On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>

> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
> >
> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.

Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX

> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?

Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar, but hated the way they pronounced the word.
I'm staying at big sur until I can think of a good reason to go to Monterey at home at work the highest I can go is High Sierra.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>
>> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
>> >
>> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
>> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
>> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
>> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
>> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
>> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
>> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
>> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
>> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
>> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
>> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
>> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
>> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
>> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
>> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
>> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
>> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
>> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
>> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
>> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
>> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
>
> Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
> If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
> Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
> In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
> It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
> Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX

Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.

I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.

>> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
>> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
>
> Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,

They all look the same to me.

> but hated the way they pronounced the word.

Americayans cayant pronounce anything riot. Not one single-syllable word in their pronounciation.

> I'm staying at big sur until I can think of a good reason to go to Monterey at home

No point in keeping old version of anything.

> at work the highest I can go is High Sierra.

Why can you not go higher at work?

On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
> >> >
> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
> >
> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>
> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.

I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.

What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.

Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10

If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.

> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
> >
> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
> They all look the same to me.

No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
even since windows 3.1
Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.

> > but hated the way they pronounced the word.
> Americayans cayant pronounce anything riot. Not one single-syllable word in their pronounciation.

Yep, and spelling.

> > I'm staying at big sur until I can think of a good reason to go to Monterey at home
> No point in keeping old version of anything.

I do I'm still using Mac OS9 to play on game I like from the late 90s.
On a computer I bought in 1999, whcih is still working fine.

> > at work the highest I can go is High Sierra.
> Why can you not go higher at work?

This Mid 2011 iMac is just too old to install the later software, but is quite amazing how many PC users come in and say you're lucky you've got such a nice macine and they have a 1-3 year-ld PC in their hands.
They don't believe me when I tell them it's over 10 years old, it;s never crashed , I've never had ro re-install the OS .

The only thing I've done is upgrade the memeory from 8GB to 24GB, which took me a 5mins to do.
Most of that time was trying to get the DIMMS out of the plastic they came in!

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
>> >> >
>> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
>> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
>> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
>> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
>> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
>> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
>> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
>> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
>> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
>> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
>> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
>> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
>> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
>> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
>> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
>> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
>> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
>> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
>> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
>> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
>> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
>> >
>> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
>> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
>> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
>> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
>> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
>> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
>> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>>
>> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>
> I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.

You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."

> Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
>
> What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.

It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.

> Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
> W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10

The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.

> If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.
>
>> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
>> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
>> >
>> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
>> They all look the same to me.
>
> No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
> even since windows 3.1
> Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.

It vastly improved it. We had a taskbar long before you.

>> > but hated the way they pronounced the word.
>> Americayans cayant pronounce anything riot. Not one single-syllable word in their pronounciation.
>
> Yep, and spelling.

Aloominum. I thought that was just pronounciation, but they spell it wrong too!

>> > I'm staying at big sur until I can think of a good reason to go to Monterey at home
>> No point in keeping old version of anything.
>
> I do I'm still using Mac OS9 to play on game I like from the late 90s.
> On a computer I bought in 1999, whcih is still working fine.

Old games suck. I did try one, but I couldn't get the fucking thing to work on any version of windows, I think it didn't like the modern hardware.

>> > at work the highest I can go is High Sierra.
>> Why can you not go higher at work?
>
> This Mid 2011 iMac is just too old to install the later software, but is quite amazing how many PC users come in and say you're lucky you've got such a nice macine and they have a 1-3 year-ld PC in their hands.
> They don't believe me when I tell them it's over 10 years old, it;s never crashed , I've never had ro re-install the OS .

I have the latest Windows on a 13 year old PC. But Apple doesn't know what compatibility means. I remember when USB came out, they immediately stopped serial ports, so we had to change the printer too!

> The only thing I've done is upgrade the memeory from 8GB to 24GB, which took me a 5mins to do.
> Most of that time was trying to get the DIMMS out of the plastic they came in!

If it will take 24GB, it must be able to take the latest OS. The computer I mentioned above is only 8GB (motherboard maxed out).

Did you have to buy overpriced Apple memory, or does it take normal stuff?

On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
> >> >
> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
> >>
> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
> >
> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."

Correct regarding intergers
Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.

whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.

> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
> >
> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.

What box ,

> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.

So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
which will be even more confusing.

> > If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.
> >
> >> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
> >> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
> >> >
> >> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
> >> They all look the same to me.
> >
> > No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
> > even since windows 3.1
> > Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.
> It vastly improved it. We had a taskbar long before you.

A taskbar is quite minor though and while you may have had a taskbar, Mac OS you could just go to the finder icon top right click and go down to any applicationt hat was currently open this came out in the late 1980s or maybe ealier .

> >> > but hated the way they pronounced the word.
> >> Americayans cayant pronounce anything riot. Not one single-syllable word in their pronounciation.
> >
> > Yep, and spelling.
> Aloominum. I thought that was just pronounciation, but they spell it wrong too!

and many other words they(well not all perhaps) can't even understand the differnce bewteen centre and center.

> >> > I'm staying at big sur until I can think of a good reason to go to Monterey at home
> >> No point in keeping old version of anything.
> >
> > I do I'm still using Mac OS9 to play on game I like from the late 90s.
> > On a computer I bought in 1999, whcih is still working fine.
> Old games suck.

I like star craft, even doom was OK on a PC but teh targeting was crap just fire anywhere and you hit the target quite borrowing when you found out.
Now the game marothon on the Mac you had to actually aim at the thing to kill it.

> I did try one, but I couldn't get the fucking thing to work on any version of windows, I think it didn't like the modern hardware.

That's true of most sytems
My all time favourite game was carmeggedon. But Apple when they went from the G3 to G4 they had a velocity engine or something which
made the car blow up if you used a weapon while driving , which made the game pretty pointless .

> >> > at work the highest I can go is High Sierra.
> >> Why can you not go higher at work?
> >
> > This Mid 2011 iMac is just too old to install the later software, but is quite amazing how many PC users come in and say you're lucky you've got such a nice macine and they have a 1-3 year-ld PC in their hands.
> > They don't believe me when I tell them it's over 10 years old, it;s never crashed , I've never had ro re-install the OS .
> I have the latest Windows on a 13 year old PC. But Apple doesn't know what compatibility means. I remember when USB came out, they immediately stopped serial ports, so we had to change the printer too!

But you could start up from a CD drive something you couldn't do from the serial port
And after a few years PC followed, I have 92 iMac like PCs in my lab here at work all running W10 they don;t even have a CD/DVD drive.
At least my iMac has a CD/DVD drive.

> > The only thing I've done is upgrade the memeory from 8GB to 24GB, which took me a 5mins to do.
> > Most of that time was trying to get the DIMMS out of the plastic they came in!
> If it will take 24GB, it must be able to take the latest OS. The computer I mentioned above is only 8GB (motherboard maxed out).

It's more about the graphics card and processor than memory. Apple do restrict things if they don't think the user experience
will be good if you put the latest OS on a computer that is just too old to cope.

>
> Did you have to buy overpriced Apple memory, or does it take normal stuff?

No normal stuff, usually from crucial.com.
In ~1992 I went on the Apple service course near hearthow airport at the time.
Part of the test was to upgrade the ram in a quadra 700. I went to the 'teacher' and said can I have
four 1MB simms, he said fill out the form, I did and put a local supplier down at £30 per simm,
he said you should really get them from us at £100 per simm as we guarentee them.
I said we get them and if they don't work send them back and they replace them.
Never had a problem upgrading any Mac. They asked where I worked , then they said they understood.

You get this with most high end companies, you want your Rolex watch battery changed taken it to their local dealer.
You want your gucci handband repaired, take it to Gucci.
Nothing stopping you from doing it yourself if you know what you're doing. Similar with cars.
With our lab PCs we were told not to change the hard discs otherwise we'd void the warrenty.
So because they are so slow takes 10mins for them to start after installing latest updates,
we replaced them with SSDs. If one goes wrong and we've had a few go wrong we put the HDs back,
and they don't even know.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
>> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
>> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
>> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
>> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
>> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
>> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
>> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
>> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
>> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
>> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
>> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
>> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
>> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
>> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
>> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
>> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
>> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
>> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
>> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
>> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
>> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
>> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
>> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
>> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
>> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
>> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>> >>
>> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>> >
>> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
>> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
>
> Correct regarding intergers
> Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.

Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.

> whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
> as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.

And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?

>> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
>> >
>> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
>> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.
>
> What box ,

The cardboard box, I was meaning the number people see when they buy it.

>> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
>> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
>> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.
>
> So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
> which will be even more confusing.

If you say 9 in English, it sounds like "no" to a German. They didn't want a Windows no.

>> > If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.
>> >
>> >> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
>> >> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
>> >> >
>> >> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
>> >> They all look the same to me.
>> >
>> > No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
>> > even since windows 3.1
>> > Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.
>> It vastly improved it. We had a taskbar long before you.
>
> A taskbar is quite minor though and while you may have had a taskbar, Mac OS you could just go to the finder icon top right click and go down to any applicationt hat was currently open this came out in the late 1980s or maybe ealier .

The taskbar is the best thing since sliced toast. You can always see what apps are running and easily switch between them.

Then Apple copied it and made a dock where you could hardly tell the difference between a running program and an alias.

Then Windows copied that and had pinned icons on the taskbar that look the same as running programs, which I always delete. I start programs from the start menu, I select between running ones on the taskbar, and I never used the desktop.

>> >> > but hated the way they pronounced the word.
>> >> Americayans cayant pronounce anything riot. Not one single-syllable word in their pronounciation.
>> >
>> > Yep, and spelling.
>> Aloominum. I thought that was just pronounciation, but they spell it wrong too!
>
> and many other words they(well not all perhaps) can't even understand the differnce bewteen centre and center.

Tourism and terrorism sound the same.

Mirror and Myrrh.

And what about stoopid stoodents that cayant do math?

>> >> > I'm staying at big sur until I can think of a good reason to go to Monterey at home
>> >> No point in keeping old version of anything.
>> >
>> > I do I'm still using Mac OS9 to play on game I like from the late 90s.
>> > On a computer I bought in 1999, whcih is still working fine.
>> Old games suck.
>
> I like star craft, even doom was OK on a PC but teh targeting was crap just fire anywhere and you hit the target quite borrowing when you found out.
> Now the game marothon on the Mac you had to actually aim at the thing to kill it.

We played interdepartmental Quake deathmatches at my first job. Which of course were only at lunchtime and never accidentally carried on afterwards :-) And of course I would never use departmental money to buy a fast graphics card to give me an advantage.... I then managed to get a £1800 computer including Bang and Olufsen speakers, after asking my boss if I could. He thought I said £800. He said "oh well it's done now". I like people like that.

>> I did try one, but I couldn't get the fucking thing to work on any version of windows, I think it didn't like the modern hardware.
>
> That's true of most sytems
> My all time favourite game was carmeggedon.

I loved that - did you get the splat pack for more blood? Remember the grannies saying "I was in the war!!"?

> But Apple when they went from the G3 to G4 they had a velocity engine or something which
> made the car blow up if you used a weapon while driving , which made the game pretty pointless .

The computer hardware made the car in the game explode? WTF?

>> >> > at work the highest I can go is High Sierra.
>> >> Why can you not go higher at work?
>> >
>> > This Mid 2011 iMac is just too old to install the later software, but is quite amazing how many PC users come in and say you're lucky you've got such a nice macine and they have a 1-3 year-ld PC in their hands.
>> > They don't believe me when I tell them it's over 10 years old, it;s never crashed , I've never had ro re-install the OS .
>> I have the latest Windows on a 13 year old PC. But Apple doesn't know what compatibility means. I remember when USB came out, they immediately stopped serial ports, so we had to change the printer too!
>
> But you could start up from a CD drive something you couldn't do from the serial port

On 18 Mar 2022 at 14:52:52 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com>
wrote:

> I have the latest Windows on a 13 year old PC

Do you really? That's pretty impressive given the system requirement of
TPM 2 wasn't released until 2014, and another requirement DirectX 12 is
from 2015. Well done on your breathtaking foresight.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
The square root of rope is string. -- Core 3, Valve

On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
> >> >>
> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
> >> >
> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
> >
> > Correct regarding intergers
> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.

No one said it has.
What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?

> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?

what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.

> >> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
> >> >
> >> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
> >> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.
> >
> > What box ,
> The cardboard box, I was meaning the number people see when they buy it.

Not sure when the last 'box' for apple OS , last one I have is snow leopard, about 10 years ago.

Are windows still shipping their OS's in boxes with DVDs inside.

> >> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
> >> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
> >> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.
> >
> > So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
> > which will be even more confusing.
> If you say 9 in English, it sounds like "no" to a German. They didn't want a Windows no.

People didn't think that about Mac OS 9

> >> > If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.
> >> >
> >> >> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
> >> >> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
> >> >> They all look the same to me.
> >> >
> >> > No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
> >> > even since windows 3.1
> >> > Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.
> >> It vastly improved it. We had a taskbar long before you.
> >
> > A taskbar is quite minor though and while you may have had a taskbar, Mac OS you could just go to the finder icon top right click and go down to any applicationt hat was currently open this came out in the late 1980s or maybe ealier .
> The taskbar is the best thing since sliced toast. You can always see what apps are running and easily switch between them.

You could do that with a Mac long before from the finder icon, you could even see how much memory they were using,
task bar can;t do that. Here's system 6 from 1988.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6

>
> Then Apple copied it and made a dock where you could hardly tell the difference between a running program and an alias.
>
> Then Windows copied that and had pinned icons on the taskbar that look the same as running programs, which I always delete. I start programs from the start menu, I select between running ones on the taskbar, and I never used the desktop.
> >> >> > but hated the way they pronounced the word.
> >> >> Americayans cayant pronounce anything riot. Not one single-syllable word in their pronounciation.
> >> >
> >> > Yep, and spelling.
> >> Aloominum. I thought that was just pronounciation, but they spell it wrong too!
> >
> > and many other words they(well not all perhaps) can't even understand the differnce bewteen centre and center.
> Tourism and terrorism sound the same.
>
> Mirror and Myrrh.
>
> And what about stoopid stoodents that cayant do math?
> >> >> > I'm staying at big sur until I can think of a good reason to go to Monterey at home
> >> >> No point in keeping old version of anything.
> >> >
> >> > I do I'm still using Mac OS9 to play on game I like from the late 90s.
> >> > On a computer I bought in 1999, whcih is still working fine.
> >> Old games suck.
> >
> > I like star craft, even doom was OK on a PC but teh targeting was crap just fire anywhere and you hit the target quite borrowing when you found out.
> > Now the game marothon on the Mac you had to actually aim at the thing to kill it.
> We played interdepartmental Quake deathmatches at my first job. Which of course were only at lunchtime and never accidentally carried on afterwards :-)

Of course not, I loked quake too played on-line a few times even using a 28k modem.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:43:36 -0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 18 Mar 2022 at 14:52:52 GMT, ""Commander Kinsey"" <CK1@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have the latest Windows on a 13 year old PC
>
> Do you really? That's pretty impressive given the system requirement of
> TPM 2 wasn't released until 2014, and another requirement DirectX 12 is
> from 2015. Well done on your breathtaking foresight.

[assuming sarcasm]

Do some research before you attempt to poke fun.

Those are not requirements to run it, those are fake requirements to install it. I bypassed them.

whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> writes:

> On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave
>> >> <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks
>> >> >> <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >

>> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>> >>
>> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19
>> >> years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>> >
>> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
>> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole
>> number change."

>> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 ,
>> > 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
>> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then
>> > windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
>> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or
>> version numbers sell best.
>
> So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then
> 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
> which will be even more confusing.
>
>

No windows 9 because of bad programmers. Not Microsoft's but those who checked for a Windows version such that machining Windows 9 would have also matched Windows 95 and 98 which really would not have been user friendly.

So easier to make it Windows 10

Like many things in Windows the correct system APIs give the correct information and the hooks to do most things but a lot of lazy programmers either just use simple string comparisons or treat it like Unix and miss things.
--
Mark

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:59:08 -0000, Mark Bestley <gnus@bestley.co.uk> wrote:

> whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave
>>> >> <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks
>>> >> >> <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>
>>> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>>> >>
>>> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19
>>> >> years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>>> >
>>> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
>>> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole
>>> number change."
>
>>> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 ,
>>> > 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
>>> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then
>>> > windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
>>> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or
>>> version numbers sell best.
>>
>> So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then
>> 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
>> which will be even more confusing.
>
> No windows 9 because of bad programmers. Not Microsoft's but those who checked for a Windows version such that machining Windows 9 would have also matched Windows 95 and 98 which really would not have been user friendly.
>
> So easier to make it Windows 10
>
> Like many things in Windows the correct system APIs give the correct information and the hooks to do most things but a lot of lazy programmers either just use simple string comparisons or treat it like Unix and miss things.

Apparently that's a myth. It's due to nein being no in German.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail..com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
>> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
>> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
>> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
>> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
>> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
>> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
>> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
>> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
>> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
>> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
>> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
>> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
>> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
>> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
>> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>> >> >
>> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
>> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
>> >
>> > Correct regarding intergers
>> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
>> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.
>
> No one said it has.

But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself: "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."

> What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?

Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.

>> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
>> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
>> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
>
> what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
> They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.

Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.

>> >> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
>> >> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.
>> >
>> > What box ,
>> The cardboard box, I was meaning the number people see when they buy it.
>
> Not sure when the last 'box' for apple OS , last one I have is snow leopard, about 10 years ago.
>
> Are windows still shipping their OS's in boxes with DVDs inside.

It's a figure of speech you silly old fart.

>> >> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
>> >> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
>> >> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.
>> >
>> > So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
>> > which will be even more confusing.
>> If you say 9 in English, it sounds like "no" to a German. They didn't want a Windows no.
>
> People didn't think that about Mac OS 9

Germans aren't stupid enough to use an Apple Os.

>> >> > If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
>> >> >> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
>> >> >> They all look the same to me.
>> >> >
>> >> > No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
>> >> > even since windows 3.1
>> >> > Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.
>> >> It vastly improved it. We had a taskbar long before you.
>> >
>> > A taskbar is quite minor though and while you may have had a taskbar, Mac OS you could just go to the finder icon top right click and go down to any applicationt hat was currently open this came out in the late 1980s or maybe ealier .
>> The taskbar is the best thing since sliced toast. You can always see what apps are running and easily switch between them.
>
> You could do that with a Mac long before from the finder icon, you could even see how much memory they were using,
> task bar can;t do that. Here's system 6 from 1988.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6

Where does that say anything about which apps are running?

P.S. ROTFPMSL!
"Initial releases of System 6 are unstable; many third-party developers did not receive advance copies, resulting in widespread compatibility issues.[2] The contemporary versions of many common programs such as Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Works and 4th Dimension were not fully compatible with System 6.[2] There were also software bugs in the Color Manager, Script Manager, and Sound Manager extension files. Apple announced that 66 bugs were fixed with version 6.0.1 update, in September 1988.[16][17] However, a major bug involving the text-spacing of screen fonts was found, and was fixed in version 6.0.2.[17] Some customers waited longer until moving to System 6 because of its poor reputation."

>> Then Apple copied it and made a dock where you could hardly tell the difference between a running program and an alias.
>>
>> Then Windows copied that and had pinned icons on the taskbar that look the same as running programs, which I always delete. I start programs from the start menu, I select between running ones on the taskbar, and I never used the desktop.
>> >> >> > but hated the way they pronounced the word.
>> >> >> Americayans cayant pronounce anything riot. Not one single-syllable word in their pronounciation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yep, and spelling.
>> >> Aloominum. I thought that was just pronounciation, but they spell it wrong too!
>> >
>> > and many other words they(well not all perhaps) can't even understand the differnce bewteen centre and center.
>> Tourism and terrorism sound the same.
>>
>> Mirror and Myrrh.
>>
>> And what about stoopid stoodents that cayant do math?
>> >> >> > I'm staying at big sur until I can think of a good reason to go to Monterey at home
>> >> >> No point in keeping old version of anything.
>> >> >
>> >> > I do I'm still using Mac OS9 to play on game I like from the late 90s.
>> >> > On a computer I bought in 1999, whcih is still working fine.
>> >> Old games suck.
>> >
>> > I like star craft, even doom was OK on a PC but teh targeting was crap just fire anywhere and you hit the target quite borrowing when you found out.
>> > Now the game marothon on the Mac you had to actually aim at the thing to kill it.
>> We played interdepartmental Quake deathmatches at my first job. Which of course were only at lunchtime and never accidentally carried on afterwards :-)
>
> Of course not, I loked quake too played on-line a few times even using a 28k modem.

On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
> >> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
> >> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
> >> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
> >> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
> >> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
> >> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
> >> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
> >> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
> >> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
> >> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
> >> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
> >> >
> >> > Correct regarding intergers
> >> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
> >> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.
> >
> > No one said it has.
> But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself:

No I used the word increment nothing to do with first numbers.

> "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."

Yep.

> > What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?
> Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.

They are differnt animals and I'm sure there's no order of which animal is best, it's just a label.
A bit like windows millennium and what about XP, CE and vista.

> >> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
> >> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
> >> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
> >
> > what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
> > They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.
> Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.

Because that's how it was.
A bit like going into a bar and drinking differnt types of beer and one day you then start buying spirits.
Totally differnt way of drinking.

> >> >> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
> >> >> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.
> >> >
> >> > What box ,
> >> The cardboard box, I was meaning the number people see when they buy it.
> >
> > Not sure when the last 'box' for apple OS , last one I have is snow leopard, about 10 years ago.
> >
> > Are windows still shipping their OS's in boxes with DVDs inside.
> It's a figure of speech you silly old fart.
> >> >> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
> >> >> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
> >> >> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.
> >> >
> >> > So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
> >> > which will be even more confusing.
> >> If you say 9 in English, it sounds like "no" to a German. They didn't want a Windows no.
> >
> > People didn't think that about Mac OS 9
> Germans aren't stupid enough to use an Apple Os.

So why worry about whate germans think ?

> >> >> > If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
> >> >> >> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
> >> >> >> They all look the same to me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
> >> >> > even since windows 3.1
> >> >> > Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.
> >> >> It vastly improved it. We had a taskbar long before you.
> >> >
> >> > A taskbar is quite minor though and while you may have had a taskbar, Mac OS you could just go to the finder icon top right click and go down to any applicationt hat was currently open this came out in the late 1980s or maybe ealier .
> >> The taskbar is the best thing since sliced toast. You can always see what apps are running and easily switch between them.
> >
> > You could do that with a Mac long before from the finder icon, you could even see how much memory they were using,
> > task bar can;t do that. Here's system 6 from 1988.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
> Where does that say anything about which apps are running?

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:40:22 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail..com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
>> >> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
>> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
>> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
>> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
>> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
>> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
>> >> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
>> >> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
>> >> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
>> >> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
>> >> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
>> >> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
>> >> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
>> >> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
>> >> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
>> >> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
>> >> >
>> >> > Correct regarding intergers
>> >> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
>> >> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.
>> >
>> > No one said it has.
>> But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself:
>
> No I used the word increment nothing to do with first numbers.
>
>> "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."
>
> Yep.

So you're saying a big change is the first number, and a small change is other numbers. so Firefox are being silly when they say 96 major changes.

>> > What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?
>> Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.
>
> They are differnt animals and I'm sure there's no order of which animal is best, it's just a label.
> A bit like windows millennium and what about XP, CE and vista.

I agree they're all stupid, they should just be numbers. I have no idea if a lollipop is better than a mars bar on Android either.

>> >> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
>> >> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
>> >> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
>> >
>> > what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
>> > They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering..
>> Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.
>
> Because that's how it was.
> A bit like going into a bar and drinking differnt types of beer and one day you then start buying spirits.
> Totally differnt way of drinking.

So you're saying the last two re significantly different? I doubt it.

>> >> >> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
>> >> >> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.
>> >> >
>> >> > What box ,
>> >> The cardboard box, I was meaning the number people see when they buy it.
>> >
>> > Not sure when the last 'box' for apple OS , last one I have is snow leopard, about 10 years ago.
>> >
>> > Are windows still shipping their OS's in boxes with DVDs inside.
>> It's a figure of speech you silly old fart.
>> >> >> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
>> >> >> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
>> >> >> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.
>> >> >
>> >> > So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
>> >> > which will be even more confusing.
>> >> If you say 9 in English, it sounds like "no" to a German. They didn't want a Windows no.
>> >
>> > People didn't think that about Mac OS 9
>> Germans aren't stupid enough to use an Apple Os.
>
> So why worry about whate germans think ?

They didn't, which is why Apple used 9 and MS didn't. Actually most Germans use Linux. At least every German I worked with did.

>> >> >> > If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
>> >> >> >> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
>> >> >> >> They all look the same to me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
>> >> >> > even since windows 3.1
>> >> >> > Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.
>> >> >> It vastly improved it. We had a taskbar long before you.
>> >> >
>> >> > A taskbar is quite minor though and while you may have had a taskbar, Mac OS you could just go to the finder icon top right click and go down to any applicationt hat was currently open this came out in the late 1980s or maybe ealier .
>> >> The taskbar is the best thing since sliced toast. You can always see what apps are running and easily switch between them.
>> >
>> > You could do that with a Mac long before from the finder icon, you could even see how much memory they were using,
>> > task bar can;t do that. Here's system 6 from 1988.
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
>> Where does that say anything about which apps are running?
>
> it shows how much memory the system is taken then the finder and if there was an app running
> it would show up.

On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 12:58:41 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:40:22 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
> >> >> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
> >> >> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
> >> >> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
> >> >> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
> >> >> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
> >> >> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
> >> >> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Correct regarding intergers
> >> >> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
> >> >> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so..
> >> >
> >> > No one said it has.
> >> But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself:
> >
> > No I used the word increment nothing to do with first numbers.
> >
> >> "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."
> >
> > Yep.
> So you're saying a big change is the first number, and a small change is other numbers. so Firefox are being silly when they say 96 major changes.
> >> > What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?
> >> Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.
> >
> > They are differnt animals and I'm sure there's no order of which animal is best, it's just a label.
> > A bit like windows millennium and what about XP, CE and vista.
> I agree they're all stupid, they should just be numbers. I have no idea if a lollipop is better than a mars bar on Android either.

My students have names but I organise them by email number of group number.

> >> >> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
> >> >> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
> >> >> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
> >> >
> >> > what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
> >> > They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.
> >> Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.
> >
> > Because that's how it was.
> > A bit like going into a bar and drinking differnt types of beer and one day you then start buying spirits.
> > Totally differnt way of drinking.
> So you're saying the last two re significantly different? I doubt it.

Depends on features or what's been added. Then there's imporvements , and then bug fixes.

> >> >> >> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
> >> >> >> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What box ,
> >> >> The cardboard box, I was meaning the number people see when they buy it.
> >> >
> >> > Not sure when the last 'box' for apple OS , last one I have is snow leopard, about 10 years ago.
> >> >
> >> > Are windows still shipping their OS's in boxes with DVDs inside.
> >> It's a figure of speech you silly old fart.
> >> >> >> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
> >> >> >> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
> >> >> >> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
> >> >> > which will be even more confusing.
> >> >> If you say 9 in English, it sounds like "no" to a German. They didn't want a Windows no.
> >> >
> >> > People didn't think that about Mac OS 9
> >> Germans aren't stupid enough to use an Apple Os.
> >
> > So why worry about whate germans think ?

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:51:42 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 12:58:41 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:40:22 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail..com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
>> >> >> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
>> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
>> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
>> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
>> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
>> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
>> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
>> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
>> >> >> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
>> >> >> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
>> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
>> >> >> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
>> >> >> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
>> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
>> >> >> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
>> >> >> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Correct regarding intergers
>> >> >> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
>> >> >> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.
>> >> >
>> >> > No one said it has.
>> >> But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself:
>> >
>> > No I used the word increment nothing to do with first numbers.
>> >
>> >> "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."
>> >
>> > Yep.
>> So you're saying a big change is the first number, and a small change is other numbers. so Firefox are being silly when they say 96 major changes.
>> >> > What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?
>> >> Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.
>> >
>> > They are differnt animals and I'm sure there's no order of which animal is best, it's just a label.
>> > A bit like windows millennium and what about XP, CE and vista.
>> I agree they're all stupid, they should just be numbers. I have no idea if a lollipop is better than a mars bar on Android either.
>
> My students have names but I organise them by email number of group number.

Indeed, when I studied we all had a "matriculation number".

>> >> >> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
>> >> >> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
>> >> >> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
>> >> >
>> >> > what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
>> >> > They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.
>> >> Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.
>> >
>> > Because that's how it was.
>> > A bit like going into a bar and drinking differnt types of beer and one day you then start buying spirits.
>> > Totally differnt way of drinking.
>> So you're saying the last two re significantly different? I doubt it.
>
> Depends on features or what's been added. Then there's imporvements , and then bug fixes.

I doubt there were two major changes recently, after nothing significant for 19 years.

>> >> >> >> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
>> >> >> >> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What box ,
>> >> >> The cardboard box, I was meaning the number people see when they buy it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not sure when the last 'box' for apple OS , last one I have is snow leopard, about 10 years ago.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are windows still shipping their OS's in boxes with DVDs inside.
>> >> It's a figure of speech you silly old fart.
>> >> >> >> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
>> >> >> >> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
>> >> >> >> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
>> >> >> > which will be even more confusing.
>> >> >> If you say 9 in English, it sounds like "no" to a German. They didn't want a Windows no.
>> >> >
>> >> > People didn't think that about Mac OS 9
>> >> Germans aren't stupid enough to use an Apple Os.
>> >
>> > So why worry about whate germans think ?
>
>> They didn't, which is why Apple used 9 and MS didn't. Actually most Germans use Linux. At least every German I worked with did.
>
> Seems it's easy to find out.
> Microsoft skipped Windows 9 to avoid confusion with Windows 95 and Windows 98. Specifically, there was existing code, written by third parties (i.e. not modifiable by Microsoft) that detected old windows versions by checking if the version name began with the character '9'.

On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 14:46:53 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:51:42 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 12:58:41 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:40:22 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
> >> >> >> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
> >> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
> >> >> >> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
> >> >> >> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
> >> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
> >> >> >> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
> >> >> >> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Correct regarding intergers
> >> >> >> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
> >> >> >> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No one said it has.
> >> >> But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself:
> >> >
> >> > No I used the word increment nothing to do with first numbers.
> >> >
> >> >> "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."
> >> >
> >> > Yep.
> >> So you're saying a big change is the first number, and a small change is other numbers. so Firefox are being silly when they say 96 major changes..
> >> >> > What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?
> >> >> Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.
> >> >
> >> > They are differnt animals and I'm sure there's no order of which animal is best, it's just a label.
> >> > A bit like windows millennium and what about XP, CE and vista.
> >> I agree they're all stupid, they should just be numbers. I have no idea if a lollipop is better than a mars bar on Android either.
> >
> > My students have names but I organise them by email number of group number.
> Indeed, when I studied we all had a "matriculation number".

Now that does sound a bit borg like. We have student number but I rarely see that number.

> >> >> >> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
> >> >> >> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
> >> >> >> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
> >> >> > They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.
> >> >> Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.
> >> >
> >> > Because that's how it was.
> >> > A bit like going into a bar and drinking differnt types of beer and one day you then start buying spirits.
> >> > Totally differnt way of drinking.
> >> So you're saying the last two re significantly different? I doubt it.
> >
> > Depends on features or what's been added. Then there's imporvements , and then bug fixes.
> I doubt there were two major changes recently, after nothing significant for 19 years.

Added extra functionality but unless I bother to look I won;t know, I know there's something new in facetime .
but I don;t use it.

Something new for macOS Monterey is the introduction of AirPlay to the Mac. When the update arrives, you'll be able to stream and share content from your iPhone, iPad or other Mac directly onto the screen of an iMac or MacBook. Not only that, but the Mac can act as an AirPlay speaker, meaning you can stream songs to it from your other Apple devices. You could use this feature to create multi-room audio for a party, for example.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:47:09 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 14:46:53 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:51:42 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 12:58:41 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:40:22 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail..com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
>> >> >> >> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
>> >> >> >> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Correct regarding intergers
>> >> >> >> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
>> >> >> >> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No one said it has.
>> >> >> But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself:
>> >> >
>> >> > No I used the word increment nothing to do with first numbers.
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."
>> >> >
>> >> > Yep.
>> >> So you're saying a big change is the first number, and a small change is other numbers. so Firefox are being silly when they say 96 major changes.
>> >> >> > What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?
>> >> >> Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better.. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.
>> >> >
>> >> > They are differnt animals and I'm sure there's no order of which animal is best, it's just a label.
>> >> > A bit like windows millennium and what about XP, CE and vista.
>> >> I agree they're all stupid, they should just be numbers. I have no idea if a lollipop is better than a mars bar on Android either.
>> >
>> > My students have names but I organise them by email number of group number.
>> Indeed, when I studied we all had a "matriculation number".
>
> Now that does sound a bit borg like. We have student number but I rarely see that number.

Neither did I.

>> >> >> >> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
>> >> >> >> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
>> >> >> >> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
>> >> >> > They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.
>> >> >> Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.
>> >> >
>> >> > Because that's how it was.
>> >> > A bit like going into a bar and drinking differnt types of beer and one day you then start buying spirits.
>> >> > Totally differnt way of drinking.
>> >> So you're saying the last two re significantly different? I doubt it.
>> >
>> > Depends on features or what's been added. Then there's imporvements , and then bug fixes.
>> I doubt there were two major changes recently, after nothing significant for 19 years.
>
> Added extra functionality but unless I bother to look I won;t know, I know there's something new in facetime .
> but I don;t use it.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:47:09 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 14:46:53 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:51:42 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 12:58:41 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:40:22 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
>> >> >> >> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments.
>> >> >> >> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Correct regarding intergers
>> >> >> >> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
>> >> >> >> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No one said it has.
>> >> >> But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself:
>> >> >
>> >> > No I used the word increment nothing to do with first numbers.
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."
>> >> >
>> >> > Yep.
>> >> So you're saying a big change is the first number, and a small change is other numbers. so Firefox are being silly when they say 96 major changes.
>> >> >> > What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?
>> >> >> Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.
>> >> >
>> >> > They are differnt animals and I'm sure there's no order of which animal is best, it's just a label.
>> >> > A bit like windows millennium and what about XP, CE and vista.
>> >> I agree they're all stupid, they should just be numbers. I have no idea if a lollipop is better than a mars bar on Android either.
>> >
>> > My students have names but I organise them by email number of group number.
>> Indeed, when I studied we all had a "matriculation number".
>
> Now that does sound a bit borg like. We have student number but I rarely see that number.

Are macs still made without cooling fans, using convection only? If so how can they be as powerful as PCs?

On 25/03/2022 06:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[....]
> Are macs still made without cooling fans, using convection only?  If so
> how can they be as powerful as PCs?

My iMacs do have fans.

My wife's MacBook Air - with an M1 chip - does NOT have a/any fans.

https://www.engadget.com/apple-macbook-air-m1-cpu-182724460.html

It feels solid and dependable - superb engineering in aluminium, not
plastic.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0000, David (BD) <BD@nomale.afrayed.org> wrote:

> On 25/03/2022 06:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> [....]
>> Are macs still made without cooling fans, using convection only? If so
>> how can they be as powerful as PCs?
>
> My iMacs do have fans.
>
> My wife's MacBook Air - with an M1 chip - does NOT have a/any fans.
>
> https://www.engadget.com/apple-macbook-air-m1-cpu-182724460.html
>
> It feels solid and dependable - superb engineering in aluminium, not
> plastic.

You throw away money on that engineering. I prefer all the money to go to the electronics. 8 cores ROTFPMSL! The best computers are around 64 cores.

On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 17:51:40 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:47:09 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 14:46:53 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:51:42 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 12:58:41 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:40:22 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 14:52:58 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:49:23 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 13:03:01 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:38:48 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 12:01:05 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:18:01 -0000, David Brooks <B....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes - switched to geographic features long ago!
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10 beta: Kodiak - 13 September 2000
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.0: Cheetah - 24 March 2001
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.1: Puma - 25 September 2001
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.2: Jaguar - 24 August 2002
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.3 Panther (Pinot) - 24 October 2003
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.4 Tiger (Merlot) - 29 April 2005
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [OS X 10.4.4 Tiger (Chardonnay)]
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.5 Leopard (Chablis) - 26 October 2007
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - 28 August 2009
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.7 Lion (Barolo) - 20 July 2011
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Zinfandel) - 25 July 2012
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.9 Mavericks (Cabernet) - 22 October 2013
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.10: Yosemite (Syrah) - 16 October 2014
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > OS X 10.11: El Capitan (Gala) - 30 September 2015
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.12: Sierra (Fuji) - 20 September 2016
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.13: High Sierra (Lobo) - 25 September 2017
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.14: Mojave (Liberty) - 24 September 2018
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 10.15: Catalina (Jazz) - 7 October 2019
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 11: Big Sur - 12 November 2020
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > macOS 12: Monterey - 25 October 2021
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh that really is childish, look how they started going up in whole numbers. 19 years of point something, then suddenly two whole numbers in 2 years. It's a competition between them and Microsoft to have a higher number.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS 1 started in 1984.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > In those days updates were'nt as regualar as there was little point in sending out new discs every few days.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It wasn;t until easy downloads for most were availbe that it was worth doing such small regular increments.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mac OS X or 10. was a totally new system based on uniX
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Incorrect. My Windows 11 is 10.0.22000.556 if you ask it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I also don't believe Apple released only minor changes for 19 years, then suddenly came up with two major changes in 2 years.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > I never said minor changes or updates, I said increments..
> >> >> >> >> >> You said "If it's a minor u[pdate or bug fix you don;t need a whole number change."
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Correct regarding intergers
> >> >> >> >> > Recently my firefox went from 97.0.1 to 97.0.2 which just fixed a few bugs.
> >> >> >> >> Yeah, so Firefox have made 96 significant changes, I don't think so.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > No one said it has.
> >> >> >> But the first number is for a major change - you said so yourself:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No I used the word increment nothing to do with first numbers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Nothing to do with MS and whole numbers. It is how updates work.. If it's a minor update or bug fix you don't need a whole number change."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yep.
> >> >> So you're saying a big change is the first number, and a small change is other numbers. so Firefox are being silly when they say 96 major changes.
> >> >> >> > What about windows 5, 6 and 9 ?
> >> >> >> Marketing bullshit, they decided years or names would be better. No different to the the animal bullshit from Apple. Is a tiger better than a leopard? Who knows? Only David Attenborough.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > They are differnt animals and I'm sure there's no order of which animal is best, it's just a label.
> >> >> > A bit like windows millennium and what about XP, CE and vista.
> >> >> I agree they're all stupid, they should just be numbers. I have no idea if a lollipop is better than a mars bar on Android either.
> >> >
> >> > My students have names but I organise them by email number of group number.
> >> Indeed, when I studied we all had a "matriculation number".
> >
> > Now that does sound a bit borg like. We have student number but I rarely see that number.
> Neither did I.
> >> >> >> >> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
> >> >> >> >> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
> >> >> >> >> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
> >> >> >> > They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.
> >> >> >> Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Because that's how it was.
> >> >> > A bit like going into a bar and drinking differnt types of beer and one day you then start buying spirits.
> >> >> > Totally differnt way of drinking.
> >> >> So you're saying the last two re significantly different? I doubt it.
> >> >
> >> > Depends on features or what's been added. Then there's imporvements , and then bug fixes.
> >> I doubt there were two major changes recently, after nothing significant for 19 years.
> >
> > Added extra functionality but unless I bother to look I won;t know, I know there's something new in facetime .
> > but I don;t use it.
> So not really a major change. More like a marketing ploy.

On Friday, 25 March 2022 at 12:41:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0000, David (BD) <B...@nomale.afrayed.org> wrote:
>
> > On 25/03/2022 06:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > [....]
> >> Are macs still made without cooling fans, using convection only? If so
> >> how can they be as powerful as PCs?
> >
> > My iMacs do have fans.
> >
> > My wife's MacBook Air - with an M1 chip - does NOT have a/any fans.
> >
> > https://www.engadget.com/apple-macbook-air-m1-cpu-182724460.html
> >
> > It feels solid and dependable - superb engineering in aluminium, not
> > plastic.
> You throw away money on that engineering.

No, I was skyping a friend in australia, trouble was I couldn't hear him as I could hear was his laptop fan going full blast.
Some crappy plastic fan in a plastic case doesn;t really work. Now Apple use well engineered metal fans (not the pound shop ones)
with metal heatsinks and well enginnered air control so you harldy hear them.
The only time I really hear mine are when I export 4K video.

> I prefer all the money to go to the electronics. 8 cores ROTFPMSL! The best computers are around 64 cores.

Like the new make studio M1 Ultra with 20-core CPU, 64-core GPU and 32-core Neural Engine.

Even the basic macbook air has 8 cores.

In article <op.1jk6v1zqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> You throw away money on that engineering. I prefer all the money to go to
> the electronics. 8 cores ROTFPMSL! The best computers are around 64 cores.

the mac studio ultra has 100 cores so it must be better than the best.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:54:05 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 17:51:40 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:47:09 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 14:46:53 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:51:42 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 12:58:41 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:40:22 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail..com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:33:42 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:22:18 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 17:06:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:57 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > whereas OS9 to OS X was major change like going from DOS to Window, but even greater
>> >> >> >> >> > as it was a complete system re-write not just a fancy GUI.
>> >> >> >> >> And somehow 11 and 12 appeared in 2 years, after 19 years of no major changes?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > what do you mean by major change? cars haven't changed much since in the last 100 years have they ?
>> >> >> >> > They still have a wheel in each corner and another used as steering.
>> >> >> >> Apple decided the last two were significant, yet the 19 years of work before that achieved nothing significant.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Because that's how it was.
>> >> >> > A bit like going into a bar and drinking differnt types of beer and one day you then start buying spirits.
>> >> >> > Totally differnt way of drinking.
>> >> >> So you're saying the last two re significantly different? I doubt it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Depends on features or what's been added. Then there's imporvements , and then bug fixes.
>> >> I doubt there were two major changes recently, after nothing significant for 19 years.
>> >
>> > Added extra functionality but unless I bother to look I won;t know, I know there's something new in facetime .
>> > but I don;t use it.
>> So not really a major change. More like a marketing ploy.
>
> A bit like windows since windows 3.1 , what has changed ?

Windows 3 is nothing like Windows 11.

>> > Something new for macOS Monterey is the introduction of AirPlay to the Mac. When the update arrives, you'll be able to stream and share content from your iPhone, iPad or other Mac directly onto the screen of an iMac or MacBook. Not only that, but the Mac can act as an AirPlay speaker, meaning you can stream songs to it from your other Apple devices. You could use this feature to create multi-room audio for a party, for example.
>> Err..... we've had that for ages on Windows PCs.
>
> Don;t think so streaming and copying is differnt.

I can make the screen of an Android phone or Windows PC appear on a TV or Windows PC. The sound and video is casted as a live stream over wifi. This was invented ages ago.

>> Any Android phone can show it's display or one app onto a PC or TV. Great for showing a video you recorded to several people. It's called casting.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Their effect was generall indicated by the number just like anything else that uses numbers.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > What is windows 10 got to do with Mac OS X (10), Mac OS X came out long before windows 10.
>> >> >> >> >> >> It shows MS hasn't actually used a whole version number, they're just keeping up with Apple on the box.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > What box ,
>> >> >> >> >> The cardboard box, I was meaning the number people see when they buy it.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Not sure when the last 'box' for apple OS , last one I have is snow leopard, about 10 years ago.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Are windows still shipping their OS's in boxes with DVDs inside.
>> >> >> >> It's a figure of speech you silly old fart.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Hwo comes windows was such an erratci number pattern W3.0, 3.1 , 3.5 NT4 Wxp, W2000 W millenium
>> >> >> >> >> >> > W2003 then windows vista then windows 7,8, what happens to 9 then windows 10 trying to keep up with Mac OS 10
>> >> >> >> >> >> The sales team couldn't make up their mind whether words, years, or version numbers sell best.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > So what happened to windows 9, Windows went from 7 to 8 then 8.1 then 10 and now 11 shortly to be windows 365 next
>> >> >> >> >> > which will be even more confusing.
>> >> >> >> >> If you say 9 in English, it sounds like "no" to a German. They didn't want a Windows no.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > People didn't think that about Mac OS 9
>> >> >> >> Germans aren't stupid enough to use an Apple Os.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So why worry about whate germans think ?
>> >> >
>> >> >> They didn't, which is why Apple used 9 and MS didn't. Actually most Germans use Linux. At least every German I worked with did.
>> >> >
>> >> > Seems it's easy to find out.
>> >> > Microsoft skipped Windows 9 to avoid confusion with Windows 95 and Windows 98. Specifically, there was existing code, written by third parties (i.e. not modifiable by Microsoft) that detected old windows versions by checking if the version name began with the character '9'.
>> >> Apparently that's a myth.
>> >
>> > Not from what I've heard , remmber the millennium bug didn't affect Macs as their date code could go past the year 1999
>> > a lot of PCs couldn't well those running windows.
>> >
>> > Seems like the same oddity makes more sense than MS and what Germans might think
>> There was no millennium bug. It was bullshit that loads of companies paid other companies to come check.
>
> Until they wrote the software, my LCD watch got the 'bug' although calling it a bug was misleading.

You managed to break a watch?! We had PCs made 10 years before the millennium and they didn't break.

>> >> > Guess windows users have difficult with version numbers like which os best windows 9 windows 95 or windows 98
>> >> > the higher number or the lower number ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Apple doesn't have this problem
>> >> Didn't the X confuse them?
>> >
>> > Anything will confuse an american but most knew X is 10 in roman numerals and others assumed the X was for uniX
>> > and others that it meant 10 because after their previous OSs went from 1 to 9 then there's 10, unless you're a windows user
>> > which means the next number go 3.0 3.5, W XP, millennium or was it windows Me , NT3.5, Windows 2003 , NT4 Vista, windows 7 windows 8 then windows 10 Windows .
>> Yeah Windows Marketing isn't it's strongpoint.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > If your windows 11 reports it'self as being windows 10.0.22000.556 , that's not Apples problem.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I've used all since Tiger! :-)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why did you take that long to upgrade to 10?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Think my first usable was Puma although didn't start liking it until Jaguar,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> They all look the same to me.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > No suprise there , but windows from XP onwards has always loooked like a crappy verion of Macs OS's to me.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > even since windows 3.1
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Word came out first on the Mac with WYSISYG , so MS tried to copy Mac interface, icons and usability but mostly failed.
>> >> >> >> >> >> It vastly improved it. We had a taskbar long before you.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > A taskbar is quite minor though and while you may have had a taskbar, Mac OS you could just go to the finder icon top right click and go down to any applicationt hat was currently open this came out in the late 1980s or maybe ealier .
>> >> >> >> >> The taskbar is the best thing since sliced toast. You can always see what apps are running and easily switch between them.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > You could do that with a Mac long before from the finder icon, you could even see how much memory they were using,
>> >> >> >> > task bar can;t do that. Here's system 6 from 1988.
>> >> >> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
>> >> >> >> Where does that say anything about which apps are running?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > it shows how much memory the system is taken then the finder and if there was an app running
>> >> >> > it would show up.
>> >> >> The task bar is for what's running, the task manager is for what you're talking about.
>> >> >
>> >> > why have the 2 seperate .
>> >> Because the taskbar is used everyday, it's like the dock, you use it to see what's running and to switch between things. The taskbar is only for troubleshooting.
>> >
>> > you could click on the mac task bar and select which app was in the forground it was the quickest way to do that.
>> > Simial;r to what yuo can do in windows today and Mac today but this was back in 1988.
>> Windows had it first. Your dock wasn't there until OS X.
>
> The 'task bar' was though just in a differnt place and not called atask bar but refered to as an aplication switcher
> which is what it did, because yuo coould switch between application that were running and all before windows 3 came out.