"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
news:d9mYnpAmSVWiFAj2@salmiron.com:

> In article <t3bao0$1ei$1@dont-email.me>, Tone <tone@email.com> on
> Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 09:35:12 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and
> wrote
>>On 14/04/2022 20:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 13-Apr-22 22:37, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>> In article <KEE5K.74441$Xa1.9570@fx10.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
>>>> <not@home.com> on Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 19:30:01 awoke Nicholas from
>>>> his slumbers and wrote
>>>>> On 13-Apr-22 15:31, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>>> Peter said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gowan, have a crafty croon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Between consenting adults in private"
>>>>>
>>>>> But _not_ in privet (unless you're a sparrow).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The night before last I was woken by two adult and consenting foxes
>>>> in private (well they thought so) under the privet that is just
>>>> below the balcony outside our bedroom.
>>>>
>>>> Their yowling was halted when water bucketted� through the privet
>>>> above their heads. That was satisfying.
>>>
>>> We have a pair of foxen which visit our garden every night.
>>> For all I know they (or their forebears) have done so for decades,
>>> but we only learned about it when we put up trail cameras in the
>>> garden.
>>>
>>
>>One of my nay burrs has been feeding foxon with sauce ages for ages at
>>6pm daily. He usually gets a family of them sitting outside his window
>>waiting for it to open.
>>
>>Then another nosey nay burr complained about it, and the manglement
>>told him to stop, which he has, being of timid nature.
>>
>>But my nay burrs who live in the flat below me who feed hedgehogs just
>>shrugged their shoulders, and now they are feeding the hedgehogs and
>>the foxen. Seems hedgehogs and foxen get on quite well together.
>>
>>Tone
> The trouble with foxes, greater blackback and herring gulls, and bears
> (not in the UK, thankfully) etc is that they can become very
> aggressive and threatening when they have not been fed 'enough'. Foxes
> back this up with very sharp teeth and strong jaws. There are examples
> of children bitten by foxes habituated to humans.

Extremely rare for foxes to attack humans - a few fox bites a year reported
to NHS, compared with 10 dog attacks a day.

--
Peter
-----

In article <XnsAE7A824C71E9FFactura3476@144.76.35.252>, Peter
<myshed@prune.org.uk> on Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 11:48:31 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
>news:d9mYnpAmSVWiFAj2@salmiron.com:
>
>> In article <t3bao0$1ei$1@dont-email.me>, Tone <tone@email.com> on
>> Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 09:35:12 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and
>> wrote
>>>On 14/04/2022 20:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 13-Apr-22 22:37, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>>> In article <KEE5K.74441$Xa1.9570@fx10.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
>>>>> <not@home.com> on Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 19:30:01 awoke Nicholas from
>>>>> his slumbers and wrote
>>>>>> On 13-Apr-22 15:31, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gowan, have a crafty croon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Between consenting adults in private"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But _not_ in privet (unless you're a sparrow).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The night before last I was woken by two adult and consenting foxes
>>>>> in private (well they thought so) under the privet that is just
>>>>> below the balcony outside our bedroom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their yowling was halted when water bucketted  through the privet
>>>>> above their heads. That was satisfying.
>>>>
>>>> We have a pair of foxen which visit our garden every night.
>>>> For all I know they (or their forebears) have done so for decades,
>>>> but we only learned about it when we put up trail cameras in the
>>>> garden.
>>>>
>>>
>>>One of my nay burrs has been feeding foxon with sauce ages for ages at
>>>6pm daily. He usually gets a family of them sitting outside his window
>>>waiting for it to open.
>>>
>>>Then another nosey nay burr complained about it, and the manglement
>>>told him to stop, which he has, being of timid nature.
>>>
>>>But my nay burrs who live in the flat below me who feed hedgehogs just
>>>shrugged their shoulders, and now they are feeding the hedgehogs and
>>>the foxen. Seems hedgehogs and foxen get on quite well together.
>>>
>>>Tone
>> The trouble with foxes, greater blackback and herring gulls, and bears
>> (not in the UK, thankfully) etc is that they can become very
>> aggressive and threatening when they have not been fed 'enough'. Foxes
>> back this up with very sharp teeth and strong jaws. There are examples
>> of children bitten by foxes habituated to humans.
>
>Extremely rare for foxes to attack humans - a few fox bites a year reported
>to NHS, compared with 10 dog attacks a day.
>
I did not write otherwise.

Dogs are for better or worse, and I would argue infinitely more better
than worse, are domesticated animals, more so than any other animal,
except perhaps for children :-j.

They are not just habituated to humans; they and humans, in all
probability domesticated each other and are part of the descent (or is
it ascent?) of man.

Foxes are not domesticated, they are wild, and habituating them to man
is asking for trouble. A fox that bites a human is either habituated to
man, perceives itself cornered or rabid (a real possibility on the other
side of the channel). For just the same reasons in America you are
discouraged from feeding bears.

There are millions of dogs living in our homes and only (hundreds) of
thousands of foxes living wild around us.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
news:3tHSz1Aj$VWiFAG1@salmiron.com:

>>> The trouble with foxes, greater blackback and herring gulls, and
>>> bears (not in the UK, thankfully) etc is that they can become very
>>> aggressive and threatening when they have not been fed 'enough'.
>>> Foxes back this up with very sharp teeth and strong jaws. There are
>>> examples of children bitten by foxes habituated to humans.
>>
>>Extremely rare for foxes to attack humans - a few fox bites a year
>>reported to NHS, compared with 10 dog attacks a day.
>>
> I did not write otherwise.

Indeed. But a lot of nonsense does gets written about foxes, especially by
the "popular press", who like to point to the one fox attack that they have
recorded in their archives from 20 years earlier to frighten the masses
into buying ther rag (and, maybe, thinking that perhaps fox hunting might
not be so bad after all). It was part of the fat fool's manifesto when
running for mayor of Lodnol that he would solve the city's fox problem
(which of course he promptly forgot about). All this leads to some folk
claiming to be scared of foxes while lugging massive dogs around on short
leashes.

> Dogs are for better or worse, and I would argue infinitely more better
> than worse, are domesticated animals, more so than any other animal,
> except perhaps for children :-j.

That, I suggest, would be of little comfort to the parents of a child
savaged by a dog.

> Foxes are not domesticated, they are wild, and habituating them to man
> is asking for trouble. A fox that bites a human is either habituated
> to man, perceives itself cornered or rabid (a real possibility on the
> other side of the channel).

Despite which, fox attacks on humans are extremely rare. Also, unless the
fox has rabies there are rarely any serious consequences of such an attack.

--
Peter
-----

Peter said:
> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
> news:3tHSz1Aj$VWiFAG1@salmiron.com:
>
>
>>>> The trouble with foxes, greater blackback and herring gulls, and
>>>> bears (not in the UK, thankfully) etc is that they can become very
>>>> aggressive and threatening when they have not been fed 'enough'.
>>>> Foxes back this up with very sharp teeth and strong jaws. There are
>>>> examples of children bitten by foxes habituated to humans.
>>>
>>>Extremely rare for foxes to attack humans - a few fox bites a year
>>>reported to NHS, compared with 10 dog attacks a day.
>>>
>> I did not write otherwise.
>
> Indeed. But a lot of nonsense does gets written about foxes, especially by
> the "popular press", who like to point to the one fox attack that they have
> recorded in their archives from 20 years earlier to frighten the masses
> into buying ther rag (and, maybe, thinking that perhaps fox hunting might
> not be so bad after all). It was part of the fat fool's manifesto when
> running for mayor of Lodnol that he would solve the city's fox problem
> (which of course he promptly forgot about). All this leads to some folk
> claiming to be scared of foxes while lugging massive dogs around on short
> leashes.
>
>> Dogs are for better or worse, and I would argue infinitely more better
>> than worse, are domesticated animals, more so than any other animal,
>> except perhaps for children :-j.
>
> That, I suggest, would be of little comfort to the parents of a child
> savaged by a dog.
>
>> Foxes are not domesticated, they are wild, and habituating them to man
>> is asking for trouble. A fox that bites a human is either habituated
>> to man, perceives itself cornered or rabid (a real possibility on the
>> other side of the channel).
>
> Despite which, fox attacks on humans are extremely rare. Also, unless the
> fox has rabies there are rarely any serious consequences of such an attack.

For humans ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 15/04/2022 14:33, Peter wrote:

> Indeed. But a lot of nonsense does gets written about foxes, especially by
> the "popular press", who like to point to the one fox attack that they have
> recorded in their archives from 20 years earlier to frighten the masses
> into buying ther rag (and, maybe, thinking that perhaps fox hunting might
> not be so bad after all). It was part of the fat fool's manifesto when
> running for mayor of Lodnol that he would solve the city's fox problem
> (which of course he promptly forgot about). All this leads to some folk
> claiming to be scared of foxes while lugging massive dogs around on short
> leashes.
>
What fox problem? They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as much
as possible, and rats are Nom!. And cats leave much more sh!t lying
round than the London foxes.

What would help would be rubbish bins they can't tip over and regular
clearing of rubbish bags before they get to them, as is done in Paris
and other major cities, who clear the rubbish every single night, not
twice a month, as our lot do.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 2022-04-15, Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
> Peter said:
>> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
>> news:3tHSz1Aj$VWiFAG1@salmiron.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> Despite which, fox attacks on humans are extremely rare. Also, unless the
>> fox has rabies there are rarely any serious consequences of such an attack.
>
> For humans ?
>
>

One recent report had it that a government office, not used at the time
because of lockdown, was used as a toilet by urban foxen. Fox piss
stinks.

--
greymausg@mail.com
General "Buck" Turgidson; `ten to twenty million killed, tops.'

On 14-Apr-22 21:29, Peter wrote:
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote in news:b0%5K.40798$4c1.3003@fx13.ams1:
>
>> On 13-Apr-22 22:37, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> In article <KEE5K.74441$Xa1.9570@fx10.ams1>, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com>
>>> on Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 19:30:01 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and
>>> wrote
>>>> On 13-Apr-22 15:31, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>> Peter said:
>>>>
>>>>>> Gowan, have a crafty croon.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Between consenting adults in private"
>>>>
>>>> But _not_ in privet (unless you're a sparrow).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The night before last I was woken by two adult and consenting foxes in
>>> private (well they thought so) under the privet that is just below the
>>> balcony outside our bedroom.
>>>
>>> Their yowling was halted when water bucketted through the privet above
>>> their heads. That was satisfying.
>>
>> We have a pair of foxen which visit our garden every night.
>> For all I know they (or their forebears) have done so for decades, but
>> we only learned about it when we put up trail cameras in the garden.
>>
>
> Good, trail cameras, innit? I put mine up to watch foxen but usualy get a
> few badgers TAAAW. Plus the occasional cat.
>
We puttemup for hedgehogs, but cats and foxes demand walk-on roles.
We haven't been badgered.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 15-Apr-22 9:35, Tone wrote:
>
> But my nay burrs who live in the flat below me who feed hedgehogs just
> shrugged their shoulders, and now they are feeding the hedgehogs and the
> foxen. Seems hedgehogs and foxen get on quite well together.

For the most part, the foxes seem to ignore the hedgehogs, even tripping
over them occasionally.
One fox did 'have a (rather half-hearted) go' at a hedgehog, but gave up
when it didn't get him anywhere. I haven't seen any repeats.

I can't recall seeing a cat and a fox in the same photo or video, but
they do each wander around the garden over the same time period, so they
must have some type of détente between them.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 15-Apr-22 14:33, Peter wrote:

> Indeed. But a lot of nonsense does gets written about foxes, especially by
> the "popular press", who like to point to the one fox attack that they have
> recorded in their archives from 20 years earlier to frighten the masses
> into buying their rag

"Dog bites man" "Man bites dog" has always been a prime motivator in
journalism, and not just the tabloids.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 15/04/2022 19:27, John Williamson wrote:
> What fox problem? They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as much
> as possible, and rats are Nom!. And cats leave much more sh!t lying
> round than the London foxes.
>
> What would help would be rubbish bins they can't tip over and regular
> clearing of rubbish bags before they get to them, as is done in Paris
> and other major cities, who clear the rubbish every single night, not
> twice a month, as our lot do.

London urban foxen are amazing.

I used to do night deliveries in London in a previous life and have
often see them at 2am trotting happily across Blackfriars Bridge.

I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road
anywhere for that matter.

They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.

Tone

On 15/04/2022 19:43, maus wrote:

> One recent report had it that a government office, not used at the time
> because of lockdown, was used as a toilet by urban foxen.

Our back garden and orchard is hfrq by country foxen for that porpoise...

> Fox piss stinks.

....mightily, as I am reminded most mornings when I take a stroll behind
the house. It is wise to watch where one walks TAAW, as various haminals
leave their solid calling cards which have to be shovelled up.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

Tone wrote:

> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road anywhere for
> that matter.
>
> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.

I disgoove I've ever seen a live badger, but I'm imagining they don't run very fast?

On 16/04/2022 02:49, Tone wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 19:27, John Williamson wrote:
>> What fox problem? They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
>> much as possible, and rats are Nom!. And cats leave much more sh!t
>> lying round than the London foxes.
>>
>> What would help would be rubbish bins they can't tip over and regular
>> clearing of rubbish bags before they get to them, as is done in Paris
>> and other major cities, who clear the rubbish every single night, not
>> twice a month, as our lot do.
>
> London urban foxen are amazing.
>
> I used to do night deliveries in London in a previous life and have
> often see them at 2am trotting happily across Blackfriars Bridge.
>
When I lived there, I kept the car in a stupormarket car park, and often
started or finished jbex at odd times. The local fox would briefly look
at me as if to say "Oh, you again" and just carry on regardless.

Many years previously, the mutt used to ignore the local foxen, but
moggies... Luckily, they could jump higher than him and we had high fences.

It took him a few encounters for him to learn that hedgepigs were not
good eating.

> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road
> anywhere for that matter.
>
> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>
The splatted badgers I see at the roadside tend to be small, from this
year' batch, and haven't met many roads. A full size badger does
'orrible thingas to a car that hits it.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 2022-04-16, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> Tone wrote:
>
>> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road anywhere for
>> that matter.
>>
>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>
> I disgoove I've ever seen a live badger, but I'm imagining they don't run very fast?

Badgers are very contrary. If you meet them on a country path, step
aside. During WWII people killed them for food, and would put stuff in
their boots to make a noise if the badger got close enough to bite.

--
greymausg@mail.com
General "Buck" Turgidson; `ten to twenty million killed, tops.'

On 2022-04-16, Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 19:43, maus wrote:
>
>> One recent report had it that a government office, not used at the time
>> because of lockdown, was used as a toilet by urban foxen.
>
> Our back garden and orchard is hfrq by country foxen for that porpoise...
>
>> Fox piss stinks.
>
> ...mightily, as I am reminded most mornings when I take a stroll behind
> the house. It is wise to watch where one walks TAAW, as various haminals
> leave their solid calling cards which have to be shovelled up.
>

Badger do-do is incredibly smelly. Dogs like to roll in it.

--
greymausg@mail.com
General "Buck" Turgidson; `ten to twenty million killed, tops.'

John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:jbtrotFaebkU1@mid.individual.net:

> On 15/04/2022 14:33, Peter wrote:
>
>> Indeed. But a lot of nonsense does gets written about foxes,
>
> What fox problem?
>

my point, exactly

> They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
> much as possible, and rats are Nom!

I'm not in Lodnol, but I did have a problem with rats which cleared up once
I started encouraging foxes.

> And cats leave much more sh!t
> lying round than the London foxes.

Our local foxes produce a particularlty malodourous sh!t, but rarely do it
where it might be trodden on.

>
> What would help would be rubbish bins they can't tip over and regular
> clearing of rubbish bags before they get to them, as is done in Paris
> and other major cities, who clear the rubbish every single night, not
> twice a month, as our lot do.

When I have been woken in Paris by the early morning clanking of the
gubbage men it has reminded me of the opening chapter of a dystopian sci-fi
novel. It might have been Make Room!Make Room.

--
Peter
-----

On 16/04/2022 10:20, Peter wrote:

> When I have been woken in Paris by the early morning clanking of the
> gubbage men it has reminded me of the opening chapter of a dystopian sci-fi
> novel. It might have been Make Room!Make Room.
>
I've been stuck behind one at two in the morning on the way back to our
hotel. They don't exactly hurry the job, and the gaps between the parked
cars are only a few centimetres wider than the lorry. Badly parked cars
get gently shoved out of the way, using the lorry bumper. (Or in one
case, bounced onto the pavement by the annoyed rugby team I was
carrying. The driver would have had to climb in over the passenger seat
when they got back to it.)

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 16/04/2022 10:20, Peter wrote:
>> They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
>> much as possible, and rats are Nom!
> I'm not in Lodnol, but I did have a problem with rats which cleared up once
> I started encouraging foxes.
>
>> And cats leave much more sh!t
>> lying round than the London foxes.

We often see foxen here, but I've never seen a rat yet.

I have occasionally seen feathers where a collared dove used to be.

Tone

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:12:07 +0100, Andrew Marshall
<news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:

>On 15/04/2022 19:43, maus wrote:
>
>> One recent report had it that a government office, not used at the time
>> because of lockdown, was used as a toilet by urban foxen.
>
>Our back garden and orchard is hfrq by country foxen for that porpoise...
>
>> Fox piss stinks.
>
>...mightily, as I am reminded most mornings when I take a stroll behind
>the house. It is wise to watch where one walks TAAW, as various haminals
>leave their solid calling cards which have to be shovelled up.

Couldn't you just leave a shovel out at nights and ask them to do it
themselves?

Nick

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:33:58 +0100
Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

> On 16/04/2022 10:20, Peter wrote:
> >> They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
> >> much as possible, and rats are Nom!
> > I'm not in Lodnol, but I did have a problem with rats which cleared up
> > once I started encouraging foxes.
> >
> >> And cats leave much more sh!t
> >> lying round than the London foxes.
>
> We often see foxen here, but I've never seen a rat yet.

I made a number of trips to Seattle for a PPOE and found a favoured
quiet spot to sit out of the hotel where nobody was trying to fryy me
anything. It was(is) a small triangular space on the side of city hall with
a couple of chairs and table with bushes growing up from a couple of feet
below ground level - just out of the way enough that pretty much nobody
went there especially the hordes of beggars in the area.

One jet-lagged insomniac night I made the mistake of going up there
in the dark - as I climbed the steps up to it (Seattle goes up and down
rather steeply) the floor level came into view covered with a wall to wall
carpet of rats. I left, the place never seemed quite so pleasant afterwards.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 02:49:31 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

>On 15/04/2022 19:27, John Williamson wrote:
>> What fox problem? They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as much
>> as possible, and rats are Nom!. And cats leave much more sh!t lying
>> round than the London foxes.
>>
>> What would help would be rubbish bins they can't tip over and regular
>> clearing of rubbish bags before they get to them, as is done in Paris
>> and other major cities, who clear the rubbish every single night, not
>> twice a month, as our lot do.
>
>London urban foxen are amazing.
>
>I used to do night deliveries in London in a previous life and have
>often see them at 2am trotting happily across Blackfriars Bridge.
>
>I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road
>anywhere for that matter.
>
>They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>
I goove you didn't see much unfox roadkill in that London either: AIUI
foxen are pretty adept at recycling dead pigeons, cats, etc.

Nick

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 11:43:05 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:33:58 +0100
>Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 16/04/2022 10:20, Peter wrote:
>> >> They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
>> >> much as possible, and rats are Nom!
>> > I'm not in Lodnol, but I did have a problem with rats which cleared up
>> > once I started encouraging foxes.
>> >
>> >> And cats leave much more sh!t
>> >> lying round than the London foxes.
>>
>> We often see foxen here, but I've never seen a rat yet.
>
> I made a number of trips to Seattle for a PPOE and found a favoured
>quiet spot to sit out of the hotel where nobody was trying to fryy me
>anything. It was(is) a small triangular space on the side of city hall with
>a couple of chairs and table with bushes growing up from a couple of feet
>below ground level - just out of the way enough that pretty much nobody
>went there especially the hordes of beggars in the area.
>
> One jet-lagged insomniac night I made the mistake of going up there
>in the dark - as I climbed the steps up to it (Seattle goes up and down
>rather steeply) the floor level came into view covered with a wall to wall
>carpet of rats. I left, the place never seemed quite so pleasant afterwards.

PPOE? (When you tell me I just know I'm going to have a "Doh!" moment)

I was in Seattle during part of 1973 but didn't go back until 2016.
The changes were astonishing but not in a good way.

Nick

On 16/04/2022 12:24, Nick Odell wrote:
> I was in Seattle during part of 1973 but didn't go back until 2016.
> The changes were astonishing but not in a good way.
>
> Nick

My son has lived there for years. He's Boeing's chief tractor driver,
pulling brand new aircraft about. Loves it!

Strangely his first word was 'tractor' when a Cornish farmer drove past
his pram.

Tone

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:24:11 +0100
Nick Odell <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:

> PPOE? (When you tell me I just know I'm going to have a "Doh!" moment)

Previous PLace of Rzcyblzrag.

> I was in Seattle during part of 1973 but didn't go back until 2016.

I was their on and off from 2013 until covid stopped travel - then
I switched wbos so probably won't be there again any time soon.

> The changes were astonishing but not in a good way.

It's not a pretty city - but then few are except from a distance.

There was only one big change over the time I was there - when I
first went there Washington State had just legalised recreational cannabis
and started to accept applications for growing licenses but the city still
had zoning and such like to work out. Visiting two to three times a year I
got to see the process in time lapse. A couple of visits later and the zones
were worked out, retail licenses were being issued - but there was none
to be had because all the legal weed was still growing. By my next visit
there were billboards up advertising the half dozen or so weed shops - they
got more numerous with each visit.

Over the next few years there were clear signs of brutal
competition in the market with heavy advertising, free shuttles to and from
the city centre, steadily falling prices and some of the optimists getting
squeezed out of the business - I saw one shop come and go in less than a
year.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:44:29 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

>On 16/04/2022 12:24, Nick Odell wrote:
>> I was in Seattle during part of 1973 but didn't go back until 2016.
>> The changes were astonishing but not in a good way.
>>
>> Nick
>
>My son has lived there for years. He's Boeing's chief tractor driver,
>pulling brand new aircraft about. Loves it!
>
>Strangely his first word was 'tractor' when a Cornish farmer drove past
>his pram.
>
Brilliant!

I imagine your son lives away from the city centre - Alki Beach
doesn't seem to have changed much since I saw it but when I was in the
central core of the city I hardly recognised it. And I haven't been
back to Tacoma - at the other end of Boeing Field - so I still
remember that as more or less a village.

One really neat thing I saw for the first time in my more recent visit
to Seattle was that all the city buses had bike racks on the front.
Cyclists would slot their bikes into the rack before they boarded and
so could cover quite long distances without the need for a car. I've
seen that since in other places but whilst Seattle may or may not have
been the first place to do such a thing, I saw it there first.

Nick