe they're based in a more sensible
>>> country like China or Russia.
>>
>> Does not seem like it... but since it is free they are less impacted by some
>> laws.
>>
>> https://www.ffmpeg.org/legal.html
>>
>> (VLC used FFmpeg)
>
> Without reading all that unintelligible legalese, I assume it says (since it's
> Gnu) that you may use it as long as you don't profit from it. Is that why
> Windows Media Player is shit and doesn't play half the stuff? Because MS
> although they don't sell Media Player, are shipping it with a paid for OS?

Also says they can use the codecs because they do not profit from them.

>
> Anyway, I'm sure some codecs are not Gnu and require payment even if used in a
> free program.

They claim otherwise. Would be interesting to see court cases tied to this. I
am sure they exist.

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