On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 13/11/2021 12:30 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 13/11/2021 10:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 7:40 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 11:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/2021 8:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 6:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 2:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/11/21 4:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 1:53 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2021 9:23 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He's disturbed, there is no question about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  More than likely he`s *laughing* at the performance.... :)))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually what I'm laughing at is the West Australian retard who
>>>>>>>>> felt compelled to scream at the top of his lungs that he could
>>>>>>>>> have fixed my distributor problem better than anyone else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did no such thing. Again that's *your* lie and whatever else
>>>>>>> you heaped that false premise is just white noise that's not
>>>>>>> worth reading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You still didn't explain how a dead zener exploded the capacitor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I did
>>>>
>>>> Actually you didn't, you put up a pathetic fantasy that in no way
>>>> explains the evidence in the photos.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The failure is typical you idiot.
>>>
>>> All you see this at is an opportunity to bignote yourself as you
>>> typically attempt to do after the horse has bolted. You said "Knowing
>>> nothing about MSD distributors other than those 3 pictures, you may
>>> well be right."
>>>
>>> You're right... you know nothing and you proved it!
>>
>> Don't like being called into question do you boy? You tend to go right
>> off your head. You do tend to have a superiority complex,
>
> Actually no Keith... *you* have the superiority complex.

You have a problem with having a very fragile ego. If anybody dares to
disagree with your view, then you go off your rocker.

> You admit to not knowing nothing until someone else does, then you
> become the instant expert.

"Instant expert"? Having spent over 50 years in the subject that you
claim to be expert in, hardly "Instant".

> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!

I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
expert would disagree with that. With your qualifications and
experience, you might be able to get an entry level job driving round in
a van full of parts to replace the items that somebody like me told you to.

On 16/11/2021 9:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:

>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>
> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
> expert would disagree with that. With your qualifications and
> experience, you might be able to get an entry level job driving round in
> a van full of parts to replace the items that somebody like me told you to.

Hahahaha :)

Have to take my hat off to you here. That was one of the best "arse
handings" we've seen around here in some time :)

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On 13/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5 years,
>>> and which is why the only reason I have this distributor is because
>>> it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>
>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>
>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to see
>> the whole circuit.
>
> Photos as requested:
>
>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQK
>
>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQJ
>
>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQH
>
>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQI
>
> The wiring layout is red to coil+/Ign, black to ground, and orange
> (which looks brown in these pics and is the single burnt wire off on
> it's own) to coil neg. The grey wire at the "RPM" point is the tach
> signal. The "P" and "R" markings in pink are the locations where the
> original magnetic pickup wires were connected, which are now running off
> out of the distributor to the HEI ignition module I'm using to handle
> the ignition firing.
>
> Rather than just use the Coil neg to drive the tacho, these units have a
> specific tach signal wire on these boards as they have a built in rev
> limiter and the tach signal wire is used to program it. Programming is
> achieved by holding the engine at half the desired rpm where you wish
> the limiter to cut in, and then ground the tach signal wire for one
> second. From that point on if you were successful when the ignition is
> turned on the tach needle would do a pre start sweep up to the desired
> rpm limit.
>
> I never used the rev limiter so I couldn't tell you how well (if at all)
> it worked, and now that I'm using a separate stand-alone ignition module
> my tacho is driven by the coil neg.

Well that's about it for clockys "Theory" about a failing zener
overheating it's "Load resistor" (not a term used in professional
electronics). There is only one place that the resistor found in the
bottom of the dizzy could have come from and that is R22. R22 as can be
seen in one of the original pictures is connected between pin 3 of the
MOSFET and ground nowhere near any zeners or the power supply input.
R23, which is in parallel, also has been very hot because it has burned
through the insulation of the orange wire.

We can now see the value of the exploded capacitor 0.01uF 630 volt. So
the capacitor appears to have been correctly specced, and capable of
handling the normal coil back emf. Either it was faulty or it has been
hit with a *lot* of volts. That is reason to suspect a problem with the
coil, a flashover from the secondary winding would do it and it seems to
be a not exactly unknown fault..

I could go into an analysis of the circuit, but most of the action goes
on in the IC which can't be identified from the pictures, and the
marking may even have been removed by the manufacturer anyway (quite a
common practice unfortunately). Anyway most here wouldn't understand it,
and no doubt clocky would try and argue, If he wants to prove his
electronic expertise, then he can give a detailed analysis.

Clocky seems to have fallen into the trap of having seen some report of
zener failure and assumed that it must be the case here, I've seen this
from lazy people in the industry who can't be bothered to check into the
problem properly and just assume some common fault. I've often had to
clean up the mess that they have left.

On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:51:36 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:

>
>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>
> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary...

So what went wrong keith? Now you live in the backblocks and have a couple
of old Mazdas. Expensive divorce? An addiction? Bad investments? Or was the
"six figure salary" in some hyper-inflated currency?

alvey

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On 16/11/2021 6:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 13/11/2021 12:30 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 10:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2021 7:40 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/2021 11:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 8:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 6:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 2:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/21 4:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 1:53 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2021 9:23 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He's disturbed, there is no question about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  More than likely he`s *laughing* at the performance.... :)))
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually what I'm laughing at is the West Australian retard
>>>>>>>>>> who felt compelled to scream at the top of his lungs that he
>>>>>>>>>> could have fixed my distributor problem better than anyone else
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did no such thing. Again that's *your* lie and whatever else
>>>>>>>> you heaped that false premise is just white noise that's not
>>>>>>>> worth reading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You still didn't explain how a dead zener exploded the capacitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I did
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually you didn't, you put up a pathetic fantasy that in no way
>>>>> explains the evidence in the photos.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The failure is typical you idiot.
>>>>
>>>> All you see this at is an opportunity to bignote yourself as you
>>>> typically attempt to do after the horse has bolted. You said
>>>> "Knowing nothing about MSD distributors other than those 3 pictures,
>>>> you may well be right."
>>>>
>>>> You're right... you know nothing and you proved it!
>>>
>>> Don't like being called into question do you boy? You tend to go
>>> right off your head. You do tend to have a superiority complex,
>>
>> Actually no Keith... *you* have the superiority complex.
>
> You have a problem with having a very fragile ego. If anybody dares to
> disagree with your view, then you go off your rocker.
>
>> You admit to not knowing nothing until someone else does, then you
>> become the instant expert.
>
> "Instant expert"? Having spent over 50 years in the subject that you
> claim to be expert in, hardly "Instant".
>
>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>
> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
> expert would disagree with that.

They wouldn't now.

What did you get paid in? Rupees?

On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:06:33 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 16/11/2021 9:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>
>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
>> expert would disagree with that. With your qualifications and
>> experience, you might be able to get an entry level job driving round in
>> a van full of parts to replace the items that somebody like me told you to.
>
> Hahahaha :)
>
> Have to take my hat off to you here. That was one of the best "arse
> handings" we've seen around here in some time :)

lol.

Poor old Fraudster. Always banging on about others being insecure yet uses
way more collective pronouns than everyone else combined. Buffoon.

alvey
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On 16/11/21 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 9:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>
>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
>> expert would disagree with that. With your qualifications and
>> experience, you might be able to get an entry level job driving round
>> in a van full of parts to replace the items that somebody like me told
>> you to.
>
> Hahahaha :)
>
> Have to take my hat off to you here. That was one of the best "arse
> handings" we've seen around here in some time :)
>
Nah, proving you were a liar with regard to your manifold claims of
trade qualifications and business ownership, now *that's* a real arse
handing. It's why you *ran away* and now *can't* provide *any proof*
whatsoever of your self aggrandising claims.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/11/21 11:08 am, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:06:33 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 16/11/2021 9:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>>
>>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
>>> expert would disagree with that. With your qualifications and
>>> experience, you might be able to get an entry level job driving round in
>>> a van full of parts to replace the items that somebody like me told you to.
>>
>> Hahahaha :)
>>
>> Have to take my hat off to you here. That was one of the best "arse
>> handings" we've seen around here in some time :)
>
> lol.
>
> Poor old Fraudster. Always banging on about others being insecure yet uses
> way more collective pronouns than everyone else combined. Buffoon.
>
All Darren has left is coat tailing.
>
> alvey
> Welcome to Bumhole
> Try our silverbeet!
>

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On 16/11/2021 8:12 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/11/21 11:08 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:06:33 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/11/2021 9:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>>>
>>>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
>>>> expert would disagree with that. With your qualifications and
>>>> experience, you might be able to get an entry level job driving
>>>> round in
>>>> a van full of parts to replace the items that somebody like me told
>>>> you to.
>>>
>>> Hahahaha :)
>>>
>>> Have to take my hat off to you here. That was one of the best "arse
>>> handings" we've seen around here in some time :)
>>
>> lol.
>>
>> Poor old Fraudster. Always banging on about others being insecure yet
>> uses
>> way more collective pronouns than everyone else combined. Buffoon.
>>
> All Darren has left is coat tailing.
>>
>> alvey
>> Welcome to Bumhole
>> Try our silverbeet!
>>
>
>

Indeed, and coat-tailing poor ol' paradox Keith who refuses to answer a
simple question yet goes from clueless to pretending to be an expert -
but only after the fact - trying to pedestal himself as the greatest not
to be outdone.

Then Derro, completely clueless, chimes in - not realising Keith is
bullshitting him and he's fallen for it.

This is comedy gold!

On 16/11/2021 10:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 13/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5 years,
>>>> and which is why the only reason I have this distributor is because
>>>> it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>>
>>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>>
>>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to see
>>> the whole circuit.
>>
>> Photos as requested:
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQK
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQJ
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQH
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQI
>>
>> The wiring layout is red to coil+/Ign, black to ground, and orange
>> (which looks brown in these pics and is the single burnt wire off on
>> it's own) to coil neg. The grey wire at the "RPM" point is the tach
>> signal. The "P" and "R" markings in pink are the locations where the
>> original magnetic pickup wires were connected, which are now running
>> off out of the distributor to the HEI ignition module I'm using to
>> handle the ignition firing.
>>
>> Rather than just use the Coil neg to drive the tacho, these units have
>> a specific tach signal wire on these boards as they have a built in
>> rev limiter and the tach signal wire is used to program it.
>> Programming is achieved by holding the engine at half the desired rpm
>> where you wish the limiter to cut in, and then ground the tach signal
>> wire for one second. From that point on if you were successful when
>> the ignition is turned on the tach needle would do a pre start sweep
>> up to the desired rpm limit.
>>
>> I never used the rev limiter so I couldn't tell you how well (if at
>> all) it worked, and now that I'm using a separate stand-alone ignition
>> module my tacho is driven by the coil neg.
>
> Well that's about it for clockys "Theory" about a failing zener
> overheating it's "Load resistor" (not a term used in professional
> electronics).

Well, yeah, but to be honest that was a safe bet from the get-go :)

> There is only one place that the resistor found in the
> bottom of the dizzy could have come from and that is R22. R22 as can be
> seen in one of the original pictures is connected between pin 3 of the
> MOSFET and ground nowhere near any zeners or the power supply input.
> R23, which is in parallel, also has been very hot because it has burned
> through the insulation of the orange wire.

Indeed it did.

> We can now see the value of the exploded capacitor 0.01uF 630 volt. So
> the capacitor appears to have been correctly specced, and capable of
> handling the normal coil back emf. Either it was faulty or it has been
> hit with a *lot* of volts. That is reason to suspect a problem with the
> coil, a flashover from the secondary winding would do it and it seems to
> be a not exactly unknown fault..

No, but as I said earlier the coil tested okay and has been functioning
perfectly fine ever since.

> I could go into an analysis of the circuit, but most of the action goes
> on in the IC which can't be identified from the pictures, and the
> marking may even have been removed by the manufacturer anyway (quite a
> common practice unfortunately). Anyway most here wouldn't understand it,
> and no doubt clocky would try and argue, If he wants to prove his
> electronic expertise, then he can give a detailed analysis.

Like I've said previously, don't hold your breath. His standard practice
in situations like these when he realises that the situation has gone
*way* beyond the range of his limited knowledge and he finds himself
completely out of his depth is to turn into Mr Agro and play the man
rather than the ball.

You watch.... :)

> Clocky seems to have fallen into the trap of having seen some report of
> zener failure and assumed that it must be the case here, I've seen this
> from lazy people in the industry who can't be bothered to check into the
> problem properly and just assume some common fault. I've often had to
> clean up the mess that they have left.

No doubt you have.

Jerky's "problem", such as it is, is that he has a perpetual need to
show that he knows more about anything than anyone else, and in
situations like this where he *clearly* does not he educates himself to
a *very* limited degree by Googling what he can in the time he has
available than then trying to bluff his way through the rest of the
thread by passing whatever he learned off as his own personal knowledge
while using agro and bluster to fill in the gaps.

Like he has already been doing thus far.

This is not accidental. He does it on purpose because he needs to show
everyone that he's better than anyone else and we've already seen him
mouthing off about how much better he could fix this problem better than
me or anyone else around here. In fact, I'd take a sizeable bet that his
solution to this problem would be to replace the failed components and
return the distributor to it's original state while bragging about how
well he did it.

And if he *did* do that then he would be a bigger fucking *idiot* than
even I can give him credit for being, and you can go to the bank on me
thinking he's a moron :)

The reason why that would be the worst thing you could do is *not*
because it would be a difficult process worth bragging about. You can
buy the damaged components from RS Components online or even pick them
up at any Jaycar store, and the board itself is basic enough that Stevie
Wonder could just about remove and replace the components with a
plumber's soldering iron. The actual repair itself would not be even
remotely difficult. Why it would be stupid to do that is because all
you'd be doing is returning it back to the original shitty design in the
first place. The very one where he claimed in a reply to you was a poor
design that caused the problem to begin with, and the very one where if
you returned it to that state you'd just be waiting for it to fail again.

And again, and again, and again.

Wasn't it Einstein who said stupidity was defined by doing the same
thing over and over and expecting a different result each time? :)

The proper way to repair this cunt of a thing was to do what I did with
it, which was to modify it so the poor design and cheap-arsed components
are removed from the equation and can never cause an issue ever again.
The bonus is that now that the ignition firing is handled by a remotely
mounted HEI module it will no doubt be *far* more reliable given that
HEI chips have been used for decades and have proven their worth, but
the extra added bonus in this case is if the chip ever dies they can be
obtained for 30 bucks and being mounted remotely it's a 10 minute job to
change it. The distributor no longer has to be removed from the engine
and completely dismantled to get to the faulty components.

Win win, and this is the difference in problem solving approach methods
between a bloke who has a shit-tonne of hands on experience and a desk
jockey who *thinks* he does.

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On 16/11/21 12:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 10:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 13/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5
>>>>> years, and which is why the only reason I have this distributor is
>>>>> because it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>>>
>>>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to see
>>>> the whole circuit.
>>>
>>> Photos as requested:
>>>
>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQK
>>>
>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQJ
>>>
>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQH
>>>
>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQI
>>>
>>> The wiring layout is red to coil+/Ign, black to ground, and orange
>>> (which looks brown in these pics and is the single burnt wire off on
>>> it's own) to coil neg. The grey wire at the "RPM" point is the tach
>>> signal. The "P" and "R" markings in pink are the locations where the
>>> original magnetic pickup wires were connected, which are now running
>>> off out of the distributor to the HEI ignition module I'm using to
>>> handle the ignition firing.
>>>
>>> Rather than just use the Coil neg to drive the tacho, these units
>>> have a specific tach signal wire on these boards as they have a built
>>> in rev limiter and the tach signal wire is used to program it.
>>> Programming is achieved by holding the engine at half the desired rpm
>>> where you wish the limiter to cut in, and then ground the tach signal
>>> wire for one second. From that point on if you were successful when
>>> the ignition is turned on the tach needle would do a pre start sweep
>>> up to the desired rpm limit.
>>>
>>> I never used the rev limiter so I couldn't tell you how well (if at
>>> all) it worked, and now that I'm using a separate stand-alone
>>> ignition module my tacho is driven by the coil neg.
>>
>> Well that's about it for clockys "Theory" about a failing zener
>> overheating it's "Load resistor" (not a term used in professional
>> electronics).
>
> Well, yeah, but to be honest that was a safe bet from the get-go :)
>
>> There is only one place that the resistor found in the bottom of the
>> dizzy could have come from and that is R22. R22 as can be seen in one
>> of the original pictures is connected between pin 3 of the MOSFET and
>> ground nowhere near any zeners or the power supply input. R23, which
>> is in parallel, also has been very hot because it has burned through
>> the insulation of the orange wire.
>
> Indeed it did.
>
>> We can now see the value of the exploded capacitor 0.01uF 630 volt. So
>> the capacitor appears to have been correctly specced, and capable of
>> handling the normal coil back emf. Either it was faulty or it has been
>> hit with a *lot* of volts. That is reason to suspect a problem with
>> the coil, a flashover from the secondary winding would do it and it
>> seems to be a not exactly unknown fault..
>
> No, but as I said earlier the coil tested okay and has been functioning
> perfectly fine ever since.
>
>> I could go into an analysis of the circuit, but most of the action
>> goes on in the IC which can't be identified from the pictures, and the
>> marking may even have been removed by the manufacturer anyway (quite a
>> common practice unfortunately). Anyway most here wouldn't understand
>> it, and no doubt clocky would try and argue, If he wants to prove his
>> electronic expertise, then he can give a detailed analysis.
>
> Like I've said previously, don't hold your breath. His standard practice
> in situations like these when he realises that the situation has gone
> *way* beyond the range of his limited knowledge and he finds himself
> completely out of his depth is to turn into Mr Agro and play the man
> rather than the ball.
>
> You watch.... :)

I did watch *you* and, yes, you do it every time. Of course, you then
*run away* and hide behind your killfail. Every single time.
>
>> Clocky seems to have fallen into the trap of having seen some report
>> of zener failure and assumed that it must be the case here, I've seen
>> this from lazy people in the industry who can't be bothered to check
>> into the problem properly and just assume some common fault. I've
>> often had to clean up the mess that they have left.
>
> No doubt you have.
>
> Jerky's "problem", such as it is, is that he has a perpetual need to
> show that he knows more about anything than anyone else, and in

Nah, that's you and your narcissism at work.

> situations like this where he *clearly* does not he educates himself to
> a *very* limited degree by Googling what he can in the time he has
> available than then trying to bluff his way through the rest of the
> thread by passing whatever he learned off as his own personal knowledge
> while using agro and bluster to fill in the gaps.
>
> Like he has already been doing thus far.
>
> This is not accidental. He does it on purpose because he needs to show
> everyone that he's better than anyone else and we've already seen him
> mouthing off about how much better he could fix this problem better than

Like you do when you falsely claim to have not one (1), not two (2), but
three (3) apprenticeships under your belt. Also, not one, but two (2)
trade qualifications. Also, just so you could lay claim to *relevance*
in an automotive forum, you claimed to be a motor mechanic *and* an auto
machinist. That's real narcissism for you! Such a pity I spent 20 years
at the college you would have attended if you actually had been
apprenticed in either of those trades. But you never were - you didn't
even meet the entry requirements so you could never have been signed up
for any apprenticeship ever.

> me or anyone else around here. In fact, I'd take a sizeable bet that his
> solution to this problem would be to replace the failed components and
> return the distributor to it's original state while bragging about how
> well he did it.
>
> And if he *did* do that then he would be a bigger fucking *idiot* than
> even I can give him credit for being, and you can go to the bank on me
> thinking he's a moron :)

I go to the bank thinking you're a moron and, happily, you keep on
proving you are - time after time after time!
>
> The reason why that would be the worst thing you could do is *not*
> because it would be a difficult process worth bragging about. You can
> buy the damaged components from RS Components online or even pick them
> up at any Jaycar store, and the board itself is basic enough that Stevie
> Wonder could just about remove and replace the components with a
> plumber's soldering iron. The actual repair itself would not be even
> remotely difficult. Why it would be stupid to do that is because all
> you'd be doing is returning it back to the original shitty design in the
> first place. The very one where he claimed in a reply to you was a poor
> design that caused the problem to begin with, and the very one where if
> you returned it to that state you'd just be waiting for it to fail again.
>
> And again, and again, and again.
>
> Wasn't it Einstein who said stupidity was defined by doing the same
> thing over and over and expecting a different result each time? :)

Yep, you continually claiming you're a multiple qualified tradesman fits
the bill there. You aren't, you never were, but you think people will
eventually believe you if you bullshit them long enough. Won't work Darren.
>
> The proper way to repair this cunt of a thing was to do what I did with
> it, which was to modify it so the poor design and cheap-arsed components
> are removed from the equation and can never cause an issue ever again.
> The bonus is that now that the ignition firing is handled by a remotely
> mounted HEI module it will no doubt be *far* more reliable given that
> HEI chips have been used for decades and have proven their worth, but
> the extra added bonus in this case is if the chip ever dies they can be
> obtained for 30 bucks and being mounted remotely it's a 10 minute job to
> change it. The distributor no longer has to be removed from the engine
> and completely dismantled to get to the faulty components.
>
> Win win, and this is the difference in problem solving approach methods
> between a bloke who has a shit-tonne of hands on experience and a desk
> jockey who *thinks* he does.

On 16/11/2021 7:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 13/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5 years,
>>>> and which is why the only reason I have this distributor is because
>>>> it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>>
>>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>>
>>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to see
>>> the whole circuit.
>>
>> Photos as requested:
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQK
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQJ
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQH
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQI
>>
>> The wiring layout is red to coil+/Ign, black to ground, and orange
>> (which looks brown in these pics and is the single burnt wire off on
>> it's own) to coil neg. The grey wire at the "RPM" point is the tach
>> signal. The "P" and "R" markings in pink are the locations where the
>> original magnetic pickup wires were connected, which are now running
>> off out of the distributor to the HEI ignition module I'm using to
>> handle the ignition firing.
>>
>> Rather than just use the Coil neg to drive the tacho, these units have
>> a specific tach signal wire on these boards as they have a built in
>> rev limiter and the tach signal wire is used to program it.
>> Programming is achieved by holding the engine at half the desired rpm
>> where you wish the limiter to cut in, and then ground the tach signal
>> wire for one second. From that point on if you were successful when
>> the ignition is turned on the tach needle would do a pre start sweep
>> up to the desired rpm limit.
>>
>> I never used the rev limiter so I couldn't tell you how well (if at
>> all) it worked, and now that I'm using a separate stand-alone ignition
>> module my tacho is driven by the coil neg.
>
> Well that's about it for clockys "Theory" about a failing zener
> overheating it's "Load resistor" (not a term used in professional
> electronics). There is only one place that the resistor found in the
> bottom of the dizzy could have come from and that is R22. R22 as can be
> seen in one of the original pictures is connected between pin 3 of the
> MOSFET and ground nowhere near any zeners or the power supply input.
> R23, which is in parallel, also has been very hot because it has burned
> through the insulation of the orange wire.
>
> We can now see the value of the exploded capacitor 0.01uF 630 volt. So
> the capacitor appears to have been correctly specced, and capable of
> handling the normal coil back emf. Either it was faulty or it has been
> hit with a *lot* of volts. That is reason to suspect a problem with the
> coil, a flashover from the secondary winding would do it and it seems to
> be a not exactly unknown fault..
>

Quite an assumption to make and that would be classified as *guesswork*.

> I could go into an analysis of the circuit, but most of the action goes
> on in the IC which can't be identified from the pictures, and the
> marking may even have been removed by the manufacturer anyway (quite a
> common practice unfortunately).

The IC isn't going to cause the capacitor to blow up either.

Anyway most here wouldn't understand it,
> and no doubt clocky would try and argue, If he wants to prove his
> electronic expertise, then he can give a detailed analysis.
>
> Clocky seems to have fallen into the trap of having seen some report of
> zener failure and assumed that it must be the case here,

Because it's a common fault with those, obviously I don't have the thing
or the latest photos in front of me. What is absolutely certain is that
*your* theories didn't stack up, that's for sure. I also alluded to
another potential cause which could explain it, one you seem to have
ignored... that the idiot did some welding on it without taking precautions.

That is known to blow the guts out of the distributors - including the
capacitor as I have already stated... and you know how he likes to weld.

On 13/11/2021 1:53 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 13/11/21 4:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5 years,
>>>> and which is why the only reason I have this distributor is because
>>>> it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>>
>>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>>
>>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to see
>>> the whole circuit.
>>
>> I will do. I'm outside playing panel beater at the moment, but I'll
>> post some pics when I get inside a bit later.
>>
> "Playing", you got that right! LOL
>
>

It's interesting to watch Keith proclaim himself king as he throws
baseless theories around... and clueless Derro lapping them right up.

On 16/11/2021 12:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 10:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 13/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5
>>>>> years, and which is why the only reason I have this distributor is
>>>>> because it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>>>
>>>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to
>>>> see the whole circuit.
>>>
>>> Photos as requested:
>>>
>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQK
>>>
>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQJ
>>>
>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQH
>>>
>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQI
>>>
>>> The wiring layout is red to coil+/Ign, black to ground, and orange
>>> (which looks brown in these pics and is the single burnt wire off on
>>> it's own) to coil neg. The grey wire at the "RPM" point is the tach
>>> signal. The "P" and "R" markings in pink are the locations where the
>>> original magnetic pickup wires were connected, which are now running
>>> off out of the distributor to the HEI ignition module I'm using to
>>> handle the ignition firing.
>>>
>>> Rather than just use the Coil neg to drive the tacho, these units
>>> have a specific tach signal wire on these boards as they have a
>>> built in rev limiter and the tach signal wire is used to program it.
>>> Programming is achieved by holding the engine at half the desired
>>> rpm where you wish the limiter to cut in, and then ground the tach
>>> signal wire for one second. From that point on if you were
>>> successful when the ignition is turned on the tach needle would do a
>>> pre start sweep up to the desired rpm limit.
>>>
>>> I never used the rev limiter so I couldn't tell you how well (if at
>>> all) it worked, and now that I'm using a separate stand-alone
>>> ignition module my tacho is driven by the coil neg.
>>
>> Well that's about it for clockys "Theory" about a failing zener
>> overheating it's "Load resistor" (not a term used in professional
>> electronics).
>
> Well, yeah, but to be honest that was a safe bet from the get-go :)
>
>> There is only one place that the resistor found in the bottom of the
>> dizzy could have come from and that is R22. R22 as can be seen in one
>> of the original pictures is connected between pin 3 of the MOSFET and
>> ground nowhere near any zeners or the power supply input. R23, which
>> is in parallel, also has been very hot because it has burned through
>> the insulation of the orange wire.
>
> Indeed it did.
>
>> We can now see the value of the exploded capacitor 0.01uF 630 volt.
>> So the capacitor appears to have been correctly specced, and capable
>> of handling the normal coil back emf. Either it was faulty or it has
>> been hit with a *lot* of volts. That is reason to suspect a problem
>> with the coil, a flashover from the secondary winding would do it and
>> it seems to be a not exactly unknown fault..
>
> No, but as I said earlier the coil tested okay and has been
> functioning perfectly fine ever since.
>
>> I could go into an analysis of the circuit, but most of the action
>> goes on in the IC which can't be identified from the pictures, and
>> the marking may even have been removed by the manufacturer anyway
>> (quite a common practice unfortunately). Anyway most here wouldn't
>> understand it, and no doubt clocky would try and argue, If he wants
>> to prove his electronic expertise, then he can give a detailed analysis.
>
> Like I've said previously, don't hold your breath. His standard
> practice in situations like these when he realises that the situation
> has gone *way* beyond the range of his limited knowledge and he finds
> himself completely out of his depth is to turn into Mr Agro and play
> the man rather than the ball.
>
> You watch.... :)
>
>> Clocky seems to have fallen into the trap of having seen some report
>> of zener failure and assumed that it must be the case here, I've seen
>> this from lazy people in the industry who can't be bothered to check
>> into the problem properly and just assume some common fault. I've
>> often had to clean up the mess that they have left.
>
> No doubt you have.
>
> Jerky's "problem", such as it is, is that he has a perpetual need to
> show that he knows more about anything than anyone else, and in
> situations like this where he *clearly* does not he educates himself
> to a *very* limited degree by Googling what he can in the time he has
> available than then trying to bluff his way through the rest of the
> thread by passing whatever he learned off as his own personal
> knowledge while using agro and bluster to fill in the gaps.
>
> Like he has already been doing thus far.
>
> This is not accidental. He does it on purpose because he needs to show
> everyone that he's better than anyone else and we've already seen him
> mouthing off about how much better he could fix this problem better
> than me or anyone else around here. In fact, I'd take a sizeable bet
> that his solution to this problem would be to replace the failed
> components and return the distributor to it's original state while
> bragging about how well he did it.
>
> And if he *did* do that then he would be a bigger fucking *idiot* than
> even I can give him credit for being, and you can go to the bank on me
> thinking he's a moron :)
>
> The reason why that would be the worst thing you could do is *not*
> because it would be a difficult process worth bragging about. You can
> buy the damaged components from RS Components online or even pick them
> up at any Jaycar store, and the board itself is basic enough that
> Stevie Wonder could just about remove and replace the components with
> a plumber's soldering iron. The actual repair itself would not be even
> remotely difficult. Why it would be stupid to do that is because all
> you'd be doing is returning it back to the original shitty design in
> the first place. The very one where he claimed in a reply to you was a
> poor design that caused the problem to begin with, and the very one
> where if you returned it to that state you'd just be waiting for it to
> fail again.
>
> And again, and again, and again.
>
> Wasn't it Einstein who said stupidity was defined by doing the same
> thing over and over and expecting a different result each time? :)
>
> The proper way to repair this cunt of a thing was to do what I did
> with it, which was to modify it so the poor design and cheap-arsed
> components are removed from the equation and can never cause an issue
> ever again. The bonus is that now that the ignition firing is handled
> by a remotely mounted HEI module it will no doubt be *far* more
> reliable given that HEI chips have been used for decades and have
> proven their worth, but the extra added bonus in this case is if the
> chip ever dies they can be obtained for 30 bucks and being mounted
> remotely it's a 10 minute job to change it. The distributor no longer
> has to be removed from the engine and completely dismantled to get to
> the faulty components.
>
> Win win, and this is the difference in problem solving approach
> methods between a bloke who has a shit-tonne of hands on experience
> and a desk jockey who *thinks* he does.
>
>

you have no right to criticise those in your kf because they have no
right of reply, so STFU you bogan dickhead

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 16/11/2021 3:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 13/11/2021 1:53 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 13/11/21 4:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5
>>>>> years, and which is why the only reason I have this distributor is
>>>>> because it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>>>
>>>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to see
>>>> the whole circuit.
>>>
>>> I will do. I'm outside playing panel beater at the moment, but I'll
>>> post some pics when I get inside a bit later.
>>>
>> "Playing", you got that right! LOL
>>
>>
>
>
> It's interesting to watch Keith proclaim himself king as he throws
> baseless theories around... and clueless Derro lapping them right up.
>
>
No cloggy I don't proclaim myself anything other than someone who knows
a lot more about electronics than you. Nothing baseless about my theory,
it holds a lot more water than your zener one.

On 16/11/2021 10:58 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 8:12 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/11/21 11:08 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:06:33 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16/11/2021 9:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
>>>>> expert would disagree with that. With your qualifications and
>>>>> experience, you might be able to get an entry level job driving
>>>>> round in
>>>>> a van full of parts to replace the items that somebody like me told
>>>>> you to.
>>>>
>>>> Hahahaha :)
>>>>
>>>> Have to take my hat off to you here. That was one of the best "arse
>>>> handings" we've seen around here in some time :)
>>>
>>> lol.
>>>
>>> Poor old Fraudster. Always banging on about others being insecure yet
>>> uses
>>> way more collective pronouns than everyone else combined. Buffoon.
>>>
>> All Darren has left is coat tailing.
>>>
>>> alvey
>>> Welcome to Bumhole
>>> Try our silverbeet!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Indeed, and coat-tailing poor ol' paradox Keith who refuses to answer a
> simple question yet goes from clueless to pretending to be an expert -
> but only after the fact - trying to pedestal himself as the greatest not
> to be outdone.
>
> Then Derro, completely clueless, chimes in - not realising Keith is
> bullshitting him and he's fallen for it.
>
> This is comedy gold!

Give it away clocky, you are just making yourself look more stuoid by
the day.

On 16/11/2021 9:15 am, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:51:36 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>
>>
>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>
>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary...
>
> So what went wrong keith? Now you live in the backblocks and have a couple
> of old Mazdas. Expensive divorce? An addiction? Bad investments? Or was the
> "six figure salary" in some hyper-inflated currency?
>
>
> alvey
>
It's called retirement, living a full and happy life after putting in a
lot of work over the years.

On 16/11/2021 9:54 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 6:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 12:30 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2021 10:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 13/11/2021 7:40 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 11:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 8:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 6:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 2:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/21 4:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 1:53 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2021 9:23 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He's disturbed, there is no question about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  More than likely he`s *laughing* at the performance.... :)))
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually what I'm laughing at is the West Australian retard
>>>>>>>>>>> who felt compelled to scream at the top of his lungs that he
>>>>>>>>>>> could have fixed my distributor problem better than anyone else
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did no such thing. Again that's *your* lie and whatever else
>>>>>>>>> you heaped that false premise is just white noise that's not
>>>>>>>>> worth reading.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You still didn't explain how a dead zener exploded the capacitor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I did
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually you didn't, you put up a pathetic fantasy that in no way
>>>>>> explains the evidence in the photos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The failure is typical you idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> All you see this at is an opportunity to bignote yourself as you
>>>>> typically attempt to do after the horse has bolted. You said
>>>>> "Knowing nothing about MSD distributors other than those 3
>>>>> pictures, you may well be right."
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right... you know nothing and you proved it!
>>>>
>>>> Don't like being called into question do you boy? You tend to go
>>>> right off your head. You do tend to have a superiority complex,
>>>
>>> Actually no Keith... *you* have the superiority complex.
>>
>> You have a problem with having a very fragile ego. If anybody dares to
>> disagree with your view, then you go off your rocker.
>>
>>> You admit to not knowing nothing until someone else does, then you
>>> become the instant expert.
>>
>> "Instant expert"? Having spent over 50 years in the subject that you
>> claim to be expert in, hardly "Instant".
>>
>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>
>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
>> expert would disagree with that.
>
>
> They wouldn't now.
>
> What did you get paid in? Rupees?

US Dollars, and an annual 3 week trip back to the US flying business
class, largely because I made them a lot of money.

On 16/11/2021 1:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 12:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 16/11/2021 10:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5
>>>>>> years, and which is why the only reason I have this distributor is
>>>>>> because it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to
>>>>> see the whole circuit.
>>>>
>>>> Photos as requested:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQK
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQJ
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQH
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQI
>>>>
>>>> The wiring layout is red to coil+/Ign, black to ground, and orange
>>>> (which looks brown in these pics and is the single burnt wire off on
>>>> it's own) to coil neg. The grey wire at the "RPM" point is the tach
>>>> signal. The "P" and "R" markings in pink are the locations where the
>>>> original magnetic pickup wires were connected, which are now running
>>>> off out of the distributor to the HEI ignition module I'm using to
>>>> handle the ignition firing.
>>>>
>>>> Rather than just use the Coil neg to drive the tacho, these units
>>>> have a specific tach signal wire on these boards as they have a
>>>> built in rev limiter and the tach signal wire is used to program it.
>>>> Programming is achieved by holding the engine at half the desired
>>>> rpm where you wish the limiter to cut in, and then ground the tach
>>>> signal wire for one second. From that point on if you were
>>>> successful when the ignition is turned on the tach needle would do a
>>>> pre start sweep up to the desired rpm limit.
>>>>
>>>> I never used the rev limiter so I couldn't tell you how well (if at
>>>> all) it worked, and now that I'm using a separate stand-alone
>>>> ignition module my tacho is driven by the coil neg.
>>>
>>> Well that's about it for clockys "Theory" about a failing zener
>>> overheating it's "Load resistor" (not a term used in professional
>>> electronics).
>>
>> Well, yeah, but to be honest that was a safe bet from the get-go :)
>>
>>> There is only one place that the resistor found in the bottom of the
>>> dizzy could have come from and that is R22. R22 as can be seen in one
>>> of the original pictures is connected between pin 3 of the MOSFET and
>>> ground nowhere near any zeners or the power supply input. R23, which
>>> is in parallel, also has been very hot because it has burned through
>>> the insulation of the orange wire.
>>
>> Indeed it did.
>>
>>> We can now see the value of the exploded capacitor 0.01uF 630 volt.
>>> So the capacitor appears to have been correctly specced, and capable
>>> of handling the normal coil back emf. Either it was faulty or it has
>>> been hit with a *lot* of volts. That is reason to suspect a problem
>>> with the coil, a flashover from the secondary winding would do it and
>>> it seems to be a not exactly unknown fault..
>>
>> No, but as I said earlier the coil tested okay and has been
>> functioning perfectly fine ever since.
>>
>>> I could go into an analysis of the circuit, but most of the action
>>> goes on in the IC which can't be identified from the pictures, and
>>> the marking may even have been removed by the manufacturer anyway
>>> (quite a common practice unfortunately). Anyway most here wouldn't
>>> understand it, and no doubt clocky would try and argue, If he wants
>>> to prove his electronic expertise, then he can give a detailed analysis.
>>
>> Like I've said previously, don't hold your breath. His standard
>> practice in situations like these when he realises that the situation
>> has gone *way* beyond the range of his limited knowledge and he finds
>> himself completely out of his depth is to turn into Mr Agro and play
>> the man rather than the ball.
>>
>> You watch.... :)
>>
>>> Clocky seems to have fallen into the trap of having seen some report
>>> of zener failure and assumed that it must be the case here, I've seen
>>> this from lazy people in the industry who can't be bothered to check
>>> into the problem properly and just assume some common fault. I've
>>> often had to clean up the mess that they have left.
>>
>> No doubt you have.
>>
>> Jerky's "problem", such as it is, is that he has a perpetual need to
>> show that he knows more about anything than anyone else, and in
>> situations like this where he *clearly* does not he educates himself
>> to a *very* limited degree by Googling what he can in the time he has
>> available than then trying to bluff his way through the rest of the
>> thread by passing whatever he learned off as his own personal
>> knowledge while using agro and bluster to fill in the gaps.
>>
>> Like he has already been doing thus far.
>>
>> This is not accidental. He does it on purpose because he needs to show
>> everyone that he's better than anyone else and we've already seen him
>> mouthing off about how much better he could fix this problem better
>> than me or anyone else around here. In fact, I'd take a sizeable bet
>> that his solution to this problem would be to replace the failed
>> components and return the distributor to it's original state while
>> bragging about how well he did it.
>>
>> And if he *did* do that then he would be a bigger fucking *idiot* than
>> even I can give him credit for being, and you can go to the bank on me
>> thinking he's a moron :)
>>
>> The reason why that would be the worst thing you could do is *not*
>> because it would be a difficult process worth bragging about. You can
>> buy the damaged components from RS Components online or even pick them
>> up at any Jaycar store, and the board itself is basic enough that
>> Stevie Wonder could just about remove and replace the components with
>> a plumber's soldering iron. The actual repair itself would not be even
>> remotely difficult. Why it would be stupid to do that is because all
>> you'd be doing is returning it back to the original shitty design in
>> the first place. The very one where he claimed in a reply to you was a
>> poor design that caused the problem to begin with, and the very one
>> where if you returned it to that state you'd just be waiting for it to
>> fail again.
>>
>> And again, and again, and again.
>>
>> Wasn't it Einstein who said stupidity was defined by doing the same
>> thing over and over and expecting a different result each time? :)
>>
>> The proper way to repair this cunt of a thing was to do what I did
>> with it, which was to modify it so the poor design and cheap-arsed
>> components are removed from the equation and can never cause an issue
>> ever again. The bonus is that now that the ignition firing is handled
>> by a remotely mounted HEI module it will no doubt be *far* more
>> reliable given that HEI chips have been used for decades and have
>> proven their worth, but the extra added bonus in this case is if the
>> chip ever dies they can be obtained for 30 bucks and being mounted
>> remotely it's a 10 minute job to change it. The distributor no longer
>> has to be removed from the engine and completely dismantled to get to
>> the faulty components.
>>
>> Win win, and this is the difference in problem solving approach
>> methods between a bloke who has a shit-tonne of hands on experience
>> and a desk jockey who *thinks* he does.
>>
>>
>
> you have no right to criticise those in your kf because they have no
> right of reply, so STFU you bogan dickhead
>
>

On 16/11/2021 9:54 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 6:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2021 12:30 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2021 10:08 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 13/11/2021 7:40 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 11:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 8:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 6:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 2:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/21 4:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2021 1:53 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2021 9:23 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He's disturbed, there is no question about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  More than likely he`s *laughing* at the performance.... :)))
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually what I'm laughing at is the West Australian retard
>>>>>>>>>>> who felt compelled to scream at the top of his lungs that he
>>>>>>>>>>> could have fixed my distributor problem better than anyone else
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did no such thing. Again that's *your* lie and whatever else
>>>>>>>>> you heaped that false premise is just white noise that's not
>>>>>>>>> worth reading.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You still didn't explain how a dead zener exploded the capacitor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I did
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually you didn't, you put up a pathetic fantasy that in no way
>>>>>> explains the evidence in the photos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The failure is typical you idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> All you see this at is an opportunity to bignote yourself as you
>>>>> typically attempt to do after the horse has bolted. You said
>>>>> "Knowing nothing about MSD distributors other than those 3
>>>>> pictures, you may well be right."
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right... you know nothing and you proved it!
>>>>
>>>> Don't like being called into question do you boy? You tend to go
>>>> right off your head. You do tend to have a superiority complex,
>>>
>>> Actually no Keith... *you* have the superiority complex.
>>
>> You have a problem with having a very fragile ego. If anybody dares to
>> disagree with your view, then you go off your rocker.
>>
>>> You admit to not knowing nothing until someone else does, then you
>>> become the instant expert.
>>
>> "Instant expert"? Having spent over 50 years in the subject that you
>> claim to be expert in, hardly "Instant".
>>
>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>
>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary to be an
>> expert would disagree with that.
>
>
> They wouldn't now.

ROTFL of course not I've been out of the companys development too long,
but they kept me on to my middle 70s, long after they purged all the
other old farts, even then they made attempts to keep me as a part time
contractor.

> What did you get paid in? Rupees?
>
>
>

On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 16:28:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 16/11/2021 9:15 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:51:36 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>>
>>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary...
>>
>> So what went wrong keith? Now you live in the backblocks and have a couple
>> of old Mazdas. Expensive divorce? An addiction? Bad investments? Or was the
>> "six figure salary" in some hyper-inflated currency?
>>
>> alvey
>>
> It's called retirement, living a full and happy life after putting in a
> lot of work over the years.

Well answered keith. So well answered in fact that I'll leave you to it.

alvey

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On 16/11/2021 5:29 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 16:28:06 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 16/11/2021 9:15 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:51:36 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/11/2021 10:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The only person who is convinced of your superiority is you!
>>>>
>>>> I think that the employers who paid me a six figure salary...
>>>
>>> So what went wrong keith? Now you live in the backblocks and have a couple
>>> of old Mazdas. Expensive divorce? An addiction? Bad investments? Or was the
>>> "six figure salary" in some hyper-inflated currency?
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>> It's called retirement, living a full and happy life after putting in a
>> lot of work over the years.
>
> Well answered keith. So well answered in fact that I'll leave you to it.

Your graciousness exceeds even your intelligence.

On 16/11/2021 5:26 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 10:58 am, Clocky wrote:

>> Then Derro, completely clueless, chimes in - not realising Keith is
>> bullshitting him and he's fallen for it.
>>
>> This is comedy gold!
>
> Give it away clocky, you are just making yourself look more stuoid by
> the day.

He's got his work cut out for him in trying to do that, as ol'
Windscreen boy exceeded the maximum capacity for looking stupid quite
some time ago.

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On 11/16/2021 5:32 PM, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 1:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 16/11/2021 12:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2021 10:13 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 13/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 13/11/2021 3:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/11/2021 1:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is *very* typical of anything made by MSD in the last 5
>>>>>>> years, and which is why the only reason I have this distributor
>>>>>>> is because it came with the vehicle when I bought it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Their stuff is unreliable cheap shit junk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please put up a picture of the entire board, I'd like to
>>>>>> see the whole circuit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos as requested:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQK
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQJ
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQH
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME4WWQI
>>>>>
>>>>> The wiring layout is red to coil+/Ign, black to ground, and orange
>>>>> (which looks brown in these pics and is the single burnt wire off
>>>>> on it's own) to coil neg. The grey wire at the "RPM" point is the
>>>>> tach signal. The "P" and "R" markings in pink are the locations
>>>>> where the original magnetic pickup wires were connected, which are
>>>>> now running off out of the distributor to the HEI ignition module
>>>>> I'm using to handle the ignition firing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rather than just use the Coil neg to drive the tacho, these units
>>>>> have a specific tach signal wire on these boards as they have a
>>>>> built in rev limiter and the tach signal wire is used to program
>>>>> it. Programming is achieved by holding the engine at half the
>>>>> desired rpm where you wish the limiter to cut in, and then ground
>>>>> the tach signal wire for one second. From that point on if you
>>>>> were successful when the ignition is turned on the tach needle
>>>>> would do a pre start sweep up to the desired rpm limit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never used the rev limiter so I couldn't tell you how well (if
>>>>> at all) it worked, and now that I'm using a separate stand-alone
>>>>> ignition module my tacho is driven by the coil neg.
>>>>
>>>> Well that's about it for clockys "Theory" about a failing zener
>>>> overheating it's "Load resistor" (not a term used in professional
>>>> electronics).
>>>
>>> Well, yeah, but to be honest that was a safe bet from the get-go :)
>>>
>>>> There is only one place that the resistor found in the bottom of
>>>> the dizzy could have come from and that is R22. R22 as can be seen
>>>> in one of the original pictures is connected between pin 3 of the
>>>> MOSFET and ground nowhere near any zeners or the power supply
>>>> input. R23, which is in parallel, also has been very hot because it
>>>> has burned through the insulation of the orange wire.
>>>
>>> Indeed it did.
>>>
>>>> We can now see the value of the exploded capacitor 0.01uF 630 volt.
>>>> So the capacitor appears to have been correctly specced, and
>>>> capable of handling the normal coil back emf. Either it was faulty
>>>> or it has been hit with a *lot* of volts. That is reason to suspect
>>>> a problem with the coil, a flashover from the secondary winding
>>>> would do it and it seems to be a not exactly unknown fault..
>>>
>>> No, but as I said earlier the coil tested okay and has been
>>> functioning perfectly fine ever since.
>>>
>>>> I could go into an analysis of the circuit, but most of the action
>>>> goes on in the IC which can't be identified from the pictures, and
>>>> the marking may even have been removed by the manufacturer anyway
>>>> (quite a common practice unfortunately). Anyway most here wouldn't
>>>> understand it, and no doubt clocky would try and argue, If he wants
>>>> to prove his electronic expertise, then he can give a detailed
>>>> analysis.
>>>
>>> Like I've said previously, don't hold your breath. His standard
>>> practice in situations like these when he realises that the
>>> situation has gone *way* beyond the range of his limited knowledge
>>> and he finds himself completely out of his depth is to turn into Mr
>>> Agro and play the man rather than the ball.
>>>
>>> You watch.... :)
>>>
>>>> Clocky seems to have fallen into the trap of having seen some
>>>> report of zener failure and assumed that it must be the case here,
>>>> I've seen this from lazy people in the industry who can't be
>>>> bothered to check into the problem properly and just assume some
>>>> common fault. I've often had to clean up the mess that they have left.
>>>
>>> No doubt you have.
>>>
>>> Jerky's "problem", such as it is, is that he has a perpetual need to
>>> show that he knows more about anything than anyone else, and in
>>> situations like this where he *clearly* does not he educates himself
>>> to a *very* limited degree by Googling what he can in the time he
>>> has available than then trying to bluff his way through the rest of
>>> the thread by passing whatever he learned off as his own personal
>>> knowledge while using agro and bluster to fill in the gaps.
>>>
>>> Like he has already been doing thus far.
>>>
>>> This is not accidental. He does it on purpose because he needs to
>>> show everyone that he's better than anyone else and we've already
>>> seen him mouthing off about how much better he could fix this
>>> problem better than me or anyone else around here. In fact, I'd take
>>> a sizeable bet that his solution to this problem would be to replace
>>> the failed components and return the distributor to it's original
>>> state while bragging about how well he did it.
>>>
>>> And if he *did* do that then he would be a bigger fucking *idiot*
>>> than even I can give him credit for being, and you can go to the
>>> bank on me thinking he's a moron :)
>>>
>>> The reason why that would be the worst thing you could do is *not*
>>> because it would be a difficult process worth bragging about. You
>>> can buy the damaged components from RS Components online or even
>>> pick them up at any Jaycar store, and the board itself is basic
>>> enough that Stevie Wonder could just about remove and replace the
>>> components with a plumber's soldering iron. The actual repair itself
>>> would not be even remotely difficult. Why it would be stupid to do
>>> that is because all you'd be doing is returning it back to the
>>> original shitty design in the first place. The very one where he
>>> claimed in a reply to you was a poor design that caused the problem
>>> to begin with, and the very one where if you returned it to that
>>> state you'd just be waiting for it to fail again.
>>>
>>> And again, and again, and again.
>>>
>>> Wasn't it Einstein who said stupidity was defined by doing the same
>>> thing over and over and expecting a different result each time? :)
>>>
>>> The proper way to repair this cunt of a thing was to do what I did
>>> with it, which was to modify it so the poor design and cheap-arsed
>>> components are removed from the equation and can never cause an
>>> issue ever again. The bonus is that now that the ignition firing is
>>> handled by a remotely mounted HEI module it will no doubt be *far*
>>> more reliable given that HEI chips have been used for decades and
>>> have proven their worth, but the extra added bonus in this case is
>>> if the chip ever dies they can be obtained for 30 bucks and being
>>> mounted remotely it's a 10 minute job to change it. The distributor
>>> no longer has to be removed from the engine and completely
>>> dismantled to get to the faulty components.
>>>
>>> Win win, and this is the difference in problem solving approach
>>> methods between a bloke who has a shit-tonne of hands on experience
>>> and a desk jockey who *thinks* he does.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> you have no right to criticise those in your kf because they have no
>> right of reply, so STFU you bogan dickhead
>>
>>
>
> lol, don't worry about it. The words from a proven fraud amount to
> nothing, it's just white noise.
>
> If anyone is a chest beating bragger it's Derro... and that's
> backfired on him countless times :-) ~~~~~~~~~~
  Heh, not *this* time W O'T, (BTW, Better get yer coat-tailer to shut
up! she`s making things worse) <FBG>
>
>
>
>
>

On 16/11/21 8:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 5:26 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 16/11/2021 10:58 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> Then Derro, completely clueless, chimes in - not realising Keith is
>>> bullshitting him and he's fallen for it.
>>>
>>> This is comedy gold!
>>
>> Give it away clocky, you are just making yourself look more stuoid by
>> the day.
>
> He's got his work cut out for him in trying to do that, as ol'
> Windscreen boy exceeded the maximum capacity for looking stupid quite
> some time ago.
>
So where does that leave you - caught out lying and bullshitting in this
forum for twenty 20) years and more? That's one hell of a serious
illness you have there Darren.

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