On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea
>>
>> I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that before? Hmmm... Oh,
>> wait:
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Computers-External-Expandable-Storage/dp/B09XQM6K6Q>
>>
>>> I think we all know why that isn’t the ca$e, despite what the
>>> resident PR folks might say.
>>
>> Except it is the case - see above. You're just a dumb-ass troll.
>>
> You moved the goal posts.

Nope, "expandable storage" (your words - not mine) is expandable
storage.

> Of course you would deliberately frame things like that to trash me as
> a troll

You are a troll.

> so GFY jackass

After you, wimp.

> You and Arlen both make this cesspit unreadable.

"BoTh SiDeS, y'AlL!1!!"

> can come and go as I pleasei

Go ahead and leave. : )

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On 2023-01-20, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 20.01.23 um 21:30 schrieb nospam:
>> In article <tqes0n$251mj$15@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> If everyone who keeps leaping like a starving trout at the troll
>>>>> bait would go on a diet, then these trolls would, in time, shuffle
>>>>> on...
>>>>
>>>> Nah - they'd still be here talking to themselves.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> The only way to deal with trolls is to take what amusement you can
>>> from them.
>>
>> also to refute the deliberate disinformation they spew.
>
> No. That keeps these flame war alive. You should know better.

Yes, yes, everyone knows it's best to allow disinformation to fester and
propagate unchallenged. This is certainly The Way™. #IAmVerySmart

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On 20/01/2023 19:14, sms wrote:

> Narrowing down the
> search to current year (2022) models gave these results:

The "current" phones are those in use by people using them now.
That's at least 3 years so you need to add a search from 2019 to today.

> It's interesting that it's the lower-end Android phones that are more
> likely to have retained the headphone jack and MicroSD card slot.

There's not a lot of these types of problems that money alone can't solve.

At the high end people can easily pay for the purchase and maintenance of
non-wired headphones and they can maintain spares for when batteries die to
solve the problems that are created when the 3.5mm jack was removed.

At the high end, people can add another 128GB or 256KB of subscription
cloud storage and high speed Internet to solve the problem that lack of the
sd card creates.

Money buys the solution for these people at the high end.

At the mid and low end, people don't want to have to spend money only to
solve a problem that only was artificially created when the Android
manufacturer removed what was already there.

The manufacturer can only get away with that trick on high end consumers
who think nothing of using money to buy their way out of the problem the
manufacturers created.

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:23:50 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> You moved the goal posts.
>
> Nope, "expandable storage" (your words - not mine) is expandable
> storage.

Almost nobody uses it for expandable or adoptable storage anymore.

They use it for portable storage.

It's a different purpose but if you only own iPhones you won't understand.

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 05:14:08 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> On 1/19/2023 8:37 PM, sms wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I looked at GSM Arena for current models (2022). Here are the results
>> in a Google Sheet Spreadsheet:
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>
>
> I also added this link to the document under 3a "Headphone jacks
> available on some Android phones" on page 26 and 4a "MicroSD Card Slots
> available on many Android phones" on page 27.
>
> The spreadsheet also includes the links to the GSMArena searches.
> However note that the GSMArena web site does not include all current
> phone brands, plus it includes many obsolete brands. Narrowing down the
> search to current year (2022) models gave these results:
>
> All Phones Total Percent
> --------------- --- ------ -------
> 3.5mm Only 37 out of 127 29.13%
> MicroSD Only 66 out of 127 51.97%
> 3.5mm and MicroSD 58 out of 127 45.67%
>
> Flagship Phones Total Percent
> --------------- --- ------ -------
> 3.5mm Only 0 out of 14 0.00%
> MicroSD Only 2 out of 14 14.29%
> 3.5mm and MicroSD 2 out of 14 14.29%

> It's interesting that it's the lower-end Android phones that are more
> likely to have retained the headphone jack and MicroSD card slot.

Not really given that those have minimal memory and so need
and sd card for photos etc and given that the jack is so cheap
and allows the new owner to use what they already have.

> There are only two current Android flagship phones with both a 3.5mm
> headphone jack and a MicroSD card slot, both from Sony. If you include
> 2021, the number goes up to five, also all from Sony.
>
> For iPhones, once I removed the 3.5mm headphone jack and the MicroSD
> card slot, there was one current model, the iPhone 14 Pro Max. Including
> previous models for 2021, the iPhone 13 Pro Max also showed up.
>
> For a flagship device I used the following minimum requirements
> IP68
> 4GB RAM
> 128GB Storage
> 1080 x 1920 display
> 400ppi display resolution
> 120Hz refresh rate
> Dual speakers
> 4000mAH battery
> 15W Wireless charging
>
> ---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------
> ✓ 46 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they
> Had ✓
> ✓ 207 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish
> they Had ✓
> <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
> ---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea
>>>
>>> I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that before? Hmmm... Oh,
>>> wait:
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Computers-External-Expandable-Storage/dp/B09XQM6K6Q>
>>>
>>>> I think we all know why that isn’t the ca$e, despite what the
>>>> resident PR folks might say.
>>>
>>> Except it is the case - see above. You're just a dumb-ass troll.
>>>
>> You moved the goal posts.
>
> Nope, "expandable storage" (your words - not mine) is expandable
> storage.
>
>> Of course you would deliberately frame things like that to trash me as
>> a troll
>
> You are a troll.
>
>> so GFY jackass
>
> After you, wimp.
>
>> You and Arlen both make this cesspit unreadable.
>
> "BoTh SiDeS, y'AlL!1!!"
>
>> can come and go as I pleasei
>
> Go ahead and leave. : )
>
You deliberately snipped out the part I replied to that clearly showed the
subject I referred to is an SD card. Both Alan and Bill W were talking
about SD cards you deliberately dishonest twit. Your snip was also
unmarked, which is the ploy of a PR liar.

You are not a good faith actor obviously. The mirror image of Arlen.

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 06:03:21 +1100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:34:10 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2023 8:52 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-01-20 06:49, for.sms wrote:
>>>> On 19 Jan 2023, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote :
>>>>> I looked at GSM Arena for current models (2022). Here are the
>>>>> results in
>>>>> a Google Sheet Spreadsheet:
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y8ktiVvsNGyNhQMP9EgBGayZ_dDvO33jFRqw_9uWGcg/>
>>>>
>>>> Please don't act stupid, Steve.
>>>> It's unbecoming of an adult.
>>>
>>> Kind of like making nym after nym to escape killfiles, right, Arlen?
>>
>> If you design filters properly, nym-shifting doesn't help him.
>
> I use Forte Agent 6.0 Can you tell me how to design a filter properly
> so that nym-shifting won't help trolls?

In the ultimate it isnt even possible because the best of the trolls
can fake anything in the header and no filter can do much about
the style used in the body of the post.

On 1/20/2023 1:30 PM, MikeS wrote:
> On 20/01/2023 19:14, sms wrote:
>
>> Narrowing down the search to current year (2022) models gave these
>> results:
>
> The "current" phones are those in use by people using them now.
> That's at least 3 years so you need to add a search from 2019 to today.

If I expand it to three years (2020, 2021, 2022) with minimal standards,
it's 273 out of 690 with both a headphone jack and Micro SD card, which
is 39.57%

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&nRamMin=4000&nDisplayResMin=921600&nDisplayDensityMin=180&chk35mm=selected&chkGPS=selected&chkNFC=selected&chkUSBC=selected&nBatCapacityMin=3600&nChargingMin=10&sAvailabilities=1&s4Gs=0&sOSes=2&sOSversions=2940,2930,2920,2910&idCardslot=1&sFingerprints=1&sBluetooths=1>

But for buying a new phone, rather than looking at phones "in-use" the
percentage is much lower.

On 1/20/2023 1:21 PM, MikeS wrote:
> On 20/01/2023 19:34, sms wrote:
>> For flagship devices there are 2 out of 14, both from Sony.
>> For all devices there are 74 out of 262.
>
> Bullshit.
> You ran a highly constrained filter severely limiting the time period.
> Use the last 3 years (from 2019 to now).
>
> You can break it down to flagship's only but then you have to remove those
> flagships when you show the results for phones that are not flagships.
>
> Be fair.
>
> If you want to be considered credible you must provide the URL.
> Anything else is bullshit.

The URLs are all there in the spreadsheet.

On 1/20/2023 1:03 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

> Of course you would deliberately frame things like that to trash me as a
> troll, so GFY jackass. You and Arlen both make this cesspit unreadable. I
> can come and go as I please, both of you live for this place.

Filter out the trolls and it becomes readable. In Thunderbird it's easy,
and I presume it's easy in other newsreaders as well. 10 simple filters
is all it takes.

On 2023-01-20, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:23:50 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> You moved the goal posts.
>>
>> Nope, "expandable storage" (your words - not mine) is expandable
>> storage.
>
> Almost nobody uses it for expandable or adoptable storage anymore.

Then he shouldn't have mentioned it, smart guy.

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On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that before? Hmmm... Oh,
>>>> wait:
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Computers-External-Expandable-Storage/dp/B09XQM6K6Q>
>>>>
>>>>> I think we all know why that isn’t the ca$e, despite what the
>>>>> resident PR folks might say.
>>>>
>>>> Except it is the case - see above. You're just a dumb-ass troll.
>>>>
>>> You moved the goal posts.
>>
>> Nope, "expandable storage" (your words - not mine) is expandable
>> storage.
>>
>>> Of course you would deliberately frame things like that to trash me
>>> as a troll
>>
>> You are a troll.
>>
>>> so GFY jackass
>>
>> After you, wimp.
>>
>>> You and Arlen both make this cesspit unreadable.
>>
>> "BoTh SiDeS, y'AlL!1!!"
>>
>>> can come and go as I pleasei
>>
>> Go ahead and leave. : )
>>
> You deliberately snipped out the part I replied to that clearly showed
> the subject I referred to is an SD card.

iPhones can use SD cards too, trollboi:

<https://www.amazon.com/Oyuiasle-Cameras-Accessories-Photography-Adapter/dp/B08X2J8PMF>

Fail.

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On 20/01/2023 22:02, sms wrote:
> If I expand it to three years (2020, 2021, 2022) with minimal standards,
> it's 273 out of 690 with both a headphone jack and Micro SD card, which
> is 39.57%
>
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&nRamMin=4000&nDisplayResMin=921600&nDisplayDensityMin=180&chk35mm=selected&chkGPS=selected&chkNFC=selected&chkUSBC=selected&nBatCapacityMin=3600&nChargingMin=10&sAvailabilities=1&s4Gs=0&sOSes=2&sOSversions=2940,2930,2920,2910&idCardslot=1&sFingerprints=1&sBluetooths=1>

Exactly what I thought.
You are trying to pull a fast one on us.
That's why you were afraid to show your work.

You limited almost everything you thought could get away with in that URL.

The cellular frequency, the amount of RAM, the resolution, the density,
fingerprint sensor, bluetooth frequencies, GPS, NFC, Type-C, 10W wired
charging, battery capacity, limiting the Android versions, and so on.

Taking just one of them, fingerprint?
WTF

What does a fingerprint sensor have to do with 3.5mm or sd cards?

The entire approach you're using is because you are skewing the numbers.

Either compare ALL the Android phones or admit you are skewing the results.

On 2023-01-20 15:01, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-01-20, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-20 01:01, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>> Ye
>>
>> If everyone who keeps leaping like a starving trout at the troll bait
>> would go on a diet, then these trolls would, in time, shuffle on...
>
> Nah - they'd still be here talking to themselves.

So let them.

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On 2023-01-20 15:30, nospam wrote:
> In article <tqes0n$251mj$15@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> If everyone who keeps leaping like a starving trout at the troll bait
>>>> would go on a diet, then these trolls would, in time, shuffle on...
>>>
>>> Nah - they'd still be here talking to themselves.
>>>
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>> The only way to deal with trolls is to take what amusement you can from
>> them.
>
> also to refute the deliberate disinformation they spew.

Inconsequential.

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committee

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-01-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually expandable storage for an iphone would be a great idea
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that before? Hmmm... Oh,
>>>>> wait:
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Computers-External-Expandable-Storage/dp/B09XQM6K6Q>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we all know why that isn’t the ca$e, despite what the
>>>>>> resident PR folks might say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except it is the case - see above. You're just a dumb-ass troll.
>>>>>
>>>> You moved the goal posts.
>>>
>>> Nope, "expandable storage" (your words - not mine) is expandable
>>> storage.
>>>
>>>> Of course you would deliberately frame things like that to trash me
>>>> as a troll
>>>
>>> You are a troll.
>>>
>>>> so GFY jackass
>>>
>>> After you, wimp.
>>>
>>>> You and Arlen both make this cesspit unreadable.
>>>
>>> "BoTh SiDeS, y'AlL!1!!"
>>>
>>>> can come and go as I pleasei
>>>
>>> Go ahead and leave. : )
>>>
>> You deliberately snipped out the part I replied to that clearly showed
>> the subject I referred to is an SD card.
>
> iPhones can use SD cards too, trollboi:
>
> <https://www.amazon.com/Oyuiasle-Cameras-Accessories-Photography-Adapter/dp/B08X2J8PMF>
>
> Fail.
>
It’s external and even clunkier than the previous piece of garbage you
foisted on me liar.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2023-01-20, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:23:50 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>>> You moved the goal posts.
>>>
>>> Nope, "expandable storage" (your words - not mine) is expandable
>>> storage.
>>
>> Almost nobody uses it for expandable or adoptable storage anymore.
>
> Then he shouldn't have mentioned it, smart guy.
>
This is what I was talking about dingbat twit:

“When you format an SD card for internal storage:

You can load files, like photos and videos, on the SD card.
You can install apps on the SD card.
You can’t transfer the SD card between devices.
The SD card can be used in addition to your device's storage.”

https://support.google.com/android/answer/12153449?hl=en

My old Nook has a slot for inserting a card. I guess iOS inbred twits like
you who pretend to be pirates but act as gutter scum aren’t familiar with
such things.

You insert a card and use it as extra GB. Duh! Go drag your knuckles back
to your den and shut up.

On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 12:46:07 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

> You can load files, like photos and videos, on the SD card.
> You can install apps on the SD card.
> You can't transfer the SD card between devices.
> The SD card can be used in addition to your device's storage.

I know you know how the sd cards work inside of Android hemi, but Jolly
Roger doesn't know how sd cards work because he's never had the choice.

With Android, you get a choice of having that sd card - which iPhones don't
give you - & then you get another choice of HOW you want to use the card.

If you use it as expandable (adoptable) storage, then it works like you
said it does (it conveniently extends the internal memory of the phone).

You can also choose to NOT format it at all, in which case when you put it
in the Android phone, it acts as external (portable) storage, which means
it will store files and photos and it can also be used in any other device.

That's why external storage is called "portable" storage, because you can
use it in any phone and you can use it on any computer or even in a hub.

I'm sure you know all of this but the Jolly Roger guy doesn't know this.
The Jolly Roger guy only knows the iCloud which he thinks is the same.

There are even more choices with Android that the iPhone doesn't have.

Another choice with Android is to format only some of the sd card as
expandable (adoptable) storage & the rest as external (portable) storage.

It's all explained here because Jolly Roger will say it's impossible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/n843in/psa_you_can_do_a_lot_more_with_adoptable_storage/

I know you know all of this but the Jolly Roger guy has never used an
Android phone so he doesn't seem to be aware that he has no choices.

He thinks the iCloud is the same thing, but it's not even close to it.
He is so used to having no choice that he's mad at you for having choices.

On 20/01/2023 15:02, sms wrote:
> I did the search with just the basic filters because one set of
> trolls insisted that filtering out the odd brands was skewing the
> results. Now another set of trolls thinks that there should be more
> filter criteria included to skew the results the other way.

If you are so "innocent" of skewing the search results when you tried to
compile an "accurate" number of Android models with the 3.5 mm jack, then
can you explain why your search URL only looked at phones with a
fingerprint reader?

While the fingerprint reader skew was only one of the many skews,
what does a fingerprint reader have to do with the 3.5mm jack?

If you're so innocent of skew, why did you omit all Android phones that
didn't have a fingerprint reader when you reported percents with 3.5mm?

> But in any case, anyone can go use the GSMArena phone finder

They did. They found that 3/4 of Android phones have either the card or the
jack & about 2/3rds have both and they didn't skew by fingerprint reader.

On 1/20/23 5:40 PM, Thomas wrote:

> With Android, you get a choice of having that sd card - which iPhones don't
> give you - & then you get another choice of HOW you want to use the card.
>
> If you use it as expandable (adoptable) storage, then it works like you
> said it does (it conveniently extends the internal memory of the phone).

It doesn't work as well as you think it should -- at least on a 5-YO
Motorola, What I wanted was to put ALL my apps on the card. What I
could do was put part of SOME apps on the card, not saving anywhere near
as much space as I had expected. Unless things have changed, max out
your actual internal memory. In 2.5 years I've only used 58 GB of the
128 GB on my Pixel2 and feel very good about it.

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On 1/20/2023 5:40 PM, Thomas wrote:

<snip>

> You can also choose to NOT format it at all, in which case when you put it
> in the Android phone, it acts as external (portable) storage, which means
> it will store files and photos and it can also be used in any other device.

It's useful in another way too. If you have a digital camera that has no
Wi-Fi, you can stick a MicroSD card from the camera into the phone to
upload photos. No cables or funky adapters necessary.

Alas, most flagship new Android phones have done away with the MicroSD
card slot, and that's now extending to mid-range phones as well.

On 1/20/2023 5:58 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 1/20/23 5:40 PM, Thomas wrote:
>
>> With Android, you get a choice of having that sd card - which iPhones
>> don't
>> give you - & then you get another choice of HOW you want to use the card.
>>
>> If you use it as expandable (adoptable) storage, then it works like you
>> said it does (it conveniently extends the internal memory of the phone).
>
> It doesn't work as well as you think it should -- at least on a 5-YO
> Motorola,  What I wanted was to put ALL my apps on the card.  What I
> could do was put part of SOME apps on the card, not saving anywhere near
> as much space as I had expected.  Unless things have changed, max out
> your actual internal memory.  In 2.5 years I've only used 58 GB of the
> 128 GB on my Pixel2 and feel very good about it.

I read about the Pixel 2 in my history book.

On 1/20/2023 5:55 PM, MikeS wrote:
> On 20/01/2023 15:02, sms wrote:
>>  I did the search with just the basic filters because one set of
>> trolls insisted that filtering out the odd brands was skewing the
>> results. Now another set of trolls thinks that there should be more
>> filter criteria included to skew the results the other way.
>
> If you are so "innocent" of skewing the search results when you tried to
> compile an "accurate" number of Android models with the 3.5 mm jack, then
> can you explain why your search URL only looked at phones with a
> fingerprint reader?

Without the fingerprint reader, it goes from 273 out of 694 to 275 out
of 694.

I wanted to compare devices that at least met some minimum standard of
usability.

The key takeaway is that the number of Android devices with a headphone
jack and/or a MicroSD card slot is a LOT less than what our favorite
trolls originally claimed. You really have to try to skew the results to
get the numbers that they claimed.

On 1/20/23 5:59 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/20/2023 5:58 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 1/20/23 5:40 PM, Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> With Android, you get a choice of having that sd card - which iPhones
>>> don't
>>> give you - & then you get another choice of HOW you want to use the card.
>>>
>>> If you use it as expandable (adoptable) storage, then it works like you
>>> said it does (it conveniently extends the internal memory of the phone).
>>
>> It doesn't work as well as you think it should -- at least on a 5-YO
>> Motorola,  What I wanted was to put ALL my apps on the card.  What I
>> could do was put part of SOME apps on the card, not saving anywhere near
>> as much space as I had expected.  Unless things have changed, max out
>> your actual internal memory.  In 2.5 years I've only used 58 GB of the
>> 128 GB on my Pixel2 and feel very good about it.
>
> I read about the Pixel 2 in my history book.

:-)

I like it well enough to pay a guy $60 to put a new battery in. It does
everything I want it to do and has a fantastic camera, which is why I
bought it for $130. The only thing the newer models offer is a
dedicated telephoto lens, but I'm not willing to pay $hundreds just for
that.

--
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On 21/01/2023 03:06, sms wrote:
> Without the fingerprint reader, it goes from 273 out of 694 to 275 out
> of 694.

How do you still not get it that it's the 694 that's wrong?

Besides, the fingerprint reader wasn't the only thing you skewed.

You skewed by the cellular frequency, the amount of RAM, the resolution,
density, fingerprint sensor, bluetooth frequencies, GPS, NFC, Type-C, 10W
wired charging, battery capacity, limiting the Android versions & so on.

The only criteria the original post selected for was the 3.5mm jack.

> I wanted to compare devices that at least met some minimum standard of
> usability.

That's skewing the numbers because you selected that "minimum standard."

Your skew isn't worthy of a dispute that 3/4 of Android phones in the past
3 years have either the sd card or the 3.5mm jack and 2/3rd have both.
> The key takeaway is that the number of Android devices with a headphone
> jack and/or a MicroSD card slot is a LOT less than what our favorite
> trolls originally claimed.

What part of 3/4 of Android phones have one or the other don't you get?

> You really have to try to skew the results to get the numbers that they claimed.

The only thing they selected for was the 3.5mm jack and the sd card.

How you can select for more than a dozen unrelated criteria, and then claim
that you are innocent of skew and that they skewed because they didn't
filter by those dozen criteria only you selected, is pushing it pretty far.

Why don't you just run a database query WITHOUT your dozen skews?