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* Good $200 Android phone pleaseAndy Burnelli
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 by: nospam - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 04:07 UTC

In article <ssvpgk$13qg$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> >> Replaced by a Lightning connector which does the same job.
> >
> > and does a much better job, one that's significantly more reliable and
> > also supports higher quality audio than is possible with analog.
>
> It's not about which does a better job since they do _different_ jobs.

nope. the headphones plug into the phone just like they always have.

the fact that it now uses a more reliable and more capable connector is
a *good* thing.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 04:07 UTC

In article <ssvp83$119h$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> >
> > My phone's apps list counts 78.
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> Mine is over 1,600. <https://i.postimg.cc/bN875p8b/apk01.jpg>

all of them on the phone at one time??

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 by: Alan - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 04:28 UTC

On 2022-01-27 7:51 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 20:25:36 -0700, AJL wrote:
>
>>> I'd call it an "inconvenient solution," though a tad less expensive.
>>
>> My phone's apps list counts 78.
>
> Mine is over 1,600. <https://i.postimg.cc/bN875p8b/apk01.jpg>

Then you have 1,550 you don't really use.

>
>> It also says I have 93GB of storage left.
>
> What AJL doesn't seem to comprehend is the sdcard isn't about "storage".
> *It's about _choice_.*
>
>> This 3+ year old Chromebook I'm posting with has 52 Android apps
>> installed plus its own Chrome OS stuff.
>
> As just one example of choice, if AJL wanted to put those 78 apps on another
> phone, he simply doesn't have the choice of just swapping out the sdcard.
>
> It's not about storage; it's about _choice_.
>
>> It shows 43.3 GB available out
>> of 64GB storage. And in all that time I've used it, I've never (gasp)
>> needed to plug in an SD card even though it has a slot. Most of us
>> non-geeks just don't need all that room.
>
> It's not about storage. It's about choice.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 04:33 UTC

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 23:07:48 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> It's not about which does a better job since they do _different_ jobs.
>
> nope. the headphones plug into the phone just like they always have.
>
> the fact that it now uses a more reliable and more capable connector is
> a *good* thing.

You can fabricate excuses for each & every _decontenting_ that Apple does.

But that doesn't change the obvious fact Apple inexorably _decontents_ the
iphone, year by year, item by item... each time _removing another choice_.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 04:44 UTC

On 2022-01-27 8:33 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 23:07:48 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>>> It's not about which does a better job since they do _different_ jobs.
>>
>> nope. the headphones plug into the phone just like they always have.
>>
>> the fact that it now uses a more reliable and more capable connector is
>> a *good* thing.
>
> You can fabricate excuses for each & every _decontenting_ that Apple does.
>
> But that doesn't change the obvious fact Apple inexorably _decontents_ the
> iphone, year by year, item by item... each time _removing another choice_.

It doesn't change the obvious fact that you called the lack of an SD
card slot "decontenting" by Apple...

....when no iPhone ever had one to begin with.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 04:56 UTC

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 23:07:49 -0500, nospam wrote:

>>> My phone's apps list counts 78.
>>
>> Mine is over 1,600. <https://i.postimg.cc/bN875p8b/apk01.jpg>
>
> all of them on the phone at one time??

The sdcard gives you _choice_ of removable private storage, nospam.
Not only removable, but portable to _every_ phone with sdcard slots, nospam.

*It's a _choice_ that Apple doesn't provide*; so you can't comprehend it.
The fact is it's my _choice_ what I do with my sdcard slot on all my phones.

1. In this specific example, it's my _choice_ to extract APKs to the sdcard.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zBjX5kJ/aurora09.jpg>
2. It's also my _choice_ to download and _not delete_ the APKs post install.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5kdD2rg/aurora04.jpg>
3. It's also my _choice_ to use the same sdcard & APKs on different phones.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwKwyBf8/migration03.jpg>

These are basic _choices_ that you don't have with Apple iPhones, nospam.
Apple decontents iPhones so as to eliminate those choices from your options.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:43 UTC

In article <ssvt1f$2v5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> >>> My phone's apps list counts 78.
> >>
> >> Mine is over 1,600. <https://i.postimg.cc/bN875p8b/apk01.jpg>
> >
> > all of them on the phone at one time??
>
> The sdcard gives you _choice_ of removable private storage, nospam.

in other words, no.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 16:26 UTC

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> sms wrote:
> > Piet wrote:
>
> >> If there's no card slot, an OTG 256 GB, 512 GB or 1 TB flash drive
> >> might well be a convenient solution.
>
> > I'd call it an "inconvenient solution," though a tad less expensive.
>
> My phone's apps list counts 78. It also says I have 93GB of storage left.
>
> This 3+ year old Chromebook I'm posting with has 52 Android apps
> installed plus its own Chrome OS stuff. It shows 43.3 GB available out
> of 64GB storage. And in all that time I've used it, I've never (gasp)
> needed to plug in an SD card even though it has a slot. Most of us
> non-geeks just don't need all that room.
>
> BTW I was disappointed to find that my new toy (an IdeaPad Chrome OS
> tablet) has a processor that's incompatible with the CrossOver Windows
> emulator that I'm using to run the Windows SeaMonkey app on this
> old Chromebook. The tablet says it runs the equivalent of Android 9. Yet the
> 2 Android newsreaders I have are both buggy on it. So I'm looking around
> for an Android newsreader that might work. Unfortunately the tablet
> doesn't allow sideloading unless I'm in developers mode and that needs a
> complete wipe and destroys the security. So I will wait awhile before
> being that drastic but I may eventually do it anyway. Also the tablet is
> capable of running Linux apps which I haven't tried yet. That may be
> another way to go. New toys are fun...

With all these toys, OSs, tools, etc., what on earth makes you think
that you're a "non-geek"! :-) Pull the other one!

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 by: AJL - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 16:49 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 20:25:36 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> This 3+ year old Chromebook I'm posting with has 52 Android apps
>> installed plus its own Chrome OS stuff.

> As just one example of choice, if AJL wanted to put those 78 apps on
> another phone, he simply doesn't have the choice of just swapping out
> the sdcard.

When I got my new Android phone 2+ years ago it was easy to copy the old
phone to the new phone. It was virtually automatic. Same with the wife's
iPhone. No slot needed.

With my new IdeaPad Chrome tablet it was also automatic. When I signed
into my account for the first time all my apps from this old Chromebook
were copied over. No slot needed.

>> It shows 43.3 GB available out of 64GB storage. And in all that
>> time I've used it, I've never (gasp) needed to plug in an SD card
>> even though it has a slot.

I also have an additional 100GB in the cloud. With the Chromebooks it's
automatically incorporated into their internal Files app. So my slotless
new tablet currently has 130GB free and available. Likewise this old
Chromebook shows 73GB free and available. It's unlikely I'll ever use
much of it. So no slot needed.

> It's not about storage.

You mean transferring files to another device the hard way? I do have a
USB-C to slot dongle if needed but I have seldom needed to use it.
Bottom line: YMMV. Though slots are leaving MOST devices, likely you
will always be able to find a phone with one for awhile yet. After all
there are still phones available with removable batteries...

> It's about choice.

So the anti-vaxxers say... 8-O

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 by: AJL - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 16:49 UTC

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> With all these toys, OSs, tools, etc., what on earth makes you [AJL]
> think that you're a "non-geek"! :-) Pull the other one!

I was a pretty good technician in the vacuum tube days but not so much
now. I just looked up the definition of geek: Engage in or discuss
computer-related tasks obsessively or with great attention to technical
detail. So perhaps I meet the obsessively part but not so much the technical
detail part... ;)

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 17:00 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:49:58 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>> With all these toys, OSs, tools, etc., what on earth makes you [AJL]
>> think that you're a "non-geek"! :-) Pull the other one!
>
>I was a pretty good technician in the vacuum tube days but not so much
>now. I just looked up the definition of geek: Engage in or discuss
>computer-related tasks obsessively or with great attention to technical
>detail. So perhaps I meet the obsessively part but not so much the technical
>detail part... ;)

If you want the original definition, it was someone who worked in
circus side shows, biting the heads off live chickens.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 17:56 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:43:20 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> The sdcard gives you _choice_ of removable private storage, nospam.
>
> in other words, no.

*The concept of _portable private storage_ is completely foreign to iKooks.*

1. Homescreen folder APKs are stored on a common sdcard for _all_ phones.
<https://i.postimg.cc/1zK34xRf/apk11.jpg>
2. When downloading (not on Google Play) the APK is saved to the sdcard.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5kdD2rg/aurora04.jpg>
3. And when installing (from Google Play) the APK is saved to the sdcard.
<https://i.postimg.cc/sx1X6hXh/apk09.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/3rbWynSC/apk10.jpg>

All APKs are organized on portable sdcard the same way they're installed.
{time,telecom,buy,file,net,web,nature,map,pic,audio,vid,todo,editor,etc.}

It's the same way I keep my Windows hierarchy extremely well organized:
<https://i.postimg.cc/D0J1tgDZ/windows-tweak.jpg>

a. All program installers get saved in the same hierarchy for all PCs
C:\installers\{archiver,browser,cleaner,databases,editor,finance,game,etc.}
b. They are installed into the same application hierarchy for all PCs
C:\apps\{archiver,browser,cleaner,databases,editor,finance,game,etc.}
c. And the menus are maintained to perfectly match the same hierarchy.
C:\menus\{archiver,browser,cleaner,databases,editor,finance,game,etc.}

As with Android homescreen folders, the Windows menus are exact copies from
WinXP days (with some improvements over time). The _exact_ menus mind you.

This kind of efficiency is impossible with Apple because of lack of choice.
*All devices get the _same_ installation files (no matter who owns them!)*

Even the dozen web browsers are all organized efficiently by type:
<https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg>

Oh, wait, browser _choice_ is something you iKooks can't comprehend existing
<https://i.postimg.cc/Mpwvz1pF/browser09.jpg>

Such _choice_ is _impossible_ for you - which is why you don't understand.
*The basic human concept of _choice_ is completely foreign to iKooks.*

In summary, every year APple inexorably decontents iPhones so that you lose
yet another _choice_ (which pushes you forever into purchasing it back).

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 18:26 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:49:53 -0700, AJL wrote:

> When I got my new Android phone 2+ years ago it was easy to copy the old
> phone to the new phone. It was virtually automatic. Same with the wife's
> iPhone. No slot needed.

All I'm saying is sdcard does _more_ than simply augment primary storage.
*The sdcard gives you the simple _choice_ of both privacy & portability*

1. Homescreen APKs are easily stored on a common sdcard for _all_ phones.
<https://i.postimg.cc/1zK34xRf/apk11.jpg>
2. When downloading apps not on Google Play the APK is saved to the sdcard.
<https://i.postimg.cc/sx1X6hXh/apk09.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/3rbWynSC/apk10.jpg>
3. And when installing from Google Play the APK is saved to the sdcard.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5kdD2rg/aurora04.jpg>

That sdcard can be popped into any phone & everything will work fine.
Even the homescreen organization is completely portable (it's just a file).
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwKwyBf8/migration03.jpg>

All this is done by the phone - all by its itty bitty self.
No need for a cloud
No need for special software
No need for a login account anywhere! <=== privacy!
No need for wires or cables
No need for a PC
No need for anything.

Just the phone.
And the sdcard.

That's it.
a. The phone
b. The sdcard

Nothing else.

It doesn't seem to me that you understand the very basic _adult_ concept of
portability with privacy

> With my new IdeaPad Chrome tablet it was also automatic. When I signed
> into my account for the first time all my apps from this old Chromebook
> were copied over. No slot needed.

I agree with you that you have _plenty_ of choices for any one given task.
*But the one choice you do _not_ have is portable private sdcard storage*

If you have no need for portable private storage, then that's perfectly ok.
*But there's a good _reason_ sdcard portability is on over 99% of devices*

>>> It shows 43.3 GB available out of 64GB storage. And in all that
>>> time I've used it, I've never (gasp) needed to plug in an SD card
>>> even though it has a slot.
>
> I also have an additional 100GB in the cloud. With the Chromebooks it's
> automatically incorporated into their internal Files app. So my slotless
> new tablet currently has 130GB free and available. Likewise this old
> Chromebook shows 73GB free and available. It's unlikely I'll ever use
> much of it. So no slot needed.

People need to comprehend that sd is _not_ just to augment primary storage.
*The sdcard implements the _concept_ of portable private storage.*

>> It's not about storage.
>
> You mean transferring files to another device the hard way?

I don't think you comprehend the concept of portable private storage.
Do you?

Seriously.
All you keep talking about is the cloud.

You don't seem to comprehend the adult concepts of privacy & portability.

I haven't seen even a _single_ sentence from you that indicates an adult
comprehension of what it means to have portable private storage choices.

For example, can you comprehend the ease that I have when I pop an sdcard
into _any_ Android phone on the planet, and instantly, that phone can be
populated with all the apps and app data, _without_ putting anything on
another machine (and certainly without putting private data on the net)?

Can you comprehend this topic of instantaneous portability with privacy?
<https://i.postimg.cc/MGJSmg3X/migration01.jpg> Make _any_ phone the same
<https://i.postimg.cc/DwcmRqBN/migration02.jpg> Even shortcuts migrate over
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwKwyBf8/migration03.jpg> Apps easily re-install over

> I do have a
> USB-C to slot dongle if needed but I have seldom needed to use it.
> Bottom line: YMMV. Though slots are leaving MOST devices, likely you
> will always be able to find a phone with one for awhile yet. After all
> there are still phones available with removable batteries...

What I find strange is your utter lack of _adult_ comprehensive skills.

How can you possibly claim "slots are leaving most devices" when, even
today, over 99% of all current Android devices (last we checked) have them?

How can you claim that less than 1% is, in your own words "MOST devices"?

FACT: Anyone who says what you just said lacks adult comprehensive skills.

>> It's about choice.
>
> So the anti-vaxxers say... 8-O

Actually, you don't know but I have higher degrees in that very subject so
rest assured I'm well aware of the idiocy of the Democrats (it's not your
body your choice) and the Republicans (it's gonna put a chip in your body).

The facts are that everyone, including people like you who, clearly don't
own adult comprehensive skills, feel they are qualified to be virologists.

Rest assured I've taken immunology, virology, bacteriology, physiology,
parasitology, mycology, biochemistry, genetics, etc., and even I, with all
that knowledge, wouldn't be so sure of myself as you (and plenty of the hoi
polloi) are as to what _other_ people should do for their medical choices.

Don't believe me?

If you want to ask me to show photos of me with my books (above) tell me
what you want to see as I have _multiple_ higher degrees, that's just one of
them.

My point is that people like you scare me because you clearly don't own even
the most basic of adult comprehensive skills - and yet - you're unaware of
that fact.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 18:53 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:49:58 -0700, AJL wrote:

> I was a pretty good technician in the vacuum tube days

I'm going to explain to you _why_ you don't own adult comprehensive skills.
But first, a tiny bit about me...

Here's a picture of 3 books of things which tell you something about me.
<https://i.postimg.cc/jjkVvNTQ/books01.jpg>

In that pic I put two of my iPads (which people on this ng will recognize).
a. Next to the iPads I put just one book from my sixties vacuum tube days
b. And just one book from my seventies biological training days
c. And another book from my eighties electrical engineering training days
I can show _plenty_ more as I was trained in the finest schools in the US
on some of the most technically complex subjects known to mankind, AJL.

You're not the only one old enough to have been schooled in vacuum tubes.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Dzzkq69w/books02.jpg>

You don't get all those higher degrees by not comprehending facts, AJL.
You just can't.

All my claims and assessments are based on knowledge of actual facts.
None of yours appear to be.

My point though, is that people like you scare me because you (and the
iKooks) make claims that are based on zero comprehension of actual facts.

There's a reason I find most people on Usenet don't own adult comprehensive
skills since most people on Usenet are exactly like you are, AJL.

You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot, for
example, even as (last we checked) less than 1% were missing the slot.

How can you claim "MOST" when 99% of all current Android phones had it?

Likewise, your 'vax' comments showed similar lack of adult comprehension.
Are you aware that MOST people (well over half!) are _immune_ to Covid?

For my "MOST", it's over 60%, whereas your "MOST" is less than 1%.

People like you and the iKooks scare me because you lack the capacity for
detail that an _adult_ should have to form basic comprehensive tasks.

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 by: AJL - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 19:47 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> You don't get all those higher degrees by not comprehending facts, AJL.

> You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot,

Nope. Didn't say that at all. Not even close. Don't all your higher
degrees teach you reading comprehension?

> How can you claim "MOST" when 99% of all current Android phones had it?

Didn't. Go back and try reading it again. Read it sloooower this time... ;)

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 by: AJL - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:00 UTC

Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:49:58 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> I just looked up the definition of geek: Engage in or discuss
>> computer-related tasks obsessively or with great attention to
>> technical detail.

> If you want the original definition, it was someone who worked in
> circus side shows, biting the heads off live chickens.

Actually it still is according to Oxford. Above is number 1.

2. An unfashionable or socially inept person.

3. A performer at a carnival or circus whose show consists of bizarre or
grotesque acts.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:12 UTC

On 2022-01-28 11:47 a.m., AJL wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> You don't get all those higher degrees by not comprehending facts, AJL.
>
>> You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot,
>
> Nope. Didn't say that at all. Not even close. Don't all your higher
> degrees teach you reading comprehension?
>
>> How can you claim "MOST" when 99% of all current Android phones had it?
>
> Didn't. Go back and try reading it again. Read it sloooower this
> time...  ;)

There are about 2200 Android phones currently available or coming soon:

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

More than 20% of them have no card slot at all: 462

<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=3>

Does it surprise you that Arlen once again fails to post facts?

:-)

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:31 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:47:02 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot,
>
> Nope. Didn't say that at all. Not even close. Don't all your higher
> degrees teach you reading comprehension?

I didn't get those higher degrees without getting MOST of my facts correct,
although you _claim_ that I got this one fact wrong, so let's check, shall
we?

Your entire post is in the sig, but this is the line I referred to:
"*Though slots are leaving _MOST_ devices*, likely you
will always be able to find a phone with one for awhile yet."

Last we checked, over 99% of _current_ devices had the sdcard slot.
Even new phones (like my Samsung A32-5g shipped this year) have the sdslot.

On what basis can you claim "slots are leaving MOST devices" please?

NOTE: I'm never afraid to be wrong; it's just rare that I'm wrong, that's
all. But if I'm wrong, I'll happily and openly acknowledge it as I only care
about the facts. I see where you said you'll always be able to find at least
one phone but that's a far cry from the fact that _most_ Android phones sold
today have the basic standard sdslot functionality that Apple iPhones lack.
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Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 20:25:36 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> This 3+ year old Chromebook I'm posting with has 52 Android apps
>> installed plus its own Chrome OS stuff.

> As just one example of choice, if AJL wanted to put those 78 apps on
> another phone, he simply doesn't have the choice of just swapping out
> the sdcard.

When I got my new Android phone 2+ years ago it was easy to copy the old
phone to the new phone. It was virtually automatic. Same with the wife's
iPhone. No slot needed.

With my new IdeaPad Chrome tablet it was also automatic. When I signed
into my account for the first time all my apps from this old Chromebook
were copied over. No slot needed.

>> It shows 43.3 GB available out of 64GB storage. And in all that
>> time I've used it, I've never (gasp) needed to plug in an SD card
>> even though it has a slot.

I also have an additional 100GB in the cloud. With the Chromebooks it's
automatically incorporated into their internal Files app. So my slotless
new tablet currently has 130GB free and available. Likewise this old
Chromebook shows 73GB free and available. It's unlikely I'll ever use
much of it. So no slot needed.

> It's not about storage.

You mean transferring files to another device the hard way? I do have a
USB-C to slot dongle if needed but I have seldom needed to use it.
Bottom line: YMMV. Though slots are leaving MOST devices, likely you
will always be able to find a phone with one for awhile yet. After all
there are still phones available with removable batteries...

> It's about choice.

So the anti-vaxxers say... 8-O

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 by: Alan - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:36 UTC

On 2022-01-28 12:31 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:47:02 -0700, AJL wrote:
>
>>> You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot,
>>
>> Nope. Didn't say that at all. Not even close. Don't all your higher
>> degrees teach you reading comprehension?
>
> I didn't get those higher degrees without getting MOST of my facts correct,
> although you _claim_ that I got this one fact wrong, so let's check, shall
> we?
>
> Your entire post is in the sig, but this is the line I referred to:
> "*Though slots are leaving _MOST_ devices*, likely you
> will always be able to find a phone with one for awhile yet."
>
> Last we checked, over 99% of _current_ devices had the sdcard slot.
> Even new phones (like my Samsung A32-5g shipped this year) have the sdslot.

Why must you lie?

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:54 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:36:01 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-01-28 12:31 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:47:02 -0700, AJL wrote:
>>
>>>> You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot,
>>>
>>> Nope. Didn't say that at all. Not even close. Don't all your higher
>>> degrees teach you reading comprehension?
>>
>> I didn't get those higher degrees without getting MOST of my facts correct,
>> although you _claim_ that I got this one fact wrong, so let's check, shall
>> we?
>>
>> Your entire post is in the sig, but this is the line I referred to:
>> "*Though slots are leaving _MOST_ devices*, likely you
>> will always be able to find a phone with one for awhile yet."
>>
>> Last we checked, over 99% of _current_ devices had the sdcard slot.
>> Even new phones (like my Samsung A32-5g shipped this year) have the sdslot.
>
>Why must you lie?

Why must you feed the trolls instead of killfiling them.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:57 UTC

On 2022-01-28 12:54 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:36:01 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-01-28 12:31 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:47:02 -0700, AJL wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot,
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Didn't say that at all. Not even close. Don't all your higher
>>>> degrees teach you reading comprehension?
>>>
>>> I didn't get those higher degrees without getting MOST of my facts correct,
>>> although you _claim_ that I got this one fact wrong, so let's check, shall
>>> we?
>>>
>>> Your entire post is in the sig, but this is the line I referred to:
>>> "*Though slots are leaving _MOST_ devices*, likely you
>>> will always be able to find a phone with one for awhile yet."
>>>
>>> Last we checked, over 99% of _current_ devices had the sdcard slot.
>>> Even new phones (like my Samsung A32-5g shipped this year) have the sdslot.
>>
>> Why must you lie?
>
>
> Why must you feed the trolls instead of killfiling them.

Because killfiling DOES NOT WORK.

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 21:29 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:57:53 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-01-28 12:54 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:36:01 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-01-28 12:31 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:47:02 -0700, AJL wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. Didn't say that at all. Not even close. Don't all your higher
>>>>> degrees teach you reading comprehension?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't get those higher degrees without getting MOST of my facts correct,
>>>> although you _claim_ that I got this one fact wrong, so let's check, shall
>>>> we?
>>>>
>>>> Your entire post is in the sig, but this is the line I referred to:
>>>> "*Though slots are leaving _MOST_ devices*, likely you
>>>> will always be able to find a phone with one for awhile yet."
>>>>
>>>> Last we checked, over 99% of _current_ devices had the sdcard slot.
>>>> Even new phones (like my Samsung A32-5g shipped this year) have the sdslot.
>>>
>>> Why must you lie?
>>
>>
>> Why must you feed the trolls instead of killfiling them.
>
>Because killfiling DOES NOT WORK.

It works fine for me. If for some reason, it doesn't work for you,
just ignore them.

However you do it, please don't reply to trolls. If you insist on
doing it, I'll have no choice but to killfile you too.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 28 Jan 2022 23:55 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:29:43 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> However you do it, please don't reply to trolls. If you insist on
> doing it, I'll have no choice but to killfile you too

It's kind of hilarious when Ken Blake, whose own IQ is no greater than about
50 (and as a result he has _never_ been able to add value to this ng)...

Literally _pleads_ with Alan Baker (whose IQ can't be above 40)...
...with the seemingly hilarious (if it wasn't so sordidly sad) result of...

*Neither low-IQ troll understands a single word that is said by the other*

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 by: AJL - Sat, 29 Jan 2022 02:06 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:47:02 -0700, AJL wrote:

>>> You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard
>>> slot,

>> Nope. Didn't say that at all. Not even close. Don't all your
>> higher degrees teach you reading comprehension?

> I didn't get those higher degrees without getting MOST of my facts
> correct,

"MOST" doesn't mean all...

> this is the line I referred to:

> "Though slots are leaving MOST devices, likely you will always be
> able to find a phone with one for awhile yet."

Yup, those are my words. An easy to understand sentence but I'll reword
it for you:

As time goes on less and less phones will be manufactured with slots.
But likely you will still be able to find one (as you can a phone with a
removable battery today).

But you said I said:

"You claimed "MOST" Android phones no longer have the sdcard slot,"

And of course I didn't claim that, since everyone knows most Android
phones TODAY do have slots. But less and less will have them in the
FUTURE until MOST won't have slots. (Just like removable batteries - am
I wearing this analogy out??)

> Last we checked, over 99% of _current_ devices had the sdcard slot.

That's TODAY. I said the slots are leaving, not half gone.

And BTW you apparently got your % fact wrong according to another poster.

> On what basis can you claim "slots are leaving MOST devices" please?

If you read back further in the thread I posted that was my GUESS. I had
several guesses (predictions) in that post BTW. If you look back please
read them slooowly... ;)

> if I'm wrong, I'll happily and openly acknowledge it

Bet you don't.

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 by: sms - Sat, 29 Jan 2022 14:17 UTC

On 1/28/2022 1:29 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:57:53 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> Because killfiling DOES NOT WORK.
>
>
> It works fine for me. If for some reason, it doesn't work for you,
> just ignore them.
>
> However you do it, please don't reply to trolls. If you insist on
> doing it, I'll have no choice but to killfile you too.

Filtering is what makes Usenet usable. It works great.

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