On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:59:53 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:24:11 +0100
>Nick Odell <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> PPOE? (When you tell me I just know I'm going to have a "Doh!" moment)
>
> Previous PLace of Rzcyblzrag.
>
>> I was in Seattle during part of 1973 but didn't go back until 2016.
>
> I was their on and off from 2013 until covid stopped travel - then
>I switched wbos so probably won't be there again any time soon.
>
>> The changes were astonishing but not in a good way.
>
> It's not a pretty city - but then few are except from a distance.
>
> There was only one big change over the time I was there - when I
>first went there Washington State had just legalised recreational cannabis
>and started to accept applications for growing licenses but the city still
>had zoning and such like to work out. Visiting two to three times a year I
>got to see the process in time lapse. A couple of visits later and the zones
>were worked out, retail licenses were being issued - but there was none
>to be had because all the legal weed was still growing. By my next visit
>there were billboards up advertising the half dozen or so weed shops - they
>got more numerous with each visit.
>
> Over the next few years there were clear signs of brutal
>competition in the market with heavy advertising, free shuttles to and from
>the city centre, steadily falling prices and some of the optimists getting
>squeezed out of the business - I saw one shop come and go in less than a
>year.

a) Doh!

b) Fascinating picture of the changes you've seen: thank you.

c) Sort-of thinking of going back to Seattle in part of a wider scheme
of things. I hate pointless journeys such as the steam train
"experience" that only goes 20 miles or so and then comes back again
without actually going anywhere but I'd love to fly in a small
seaplane like the ones that service the coast and islands in the
Pacific North West. I figure, next time I go to Vancouver Island
(won't be this year because the son that lives there is coming back
here soon) it might be more fun to go via Seattle and take Harbour Air
across the water than to do the usual transfer at YVR. Yes, I know
that the Coal Harbour Seaplane Base is only a Skytrain away from the
international airport but it's not really the same IMO.

Nick

In article <c5bl5h5h1i3omanarkqmhjiq4o8k9lsibn@4ax.com>, Nick Odell
<nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> on Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 12:55:36 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:44:29 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On 16/04/2022 12:24, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> I was in Seattle during part of 1973 but didn't go back until 2016.
>>> The changes were astonishing but not in a good way.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>>My son has lived there for years. He's Boeing's chief tractor driver,
>>pulling brand new aircraft about. Loves it!
>>
>>Strangely his first word was 'tractor' when a Cornish farmer drove past
>>his pram.
>>
>Brilliant!
>
>I imagine your son lives away from the city centre - Alki Beach
>doesn't seem to have changed much since I saw it but when I was in the
>central core of the city I hardly recognised it. And I haven't been
>back to Tacoma - at the other end of Boeing Field - so I still
>remember that as more or less a village.
>
>One really neat thing I saw for the first time in my more recent visit
>to Seattle was that all the city buses had bike racks on the front.
>Cyclists would slot their bikes into the rack before they boarded and
>so could cover quite long distances without the need for a car. I've
>seen that since in other places but whilst Seattle may or may not have
>been the first place to do such a thing, I saw it there first.
>
Are you sure that they weren't for collecting/hanging cyclists on? :-j
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On 16/04/2022 11:56, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:12:07 +0100, Andrew Marshall
> <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>> It is wise to watch where one walks TAAW, as various haminals
>> leave their solid calling cards which have to be shovelled up.

> Couldn't you just leave a shovel out at nights and ask them to do it
> themselves?

I wish... at least the cats sometimes make a weak attempt to scrape an
'ole and bury it.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

On 16/04/2022 09:19, maus wrote:
> On 2022-04-16, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>> Tone wrote:
>>
>>> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road anywhere for
>>> that matter.
>>>
>>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>>
>> I disgoove I've ever seen a live badger, but I'm imagining they don't run very fast?
>
>
> Badgers are very contrary. If you meet them on a country path, step
> aside. During WWII people killed them for food, and would put stuff in
> their boots to make a noise if the badger got close enough to bite.

Do badgers wear boots?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 16/04/2022 08:21, John Williamson wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 02:49, Tone wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 19:27, John Williamson wrote:
>>> What fox problem? They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
>>> much as possible, and rats are Nom!. And cats leave much more sh!t
>>> lying round than the London foxes.
>>>
>>> What would help would be rubbish bins they can't tip over and regular
>>> clearing of rubbish bags before they get to them, as is done in Paris
>>> and other major cities, who clear the rubbish every single night, not
>>> twice a month, as our lot do.
>>
>> London urban foxen are amazing.
>>
>> I used to do night deliveries in London in a previous life and have
>> often see them at 2am trotting happily across Blackfriars Bridge.
>>
> When I lived there, I kept the car in a stupormarket car park, and often
> started or finished jbex at odd times. The local fox would briefly look
> at me as if to say "Oh, you again" and just carry on regardless.
>
> Many years previously, the mutt used to ignore the local foxen, but
> moggies... Luckily, they could jump higher than him and we had high fences.
>
> It took him a few encounters for him to learn that hedgepigs were not
> good eating.
>
>> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road
>> anywhere for that matter.
>>
>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>>
> The splatted badgers I see at the roadside tend to be small, from this
> year' batch, and haven't met many roads. A full size badger does
> 'orrible thingas to a car that hits it.

Likeise a red deer...

And we has some rilly big ones hereabouts, and they have little road-sense.

We also has sika (and Sikhs).

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 16/04/2022 10:33, Tone wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 10:20, Peter wrote:
>>> They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
>>> much as possible, and rats are Nom!
>> I'm not in Lodnol, but I did have a problem with rats which cleared up
>> once
>> I started encouraging foxes.
>>
>>> And cats leave much more sh!t
>>> lying round than the London foxes.
>
> We often see foxen here, but I've never seen a rat yet.
>
> I have occasionally seen feathers where a collared dove used to be.

Very often indicating a sparrowhawk, not a fox.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 2022-04-16, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 08:21, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 02:49, Tone wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2022 19:27, John Williamson wrote:
>>>> What fox problem? They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
>>>> much as possible, and rats are Nom!. And cats leave much more sh!t
>>>> lying round than the London foxes.
>>>>
>>>> What would help would be rubbish bins they can't tip over and regular
>>>> clearing of rubbish bags before they get to them, as is done in Paris
>>>
>>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>>>
>> The splatted badgers I see at the roadside tend to be small, from this
>> year' batch, and haven't met many roads. A full size badger does
>> 'orrible thingas to a car that hits it.
>
> Likeise a red deer...

Sweden (Saab,Volvo,etc) had a test for cars before they could be sold
there, the large deer that live there are tall enough that if one
appears in front of you on the road, and you hit it, the big part of
their body will crash through your windshield.

>
> And we has some rilly big ones hereabouts, and they have little road-sense.
>
> We also has sika (and Sikhs).
>

--
greymausg@mail.com
General "Buck" Turgidson; `ten to twenty million killed, tops.'

In article <t3em6r$juq$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
girolle.co.uk> on Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 16:09:15 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 16/04/2022 09:19, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-04-16, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>> Tone wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road anywhere
>for
>>>> that matter.
>>>>
>>>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>>>
>>> I disgoove I've ever seen a live badger, but I'm imagining they don't run
>very fast?
>>
>>
>> Badgers are very contrary. If you meet them on a country path, step
>> aside. During WWII people killed them for food, and would put stuff in
>> their boots to make a noise if the badger got close enough to bite.

I was once told to put coal ash in my boots to protect my feet from an
otter bite. That way the otter would think it was crunching my bones.

Well, I have never felt otters biting at my feet :-j
>
>Do badgers wear boots?
>
No but I do.
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Andrew Marshall said:
> On 16/04/2022 11:56, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:12:07 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>> <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>> It is wise to watch where one walks TAAW, as various haminals
>>> leave their solid calling cards which have to be shovelled up.
>
>> Couldn't you just leave a shovel out at nights and ask them to do it
>> themselves?
>
> I wish... at least the cats sometimes make a weak attempt to scrape an
> 'ole and bury it.

NIMBY, damnit.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

RustyHinge said:
> On 16/04/2022 09:19, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-04-16, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>> Tone wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road anywhere for
>>>> that matter.
>>>>
>>>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>>>
>>> I disgoove I've ever seen a live badger, but I'm imagining they don't run very fast?
>>
>>
>> Badgers are very contrary. If you meet them on a country path, step
>> aside. During WWII people killed them for food, and would put stuff in
>> their boots to make a noise if the badger got close enough to bite.
>
> Do badgers wear boots?

No, that's Doc Martens.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

In article <XnsAE7B69442EA84Factura3476@144.76.35.252>, Peter
<myshed@prune.org.uk> on Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 09:20:53 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in
>news:jbtrotFaebkU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 15/04/2022 14:33, Peter wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed. But a lot of nonsense does gets written about foxes,
>>
>> What fox problem?
>>
>
>my point, exactly
>
>> They carry few diseases, stay away from humans as
>> much as possible, and rats are Nom!
>
>I'm not in Lodnol, but I did have a problem with rats which cleared up once
>I started encouraging foxes.

Well we have foxes, cats and bloody rats and mice. I have lost count of
the rats and mice I have trapped. Foxes have easier sources of food,
like left overs left by people who want to encourage foxes. For the last
five years we have been careful about leaving food easily available,
however rats in particular are quite capable of biting their way through
Tupperware.

People do not help by leaving their takeaway left overs lying around.
Even in the litter bins the foxes remove the leftovers and leave them
lying around.

Any food you leave around for foxes is happily scoffed by rats, they are
true omnivores, I used to keep the fancy ones as pets. As a treat I used
to throw six ounces of stewing steak into their cage. There would be a
ball of squeaking fur, pulling at the steak. When it was all gone 10
satisfied rats would give themselves a good clean and pile onto each
other for a well earned satisfied sleep (they are highly social
animals).
>
>> And cats leave much more sh!t
>> lying round than the London foxes.
>
>Our local foxes produce a particularlty malodourous sh!t, but rarely do it
>where it might be trodden on.
>
>>
>> What would help would be rubbish bins they can't tip over and regular
>> clearing of rubbish bags before they get to them, as is done in Paris
>> and other major cities, who clear the rubbish every single night, not
>> twice a month, as our lot do.
>
>When I have been woken in Paris by the early morning clanking of the
>gubbage men it has reminded me of the opening chapter of a dystopian sci-fi
>novel. It might have been Make Room!Make Room.
>

--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

RustyHinge wrote:

> Tone wrote:
>
>> I have occasionally seen feathers where a collared dove used to be.
>
> Very often indicating a sparrowhawk, not a fox.

Or next door's multi-cat.

On 16 Apr 2022 15:52:39 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

>Sweden (Saab,Volvo,etc) had a test for cars before they could be sold
>there, the large deer that live there are tall enough that if one
>appears in front of you on the road, and you hit it, the big part of
>their body will crash through your windshield.

Hence the "moose test", in which one tries to avoid death by moose (not mousse).

"The evasive manoeuvre test (Swedish: Undanmanöverprov; colloquial: moose test
or elk test; Swedish: Älgtest, German: Elchtest) is performed to determine how
well a certain vehicle evades a suddenly appearing obstacle. This test has been
standardized in ISO 3888-2."

Moose: "On average, an adult moose stands 1.4–2.1 m (4 ft 7 in – 6 ft 11 in)
high at the shoulder" ... "Males (or "bulls") normally weigh from 380 to 700 kg"

2 meters and 700 kg is a formidable obstacle.

Thomas Prufer

On 2022-04-16, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> In article <t3em6r$juq$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
> girolle.co.uk> on Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 16:09:15 awoke Nicholas from his
> slumbers and wrote
>>On 16/04/2022 09:19, maus wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-16, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>>> Tone wrote:
>>>>
>
> I was once told to put coal ash in my boots to protect my feet from an
> otter bite. That way the otter would think it was crunching my bones.

That was in what I was told too, but in my instance, it was cinders.
>
> Well, I have never felt otters biting at my feet :-j
>>
>>Do badgers wear boots?
>>
> No but I do.

Walking along a hill once, I could see a badger walking along a path on
the field below,
and a lamb came over to play with it, the badger snapped at the lamb and
bit off the bottom of one leg.

--
greymausg@mail.com
General "Buck" Turgidson; `ten to twenty million killed, tops.'

On 16/04/2022 16:17, RustyHinge wrote:
>>
>> I have occasionally seen feathers where a collared dove used to be.
>
> Very often indicating a sparrowhawk, not a fox

Do sparrowhawks hunt at night?

Tone

On 16/04/2022 17:13, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Andrew Marshall said:
>> On 16/04/2022 11:56, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:12:07 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>>> <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> It is wise to watch where one walks TAAW, as various haminals
>>>> leave their solid calling cards which have to be shovelled up.
>>
>>> Couldn't you just leave a shovel out at nights and ask them to do it
>>> themselves?
>>
>> I wish... at least the cats sometimes make a weak attempt to scrape an
>> 'ole and bury it.
>
> NIMBY, damnit.

But IMBY W have had, maybe still do, CATS, girt big things the size of
elongated Labrador retrievers. (Do the retrieving of game, not of
Labrador...)

Ixabj it's not a myth as I've seen at least two, and know of many other
sightings.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 16/04/2022 17:15, Richard Robinson wrote:
> RustyHinge said:
>> On 16/04/2022 09:19, maus wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-16, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>>> Tone wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road anywhere for
>>>>> that matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>>>>
>>>> I disgoove I've ever seen a live badger, but I'm imagining they don't run very fast?
>>>
>>>
>>> Badgers are very contrary. If you meet them on a country path, step
>>> aside. During WWII people killed them for food, and would put stuff in
>>> their boots to make a noise if the badger got close enough to bite.
>>
>> Do badgers wear boots?
>
> No, that's Doc Martens.

Any relation to Pine Martens?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 2:24:27 PM UTC-5, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 17:15, Richard Robinson wrote:
> > RustyHinge said:
> >> On 16/04/2022 09:19, maus wrote:
> >>> On 2022-04-16, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> >>>> Tone wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road anywhere for
> >>>>> that matter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
> >>>>
> >>>> I disgoove I've ever seen a live badger, but I'm imagining they don't run very fast?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Badgers are very contrary. If you meet them on a country path, step
> >>> aside. During WWII people killed them for food, and would put stuff in
> >>> their boots to make a noise if the badger got close enough to bite.
> >>
> >> Do badgers wear boots?
> >
> > No, that's Doc Martens.
> Any relation to Pine Martens?
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

"We don't need no sticking badgers!"

- The Treasurer of the Sierra Madres.

On 16/04/2022 18:30, Thomas Prufer wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2022 15:52:39 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> Sweden (Saab,Volvo,etc) had a test for cars before they could be sold
>> there, the large deer that live there are tall enough that if one
>> appears in front of you on the road, and you hit it, the big part of
>> their body will crash through your windshield.
>
>
> Hence the "moose test", in which one tries to avoid death by moose (not mousse).
>
> "The evasive manoeuvre test (Swedish: Undanmanöverprov; colloquial: moose test
> or elk test; Swedish: Älgtest, German: Elchtest) is performed to determine how
> well a certain vehicle evades a suddenly appearing obstacle. This test has been
> standardized in ISO 3888-2."
>
> Moose: "On average, an adult moose stands 1.4–2.1 m (4 ft 7 in – 6 ft 11 in)
> high at the shoulder" ... "Males (or "bulls") normally weigh from 380 to 700 kg"
>
> 2 meters and 700 kg is a formidable obstacle.

Sandy, on a visit rom Scotland to his cousin in Canadadadada on being
shewn a moose: "Man! If that's a moose, whit are yer rats like?"

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Thomas Prufer said:
> On 16 Apr 2022 15:52:39 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>>Sweden (Saab,Volvo,etc) had a test for cars before they could be sold
>>there, the large deer that live there are tall enough that if one
>>appears in front of you on the road, and you hit it, the big part of
>>their body will crash through your windshield.
>
>
> Hence the "moose test", in which one tries to avoid death by moose
> (not mousse).
>
> "The evasive manoeuvre test (Swedish: Undanmanöverprov; colloquial:
> moose test or elk test; Swedish: Älgtest, German: Elchtest) is
> performed to determine how well a certain vehicle evades a suddenly
> appearing obstacle. This test has been standardized in ISO 3888-2."
>
> Moose: "On average, an adult moose stands 1.4–2.1 m (4 ft 7 in – 6 ft
> 11 in) high at the shoulder" ... "Males (or "bulls") normally weigh
> from 380 to 700 kg"
>
> 2 meters and 700 kg is a formidable obstacle.

Not fair ! When I took my m/b test I had to make do with an examiner.

The roads in the north of Sweden had some very large red splotches on them.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 16/04/2022 19:48, Tone wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 16:17, RustyHinge wrote:
>>>
>>> I have occasionally seen feathers where a collared dove used to be.
>>
>> Very often indicating a sparrowhawk, not a fox
>
> Do sparrowhawks hunt at night?

Only in the summer at the northernmost of their range.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

RustyHinge said:
> On 16/04/2022 17:15, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> RustyHinge said:
>>> On 16/04/2022 09:19, maus wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-16, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Tone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never seen a dead fox on a London road, and rarely any road
>>>>>> anywhere for that matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They seem to be traffic savvy, unlike badgers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I disgoove I've ever seen a live badger, but I'm imagining they
>>>>> don't run very fast?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Badgers are very contrary. If you meet them on a country path, step
>>>> aside. During WWII people killed them for food, and would put stuff
>>>> in their boots to make a noise if the badger got close enough to
>>>> bite.
>>>
>>> Do badgers wear boots?
>>
>> No, that's Doc Martens.
>
> Any relation to Pine Martens?

That was the idea, yes.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 16/04/2022 20:22, RustyHinge wrote:
> But IMBY W have had, maybe still do, CATS, girt big things the size of
> elongated Labrador retrievers. (Do the retrieving of game, not of
> Labrador...)
>
> Ixabj it's not a myth as I've seen at least two, and know of many other
> sightings.

Several of us saw one loping across a field next to the Basingstoke
Canal whilst cruising eastwards from Greywell some years ago. The shape
of a domestic black cat, the size of a - well - panther.

Tone

In article <t3f7qi$p1r$2@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
girolle.co.uk> on Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 21:09:53 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 16/04/2022 19:48, Tone wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 16:17, RustyHinge wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have occasionally seen feathers where a collared dove used to be.
>>>
>>> Very often indicating a sparrowhawk, not a fox
>>
>> Do sparrowhawks hunt at night?
>
>Only in the summer at the northernmost of their range.
>
Duke of Wellington to Queen Victoria as she complained about sparrows
fuvggvat on her and could anything be done about it: "Try Sparrer'awks
Mam, Sparrer'hawks".
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 16/04/2022 21:09, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Thomas Prufer said:
>> On 16 Apr 2022 15:52:39 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Sweden (Saab,Volvo,etc) had a test for cars before they could be sold
>>> there, the large deer that live there are tall enough that if one
>>> appears in front of you on the road, and you hit it, the big part of
>>> their body will crash through your windshield.
>>
>>
>> Hence the "moose test", in which one tries to avoid death by moose
>> (not mousse).
>>
>> "The evasive manoeuvre test (Swedish: Undanmanöverprov; colloquial:
>> moose test or elk test; Swedish: Älgtest, German: Elchtest) is
>> performed to determine how well a certain vehicle evades a suddenly
>> appearing obstacle. This test has been standardized in ISO 3888-2."
>>
>> Moose: "On average, an adult moose stands 1.4–2.1 m (4 ft 7 in – 6 ft
>> 11 in) high at the shoulder" ... "Males (or "bulls") normally weigh
>> from 380 to 700 kg"
>>
>> 2 meters and 700 kg is a formidable obstacle.
>
> Not fair ! When I took my m/b test I had to make do with an examiner.

One of my fiends ran his examiner over - and passed.

Taking his botormike test riding/driving a botormike and slidecar in the
days when you were just observed and the examiner went from place to
place, the bod was standing on the pavement by the White Hart in
Hornchurch. He said: "When I step forward I want you to do an emergency
stop."

He stepped forward, but it was a wet day, and his feet shotout from
under him and well out into the road. There was no time for Ken to stop,
but he gave the handle bras a twist to the left, raising the slidecar
(as it does, providing it's on the left of the contraption) so that its
wheel only lightly touched the legs of said examiner, who was extremely
apologetic, accepting all the blame, and no doubt thankful that Ken knew
how to drive it.

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Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.