On 18/01/2022 14:34, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 13:33:02 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I listen to Planet Rock, and yes I know it is a lot of old shite.
>> But they do play new(ish) stuff, and that usually makes me go and nuy a
>> CD (or 2).
>
> Well, I do too,

You me and Ant Espindola :-)

>
> Rock music is a heritage industry nowadays

2 years ago (just pre- new times) we went to a Rock and Blues weekend at
Skegness.

There was a surprising number of decent (non covers & non aging famous
rockers).

I get what you mean, but there is only so far many chords and so many
ways they can be played, surely?

Then there are the bands that you missed the 1st time around. Recently I
got into Withn Temptation and Halestorm.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 18/01/2022 17:19, crn@nospam.com wrote:
> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I listen to Planet Rock, and yes I know it is a lot of old shite.
>>> But they do play new(ish) stuff, and that usually makes me go and nuy a
>>> CD (or 2).
>>
>> Well, I do too, but even I'd say that the new stuff is pretty much
>> designed to sound like the old stuff.
>>
>> Rock music is a heritage industry nowadays
>
> I still enjoy 70s and 80s stuff such as Queen and The Who but the radio
> in the van stays tuned to Classic FM for relaxing musical wallpaper when
> I am driving.

Ohh, no no no. Only rock[1] for driving.
>
>
[1] And its derivatives.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 18/01/2022 17:19, crn@nospam.com wrote:
> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I listen to Planet Rock, and yes I know it is a lot of old shite.
>>> But they do play new(ish) stuff, and that usually makes me go and nuy a
>>> CD (or 2).
>>
>> Well, I do too, but even I'd say that the new stuff is pretty much
>> designed to sound like the old stuff.
>>
>> Rock music is a heritage industry nowadays
>
> I still enjoy 70s and 80s stuff such as Queen and The Who but the radio
Radio.... how quaint :-)
>
>

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 18/01/2022 18:27, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 18/01/2022 10:17, Ace wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it's in any way connected with the means of delivery
>> though. More, I put it down to Disney and the like bombarding kids
>> with warbly stuff like "let it go" from a very young age. The voice
>> style that seems to have become the norm in recent years just grates
>> on me something awful.
>
> Autotune is being used as a ubiquitous vocal effect and is distinctly
> annoying. It's not that the singers can't sing in tune (mostly, anyway),
> it just became a fashion sometime post-Cher and hasn't stopped being a
> fashion.

Before autotune, every studio in the world had a simple piece of
equipment that was used whenever a singer couldn't sing. It was called
the door and they would be shown it.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On 19/01/2022 01:19 crn@nospam.com penned these words:
> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I listen to Planet Rock, and yes I know it is a lot of old shite.
>>> But they do play new(ish) stuff, and that usually makes me go and nuy a
>>> CD (or 2).
>>
>> Well, I do too, but even I'd say that the new stuff is pretty much
>> designed to sound like the old stuff.
>>
>> Rock music is a heritage industry nowadays
>
> I still enjoy 70s and 80s stuff such as Queen and The Who but the radio
> in the van stays tuned to Classic FM for relaxing musical wallpaper when
> I am driving.

If when I turn on the ignition the radio comes on because L may have been the
last one in there's almost a sonic boom as I reach for the off button.

> Rap and its myriad derivatives just annoys me enough to
> reach for the off button.

Gawd yes, one of my contract jobs SW testing various rap was played constantly
on the speakers. I was pleased to be poached out of there.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 18 Jan 2022 17:28:16 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Ace wrote:
>
>> >> Android head unit
>> >
>> > I've just looked them up - interesting.
>> >
>> > They don't seem to have a twin spindle version.
>>
>> A what now? You mean with physical buttons and stuff? Most of them
>> have a minimalist on/off switch and volume control, some also
>> additional buttons to switch between apps.
>
>The Jag doesn't have a DIN aperture - it has the old twin spindle
>arrangement.
>https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/254831214853_/Radiomobile-980-classic-car-radio-dual-polarity.jpg

Oh right. Yeah, major surgery required.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 18:27:46 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 18/01/2022 10:17, Ace wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it's in any way connected with the means of delivery
>> though. More, I put it down to Disney and the like bombarding kids
>> with warbly stuff like "let it go" from a very young age. The voice
>> style that seems to have become the norm in recent years just grates
>> on me something awful.
>
>Autotune is being used as a ubiquitous vocal effect and is distinctly
>annoying. It's not that the singers can't sing in tune (mostly, anyway),
>it just became a fashion sometime post-Cher and hasn't stopped being a
>fashion.

Annoying as that is, I think it's used less now than it was ten years
ago.

It's the pseudo-gospel and R&B[1] influenses that have been more
popularised and develped into a vocal style that really grates on me.

[1] Modern R&B, not the real thing that was at the heart of early Rock
and Roll
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

sweller wrote:
> Ace wrote:
>
>>>> Android head unit
>>> I've just looked them up - interesting.
>>>
>>> They don't seem to have a twin spindle version.
>> A what now? You mean with physical buttons and stuff? Most of them
>> have a minimalist on/off switch and volume control, some also
>> additional buttons to switch between apps.
>
> The Jag doesn't have a DIN aperture - it has the old twin spindle
> arrangement.
> https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/254831214853_/Radiomobile-980-classic-car-radio-dual-polarity.jpg

Not Android, but with DAB and Bluetooth -
https://www.classiccarstereo.co.uk/shop/classic-car-stereos/autosound-classic-car-stereo/ccs-classic-200-dab-spindle-mount-radio/

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 1:02:54 PM UTC, stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 07:00:06 UTC, sweller wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure if this is an age thing, or just me [1]...
> >
> > However, I don't think I can name a new band/artist [2] - or at least
> > anyone that's come about in the last ten years.
> I was going to suggest The Sleaford Mods but they're closer to 15 years
> than 10.
>
> Almost all of what I considered to be 'new' music is close to 20 years old.
>
> So I *suspect* it's mostly an age thing. Someone I used to work with managed
> to keep up with new music releases with genuine interest and enthusiasm,
> not some sort of sad 'I'm not old' thing; but he was certainly the exception.

Love the Sleaford Mods, we have Radio 6 Music on in the workshop all days which gives a great mix of new stuff and non-mainstream stuff.

I like it as it avoids cheesy old grandad rock which seems to flavour de jour around these parts.

There's some fucking great music out there at the moment, I guess at the end of day it's what people feel comfortable with.
I keep an open mind and will pretty much listen to anything, nothing scares me music wise, but I won't listen most classical, that is not to say I won't enjoy it when I hear it. I appreciate it, but it won't be dropping into my Qobuz/Tidal stream anytime soon.
Charty new RnB/HipHop/Mainstream pop, I'll avoid, but I don't go out of my way to isolate myself and say I'm only going to listen to X because everything else is shit.
I think I just enjoy discovering new music. I'm that type, enjoy trying new foods, films, exploring, reading new books etc, rather than pigeonholing myself and falling under a safe label.

Sqirrel99 wrote:

> > > > They don't seem to have a twin spindle version.
> > > A what now? You mean with physical buttons and stuff? Most of them
> > > have a minimalist on/off switch and volume control, some also
> > > additional buttons to switch between apps.
> >
> > The Jag doesn't have a DIN aperture - it has the old twin spindle
> > arrangement.
> >
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/254831214853_/Radiomobile-980-classic-car-radio-dual-polarity.jpg
>
> Not Android, but with DAB and Bluetooth -
>
https://www.classiccarstereo.co.uk/shop/classic-car-stereos/autosound-classic-car-stereo/ccs-classic-200-dab-spindle-mount-radio/

HFM!

I had seen them before and that's what prompted me to get a bluetooth
amp to put in the body of an old Radiomobile.
Something like this (but it's not quite the same):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294119322461

Unfortunately I have to remove the mechanical linkage on the preselect
buttons - they're quite heavy duty - to make room to fit the card which
will be a pity as the clunking is quite enjoyable.

I was going to use the volume on/off potentiometer (?)(or another with
the orignal knob refitted) to turn the card on and off and maybe act as
a hard volume - with an LED to light up the old radio tuning scale.

--
Simon

Ace wrote:
> Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> >On 18/01/2022 10:17, Ace wrote:
> >> I don't think it's in any way connected with the means of delivery
> >> though. More, I put it down to Disney and the like bombarding kids
> >> with warbly stuff like "let it go" from a very young age.

Like the songs in Snow White sounded like Throbbing Gristle?

> >Autotune is being used as a ubiquitous vocal effect and is distinctly
> >annoying. It's not that the singers can't sing in tune (mostly, anyway),
> >it just became a fashion sometime post-Cher and hasn't stopped being a
> >fashion.
> Annoying as that is, I think it's used less now than it was ten years
> ago.

Autotune is still widely used. The trick of using it without smoothing, that's probably less common than it used to be, but I still hear it a lot. Just not as extreme as it was in Believe.

> It's the pseudo-gospel and R&B[1] influenses that have been more
> popularised and develped into a vocal style that really grates on me.
>
> [1] Modern R&B, not the real thing that was at the heart of early Rock
> and Roll

R&B is, and has always been, nothing more than a euphemism for whatever "black" music was at the time.

Let's face it. You got old and culture moved on without you. Not exactly a fresh story.

sweller wrote:
> Sqirrel99 wrote:
> > > The Jag doesn't have a DIN aperture - it has the old twin spindle
> > > arrangement.
> >
> > Not Android, but with DAB and Bluetooth -
> >
> https://www.classiccarstereo.co.uk/shop/classic-car-stereos/autosound-classic-car-stereo/ccs-classic-200-dab-spindle-mount-radio/
>
> HFM!

That's pretty cheap considering you're in a niche market. The upgrade for the one in my van is about five times that. Which is why I'm not getting it.

siwilson wrote:
> Ben Blaney wrote:
> > There are two options. One, is search for posts by YTC#1, who famously does not snip (sorry Bruce, but old memes die hard). And the second is to see if he repeated any stories on reddit, where he was quite prolific. This is his stuff, sorted by upvotes: https://old.reddit.com/user/MisterShine/?sort=top
>
> <clicks> He knew about the poop knife!

Could he recite the Jolly Rancher story though? Or Swamps of Dagobah?

siwilson wrote:
> CT wrote:
> > Which reminds me of another artist I first saw on JH's show - Chris,
> > formerly Christine & The Queens, although it seems that she/they have
> > been around since 2010.
> >
> Yeah, I think I first saw her/them/they watching Glastonbury on the
> tellybox. Quite interesting. <googles> "Tilted" was the song.

More recently, "Doesn't Matter (Voleur de Soleil)" was pretty good.

siwilson wrote:
> <small voice> I quite like *some* poppy trashy stuff.

M got home last night and caught me strumming along to Taylor Swift.

(Fnarr)

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Getting a Spotify account has expanded my music taste.
> I hardly ever listen to the stuff I liked years ago.

Same here. I've still got all my old CDs as MP3s on a file share, and they rarely get played. There's a fair bit of overlap with stuff I've got in Spotify playlists, but for the most part when I scroll through the folders it's all just a bit meh.

Though I did queue a few up over Christmas, and while most were firmly in the "might as well delete it" bucket, a few stood out. Placebo's first album being one of them, much (much!) to my surprise.

ogden wrote:

> siwilson wrote:
> > CT wrote:
> > > Which reminds me of another artist I first saw on JH's show -
> > > Chris, formerly Christine & The Queens, although it seems that
> > > she/they have been around since 2010.
> > >
> > Yeah, I think I first saw her/them/they watching Glastonbury on the
> > tellybox. Quite interesting. <googles> "Tilted" was the song.

That was the first one I heard, yes.

> More recently, "Doesn't Matter (Voleur de Soleil)" was pretty good.

Oh my! The venn diagram of our musical tastes has another small
intersect!

--
Chris

sweller wrote:

> CT wrote:
>
> > Baby Driver does have a particularly good soundtrack, including
> > Brighton Rock, for example.
>
> I read that they had cleared all the music before filming started
> (unuusually and at some expense) as the action was choreographed to
> the beat (as in the Focus bit).
>
> It was described as a musical without musical "numbers"

Interesting, ta. It certainly worked.

I'm trying to recall the interview I heard recently (maybe on Graham
Norton) where a film used Queen's Stone Cold Crazy because the Led
Zeppelin track they wanted was just far too expensive.

--
Chris

ogden wrote:

> >
https://www.classiccarstereo.co.uk/shop/classic-car-stereos/autosound-classic-car-stereo/ccs-classic-200-dab-spindle-mount-radio/
> >
> > HFM!
>
> That's pretty cheap considering you're in a niche market.

Good point - but I'll see if I can cobble something up myself.

I've got an acquaintance who fits them to old radio sets - I'm rather
regretting throwing out the four or five MW/LW sets I'd accumulated at
the lockup when I moved out.

--
Simon

On 18/01/2022 23:39, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 18/01/2022 18:27, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 18/01/2022 10:17, Ace wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think it's in any way connected with the means of delivery
>>> though. More, I put it down to Disney and the like bombarding kids
>>> with warbly stuff like "let it go" from a very young age. The voice
>>> style that seems to have become the norm in recent years just grates
>>> on me something awful.
>>
>> Autotune is being used as a ubiquitous vocal effect and is distinctly
>> annoying. It's not that the singers can't sing in tune (mostly,
>> anyway), it just became a fashion sometime post-Cher and hasn't
>> stopped being a fashion.
>
> Before autotune, every studio in the world had a simple piece of
> equipment that was used whenever a singer couldn't sing. It was called
> the door and they would be shown it.

Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Lou Reed?

On 19/01/2022 11:15, ogden wrote:
> Ace wrote:
>> Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Autotune is being used as a ubiquitous vocal effect and is distinctly
>>> annoying. It's not that the singers can't sing in tune (mostly, anyway),
>>> it just became a fashion sometime post-Cher and hasn't stopped being a
>>> fashion.
>> Annoying as that is, I think it's used less now than it was ten years
>> ago.
>
> Autotune is still widely used. The trick of using it without smoothing, that's probably less common than it used to be, but I still hear it a lot. Just not as extreme as it was in Believe.

I started to watch "Beauty and the Beast" a few weeks ago (in my
defence, SWMBO wanted to watch it and I was a passive victim), and gave
up halfway through the first song. Emma Watson autotuned to within an
inch of her life. Either give her some vocal training or get her to mime
to someone who can sing. Or maybe train the sound tech to use autotune
more smoothly.

On 18/01/2022 07:12, sweller wrote:
> Mike Fleming wrote:
>
>> But Focus,
>
> I am really, very anti-prog [1] but have a soft spot for Focus.
>
> Especially the almost brilliant use of Hocus Pocus in Baby Driver.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v6NDhHlf0A

There's a very neat bit in there where some hip-hop (I think, all these
genres seem the same to me) gets merged in at the exact tempo.

> [1] I think it's an age, school peer thing - the slightly older boys
> all liked prog and they were very uncool.

In my school days, I liked Focus and Yes, not Genesis (although in later
years I got to like those albums more, from Lamb Lies Down backwards).
Also liked Pink Floyd and Tyrannosaurus Rex, and T. Rex.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 17:19:28 -0000 (UTC), crn@nospam.com wrote:

>the radio in the van stays tuned to Classic FM for relaxing musical
>wallpaper when I am driving.

I pretty much always listen to podcasts when driving, and have done
for some years now
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 18 Jan 2022 17:24:53 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>CT wrote:
>
>> > I am really, very anti-prog [1] but have a soft spot for Focus.
>> >
>> > Especially the almost brilliant use of Hocus Pocus in Baby Driver.
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v6NDhHlf0A
>> Baby Driver does have a particularly good soundtrack, including
>> Brighton Rock, for example.

>I read that they had cleared all the music before filming started
>(unuusually and at some expense) as the action was choreographed to the
>beat (as in the Focus bit).
>
>It was described as a musical without musical "numbers"

You heard that from Mark Kermode, didn't you? :-)
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 19:51:33 +0000, siwilson
<siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 18/01/2022 13:26, Ben Blaney wrote:

>> And the second is to see if he repeated any stories on reddit, where he was quite prolific.
>>This is his stuff, sorted by upvotes: https://old.reddit.com/user/MisterShine/?sort=top

><clicks> He knew about the poop knife!

The what now?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old