On 11/11/21 1:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 11:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 10:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I found it unfathomable that someone with her medical qualifications
>>> could make such an astounding comment as saying she would not
>>> recommend AstraZenica for anyone under 50 because she didn't want to
>>> be responsible for anyone's death from taking it. It was an
>>> absolutely fucking *bizarre* comment for anyone in her position to
>>> make, and as a reward for such utter incompetence she's been made
>>> Governor of the State of Queensland.
>>>
>>> Grouse :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Weird. She had access to the same data that I did. And I'm not a
>> medical professional. Despite that, I was well aware that the chances
>> of developing blod clots with a COVID-19 infection are about 10 times
>> higher than with an A-Z vaccine. And the chances of blood clots is
>> VERY low with A-Z anyway. It was a stupid comment on her part.
>
> It would have been a stupid comment on anyone's part, but coming from
> someone who at the time was acting as a State Chief Health Officer it
> was utterly *bizarre*, and did absolutely *nothing* other than play
> right into the hands of every anti-vaxxing moron in the country.
>
> Making her Governor is just an insult on top of it all. She should have
> been dismissed on the spot and banned from ever holding any official
> government position ever again.
>
Lucky that the powers that be managed to see *your limitations* and
prevented you from ever qualifying for an apprenticeship, eh Darren?

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/11/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 11:41 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 9:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I found it unfathomable that someone with her medical qualifications
>>> could make such an astounding comment as saying she would not
>>> recommend AstraZenica for anyone under 50 because she didn't want to
>>> be responsible for anyone's death from taking it. It was an
>>> absolutely fucking *bizarre* comment for anyone in her position to
>>> make, and as a reward for such utter incompetence she's been made
>>> Governor of the State of Queensland.
>>>
>>> Grouse :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> She takes risk aversion to a stratospheric level, similar to McGowan
>> (sp?) who won't open WA until 90% double vax because 200 people *MAY*
>> die if they open with any less.
>
> It's interesting to note that as well as both states lagging behind the
> rest of the country by some considerable margin, both QLD and WA have
> Labor in office :)
>
>
Darren the blinkered. Looked at your own state government lately Darren?

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/11/21 1:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 12:51 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 11:04 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>>> When people start dying from Covid-19 in QLD hospitals, they'll
>>> change their minds. Well, some of them will. The rest are Darwin fodder.
>>
>> That's the thing, people in Vic and NSW got vaxed because they were
>> shitting themselves about the high rate of COVID in their community,
>> in QLD and WA there is little or no COVID so many are relaxed about
>> it. Personally I got vaxed as soon as it was available, and am getting
>> a booster next month.
>
> Same here.
>
> I tend to agree with your comments, but I'd add that the tough
> restrictions applied down here in Vic also added to the sense of
> vaccination urgency, with people just wanting to do whatever was
> necessary to put all this behind us and try to get back to normal.
>
>
The tough restrictions in Victoria were applied because you clowns
didn't practice Covid Safe behaviour. Rest assured, we up here in the
Mid North of NSW did practice Covid Safe behaviour and we only had one
very brief period of lockdown - 4 weeks IIRC, and even that wasn't as
strict as that applied in Sydney and environs.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/11/2021 12:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 11:41 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 9:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I found it unfathomable that someone with her medical qualifications
>>> could make such an astounding comment as saying she would not
>>> recommend AstraZenica for anyone under 50 because she didn't want to
>>> be responsible for anyone's death from taking it. It was an
>>> absolutely fucking *bizarre* comment for anyone in her position to
>>> make, and as a reward for such utter incompetence she's been made
>>> Governor of the State of Queensland.
>>>
>>> Grouse :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> She takes risk aversion to a stratospheric level, similar to McGowan
>> (sp?) who won't open WA until 90% double vax because 200 people *MAY*
>> die if they open with any less.
>
> It's interesting to note that as well as both states lagging behind the
> rest of the country by some considerable margin, both QLD and WA have
> Labor in office :)
>
>
So is Victoria - go figure.

On 10/11/2021 11:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 10/11/2021 1:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 10/11/2021 1:51 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> I was speaking to my cousin, who moved from NSW to Qld two years
>>> ago. The topic of vaccination arose. He calls himself 'vaccine
>>> hesitant'. I call it: anti-vax. He reckons that he needs to do "more
>>> research" before he gets the jab. Fuck me. He's 72 years old! Then
>>> earlier today, I spoke with a client in Rockhampton. He's not vaxxed
>>> either. Sheesh!
>>>
>>> I explained the following to both:
>>>
>>> * The Qld health system is fucked. The hospitals won't cope with an
>>> influx of COVID-19 patients.
>>>
>>> * When we Southerners (particularly schoolies) invade Qld late this
>>> year/early next year, the epidemic will be uncontrollable. The
>>> hospitals will be clogged with COVID-19 patients and regular
>>> patients won't get much of a look-in. Same as happened in Vic and NSW.
>>>
>>> * Queensland is sitting at around 68% and that figure doesn't look
>>> like getting much higher.
>>>
>>> You'd reckon those clowns up North would learn from we Southerners.
>>> Apparently not.
>>>
>>> Fucking idiots.
>>
>> They certainly do things differently up North, that's for sure :)
>>
>> There is a big "anti vax" push at the moment in Victoria, with a
>> bunch of people taking a class action against the Victorian
>> government. The objection isn't about the vaccine itself, but the
>> enforceement of Covid "Passports" and the requirement of people to be
>> fully vaccinated in order to work in certain fields, or to even enter
>> a department store. In fact, there was a protest march going on in
>> the city on Saturday afternoon, and I got caught up in it when towing
>> my mother's poor old Hyundai Getz back here for repairs after some
>> fuckwit pulled out of a carpark without looking and side swiped it.
>>
>> As far as the double vax workplace requirements go I'm in two minds
>> about it. On the one hand I respect people's rights to decide what
>> they do or don't want to put into their bodies, but on the other I'm
>> also mindful of the fact that we're not talking about something that
>> *only* affects them, and there are already plenty of existing
>> workplace requirements that people don't object to (such as aged care
>> workers being required to have regular flu shots for example).
>>
>> As for people being "unsure" about the vaccines as in your brother's
>> case I think they couldn't be any more retarded if they want to be
>> and are just trying to come up with whatever bullshit excuse they can
>> to mask the fact that they're anti vax. There isn't a period in human
>> history where such a large percentage of the medical research
>> community has dedicated so much effort into a common cause, and with
>> the vaccines being in such widespread use even over such a relatively
>> short time we have learned all we're ever going to learn about them.
>>
>> Yes, there can be side effects, and yes those side effects can be
>> dangerous. *No* drug is risk free, but there are many other drugs
>> that are nowhere near as life changing as these vaccines are that
>> have far greater potential for damaging side effects and the average
>> punter either doesn't know or if they do they don't care because they
>> consider those risks to be minimal at best.
>>
>> People are idiots.
>>
> Had a "Discussion" with an anti-vaxer today, he reckoned
>
> 1) The vaccine doesn't protect you from anything
> 2) The danger of the virus is way overblown
> 3) Hardly anybody has died of it, the 5 million are just normal deaths

so a real noddy then  :)

>
> He reckoned that he had "Researched" it but it all depends on where
> you do your research, you'll likely get a different result from
> www.peer_reviewed_scientific_tests.com than
> www.conspiracy_theories_r_us.com.
>

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/11/2021 12:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 11:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 10:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I found it unfathomable that someone with her medical qualifications
>>> could make such an astounding comment as saying she would not
>>> recommend AstraZenica for anyone under 50 because she didn't want to
>>> be responsible for anyone's death from taking it. It was an
>>> absolutely fucking *bizarre* comment for anyone in her position to
>>> make, and as a reward for such utter incompetence she's been made
>>> Governor of the State of Queensland.
>>>
>>> Grouse :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Weird. She had access to the same data that I did. And I'm not a
>> medical professional. Despite that, I was well aware that the chances
>> of developing blod clots with a COVID-19 infection are about 10 times
>> higher than with an A-Z vaccine. And the chances of blood clots is
>> VERY low with A-Z anyway. It was a stupid comment on her part.
>
> It would have been a stupid comment on anyone's part, but coming from
> someone who at the time was acting as a State Chief Health Officer it
> was utterly *bizarre*, and did absolutely *nothing* other than play
> right into the hands of every anti-vaxxing moron in the country.
>
> Making her Governor is just an insult on top of it all. She should have
> been dismissed on the spot and banned from ever holding any official
> government position ever again.

It puts here into a quiet spot where she can do no harm, and it saves
face all round.

On 11/11/2021 9:31 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 9:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 10/11/21 8:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 8:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 7:52 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Haven't been any lockdown stuff-ups or Ruby Princess debacles up
>>>>> here Trev.
>>>>
>>>> **I don't have a lot of nice things to say about the Qld Premier,
>>>> but she is committed to keeping Queenslanders free of COVID.
>>>
>>> Actually it would be more accurate to suggest that she's committed to
>>> keeping the short-comings of the QLD Health System out of the media
>>> by way of desperately limiting the chances of a covid spread.
>>
>> Very likely spot on and I even wonder if trying to keep it out is the
>> right thing?
>> It will hit Qld sooner or later so is it better to be sooner and get
>> it over with?
>
> I don't think they have any choice to be honest. Their health department
> is under budgetary duress, and they don't have the facilities to deal
> with a large number of ICU patients, or the money to afford cater to it.
>
>
>> NSW has got it pretty much sorted and Vic is past the peak and case
>> numbers on the way down so there is light at the end of the tunnel, it
>> would be a miracle if Qld and other states avoid another wave of Covid
>> so IMHO best to get it over with.
>
> We're not out of the woods yet, but we are certainly moving in the right
> direction.
>
> QLD's biggest problem is their unbelievably slow vaccination rollout.
> Whether that's a result of a complacent population or the State
> Government's inability to provide an adequate delivery service (or
> perhaps both) they are a *long* way behind the rest of the country with
> a double dose figure of 67.8% (as of yesterday)

There was nothing really wrong with the delivery services, but, in the
early stages at least, Victoria and NSW were prioritised with vaccine
doses due to their higher number of cases.

On 11/11/2021 3:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 9:31 am, Noddy wrote:

>> QLD's biggest problem is their unbelievably slow vaccination rollout.
>> Whether that's a result of a complacent population or the State
>> Government's inability to provide an adequate delivery service (or
>> perhaps both) they are a *long* way behind the rest of the country
>> with a double dose figure of 67.8% (as of yesterday)
>
> There was nothing really wrong with the delivery services, but, in the
> early stages at least, Victoria and NSW were prioritised with vaccine
> doses due to their higher number of cases.

In the very early stages, yes. But that condition hasn't existed for
some time, and the urgent push for the general populace to be fully
vaccinated came well after that scenario has passed.

At the end of the day both QLD and WA have geographical peculiarities to
overcome which NSW and particularly Victoria aren't anywhere near as
affected by, but the fact remains that the rollout in both QLD and WA
has been slow and way slower than you can attribute to the "head start"
that the Southern states were given.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 11/11/2021 2:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 12:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 11:18 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>> **Weird. She had access to the same data that I did. And I'm not a
>>> medical professional. Despite that, I was well aware that the chances
>>> of developing blod clots with a COVID-19 infection are about 10 times
>>> higher than with an A-Z vaccine. And the chances of blood clots is
>>> VERY low with A-Z anyway. It was a stupid comment on her part.
>>
>> It would have been a stupid comment on anyone's part, but coming from
>> someone who at the time was acting as a State Chief Health Officer it
>> was utterly *bizarre*, and did absolutely *nothing* other than play
>> right into the hands of every anti-vaxxing moron in the country.
>>
>> Making her Governor is just an insult on top of it all. She should
>> have been dismissed on the spot and banned from ever holding any
>> official government position ever again.
>
> It puts here into a quiet spot where she can do no harm, and it saves
> face all round.

Putting her on the Dole would have achieved precisely the same thing.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 11/11/2021 2:51 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 12:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 11:41 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2021 9:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> I found it unfathomable that someone with her medical qualifications
>>>> could make such an astounding comment as saying she would not
>>>> recommend AstraZenica for anyone under 50 because she didn't want to
>>>> be responsible for anyone's death from taking it. It was an
>>>> absolutely fucking *bizarre* comment for anyone in her position to
>>>> make, and as a reward for such utter incompetence she's been made
>>>> Governor of the State of Queensland.
>>>>
>>>> Grouse :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> She takes risk aversion to a stratospheric level, similar to McGowan
>>> (sp?) who won't open WA until 90% double vax because 200 people *MAY*
>>> die if they open with any less.
>>
>> It's interesting to note that as well as both states lagging behind
>> the rest of the country by some considerable margin, both QLD and WA
>> have Labor in office :)
>>
>>
> So is Victoria - go figure.

Yep. Fuck ups by the truckload, as the IBAC investigations currently
underway in VIC will no doubt uncover.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 11/11/2021 1:17 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/11/21 10:31 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 9:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 10/11/21 8:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 8:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/2021 7:52 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't been any lockdown stuff-ups or Ruby Princess debacles up
>>>>>> here Trev.
>>>>>
>>>>> **I don't have a lot of nice things to say about the Qld Premier,
>>>>> but she is committed to keeping Queenslanders free of COVID.
>>>>
>>>> Actually it would be more accurate to suggest that she's committed
>>>> to keeping the short-comings of the QLD Health System out of the
>>>> media by way of desperately limiting the chances of a covid spread.
>>>
>>> Very likely spot on and I even wonder if trying to keep it out is
>>> the right thing?
>>> It will hit Qld sooner or later so is it better to be sooner and get
>>> it over with?
>>
>> I don't think they have any choice to be honest. Their health
>> department is under budgetary duress, and they don't have the
>> facilities to deal with a large number of ICU patients, or the money
>> to afford cater to it.
>>
> You need to take an *unblinkered* view of the Victorian Health System.
> How about a recent case where it took 000 eight and a half minutes to
> *answer* a call.

eight minutes? try 30 minutes!

https://www.9news.com.au/national/ambulances-to-be-driven-soldiers-as-dying-victorians-wait-for-triplezero-calls-to-be-answered/29a58f9d-fd55-4bd6-9f26-d1c3a4706fd1

and fatality after six hours for an ambulance to arrive
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-woman-dies-waiting-more-than-six-hours-for-ambulance-20210423-p57lvj.html

> Do not ever lay shit on the health systems of other states unless you
> can adequately assess the adequacies of the health system in your own
> state. My impression of the Vic health system is of a disastrous
> avalanche slowly gaining momentum, an avalanche that began when Jeff
> Kennett gutted the state's health and education systems.
>
> When I moved to country NSW, I expected the health system here to be
> in a similar parlous state to that which *currently* exists in
> Victoria. I was wrong. When I had my heart attack in February, I was
> in theatre being operated on within the half hour. Had I been in
> Melbourne, I would have been lucky to have passed through triage in a
> couple of hours, and who knows how long I'd have had to wait to be
> operated on.
> Thanks to the NSW health system, and to your utter chagrin Darren, I'm
> still here to haunt you. And haunt you I will.
>>
>>> NSW has got it pretty much sorted and Vic is past the peak and case
>>> numbers on the way down so there is light at the end of the tunnel,
>>> it would be a miracle if Qld and other states avoid another wave of
>>> Covid so IMHO best to get it over with.
>>
>> We're not out of the woods yet, but we are certainly moving in the
>> right direction.
>
> The right direction to Hell is where the Vic Health System is going.
>>
>> QLD's biggest problem is their unbelievably slow vaccination rollout.
>
> That relates to the anti vax message, not the ability of the Qld
> health system.
>
>> Whether that's a result of a complacent population or the State
>> Government's inability to provide an adequate delivery service (or
>> perhaps both) they are a *long* way behind the rest of the country
>> with a double dose figure of 67.8% (as of yesterday)
>
> Neither of your options are correct. Your cognition sucks! I have seen
> *here* that the best way to combat the anti-vax message is to have a
> bit of an outbreak. Amazing how, when that happens, heaps of the
> anti-vaxers *get the message* and start crowding the vaccination
> centres. People up here have, in the main, been doing a good job
> keeping Covid safe. We had an infected tradie blow-in from Sydney on a
> job here and the *only* people he infected were the two who travelled
> back to Sydney with him in his ute. After that scare, there were long
> lines at testing centres and you had to book in for vaccinations.
> Totally changed public perceptions of the virus up here. The Qld
> Government was, in my opinion, way too successful in keeping the virus
> out of Qld so the people *didn't get the message* and became
> complacent. During that time, the anti-vaxer message became stronger.
> That, more than any other factor, is why the Vax rates in Qld are low.
>>
>> Well, almost all of the country. Western Australia is doing slightly
>> worse than QLD, but you can kinda understand that. WA is *so* far
>> behind the rest of the country that the HQ Holden is due for release
>> there in January :)
>
> In your dreams Darren.
>
>

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/11/2021 10:52 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/11/21 8:13 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 1:05 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 7:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 8:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/2021 7:52 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't been any lockdown stuff-ups or Ruby Princess debacles up
>>>>>> here Trev.
>>>>>
>>>>> **I don't have a lot of nice things to say about the Qld Premier,
>>>>> but she is committed to keeping Queenslanders free of COVID.
>>>>
>>>> Actually it would be more accurate to suggest that she's committed
>>>> to keeping the short-comings of the QLD Health System out of the
>>>> media by way of desperately limiting the chances of a covid spread.
>>>>
>>>> It's also worth noting that for someone who is *so* hell bent on
>>>> "doing the right thing by Queenslanders", she employs the most
>>>> retarded fucking dingbat of a Cheif Health Officer in the country.
>>>
>>> Keep with the times Noddy, she's now the governor! Jobs for the
>>> girls. Her original intended replacement as CHO quit before taking up
>>> the post.
>>
>> In this day and age who's *want* the job?
>>
>>> The whole hard border situation is difficult for everyone. Especially
>>> those of us who have family in Victoria and NSW.
>>
>> Yeah, and it's not been much better down here. Border restrictions
>> have only just eased, but there have been Victorians who haven't been
>> able to get home for months. It's been utterly ridiculous.
>>
>>> I'm on holidays at the moment and have to apply for a pass to go
>>> home. I hope like hell where I am doesn't get a covid case in the
>>> next few days. Here's a hint https://imgur.com/a/19zkaVr
>>
>> Nice.
>>
>>> I have a friend stuck in Victoria waiting for notification of when
>>> she can return home and quarantine, and has been for several weeks,
>>> after an emergency trip to look after her sick mother. She's
>>> vaccinated as well. They are running about 8 to 12 weeks behind in
>>> getting people home.
>>
>> The inconsistencies within the "rules" are ridiculous.
>>
>> There was a story on the news a couple of nights ago about an ex-pat
>
> That would be "expat" Darren. Short form of the word, "expatriate*.
> Please do not hyphenate the word Darren, it just shows your ignorance.
>

Maybe his name used to be pat...

On 11/11/2021 10:13 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 11:41 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 9:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I found it unfathomable that someone with her medical qualifications
>>> could make such an astounding comment as saying she would not
>>> recommend AstraZenica for anyone under 50 because she didn't want to
>>> be responsible for anyone's death from taking it. It was an
>>> absolutely fucking *bizarre* comment for anyone in her position to
>>> make, and as a reward for such utter incompetence she's been made
>>> Governor of the State of Queensland.
>>>
>>> Grouse :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> She takes risk aversion to a stratospheric level, similar to McGowan
>> (sp?) who won't open WA until 90% double vax because 200 people *MAY*
>> die if they open with any less.
>
> It's interesting to note that as well as both states lagging behind the
> rest of the country by some considerable margin, both QLD and WA have
> Labor in office :)
>
>

Victoria : 101,000 cases 1209 deaths

WA : 1112 cases 9 deaths
No local transmission.

QLD : 2105 cases 7 deaths

I know which Labor government I'd rather be living under you stupendous
dumbarse!

On 11/11/2021 1:53 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 10/11/2021 11:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 10/11/2021 1:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 1:51 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was speaking to my cousin, who moved from NSW to Qld two years
>>>> ago. The topic of vaccination arose. He calls himself 'vaccine
>>>> hesitant'. I call it: anti-vax. He reckons that he needs to do "more
>>>> research" before he gets the jab. Fuck me. He's 72 years old! Then
>>>> earlier today, I spoke with a client in Rockhampton. He's not vaxxed
>>>> either. Sheesh!
>>>>
>>>> I explained the following to both:
>>>>
>>>> * The Qld health system is fucked. The hospitals won't cope with an
>>>> influx of COVID-19 patients.
>>>>
>>>> * When we Southerners (particularly schoolies) invade Qld late this
>>>> year/early next year, the epidemic will be uncontrollable. The
>>>> hospitals will be clogged with COVID-19 patients and regular
>>>> patients won't get much of a look-in. Same as happened in Vic and NSW.
>>>>
>>>> * Queensland is sitting at around 68% and that figure doesn't look
>>>> like getting much higher.
>>>>
>>>> You'd reckon those clowns up North would learn from we Southerners.
>>>> Apparently not.
>>>>
>>>> Fucking idiots.
>>>
>>> They certainly do things differently up North, that's for sure :)
>>>
>>> There is a big "anti vax" push at the moment in Victoria, with a
>>> bunch of people taking a class action against the Victorian
>>> government. The objection isn't about the vaccine itself, but the
>>> enforceement of Covid "Passports" and the requirement of people to be
>>> fully vaccinated in order to work in certain fields, or to even enter
>>> a department store. In fact, there was a protest march going on in
>>> the city on Saturday afternoon, and I got caught up in it when towing
>>> my mother's poor old Hyundai Getz back here for repairs after some
>>> fuckwit pulled out of a carpark without looking and side swiped it.
>>>
>>> As far as the double vax workplace requirements go I'm in two minds
>>> about it. On the one hand I respect people's rights to decide what
>>> they do or don't want to put into their bodies, but on the other I'm
>>> also mindful of the fact that we're not talking about something that
>>> *only* affects them, and there are already plenty of existing
>>> workplace requirements that people don't object to (such as aged care
>>> workers being required to have regular flu shots for example).
>>>
>>> As for people being "unsure" about the vaccines as in your brother's
>>> case I think they couldn't be any more retarded if they want to be
>>> and are just trying to come up with whatever bullshit excuse they can
>>> to mask the fact that they're anti vax. There isn't a period in human
>>> history where such a large percentage of the medical research
>>> community has dedicated so much effort into a common cause, and with
>>> the vaccines being in such widespread use even over such a relatively
>>> short time we have learned all we're ever going to learn about them.
>>>
>>> Yes, there can be side effects, and yes those side effects can be
>>> dangerous. *No* drug is risk free, but there are many other drugs
>>> that are nowhere near as life changing as these vaccines are that
>>> have far greater potential for damaging side effects and the average
>>> punter either doesn't know or if they do they don't care because they
>>> consider those risks to be minimal at best.
>>>
>>> People are idiots.
>>>
>> Had a "Discussion" with an anti-vaxer today, he reckoned
>>
>> 1) The vaccine doesn't protect you from anything
>> 2) The danger of the virus is way overblown
>> 3) Hardly anybody has died of it, the 5 million are just normal deaths
>
>
> so a real noddy then  :)

Pavlov was right, the bell rings and the dog slathers.

On 11/10/2021 11:20 PM, Clocky wrote:
> On 10/11/2021 5:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 10/11/2021 8:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 7:52 pm, alvey wrote:
>>
>>>> Haven't been any lockdown stuff-ups or Ruby Princess debacles up
>>>> here Trev.
>>>
>>> **I don't have a lot of nice things to say about the Qld Premier,
>>> but she is committed to keeping Queenslanders free of COVID.
>>
>> Actually it would be more accurate to suggest that she's committed to
>> keeping the short-comings of the QLD Health System out of the media
>> by way of desperately limiting the chances of a covid spread.
>>
>> It's also worth noting that for someone who is *so* hell bent on
>> "doing the right thing by Queenslanders", she employs the most
>> retarded fucking dingbat of a Cheif Health Officer in the country.
>>
>>
>
> Could be worse and employ someone who can't spell "commission" or
> "chief" for instance...

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 Could be a *really* dense idiot....A *mechanic* that thinks?
windscreen lamination is on the *outside*of the glass. Hmmmmmm??/.

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On 11/11/21 6:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 1:53 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 10/11/2021 11:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 1:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 1:51 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was speaking to my cousin, who moved from NSW to Qld two years
>>>>> ago. The topic of vaccination arose. He calls himself 'vaccine
>>>>> hesitant'. I call it: anti-vax. He reckons that he needs to do
>>>>> "more research" before he gets the jab. Fuck me. He's 72 years old!
>>>>> Then earlier today, I spoke with a client in Rockhampton. He's not
>>>>> vaxxed either. Sheesh!
>>>>>
>>>>> I explained the following to both:
>>>>>
>>>>> * The Qld health system is fucked. The hospitals won't cope with an
>>>>> influx of COVID-19 patients.
>>>>>
>>>>> * When we Southerners (particularly schoolies) invade Qld late this
>>>>> year/early next year, the epidemic will be uncontrollable. The
>>>>> hospitals will be clogged with COVID-19 patients and regular
>>>>> patients won't get much of a look-in. Same as happened in Vic and NSW.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Queensland is sitting at around 68% and that figure doesn't look
>>>>> like getting much higher.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd reckon those clowns up North would learn from we Southerners.
>>>>> Apparently not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fucking idiots.
>>>>
>>>> They certainly do things differently up North, that's for sure :)
>>>>
>>>> There is a big "anti vax" push at the moment in Victoria, with a
>>>> bunch of people taking a class action against the Victorian
>>>> government. The objection isn't about the vaccine itself, but the
>>>> enforceement of Covid "Passports" and the requirement of people to
>>>> be fully vaccinated in order to work in certain fields, or to even
>>>> enter a department store. In fact, there was a protest march going
>>>> on in the city on Saturday afternoon, and I got caught up in it when
>>>> towing my mother's poor old Hyundai Getz back here for repairs after
>>>> some fuckwit pulled out of a carpark without looking and side swiped
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> As far as the double vax workplace requirements go I'm in two minds
>>>> about it. On the one hand I respect people's rights to decide what
>>>> they do or don't want to put into their bodies, but on the other I'm
>>>> also mindful of the fact that we're not talking about something that
>>>> *only* affects them, and there are already plenty of existing
>>>> workplace requirements that people don't object to (such as aged
>>>> care workers being required to have regular flu shots for example).
>>>>
>>>> As for people being "unsure" about the vaccines as in your brother's
>>>> case I think they couldn't be any more retarded if they want to be
>>>> and are just trying to come up with whatever bullshit excuse they
>>>> can to mask the fact that they're anti vax. There isn't a period in
>>>> human history where such a large percentage of the medical research
>>>> community has dedicated so much effort into a common cause, and with
>>>> the vaccines being in such widespread use even over such a
>>>> relatively short time we have learned all we're ever going to learn
>>>> about them.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, there can be side effects, and yes those side effects can be
>>>> dangerous. *No* drug is risk free, but there are many other drugs
>>>> that are nowhere near as life changing as these vaccines are that
>>>> have far greater potential for damaging side effects and the average
>>>> punter either doesn't know or if they do they don't care because
>>>> they consider those risks to be minimal at best.
>>>>
>>>> People are idiots.
>>>>
>>> Had a "Discussion" with an anti-vaxer today, he reckoned
>>>
>>> 1) The vaccine doesn't protect you from anything
>>> 2) The danger of the virus is way overblown
>>> 3) Hardly anybody has died of it, the 5 million are just normal deaths
>>
>>
>> so a real noddy then  :)
>
> Pavlov was right, the bell rings and the dog slathers.
>
You did respond, so yeah, operant conditioning is definitely a thing.

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On 11/11/2021 11:41 AM, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 9:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 8:27 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 8:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> It's also worth noting that for someone who is *so* hell bent on
>>>> "doing the right thing by Queenslanders", she employs the most
>>>> retarded fucking dingbat of a Cheif Health Officer in the country.
>>>
>>> **That too. NSW and Victoria had far more talented people in that role.
>>
>> Indeed they did.
>>
>> I found it unfathomable that someone with her medical qualifications
>> could make such an astounding comment as saying she would not
>> recommend AstraZenica for anyone under 50 because she didn't want to
>> be responsible for anyone's death from taking it. It was an
>> absolutely fucking *bizarre* comment for anyone in her position to
>> make, and as a reward for such utter incompetence she's been made
>> Governor of the State of Queensland.
>>
>> Grouse :)
>>
>>
>>
> She takes risk aversion to a stratospheric level, similar to McGowan
> (sp?) who won't open WA until 90% double vax because 200 people *MAY*
> die if they open with any less.

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  WA has always had secession on the back burner..........

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On 11/11/21 5:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 2:51 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 12:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2021 11:41 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/2021 9:17 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I found it unfathomable that someone with her medical
>>>>> qualifications could make such an astounding comment as saying she
>>>>> would not recommend AstraZenica for anyone under 50 because she
>>>>> didn't want to be responsible for anyone's death from taking it. It
>>>>> was an absolutely fucking *bizarre* comment for anyone in her
>>>>> position to make, and as a reward for such utter incompetence she's
>>>>> been made Governor of the State of Queensland.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grouse :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> She takes risk aversion to a stratospheric level, similar to McGowan
>>>> (sp?) who won't open WA until 90% double vax because 200 people
>>>> *MAY* die if they open with any less.
>>>
>>> It's interesting to note that as well as both states lagging behind
>>> the rest of the country by some considerable margin, both QLD and WA
>>> have Labor in office :)
>>>
>>>
>> So is Victoria - go figure.
>
> Yep. Fuck ups by the truckload, as the IBAC investigations currently
> underway in VIC will no doubt uncover.
>
Hopefully Dan's Teflon non stick coating will fail and they will stick
him with something.

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 06:58:47 +1000, alvey posted:-

> > Absolutely. Voting for Anna Pale of Shit confirms that.
>
> Well she's easily outlasted Gladys Becauseican...

Pale of Shit uglier, looks like a maggot has bashed her up.

On 11/11/21 10:31 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 9:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 10/11/21 8:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 8:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 7:52 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Haven't been any lockdown stuff-ups or Ruby Princess debacles up
>>>>> here Trev.
>>>>
>>>> **I don't have a lot of nice things to say about the Qld Premier,
>>>> but she is committed to keeping Queenslanders free of COVID.
>>>
>>> Actually it would be more accurate to suggest that she's committed to
>>> keeping the short-comings of the QLD Health System out of the media
>>> by way of desperately limiting the chances of a covid spread.
>>
>> Very likely spot on and I even wonder if trying to keep it out is the
>> right thing?
>> It will hit Qld sooner or later so is it better to be sooner and get
>> it over with?
>
> I don't think they have any choice to be honest. Their health department
> is under budgetary duress, and they don't have the facilities to deal
> with a large number of ICU patients, or the money to afford cater to it.
>
>
>> NSW has got it pretty much sorted and Vic is past the peak and case
>> numbers on the way down so there is light at the end of the tunnel, it
>> would be a miracle if Qld and other states avoid another wave of Covid
>> so IMHO best to get it over with.
>
> We're not out of the woods yet, but we are certainly moving in the right
> direction.
>
> QLD's biggest problem is their unbelievably slow vaccination rollout.
> Whether that's a result of a complacent population or the State
> Government's inability to provide an adequate delivery service (or
> perhaps both) they are a *long* way behind the rest of the country with
> a double dose figure of 67.8% (as of yesterday)

Could be that because they have had low case numbers people are
complacent, same sort of thing happened in NSW and Vic till teh numbers
started going up then there was a rush to get vaccinated.

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On 11/11/2021 3:04 PM, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 9:31 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 9:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 10/11/21 8:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 8:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/2021 7:52 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't been any lockdown stuff-ups or Ruby Princess debacles up
>>>>>> here Trev.
>>>>>
>>>>> **I don't have a lot of nice things to say about the Qld Premier,
>>>>> but she is committed to keeping Queenslanders free of COVID.
>>>>
>>>> Actually it would be more accurate to suggest that she's committed
>>>> to keeping the short-comings of the QLD Health System out of the
>>>> media by way of desperately limiting the chances of a covid spread.
>>>
>>> Very likely spot on and I even wonder if trying to keep it out is
>>> the right thing?
>>> It will hit Qld sooner or later so is it better to be sooner and get
>>> it over with?
>>
>> I don't think they have any choice to be honest. Their health
>> department is under budgetary duress, and they don't have the
>> facilities to deal with a large number of ICU patients, or the money
>> to afford cater to it.
>>
>>
>>> NSW has got it pretty much sorted and Vic is past the peak and case
>>> numbers on the way down so there is light at the end of the tunnel,
>>> it would be a miracle if Qld and other states avoid another wave of
>>> Covid so IMHO best to get it over with.
>>
>> We're not out of the woods yet, but we are certainly moving in the
>> right direction.
>>
>> QLD's biggest problem is their unbelievably slow vaccination rollout.
>> Whether that's a result of a complacent population or the State
>> Government's inability to provide an adequate delivery service (or
>> perhaps both) they are a *long* way behind the rest of the country
>> with a double dose figure of 67.8% (as of yesterday)
>
> There was nothing really wrong with the delivery services, but, in the
> early stages at least, Victoria and NSW were prioritised with vaccine
> doses due to their higher number of cases.

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 Because they are the countries biggest (most populous) states.

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On 11/11/21 12:51 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 11:04 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 10-Nov-21 1:51 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> I was speaking to my cousin, who moved from NSW to Qld two years ago.
>>> The topic of vaccination arose. He calls himself 'vaccine hesitant'.
>>> I call it: anti-vax. He reckons that he needs to do "more research"
>>> before he gets the jab. Fuck me. He's 72 years old! Then earlier
>>> today, I spoke with a client in Rockhampton. He's not vaxxed either.
>>> Sheesh!
>>>
>>> I explained the following to both:
>>>
>>> * The Qld health system is fucked. The hospitals won't cope with an
>>> influx of COVID-19 patients.
>>>
>>> * When we Southerners (particularly schoolies) invade Qld late this
>>> year/early next year, the epidemic will be uncontrollable. The
>>> hospitals will be clogged with COVID-19 patients and regular patients
>>> won't get much of a look-in. Same as happened in Vic and NSW.
>>>
>>> * Queensland is sitting at around 68% and that figure doesn't look
>>> like getting much higher.
>>>
>>> You'd reckon those clowns up North would learn from we Southerners.
>>> Apparently not.
>>>
>>> Fucking idiots.
>>
>> When people start dying from Covid-19 in QLD hospitals, they'll change
>> their minds. Well, some of them will. The rest are Darwin fodder.
>
> That's the thing, people in Vic and NSW got vaxed because they were
> shitting themselves about the high rate of COVID in their community, in
> QLD and WA there is little or no COVID so many are relaxed about it.

That is certainly part of the reason, when the numbers went up rapidly
in Vic and NSW the vaccination rate went up dramatically.

> Personally I got vaxed as soon as it was available, and am getting a
> booster next month.

Isn't the booster supposed to be 6mths after your second dose?

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On 11/11/21 7:23 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 11/11/21 12:51 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/11/2021 11:04 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 10-Nov-21 1:51 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was speaking to my cousin, who moved from NSW to Qld two years
>>>> ago. The topic of vaccination arose. He calls himself 'vaccine
>>>> hesitant'. I call it: anti-vax. He reckons that he needs to do "more
>>>> research" before he gets the jab. Fuck me. He's 72 years old! Then
>>>> earlier today, I spoke with a client in Rockhampton. He's not vaxxed
>>>> either. Sheesh!
>>>>
>>>> I explained the following to both:
>>>>
>>>> * The Qld health system is fucked. The hospitals won't cope with an
>>>> influx of COVID-19 patients.
>>>>
>>>> * When we Southerners (particularly schoolies) invade Qld late this
>>>> year/early next year, the epidemic will be uncontrollable. The
>>>> hospitals will be clogged with COVID-19 patients and regular
>>>> patients won't get much of a look-in. Same as happened in Vic and NSW.
>>>>
>>>> * Queensland is sitting at around 68% and that figure doesn't look
>>>> like getting much higher.
>>>>
>>>> You'd reckon those clowns up North would learn from we Southerners.
>>>> Apparently not.
>>>>
>>>> Fucking idiots.
>>>
>>> When people start dying from Covid-19 in QLD hospitals, they'll
>>> change their minds. Well, some of them will. The rest are Darwin fodder.
>>
>> That's the thing, people in Vic and NSW got vaxed because they were
>> shitting themselves about the high rate of COVID in their community,
>> in QLD and WA there is little or no COVID so many are relaxed about it.
>
> That is certainly part of the reason, when the numbers went up rapidly
> in Vic and NSW the vaccination rate went up dramatically.
>
>> Personally I got vaxed as soon as it was available, and am getting a
>> booster next month.
>
> Isn't the booster supposed to be 6mths after your second dose?
>
Duh Daryl, if you had your first and second jabs *early*, you would be
coming up for the booster *now*. Didn't Keith just state he had his jabs
early?

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 08:15:21 -0000, Mountain Magpie wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 06:58:47 +1000, alvey posted:-
>
>>> Absolutely. Voting for Anna Pale of Shit confirms that.
>>
>> Well she's easily outlasted Gladys Becauseican...
>
> Pale of Shit uglier, looks like a maggot has bashed her up.

Nice.

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On 11/11/21 7:37 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 08:15:21 -0000, Mountain Magpie wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 06:58:47 +1000, alvey posted:-
>>
>>>> Absolutely. Voting for Anna Pale of Shit confirms that.
>>>
>>> Well she's easily outlasted Gladys Becauseican...
>>
>> Pale of Shit uglier, looks like a maggot has bashed her up.
>
> Nice.
>
Actually Anna was a bit of a hot chick when she was at Uni.

https://www.fireworksgallery.com.au/sites/default/files/FW16020_MA-Photo20_lores_900.jpg

She is now in her 50s and gravity is taking its toll, but I wouldn't
call her ugly by any stretch of the imagination, even now.

Can't say the same for Gladys, then or now. What's more, Gladys proved
she was a "desperate" when Maguire was able to easily manipulate her.

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