On Monday, 17 January 2022 at 09:05:19 UTC, Ace wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:30:07 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 18:15:46 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
> >> On 16/01/2022 10:59, ogden wrote:
> >
> >> > Thank god for Punk.
> >> What became of Ged?
> >
> >I think I'm missing something.
> Thank Ged.

Ah. Of course.

On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 21:29:19 UTC, Champ wrote:

> And put it down to the same paranoia that meant he wouldn't use bank
> ATMs

The cynic in me wonders if he'd had an eye to re-using some of the tales
in some future publication.

But he wasn't the only one to x-noarchive in those days, none of my
previous personas exist, well hardly exist.

Looking at what Cambridge Analytica etc. did with facebook I think his
paranoia was justified. The sheer amount of personal data many of us
just shed across social media is staggering; more than enough for
identity theft and possibly worse.

Ace wrote:

> Quite so. And of course the same was true for the taped versions. I
> still have a ton (or two) of my old cassettes dating back to the
> 1980s, and quite enjoyed listening to them in the correct fashion in
> my Landrover, which although from 2002 was equipped with an old-school
> radio/cassette when I bought it. Since upgraded to a proper modern
> Android head unit, so the old tapes are now redundant again.

I have boxes and boxes of tapes - still.

I'd fitted a late 70s tape machine to the Jag, coupled to a tape thing
and 3.5 jack I could connect my phone but that was a bit of a faff.

It is also now redundant...

I have an old Radiomobile I'm going to gut (although on first
examination that is easier said than done) and fit a 12v bluetooth
amp/board I picked up from ebay. I've got some reasonable(ish) quality
speakers in place of the originals, but in the original housings.

Whether I'll be able to hear anything over the wind noise [1] is
anyone's guess.

[1] Old cars are very noisy [2] - even if they have grace, space and
pace - it will surprise you if you've got used to anything made in the
last two decades.

[2] New door seals will probably make a huge difference.

--
Simon

Stephen Packer wrote:

> > Never succeded though. TBF there's been a lot of music since those
> > days that deserved death, but it seems to have survived home
> > taping, the rise and fall of CDs and various other significant
> > changes to listening habits.
>
> It has and it hasn't survived. I mean, it doesn't affect me but the
> digitisation of music through first of all simple theft/sharing
> through Napster etc then moving to the streaming services has
> massively changed the industry and (as you point out) the listening
> experience.

I'm not sure if this is an age thing, or just me [1]...

However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
anyone that's come about in the last ten years.

I don't listen to radio 1 or six music (I may do if JCC is hosting, but
not regularly) and just don't pick up on anything anymore.

I do have a full Spotify account but that's, mostly, just for listening
to stuff I already own on CD.

Maybe, it's me that's killed new music. I just don't like it anymore.

[1] I suspect I'm going to know the answer.
[2] Molchat Doma - and that's only because I liked the music to the
goth bats and looked it up (it's not really that new sounding). It
seems that track is everywhere on Instagram.

--
Simon

Mike Fleming wrote:

> But Focus,

I am really, very anti-prog [1] but have a soft spot for Focus.

Especially the almost brilliant use of Hocus Pocus in Baby Driver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v6NDhHlf0A

[1] I think it's an age, school peer thing - the slightly older boys
all liked prog and they were very uncool.

I also had an old XJ6 (it was actually a Daimler Sovereign, but hey,
badge engineering) and all that had was an 8 track and boot load of
Gentle Giant. Put me off a bit.

--
Simon

wessie wrote:

> documentary about Jethro Tull early this morning.
> it is
> very long,

There's a fucking surprise.

> but quite interesting.

That is.

--
Simon

Champ wrote:

> The oldest MP [1] in parliament is known as "the father of the
> house"
> [1] or is it the longest serving

This (uninterrupted too)

> [2] dunno what they'll do if that MP is a woman

"Mother of the House" - currently Harriet Harmen

--
Simon

sweller wrote:

> > The oldest MP [1] in parliament is known as "the father of the
> > house"
>
> > [1] or is it the longest serving
>
> This (uninterrupted too)
>
>
> > [2] dunno what they'll do if that MP is a woman
>
> "Mother of the House" - currently Harriet Harmen

....better late than never

--
Simon

On 18 Jan 2022 07:00:05 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>I'm not sure if this is an age thing, or just me [1]...

I think it's age combined with an inherent curmudgenliness.

>However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
>anyone that's come about in the last ten years.

I've heard of a few, usually via quiz and panel shows on TV. But even
those who I'm predisposed to like, e.g. a solo guitar and voice
singer-songwriter like Ed Sheeran, I find hard to enjoy.

Yes, It's always been thus, and I've never been one to keep up with,
or to like, most of the 'current' trends over the last thirty years or
so, but I do thinkl something's hapenned to music in recent years that
marks it out as a more major change.

I don't think it's in any way connected with the means of delivery
though. More, I put it down to Disney and the like bombarding kids
with warbly stuff like "let it go" from a very young age. The voice
style that seems to have become the norm in recent years just grates
on me something awful.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 18 Jan 2022 06:53:29 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Ace wrote:
>
>> Quite so. And of course the same was true for the taped versions. I
>> still have a ton (or two) of my old cassettes dating back to the
>> 1980s, and quite enjoyed listening to them in the correct fashion in
>> my Landrover, which although from 2002 was equipped with an old-school
>> radio/cassette when I bought it. Since upgraded to a proper modern
>> Android head unit, so the old tapes are now redundant again.

>I'd fitted a late 70s tape machine to the Jag, coupled to a tape thing
>and 3.5 jack I could connect my phone but that was a bit of a faff.

I could easily mount a roof-level console to include the original
LR-branded radio cassette if I felt so inclined... one of these days,
perhaps.

>Whether I'll be able to hear anything over the wind noise [1] is
>anyone's guess.

Ah yes, well I certainly relate to that.

>[1] Old cars are very noisy [2] - even if they have grace, space and
>pace - it will surprise you if you've got used to anything made in the
>last two decades.

TBF my Defender is actually younger than that, but I'd bet that it's
probably an order of magnititude louder than any Shite Old Jag.

>[2] New door seals will probably make a huge difference.

Been there, done that, but in fact wind noise is much less of an issue
than mechanical. I fitted soundproofing to the bonnet which made a
huge difference, and apparently doing the same to the engine/cab
bulkhead is even more effective, but that needs most of the engine bay
to be stripped in order to fit, and that's waaay beyond my
effort/reward threshold.

New speakers will be fitted in the not too distant future - the amp in
the Android head unit can now easily overwhelm them. Although TBF if
you were to turn the sound up enough to listen properly to music at
motorway speeds you're probably in danger of going deaf(er) anyway.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 18 Jan 2022 07:00:05 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
>anyone that's come about in the last ten years.

20 years for me
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 18 Jan 2022 07:14:56 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>wessie wrote:
>
>> documentary about Jethro Tull early this morning.
>> it is
>> very long,

>There's a fucking surprise.

LOL
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2022 07:00:05 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
>> anyone that's come about in the last ten years.
>
> 20 years for me

I'll go with 15 - covers Frank Turner and The Gaslight Anthem.

On 18/01/2022 07:14, sweller wrote:
> wessie wrote:
>
>> documentary about Jethro Tull early this morning.
>> it is
>> very long,
>
> There's a fucking surprise.**

Life's a Long Song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flz5lL9V2Bk

HTH, Chris*

*But I know what you mean about the documentary.
**TBF it was never the same after Glenn Cornick & Mick Abrahms got
booted out - with a few exceptions***
*** discuss

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:26:41 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>TBF my Defender is actually younger than that, but I'd bet that it's
>probably an order of magnititude louder than any Shite Old Jag.

No-one ever escaped my company car Land Rover without a headache due
to the noise (not carbon monoxide - but it was slow enough that a
following wind could drive the exhaust fumes back in).

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

On 18/01/2022 10:36, Champ wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2022 07:00:05 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
>> anyone that's come about in the last ten years.
>
> 20 years for me

I can name one or two 'folkie' artists from the last (checks) ah they go
back further than I thought from 2008 though not aware of them (via
SWMBO) until 2015.

The Young'uns.
Pretty 'finger in the ear'

Grace Petrie - all UKRMs prejudices rolled in to one.

Socialist, feminist, left wing, protest singer.

A taste Shrewsbury Folk Festival 2019

https://youtu.be/ADEgmKffmDo?t=958

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 07:00:06 UTC, sweller wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is an age thing, or just me [1]...
>
> However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
> anyone that's come about in the last ten years.

I was going to suggest The Sleaford Mods but they're closer to 15 years
than 10.

Almost all of what I considered to be 'new' music is close to 20 years old.

So I *suspect* it's mostly an age thing. Someone I used to work with managed
to keep up with new music releases with genuine interest and enthusiasm,
not some sort of sad 'I'm not old' thing; but he was certainly the exception.

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:29:19 PM UTC-5, Champ wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:30:07 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Just had a look and sadly while I can find follow ups to TOG's post (in
> >October 199-fucking-9) he x-noarchived his posts so they've (mostly)
> >disappeared into the ether; a great shame since the fucker could write.

There are two options. One, is search for posts by YTC#1, who famously does not snip (sorry Bruce, but old memes die hard). And the second is to see if he repeated any stories on reddit, where he was quite prolific. This is his stuff, sorted by upvotes: https://old.reddit.com/user/MisterShine/?sort=top

> That is something of a tragedy. We who read them originally will just
> have to console ourselves with the sense that "we were there"
>
> And put it down to the same paranoia that meant he wouldn't use bank
> ATMs

I used to love mocking him for that.

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:43:43 AM UTC-5, wessie wrote:

> Rock classification is utterly fucked.

No more than any other type of music. Where does classical music start and end? Gregorian chant to...Stravinsky? How about in-genre sub-classifications - when does Baroque finish and classical-classical start? Beethoven spanned the classical and the romantic, so how should we describe him?

This is just the fundamentals of art. Don't sweat it (and don't be the one foolish enough to be dogmatic about a definition).

On 18/01/2022 13:29, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:43:43 AM UTC-5, wessie wrote:
>
>> Rock classification is utterly fucked.
>
> No more than any other type of music. Where does classical music start and end? Gregorian chant to...Stravinsky? How about in-genre sub-classifications - when does Baroque finish and classical-classical start? Beethoven spanned the classical and the romantic, so how should we describe him?
>
> This is just the fundamentals of art. Don't sweat it (and don't be the one foolish enough to be dogmatic about a definition).

The arts - performing in particular- VOR.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 18/01/2022 07:00, sweller wrote:
> Stephen Packer wrote:
>
>>> Never succeded though. TBF there's been a lot of music since those
>>> days that deserved death, but it seems to have survived home
>>> taping, the rise and fall of CDs and various other significant
>>> changes to listening habits.
>>
>> It has and it hasn't survived. I mean, it doesn't affect me but the
>> digitisation of music through first of all simple theft/sharing
>> through Napster etc then moving to the streaming services has
>> massively changed the industry and (as you point out) the listening
>> experience.
>
> I'm not sure if this is an age thing, or just me [1]...
>
> However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
> anyone that's come about in the last ten years.
>

I listen to Planet Rock, and yes I know it is a lot of old shite.
But they do play new(ish) stuff, and that usually makes me go and nuy a
CD (or 2).

>
> Maybe, it's me that's killed new music. I just don't like it anymore.
>
How do you know, if you don't listen to it? :-)
>

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:08:46 AM UTC-5, stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 21:29:19 UTC, Champ wrote:
>
> > And put it down to the same paranoia that meant he wouldn't use bank
> > ATMs
> The cynic in me wonders if he'd had an eye to re-using some of the tales
> in some future publication.

That never occurred to me, but he did have quite a leaning towards monetization didn't he. I assumed it was about privacy - I remember him tearing into some poster for calling him "Murray", and it was pointed out that his posting email address was chateau.murray@whatever.

> But he wasn't the only one to x-noarchive in those days, none of my
> previous personas exist, well hardly exist.

In your case, balancing a successful career and creating some separation with an online persona seemed very wise. I did the same for a while. But you're right, in the last few years (a) I probably post fewer controversial or potentially career-limiting things, and (b) I realize that there's "a lot" out there in my name, and I've landed on the best policy being a single authentic self. I'm comfortable with that at this point.

> Looking at what Cambridge Analytica etc. did with facebook I think his
> paranoia was justified. The sheer amount of personal data many of us
> just shed across social media is staggering; more than enough for
> identity theft and possibly worse.

Anyone who wants to be me is more than welcome to it, tbh.

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 2:00:06 AM UTC-5, sweller wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is an age thing, or just me [1]...
>
> However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
> anyone that's come about in the last ten years.
>
> I don't listen to radio 1 or six music (I may do if JCC is hosting, but
> not regularly) and just don't pick up on anything anymore.
>
> I do have a full Spotify account but that's, mostly, just for listening
> to stuff I already own on CD.
>
> Maybe, it's me that's killed new music. I just don't like it anymore.

I was the same until relatively recently. I had ripped every CD I owned and had them all in iTunes. I had four recordings of Beethoven's 3rd Symphony, ten or eleven renditions of Autumn Leaves...what else did I need? I didn't have time to listen to the music I already had.

But then a year ago I subscribed to Apple Music. And now I effectively have all music in the world. But what's great is the AI-generated playlists. Because I like certain things, it will suggest other things, and I give them a go. It's been really pleasurable, and has returned music to a more central place in my life, compared to the last decade. Now I'm just sorry I don't have more time for music.

On 18/01/2022 13:26, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:29:19 PM UTC-5, Champ wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:30:07 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
>> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just had a look and sadly while I can find follow ups to TOG's post (in
>>> October 199-fucking-9) he x-noarchived his posts so they've (mostly)
>>> disappeared into the ether; a great shame since the fucker could write.
>
> There are two options. One, is search for posts by YTC#1, who famously does not snip (sorry Bruce, but old memes die hard).

Nice to be famous for something :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:35:30 +0000, Sqirrel99
<secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>> On 18 Jan 2022 07:00:05 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
>>> anyone that's come about in the last ten years.
>>
>> 20 years for me

>I'll go with 15 - covers Frank Turner and The Gaslight Anthem.

Who?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old