Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
>> Michael Trew wrote

>>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't have
>>> a
>>> large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth
>>> it.
>>> As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the cashier a
>>> death-glance when she started on the typical credit card sales spiel "I
>>> see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get far less
>>> aggravated
>>> just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>>
>> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card or
>> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
>> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>>
>> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
>> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
>> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
>> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.
>>
>> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
>> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
>> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
>> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>
>
> That's a very good idea. They should.
>
> But in my opinion, the use of cash is going away. I almost never use
> it anymore,

I only use cash anymore at garage/yard sales.

While I can pay anyone with a cellphone number,
it isn't worth trying to convince the seller that that
is just as good as cash and it isn't as convenient
for the seller as cash anyway unless they have
set it up already themselves. And they can't use
the payment as change for other buyers either.

> and my guess is that it won't be too many years before
> cash is gone as a method of payment.

It will be interesting to watch. It's close to that in china
now. Even buying say a roll of toilet paper or a bottle of
water at a tiny hole in the wall stall near your house isn't
done with cash anymore, they use WeChat on their phone.

On 2/5/2022 11:39 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

> Speaking of credit or debit cards, I never use debit cards. I
> greatly prefer credit cards.

Me too. The only thing I ever use my debit card for is to stop by the
ATM and get some cash... ;)

On 2/5/2022 8:47, sms wrote:
> On 2/4/2022 7:57 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't have
>> a large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth
>> it. As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the
>> cashier a death-glance when she started on the typical credit card
>> sales spiel "I see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get
>> far less aggravated just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>
> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card or
> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>
> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.

It took me about 15 seconds to count it and hand my money to the cashier.

> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>
> Some of the Costco food courts stopped taking cash completely. For a
> while they had eight self-order kiosks but they still had one worker who
> could take cash. Now if you want to pay cash you have to go to a regular
> store checkout line and place your order. And of course the Costco gas
> station has never taken cash. It's also sped things up now that you can
> just scan your Citibank Costco card to both verify your membership and pay.

Yes, that's why I don't buy fuel there. My Sams Club is in Pennsylvania
anyway, and gas is cheaper either way where I live in Ohio.

> The savings at Costco are not just the lower prices on many items, it's
> the included warranties. A television, refrigerator, dishwasher,
> computer, etc., comes with a four year warranty if you pay with your
> Citibank Costco Visa card. I've saved many years of membership fees with
> those warranties.

Eh, you and I aren't on the same level; I'm used to that, though. I've
never looked at a warranty. My refrigerator is a Westinghouse built in
1942 (my only refrigerator). I do intend for it to last forever, or at
least pretty close.

https://postimg.cc/wRdGMTGk

TV has most of my appliances beat, a circa 1992 wooden console RCA TV.
I'll be disappointed if that one goes out, but I do have a 19" 1960's
B&W TV in cellar storage ;)

The best part is: I paid nothing, or next to nothing, for all of my
appliances. I think I gave the old guy $10 for the console TV, maybe.
Wooden cabinet was in immaculate shape, and the remote control still works.

On 2/5/2022 11:23, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 05:47:15 -0800, sms<scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/4/2022 7:57 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't have a
>>> large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth it.
>>> As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the cashier a
>>> death-glance when she started on the typical credit card sales spiel "I
>>> see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get far less aggravated
>>> just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>>
>> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card or
>> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
>> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>>
>> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
>> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
>> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
>> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.
>>
>> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
>> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
>> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
>> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>
> That's a very good idea. They should.
>
> But in my opinion, the use of cash is going away. I almost never use
> it anymore, and my guess is that it won't be too many years before
> cash is gone as a method of payment.

Over my cold, dead body.

>> The savings at Costco are not just the lower prices on many items, it's
>> the included warranties. A television, refrigerator, dishwasher,
>> computer, etc., comes with a four year warranty if you pay with your
>> Citibank Costco Visa card. I've saved many years of membership fees with
>> those warranties.
>
> I save the cost of membership just buying gas at Costco.

Still costs me 25 cents per gallon more for fuel (conservatively
estimating) at the big box store. I live over the Ohio border, and it's
way cheaper on my side than PA state.

On 02/05/2022 10:39 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

> I especially never want to use cash when I'm in a foreign country. If
> I get some cash, I'm invariably left with some when I return home, and
> it will be useless unless I ever visit the same country again. Even if
> do revisit the same country, it may be useless; I still have some
> Italian Lire.

Our Mexican dentist gives a 10% discount for cash. Pretty much every
place in Tijuana can sell and make change with American money.

2% back with the credit card is like bending over to pick up free money.
No trouble, and every little bit helps.

--
Cheers, Bev
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote
themselves largess out of the public treasury."
-- Alexander Tyler (Unverified)

On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:20:26 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

>On 2/5/2022 8:47, sms wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 7:57 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't have
>>> a large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth
>>> it. As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the
>>> cashier a death-glance when she started on the typical credit card
>>> sales spiel "I see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get
>>> far less aggravated just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>>
>> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card or
>> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
>> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>>
>> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
>> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
>> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
>> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.
>
>It took me about 15 seconds to count it and hand my money to the cashier.
>
>> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
>> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
>> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
>> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>>
>> Some of the Costco food courts stopped taking cash completely. For a
>> while they had eight self-order kiosks but they still had one worker who
>> could take cash. Now if you want to pay cash you have to go to a regular
>> store checkout line and place your order. And of course the Costco gas
>> station has never taken cash. It's also sped things up now that you can
>> just scan your Citibank Costco card to both verify your membership and pay.
>
>Yes, that's why I don't buy fuel there. My Sams Club is in Pennsylvania
>anyway, and gas is cheaper either way where I live in Ohio.
>
>> The savings at Costco are not just the lower prices on many items, it's
>> the included warranties. A television, refrigerator, dishwasher,
>> computer, etc., comes with a four year warranty if you pay with your
>> Citibank Costco Visa card. I've saved many years of membership fees with
>> those warranties.
>
>Eh, you and I aren't on the same level; I'm used to that, though. I've
>never looked at a warranty. My refrigerator is a Westinghouse built in
>1942 (my only refrigerator). I do intend for it to last forever, or at
>least pretty close.

80 years already! That's very close to forever. 1942 refrigerators
lasted a long time. If it ever dies and you get a new one, you'll be
very disappointed to find out that these days you should expect to
replace a refrigerator every ten years or so.

Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote
> Ken Blake wrote
>> sms<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
>>> Michael Trew wrote

>>>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't
>>>> have a
>>>> large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth
>>>> it.
>>>> As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the cashier
>>>> a
>>>> death-glance when she started on the typical credit card sales spiel
>>>> "I
>>>> see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get far less
>>>> aggravated
>>>> just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>>>
>>> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card
>>> or
>>> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
>>> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>>>
>>> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
>>> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
>>> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
>>> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.
>>>
>>> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
>>> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
>>> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
>>> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>>
>> That's a very good idea. They should.
>>
>> But in my opinion, the use of cash is going away. I almost never use
>> it anymore, and my guess is that it won't be too many years before
>> cash is gone as a method of payment.
>
> Over my cold, dead body.

Likely will be when no one will sell you any food when all you have is
cash.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:02:43 +1100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:20:26 -0500, Michael Trew
> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/5/2022 8:47, sms wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2022 7:57 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't have
>>>> a large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth
>>>> it. As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the
>>>> cashier a death-glance when she started on the typical credit card
>>>> sales spiel "I see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get
>>>> far less aggravated just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>>>
>>> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card
>>> or
>>> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
>>> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>>>
>>> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
>>> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
>>> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
>>> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.
>>
>> It took me about 15 seconds to count it and hand my money to the
>> cashier.
>>
>>> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
>>> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
>>> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
>>> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>>>
>>> Some of the Costco food courts stopped taking cash completely. For a
>>> while they had eight self-order kiosks but they still had one worker
>>> who
>>> could take cash. Now if you want to pay cash you have to go to a
>>> regular
>>> store checkout line and place your order. And of course the Costco gas
>>> station has never taken cash. It's also sped things up now that you can
>>> just scan your Citibank Costco card to both verify your membership and
>>> pay.
>>
>> Yes, that's why I don't buy fuel there. My Sams Club is in Pennsylvania
>> anyway, and gas is cheaper either way where I live in Ohio.
>>
>>> The savings at Costco are not just the lower prices on many items, it's
>>> the included warranties. A television, refrigerator, dishwasher,
>>> computer, etc., comes with a four year warranty if you pay with your
>>> Citibank Costco Visa card. I've saved many years of membership fees
>>> with
>>> those warranties.
>>
>> Eh, you and I aren't on the same level; I'm used to that, though. I've
>> never looked at a warranty. My refrigerator is a Westinghouse built in
>> 1942 (my only refrigerator). I do intend for it to last forever, or at
>> least pretty close.
>
> 80 years already! That's very close to forever. 1942 refrigerators
> lasted a long time.

Mine still works fine. I no longer use it because it has a tiny
little frosen food thing that is really only big enough for a big
icecream container and it's stupid having to manually defrost it.

> If it ever dies and you get a new one, you'll be
> very disappointed to find out that these days you should expect to
> replace a refrigerator every ten years or so.

What I use now has lasted longer than that with no failures at all
and never needs defrosting is is much bigger than the old one.
Separate vastly bigger pigeon pair dedicated freezer which also
has never failed and never needs defrosting and doesnt ice up
the frosen food like the bar fridge sized manual defrost freezers
I also still have but dont use anymore.

Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:20:26 -0500, Michael Trew
> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/5/2022 8:47, sms wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2022 7:57 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't have
>>>> a large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth
>>>> it. As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the
>>>> cashier a death-glance when she started on the typical credit card
>>>> sales spiel "I see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get
>>>> far less aggravated just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>>>
>>> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card or
>>> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
>>> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>>>
>>> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
>>> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
>>> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
>>> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.
>>
>> It took me about 15 seconds to count it and hand my money to the cashier.
>>
>>> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
>>> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
>>> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
>>> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>>>
>>> Some of the Costco food courts stopped taking cash completely. For a
>>> while they had eight self-order kiosks but they still had one worker who
>>> could take cash. Now if you want to pay cash you have to go to a regular
>>> store checkout line and place your order. And of course the Costco gas
>>> station has never taken cash. It's also sped things up now that you can
>>> just scan your Citibank Costco card to both verify your membership and pay.
>>
>> Yes, that's why I don't buy fuel there. My Sams Club is in Pennsylvania
>> anyway, and gas is cheaper either way where I live in Ohio.
>>
>>> The savings at Costco are not just the lower prices on many items, it's
>>> the included warranties. A television, refrigerator, dishwasher,
>>> computer, etc., comes with a four year warranty if you pay with your
>>> Citibank Costco Visa card. I've saved many years of membership fees with
>>> those warranties.
>>
>> Eh, you and I aren't on the same level; I'm used to that, though. I've
>> never looked at a warranty. My refrigerator is a Westinghouse built in
>> 1942 (my only refrigerator). I do intend for it to last forever, or at
>> least pretty close.
>
> 80 years already! That's very close to forever. 1942 refrigerators
> lasted a long time. If it ever dies and you get a new one, you'll be
> very disappointed to find out that these days you should expect to
> replace a refrigerator every ten years or so.
>

Damn, you got one that lasted 10 whole years?

On 2/5/2022 12:08 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 2/5/2022 11:39 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> Speaking of credit or debit cards, I never use debit cards. I
>> greatly prefer credit cards.
>
> Me too. The only thing I ever use my debit card for is to stop by the
> ATM and get some cash...  ;)

Yes, debit cards should generally be avoided since they are less secure
and don't offer the same federally mandated consumer protections.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 11:51:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:02:43 +1100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:20:26 -0500, Michael Trew
>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/5/2022 8:47, sms wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2022 7:57 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't have
>>>>> a large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth
>>>>> it. As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the
>>>>> cashier a death-glance when she started on the typical credit card
>>>>> sales spiel "I see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get
>>>>> far less aggravated just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>>>>
>>>> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card
>>>> or
>>>> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
>>>> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>>>>
>>>> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
>>>> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
>>>> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
>>>> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.
>>>
>>> It took me about 15 seconds to count it and hand my money to the
>>> cashier.
>>>
>>>> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
>>>> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
>>>> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
>>>> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the Costco food courts stopped taking cash completely. For a
>>>> while they had eight self-order kiosks but they still had one worker
>>>> who
>>>> could take cash. Now if you want to pay cash you have to go to a
>>>> regular
>>>> store checkout line and place your order. And of course the Costco gas
>>>> station has never taken cash. It's also sped things up now that you can
>>>> just scan your Citibank Costco card to both verify your membership and
>>>> pay.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's why I don't buy fuel there. My Sams Club is in Pennsylvania
>>> anyway, and gas is cheaper either way where I live in Ohio.
>>>
>>>> The savings at Costco are not just the lower prices on many items, it's
>>>> the included warranties. A television, refrigerator, dishwasher,
>>>> computer, etc., comes with a four year warranty if you pay with your
>>>> Citibank Costco Visa card. I've saved many years of membership fees
>>>> with
>>>> those warranties.
>>>
>>> Eh, you and I aren't on the same level; I'm used to that, though. I've
>>> never looked at a warranty. My refrigerator is a Westinghouse built in
>>> 1942 (my only refrigerator). I do intend for it to last forever, or at
>>> least pretty close.
>>
>> 80 years already! That's very close to forever. 1942 refrigerators
>> lasted a long time.
>
>Mine still works fine. I no longer use it because it has a tiny
>little frosen food thing that is really only big enough for a big
>icecream container and it's stupid having to manually defrost it.
>
>> If it ever dies and you get a new one, you'll be
>> very disappointed to find out that these days you should expect to
>> replace a refrigerator every ten years or so.
>
>What I use now has lasted longer than that with no failures at all
>and never needs defrosting is is much bigger than the old one.
>Separate vastly bigger pigeon pair dedicated freezer which also
>has never failed and never needs defrosting and doesnt ice up
>the frosen food like the bar fridge sized manual defrost freezers
>I also still have but dont use anymore.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 11:51:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:02:43 +1100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:20:26 -0500, Michael Trew
>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/5/2022 8:47, sms wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2022 7:57 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Similar pushes at Sams Club. I suppose I save money, but I don't have
>>>>> a large family to buy for; typically just me, so it really isn't worth
>>>>> it. As I normally do, I paid in cash last time, and I gave the
>>>>> cashier a death-glance when she started on the typical credit card
>>>>> sales spiel "I see that you're using cash; did you know...?" I get
>>>>> far less aggravated just shopping at a normal grocery store.
>>>>
>>>> Cash is pretty rare at Costco these days. The self-checkouts are card
>>>> or
>>>> phone only, and of course you don't get the 2-3% back on purchases when
>>>> you pay cash and that can really add up at Costco.
>>>>
>>>> Cash also slows the checkout process but so few people still pay cash
>>>> that it's not a big deal. I did get stuck behind someone paying cash a
>>>> couple of weeks ago. Deep breath as he counts out the bills and coins
>>>> and the cashier counts the bills and coins.
>>>
>>> It took me about 15 seconds to count it and hand my money to the
>>> cashier.
>>>
>>>> It would be nice if they designated one staffed line that accepted cash
>>>> and then didn't take cash at all the other lines. It would greatly
>>>> reduce the lag time when they change cashiers, as well as reduce the
>>>> time needed to count the contents of the register.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the Costco food courts stopped taking cash completely. For a
>>>> while they had eight self-order kiosks but they still had one worker
>>>> who
>>>> could take cash. Now if you want to pay cash you have to go to a
>>>> regular
>>>> store checkout line and place your order. And of course the Costco gas
>>>> station has never taken cash. It's also sped things up now that you can
>>>> just scan your Citibank Costco card to both verify your membership and
>>>> pay.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's why I don't buy fuel there. My Sams Club is in Pennsylvania
>>> anyway, and gas is cheaper either way where I live in Ohio.
>>>
>>>> The savings at Costco are not just the lower prices on many items, it's
>>>> the included warranties. A television, refrigerator, dishwasher,
>>>> computer, etc., comes with a four year warranty if you pay with your
>>>> Citibank Costco Visa card. I've saved many years of membership fees
>>>> with
>>>> those warranties.
>>>
>>> Eh, you and I aren't on the same level; I'm used to that, though. I've
>>> never looked at a warranty. My refrigerator is a Westinghouse built in
>>> 1942 (my only refrigerator). I do intend for it to last forever, or at
>>> least pretty close.
>>
>> 80 years already! That's very close to forever. 1942 refrigerators
>> lasted a long time.
>
>Mine still works fine. I no longer use it because it has a tiny
>little frosen food thing that is really only big enough for a big
>icecream container and it's stupid having to manually defrost it.
>
>> If it ever dies and you get a new one, you'll be
>> very disappointed to find out that these days you should expect to
>> replace a refrigerator every ten years or so.
>
>What I use now has lasted longer than that with no failures at all
>and never needs defrosting is is much bigger than the old one.
>Separate vastly bigger pigeon pair dedicated freezer which also
>has never failed and never needs defrosting and doesnt ice up
>the frosen food like the bar fridge sized manual defrost freezers
>I also still have but dont use anymore.

I moved into this house 29 years ago, when it was new and had a brand
new refrigerator. I'm on my third refrigerator now, and this one's ice
dispenser on the door no longer works. I expect to need a new one
soon.

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The Samsung Galaxy A13 5G is certified for AT&T's newly enabled C-band
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Main cameras are a 50-megapixel at f/1.8 joined by a 2-megapixel macro and
depth sensors.

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