sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 1/27/2022 8:22 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> >> Perhaps for some geeks no. But I'm GUESSING that for 90+ percent of the
> >> population, 128GB is way more than sufficient. And I'm further GUESSING
> >> that in the not too distant future 90+ percent of phones won't have
> >> either a headphone jack or a card slot. Sorry geeks...
> >
> > Well, then we'll have to stick a SSD drive and a Bluetooth receiver to
> > the back of our phones, won't we!?
>
> I put my whole music collection on my phone. 128GB isn't enough. Sure I
> could spend a lot of time adding and deleting content to fit into 128GB
> but that's not how I choose to spend my time.

Indeed, even with 128GB internal storage, a SD-card slot is a nice
thing to have.

My music collection isn't that big and sofar I'm using 'only' 46GB of
my 128GB, but when - if ever - we can travel freely again, my offline
maps might quickly fill up the rest.

Other people might have tons of photos or/and videos, so indeed
different strokes for different folks.

[...]

On 1/27/2022 9:38 AM, AJL wrote:

> I have 4794 songs in 28.6GB in my collection. If I put them all on my
> phone I'd still have 100GB left. Your collection must be very large
> indeed. Again not what most would need on their phones.

A couple of hundred thousand tracks. Sure I could move things off and on
the phone but with a MicroSD card I don't have to bother. It's also
easier to manage the music sticking the memory card into the computer.

>
>> I guess that this would please Apple very much, they'd gladly not
>> take the extra $500 for a 1TB iPhone versus a 128GB iPhone in
>> exchange for recurring subscription revenue.
>
> You forgot to add the Apple group...

LOL, I have no interest in our favorite trolls responding!

BTW, I am about to receive a new 5G phone that I have no real interest
in, as part of a new Xfinity Internet subscription.

Xfinity charges $19.99 for 50 Mb/s, but adding Xfinity Mobile at
$15/month bumps Internet speed up by 12x to 600 Mb/s for a total of
$35.99/month for 24 months. $50 cash back for porting in a number, and a
free 5G phone (or $100 credit). The free phone is nothing special, a
Motorola One 5G Ace, but it does have a MicroSD card slot and a
headphone jack. Even comes with a 10W charger. Actually I have to pay 12
cents per month for the phone and an initial payment of $12.49.

Regular Xfinity price for 600Mb/s is $59.99/month for 12 months, then it
goes up to $90.00/month.

On 1/27/2022 11:02 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

<snip>

> Indeed, even with 128GB internal storage, a SD-card slot is a nice
> thing to have.
>
> My music collection isn't that big and sofar I'm using 'only' 46GB of
> my 128GB, but when - if ever - we can travel freely again, my offline
> maps might quickly fill up the rest.
>
> Other people might have tons of photos or/and videos, so indeed
> different strokes for different folks.

Exactly. Offline maps, photos, and especially videos, take up a lot of
memory. Of course the goal in removing the MicroSD card slot is to lower
costs and encourage the purchases of phones with more internal memory.

The other nice thing about a MicroSD slot is the ability to take a
memory card out of digital camera, put it into the phone, and transfer
photos over Wi-Fi or mobile data. Some cameras have Wi-Fi built in, but
not all of them do.

In article <ssum7j$1akn$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> I put my whole music collection on my phone. 128GB isn't enough.
> >
> > I think you'll agree that that most folks don't do that with their
> > phones and thus can easily live within 128GB, and many (most?) with much
> > much less storage.
>
> Given you now have 128 GB of "stuff" on your phone, if your phone breaks (as
> mine did recently as described elsewhere where the port was broken), how do
> you transfer all your "stuff" from the old phone to the new phone?

restore from backup.

if the phone is not totally dead and can power on, another option is
wirelessly transfer to a new phone.

either way, no card is needed.

In article <ssurg9$kc1$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > I have 4794 songs in 28.6GB in my collection. If I put them all on my
> > phone I'd still have 100GB left. Your collection must be very large
> > indeed. Again not what most would need on their phones.
>
> A couple of hundred thousand tracks. Sure I could move things off and on
> the phone but with a MicroSD card I don't have to bother. It's also
> easier to manage the music sticking the memory card into the computer.

even easier to have the computer to manage it for you automatically,
and that's assuming you actually need to have 'a couple hundred
thousand tracks' always available on a phone.

> >
> >> I guess that this would please Apple very much, they'd gladly not
> >> take the extra $500 for a 1TB iPhone versus a 128GB iPhone in
> >> exchange for recurring subscription revenue.
> >
> > You forgot to add the Apple group...
>
> LOL, I have no interest in our favorite trolls responding!

more accurately, you have no interest in your bogus claims being
refuted, as they regularly are.

In article <ssurmu$lsv$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Offline maps, photos, and especially videos, take up a lot of
> memory.

you claimed to have filled it with a couple hundred thousand tracks of
music, which doesn't leave much room for any other stuff.

> Of course the goal in removing the MicroSD card slot is to lower
> costs and encourage the purchases of phones with more internal memory.

nope. the goal is to make products that sell. manufacturers decide what
features to include based on what people are actually using, not what
fills out a checklist.

> The other nice thing about a MicroSD slot is the ability to take a
> memory card out of digital camera, put it into the phone, and transfer
> photos over Wi-Fi or mobile data. Some cameras have Wi-Fi built in, but
> not all of them do.

most people use their phone instead of carrying a separate camera, but
of those who do use another camera, they normally will put the card in
their laptop rather than a phone. for those who really do want to go
directly to the phone, they can connect a card reader, or transfer via
wifi from the laptop.

Frank Slootweg wrote:
> sms wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> AJL wrote:
>>>> Perhaps for some geeks no. But I'm GUESSING that for 90+ percent of the
>>>> population, 128GB is way more than sufficient. And I'm further GUESSING
>>>> that in the not too distant future 90+ percent of phones won't have
>>>> either a headphone jack or a card slot. Sorry geeks...
>>>
>>> Well, then we'll have to stick a SSD drive and a Bluetooth receiver to
>>> the back of our phones, won't we!?
>>
>> I put my whole music collection on my phone. 128GB isn't enough. Sure I
>> could spend a lot of time adding and deleting content to fit into 128GB
>> but that's not how I choose to spend my time.
>
> Indeed, even with 128GB internal storage, a SD-card slot is a nice
> thing to have.
>
> My music collection isn't that big and sofar I'm using 'only' 46GB of
> my 128GB, but when - if ever - we can travel freely again, my offline
> maps might quickly fill up the rest.
>
> Other people might have tons of photos or/and videos, so indeed
> different strokes for different folks.

If there's no card slot, an OTG 256 GB, 512 GB or 1 TB flash drive
might well be a convenient solution.

-p

On 1/27/2022 12:19 PM, Piet wrote:

<snip>

> If there's no card slot, an OTG 256 GB, 512 GB or 1 TB flash drive
> might well be a convenient solution.

I'd call it an "inconvenient solution," though a tad less expensive.

Costco sell 1TB Sandisk flash drives for $99.99. A 1TB MicroSD card $135
on Amazon.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:39:52 -0500, nospam wrote:

> restore from backup.
>
> if the phone is not totally dead and can power on, another option is
> wirelessly transfer to a new phone.
>
> either way, no card is needed.

Apple's didn't become one of the most profitable companies on the planet by
being stupid, nospam. Apple MARKETING is damn clever indeed.

*Apple decontents phones so that you have to buy that functionality back.*

Given that, I never said there aren't other ways (such as using the iCloud),
which Apple _wants_ you to use (in addition to purchasing far more storage
up front than you want to purchase) - again - which is what Apple wants.

*What Apple does NOT want you to have is a _choice_ to put it on the sdcard*

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:23:53 -0800, sms wrote:

> A couple of hundred thousand tracks. Sure I could move things off and on
> the phone but with a MicroSD card I don't have to bother. It's also
> easier to manage the music sticking the memory card into the computer.

*What you have with the sdcard slot is the _choice_ to put it on the sdcard*

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:39:55 -0500, nospam wrote:

> even easier to have the computer to manage it for you automatically,
> and that's assuming you actually need to have 'a couple hundred
> thousand tracks' always available on a phone.

*What Apple does NOT want you to have is a _choice_ to put it on the sdcard*

On 27 Jan 2022 19:02:28 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Indeed, even with 128GB internal storage, a SD-card slot is a nice
> thing to have.

The sdcard gives you _choices_ that you don't have without it.

You have a _choice_ of a $50 SanDisk Extreme 400GB microSD Card with Adapter
Costco Item 4005050Model SDSQXA1-400G-ACDMA
<https://www.costco.com/sandisk-extreme-400gb-microsd-card-with-adapter.product.100797127.html>

> My music collection isn't that big and sofar I'm using 'only' 46GB of
> my 128GB, but when - if ever - we can travel freely again, my offline
> maps might quickly fill up the rest.
>
> Other people might have tons of photos or/and videos, so indeed
> different strokes for different folks.

With a 2 pack, you have the _choice_ of storing stuff until the card fills;
then, pop it out and pop in a new card and store even more stuff at will.

$30 Costco2-Pack 256GB SanDisk microSDXC Card set (with adapter).
<https://slickdeals.net/f/15589114-select-costco-locations-2-pack-256gb-sandisk-microsdxc-card-30-in-store-only>

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:27:25 -0800, sms wrote:

> the goal in removing the MicroSD card slot is to lower
> costs and encourage the purchases of phones with more internal memory.

While it _must_ decrease costs, has anyone _ever_ seen those decreased costs
passed on to the consumer?

Otherwise, sdcard removal only increases profits.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:39:57 -0500, nospam wrote:

> nope. the goal is to make products that sell.

nope. The goal is to make a profit.
Apple, by all accounts, does admirably at achieving that goal.

Apple decontents phones, each and every year, one by one, piece by piece.
Why do you think Apple does that, nospam?

Why?

On 27 Jan 2022, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in
comp.mobile.android:

> My music collection isn't that big and sofar I'm using 'only' 46GB
> of my 128GB, but when - if ever - we can travel freely again, my
> offline maps might quickly fill up the rest.
>
> Other people might have tons of photos or/and videos, so indeed
> different strokes for different folks.

I keep a (currently) 49 GB subset of my digital music collection in mp3
format on my phone. That represents over 543 hours of music. That's
more than plenty. I really don't want everything in my master
collection on the phone. Some of that stuff is not necessarily there
for its listening value and I don't want it coming up in everyday
rotation.

In article <ssv2iv$1agk$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> > restore from backup.
> >
> > if the phone is not totally dead and can power on, another option is
> > wirelessly transfer to a new phone.
> >
> > either way, no card is needed.
>
> Apple's didn't become one of the most profitable companies on the planet by
> being stupid, nospam. Apple MARKETING is damn clever indeed.
>
> *Apple decontents phones so that you have to buy that functionality back.*
>
> Given that, I never said there aren't other ways (such as using the iCloud),
> which Apple _wants_ you to use (in addition to purchasing far more storage
> up front than you want to purchase) - again - which is what Apple wants.

icloud is not required for backups or for transferring content. it can
all be done locally, if that's what the user wants.

for those who do want to use the cloud, microsoft and google also have
paid options, as to third parties (dropbox, etc.)
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/onedrive/compare-onedrive-
plans>
<https://one.google.com/about/plans>

this has been explained to you many times. why do you continue to
ignore it, other than to continue trolling?

> *What Apple does NOT want you to have is a _choice_ to put it on the sdcard*

false, apple offers choices that are far more efficient and easier to
use than sd cards, some of which are available on android and some
which are not.

why do you insist on using one of the most primitive methods possible
when better options exist, even on android, other than being stubborn
and a troll?

In article <ssv3ci$1lsc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> Apple decontents phones, each and every year, one by one, piece by piece.

that is very much false.

like other companies, what apple does is *add* new features every year,
often multiple times during the year, features that people actually
want.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:36:42 -0500, nospam wrote:

> false, apple offers choices that are far more efficient and easier to
> use than sd cards, some of which are available on android and some
> which are not.

Apple's decontenting strategy will never stop until Apple customers wise up.

*The fact remains Apple consistently decontents phones, year by year.*
*The reason Apple does that is to force you to buy that content back.*

Apple originally (un)contented the sdcard slot, nospam.
Later, Apple "courageously" decontented the headphone jack.
Recently Apple decontented the charger in the box ("for the kids").

Apple's strategy is crystal clear to well educated intelligent people, nospam.
The more Apple can successfully decontent, the fewer choices you will have.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:36:43 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Apple decontents phones, each and every year, one by one, piece by piece.
>
> that is very much false.

Where is the sdcard slot in iPhones, nospam?

And where is the headphone jack Apple "courageously" decontented, nospam?

And a charger in the box which Apple recently decontented ("for the kids")?

Where are they nospam?
--
HINT: My _free_ Samsung came with all three of those "choices".

On 2022-01-27 6:36 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:36:42 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> false, apple offers choices that are far more efficient and easier to
>> use than sd cards, some of which are available on android and some
>> which are not.
>
> Apple's decontenting strategy will never stop until Apple customers wise up.

Where you simply assume that anyone who doesn't agree with your choices
cannot possibly be wise...

>
> *The fact remains Apple consistently decontents phones, year by year.*
> *The reason Apple does that is to force you to buy that content back.*

Nope. That is complete bullshit.

sms wrote:
> Piet wrote:

>> If there's no card slot, an OTG 256 GB, 512 GB or 1 TB flash drive
>> might well be a convenient solution.

> I'd call it an "inconvenient solution," though a tad less expensive.

My phone's apps list counts 78. It also says I have 93GB of storage left.

This 3+ year old Chromebook I'm posting with has 52 Android apps
installed plus its own Chrome OS stuff. It shows 43.3 GB available out
of 64GB storage. And in all that time I've used it, I've never (gasp)
needed to plug in an SD card even though it has a slot. Most of us
non-geeks just don't need all that room.

BTW I was disappointed to find that my new toy (an IdeaPad Chrome OS
tablet) has a processor that's incompatible with the CrossOver Windows
emulator that I'm using to run the Windows SeaMonkey app on this
old Chromebook. The tablet says it runs the equivalent of Android 9. Yet the
2 Android newsreaders I have are both buggy on it. So I'm looking around
for an Android newsreader that might work. Unfortunately the tablet
doesn't allow sideloading unless I'm in developers mode and that needs a
complete wipe and destroys the security. So I will wait awhile before
being that drastic but I may eventually do it anyway. Also the tablet is
capable of running Linux apps which I haven't tried yet. That may be
another way to go. New toys are fun...

On 2022-01-27 6:41 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:36:43 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>>> Apple decontents phones, each and every year, one by one, piece by piece.
>>
>> that is very much false.
>
> Where is the sdcard slot in iPhones, nospam?

It was never there...

....so it can't have been "decontented".

>
> And where is the headphone jack Apple "courageously" decontented, nospam?

Replaced by a Lightning connector which does the same job.

>
> And a charger in the box which Apple recently decontented ("for the kids")?

Removed to save waste and cost to the consumer to buy something again
that they already own.

I have... ...3... ..4... ...chargers for iPhones / iPads that I've
acquired over the years.

>
> Where are they nospam?

In article <ssvnpa$hir$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

> >
> > And where is the headphone jack Apple "courageously" decontented, nospam?
>
> Replaced by a Lightning connector which does the same job.

and does a much better job, one that's significantly more reliable and
also supports higher quality audio than is possible with analog.

> > And a charger in the box which Apple recently decontented ("for the kids")?
>
> Removed to save waste and cost to the consumer to buy something again
> that they already own.
>
> I have... ...3... ..4... ...chargers for iPhones / iPads that I've
> acquired over the years.

only 4 chargers?

i have at least a dozen of them from a variety of products. i do not
need nor want more. most of them have never been removed from the
original box.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 20:25:36 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> I'd call it an "inconvenient solution," though a tad less expensive.
>
> My phone's apps list counts 78.

Mine is over 1,600. <https://i.postimg.cc/bN875p8b/apk01.jpg>

> It also says I have 93GB of storage left.

What AJL doesn't seem to comprehend is the sdcard isn't about "storage".
*It's about _choice_.*

> This 3+ year old Chromebook I'm posting with has 52 Android apps
> installed plus its own Chrome OS stuff.

As just one example of choice, if AJL wanted to put those 78 apps on another
phone, he simply doesn't have the choice of just swapping out the sdcard.

It's not about storage; it's about _choice_.

> It shows 43.3 GB available out
> of 64GB storage. And in all that time I've used it, I've never (gasp)
> needed to plug in an SD card even though it has a slot. Most of us
> non-geeks just don't need all that room.

It's not about storage. It's about choice.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 22:35:27 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Replaced by a Lightning connector which does the same job.
>
> and does a much better job, one that's significantly more reliable and
> also supports higher quality audio than is possible with analog.

It's not about which does a better job since they do _different_ jobs.
*It's about choice*

Apple, year by year, one by one, decontents their iPhone, inexorably so.
*They do that to limit your choice*

> i have at least a dozen of them from a variety of products. i do not
> need nor want more. most of them have never been removed from the
> original box.

The fact is that Apple has _never_ shipped the correct iPhone 11+ charger in
_any_ iPhone that Apple ever made - so you didn't get a charger that way.

Brazil asked Apple to put in writing they'll honor their warranty if someone
uses a non-Apple charger or the wrong Apple charger - and Apple wouldn't
defend their own warranty in writing.

If you use _any_ other charger than the expensive Apple charger that did
_not_ come in any Apple iPhone box in the entire _history_ of Apple...

Then you're fucked.