On 2024-01-25 12:33 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-01-25 2:08 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-01-25 3:44 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>> When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
>>> the trap and gassing them with car exhaust.  There's some risk while
>>> he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.
>>>
>> My ex had a skunk take up residence in her back yard and wanted to get
>> rid of it. My sons pleaded with her to get a professional in to deal
>> with it. However, she has a negative attitude to taking advice or
>> instruction from men, including her own sons, so she got sprayed!
>
>
> Some women are reluctant to take advice from men because they assume
> they are being taken advantage of.
>
My ex. in a misandrist mood, persuaded my d-i-l to have something done
to her car and she got ripped off as a result. My son was incensed as
the car didn't need that. BTW he is highly competent when it comes to
car maintenance and repair.

Graham wrote:

> My ex had a skunk take up residence in her back yard and wanted to get
> rid of it. My sons pleaded with her to get a professional in to deal
> with it. However, she has a negative attitude to taking advice or
> instruction from men, including her own sons, so she got spayed!

"... so she got spayed!... ", Graham...!!!???

My word, but she sounds like she was a *female* "skunk"...!!!???

;-P

--
GM

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 8:38:30 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:
>
> >
> > Line dried sheets are easy to fold over while on the line. Dryer dried must be held with stretched hands until done.
> > I fear bug infestation outside more than birds. In hot weather I'll put wet towels outside. Most partially dried ( with softner sheet) stuff like towels, pants and shirts are hung on the shower curtain bar. Some with wire hangers. A big item may get draped over the indoor stationary bike.
> >
> snip
> > The sensor does not account for thick bands of material that take longer to dry. I check periodically and remove dry stuff and examine thick stuff for moisture.
> >
> >
> > One sheet leaves little wiggle room for laundry schedule. If I want to wait a week to wash the removed sheet I can, and did so today. I got 4 shirts hanging on my curtain rod now. The have fewer wrinkles when hung up partially dry. And a pair of jeans on the bike handles.
> >
> Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and
> push the Start button.
>
> I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling. Bill runs $8
> to $10 a month. I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging
> all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

I'm conserving the use of my Quayle/Bush era Whirlpool Heavy Duty Dryer, from Michigan. The axle bearings already make noise when starting up.
I do not want to buy a fancy WIFI enable dryer for $1500 new.

On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 4:44:20 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On 2024-01-24, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> For a while we had a cat (I assume) that was killing rabbits and
> >> leaving the remains without eating them. Nasty animals. Every
> >> time I see a cat in the yard I go out and hiss at it to make it
> >> shove off. Works on skunks, too.
> >
> >
> > But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
> > hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)
> I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.
>
> When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
> the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while

Alabama switched to Nitrogen gas. Where do the Hamiltons dispose of the remains ?

> he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-01-24, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
> You actually watch Fox News?

Consistently. Nevertheless, you're a great woodworker.

On 25 Jan 2024 22:22:58 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-01-24, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> You actually watch Fox News?
>
>
>Consistently. Nevertheless, you're a great woodworker.

Maybe he'd also do a good job on your brain.

On 2024-01-25, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

> I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.

Really? So you totally missed the darkness of the animal world in the
intro? O.K., to each, their own.

On 2024-01-25, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 2024-01-24 5:34 p.m., Ed P wrote:
>> I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.

> That's because you have a measurable IQ.

Nevertheless, you're still a good woodworker. ;)

On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 12:02:31 PM UTC-10, Laguna Material wrote:
> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 4:44:20 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2024-01-24, Leonard Blaisdell <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > On 2024-01-24, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> For a while we had a cat (I assume) that was killing rabbits and
> > >> leaving the remains without eating them. Nasty animals. Every
> > >> time I see a cat in the yard I go out and hiss at it to make it
> > >> shove off. Works on skunks, too.
> > >
> > >
> > > But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
> > > hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)
> > I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
> > bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.
> >
> > When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
> > the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while
> Alabama switched to Nitrogen gas. Where do the Hamiltons dispose of the remains ?
> > he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.
> >
> > --
> > Cindy Hamilton

Carbon monoxide is the suicide gas of choice for Asians. I plan on getting a tank of CO for 2/22/24.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcoal-burning_suicide

On 2024-01-25, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

> When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
> the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while
> he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.

Skunks exude a powerful presence, enjoyable by people up to a half-mile
or more away.

On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

> it's sad that people do that to them. we don't normally
> see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
> of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
> mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
> are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night. i do smell
> them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
> eat worms and slugs. harmless.

I had a spotted skunk do a headstand for me once. I got the hell out of
there.

On 1/23/2024 5:53 PM, songbird wrote:
> bruce bowser wrote:
> ...
>> "If your dryer has a moisture sensor, use it instead of the timed dry feature. The dryer will shut off when it senses laundry is dry. Not only will this save energy, but it will also save wear and tear on your clothes caused by over-drying."
>>
>> Eastern Ilini Electric Cooperative
>> -- https://eiec.org/latest-spin-washer-and-dryer-energy-efficiency
>
> that would probably cost us an extra hundred a month.
>
>
> songbird

Where the heck is "Western Ilini"? That article link is from 2018.
Bowser is great at digging up old irrelevant stuff.

Jill

On 1/24/2024 9:38 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 9:08 PM, Laguna Material wrote:
>
>> Line dried sheets are easy to fold over while on the line. Dryer dried
>> must be held with stretched hands until done.
>> I fear bug infestation outside more than birds. In hot weather I'll
>> put wet towels outside. Most partially dried ( with softner sheet)
>> stuff like towels, pants and shirts are hung on the shower curtain
>> bar. Some with wire hangers. A big item may get draped over the indoor
>> stationary bike.
>>
> snip
>
>> The sensor does not account for thick bands of material that take
>> longer to dry. I check periodically and remove dry stuff and examine
>> thick stuff for moisture.
>>
What sensor? On a clothesline? Get real.

>> One sheet leaves little  wiggle room for laundry schedule. If I want
>> to wait a week to wash the removed sheet I can, and did so today. I
>> got 4 shirts hanging on my curtain rod now. The have fewer wrinkles
>> when hung up partially dry. And a pair of jeans on the bike handles.
>>
>
> Cost to run the dryers is negligible. I put everything in the dryer and
> push the Start button.
>
> I use gas for drying clothes,hot water, cooking, grilling.  Bill runs $8
> to $10 a month.  I'm not going to cart wet clothes around and hanging
> all over to save maybe $2.50 a month.

Laguna obviously lives in some other country where there are bug
infestations and hanging clothes on racks around the house seem to
somehow fend them off. Hanging clothes on the stationary bicycle
handles... everyone aspires to that.

How about just buy a dryer?

Jill

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 9:52:17 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:59:18 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2024-01-23, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:41:49 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> On 2024-01-23, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
> > >> > In article <WULrN.223206$Ama9....@fx12.iad>,
> > >> > hami...@invalid.com says...
> > >> >
> > >> >> what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
> > >> >> inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
> > >> >> dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?
> > >> >
> > >> > Tut, Cindy, not like you to miss the vital "not".
> > >> >
> > >> I recognize it's not a thrill. I can't see any difference in
> > >> line-dried and dryer-dried sheets in their lack of thrill while
> > >> folding.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >>
> > > True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take
> > > dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away
> > > with minimal effort while in the yard. I do highly appreciate my dryer, but
> > > coming out of it they are certainly a jumbled mess that requires a little effort,
> > > just a little, to have laying flat and smooth to fold up neatly and put away.
> > >
> > > I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed
> > > eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person.
> > > Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
> > > pattern each time I change them.
> >
> > It prolongs their life
> "If your dryer has a moisture sensor, use it instead of the timed dry feature. The dryer will shut off when it senses laundry is dry. Not only will this save energy, but it will also save wear and tear on your clothes caused by over-drying."
>
> Eastern Ilini Electric Cooperative
> -- https://eiec.org/latest-spin-washer-and-dryer-energy-efficiency
> > only in the sense that, say, four sets of sheets
> > will last four times longer than one set of sheets. I buy sheets four
> > times as often, but the same number of sheets.
> >
> > I don't care about the pattern. My eyes are closed while I'm using
> > them. My sheets are plain white.
> When bought, yes. They are plain white, Cindy.

I've seen some combo washer/dryers being sold in the US. You can wash your clothes without loading up a dryer. The Brits like to wash their clothes in the kitchen so it's quite handy to have a single machine for that job. Some of them use a heat pump instead of gas or heating elements. That's a good idea. The good news is that these heat pump dryers are more efficient than regular dryers. They can run on plain old 120 volts and there's no freaking venting of hot air. How beautiful is that? Very.

On 2024-01-25 20:03:34 +0000, S Viemeister said:

> On 25/01/2024 18:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> (re: skunks)eat worms and slugs. harmless.
>>
>> They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
>> want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
>> a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
>> another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?
>>
>> They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.
>>
> And they spread poison ivy.
> They eat the pretty red berries, then poop out the seeds in my garden.

They like to carry around rabies as well. A arge part of their
population are carriers.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/23/2024 5:53 PM, songbird wrote:
>> bruce bowser wrote:
>> ...
>>> "If your dryer has a moisture sensor, use it instead of the
>>> timed dry feature. The dryer will shut off when it senses
>>> laundry is dry. Not only will this save energy, but it will
>>> also save wear and tear on your clothes caused by over-drying."
>>>
>>> Eastern Ilini Electric Cooperative
>>> --
>>> https://eiec.org/latest-spin-washer-and-dryer-energy-efficiency
>>
>>    that would probably cost us an extra hundred a month.
>>
>>
>>    songbird
>
> Where the heck is "Western Ilini"? That article link is from
> 2018. Bowser is great at digging up old irrelevant stuff.
>
>
> Jill

And why hasn't your royal highness banned his sorry ass?

On 1/25/2024 5:36 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-01-25, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.
>
>
> Really? So you totally missed the darkness of the animal world in the
> intro? O.K., to each, their own.

Yes, but then it went down hill rapidly.

S Viemeister wrote:
> On 25/01/2024 18:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> (re: skunks)eat worms and slugs. harmless.
>>
>> They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
>> want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
>> a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
>> another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?
>>
>> They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.
>>
> And they spread poison ivy.
> They eat the pretty red berries, then poop out the seeds in my garden.

birds do that too. are you going to kill all the
birds?

songbird

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>> Ed P wrote:
>>> On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
>>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.
>>>
>>> Please post a video of that.
>>
>> it's sad that people do that to them.
>
> C'mon, man. Hissing at a skunk and making it feel unwelcome is
> no big deal. They don't even run. It's more like they figure
> "I don't have to put up with this crap".

my comment was about gassing them when caught in a
live trap.

>> we don't normally
>> see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
>> of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
>> mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
>> are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.
>
> My husband checks the yard at bedtime. Sometimes there's a skunk
> 15-20 feet away from the house. Sometimes I check the yard when
> I get up at 4 or 5 am. Ditto.
>
>> i do smell
>> them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
>> eat worms and slugs. harmless.
>
> They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
> want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
> a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
> another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?

no, just look where you're walking... poisoning
things is usually worse than just paving it over.

> They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.

OMG *rolls eyes*

songbird

dsi1 wrote:
....
> I've seen some combo washer/dryers being sold in the US. You can wash your clothes without loading up a dryer. The Brits like to wash their clothes in the kitchen so it's quite handy to have a single machine for that job. Some of them use a heat pump instead of gas or heating elements. That's a good idea. The good news is that these heat pump dryers are more efficient than regular dryers. They can run on plain old 120 volts and there's no freaking venting of hot air. How beautiful is that? Very.

the moisture laden air has to go somewhere. venting it into
the house is not a great thing to do sometimes (in the middle
of winter it's not so bad, but in the humid summer months i
sure would not want to have it in the house instead of going
outside).

songbird

On 2024-01-25 5:58 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-01-25, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> When my husband catches one in his live trap, he has a rig for covering
>> the trap and gassing them with car exhaust. There's some risk while
>> he's covering the trap, but so far, so good.
>
>
> Skunks exude a powerful presence, enjoyable by people up to a half-mile
> or more away.
I have lived here for 45 years and there was only one night when I
smelled a skunk. The next day there was skunk road kill about a half
mile down the road. Ever since cannabis was legalized and a bunch of
legal grow ops opened up I occasionally smell something skunky in the
air and it is the odor of the pot farms.

On 1/26/2024 8:45 AM, songbird wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> ...
>> I've seen some combo washer/dryers being sold in the US. You can wash your clothes without loading up a dryer. The Brits like to wash their clothes in the kitchen so it's quite handy to have a single machine for that job. Some of them use a heat pump instead of gas or heating elements. That's a good idea. The good news is that these heat pump dryers are more efficient than regular dryers. They can run on plain old 120 volts and there's no freaking venting of hot air. How beautiful is that? Very.
>
> the moisture laden air has to go somewhere. venting it into
> the house is not a great thing to do sometimes (in the middle
> of winter it's not so bad, but in the humid summer months i
> sure would not want to have it in the house instead of going
> outside).
>
>
> songbird

Venting hot damp air into the house also induces mold growth.

Jill

On 2024-01-26 13:26:43 +0000, songbird said:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>> On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
>>>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.
>>>>
>>>> Please post a video of that.
>>>
>>> it's sad that people do that to them.
>>
>> C'mon, man. Hissing at a skunk and making it feel unwelcome is
>> no big deal. They don't even run. It's more like they figure
>> "I don't have to put up with this crap".
>
> my comment was about gassing them when caught in a
> live trap.
>
>
>>> we don't normally
>>> see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
>>> of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
>>> mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
>>> are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.
>>
>> My husband checks the yard at bedtime. Sometimes there's a skunk
>> 15-20 feet away from the house. Sometimes I check the yard when
>> I get up at 4 or 5 am. Ditto.
>>
>>> i do smell
>>> them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
>>> eat worms and slugs. harmless.
>>
>> They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
>> want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
>> a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
>> another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?
>
> no, just look where you're walking... poisoning
> things is usually worse than just paving it over.
>
>
>> They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.
>
> OMG *rolls eyes*
>
>
> songbird

LOL. Her trapper bubba will also need to go to work full time to make
even a small dent in the skunk population. Besides it isn't all that
smart to mess around with a live skunk.

On 2024-01-26, bob wrote:

> Besides it isn't all that smart to mess around with a live skunk.

The last time I got really close to one was walking my dog
at night and I thought I saw an albino ostrich plume waving
in the breeze.

Since there are not many wild ostriches in Quebec,
(and even less albinoes), I went closer to investigate.

I was close enough to pluck it out of the ground
before I realized that it was a baby skunk.

Lucky for me, babies cannot spray.

On 2024-01-26, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-01-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote:
>>>> On 1/25/2024 5:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't get close enough to worry about it. When I see a skunk at the
>>>>> bird feeder, I lean out the back door and hiss. They lumber away.
>>>>
>>>> Please post a video of that.
>>>
>>> it's sad that people do that to them.
>>
>> C'mon, man. Hissing at a skunk and making it feel unwelcome is
>> no big deal. They don't even run. It's more like they figure
>> "I don't have to put up with this crap".
>
> my comment was about gassing them when caught in a
> live trap.

There are always more skunks. I just can't worry about them.

>
>>> we don't normally
>>> see them around here, but they feed on about the same sorts
>>> of things that raccoons and possums go after (minus the
>>> mudbugs). hmm, in fact, i've never seen them because they
>>> are nocturnal and i'm rarely outside at night.
>>
>> My husband checks the yard at bedtime. Sometimes there's a skunk
>> 15-20 feet away from the house. Sometimes I check the yard when
>> I get up at 4 or 5 am. Ditto.
>>
>>> i do smell
>>> them. they dig up grubs from the grass and probably also
>>> eat worms and slugs. harmless.
>>
>> They dig up the grass. I'm not a big lawn person, but I don't
>> want holes in what pathetic lawn I've got. My ankles have had
>> a hard enough life without turning one of them by stepping into
>> another hole in the yard. Would it be better to put down GrubEx?
>
> no, just look where you're walking... poisoning
> things is usually worse than just paving it over.

I can't always look where I'm walking. Sometimes I'm looking
at where I'm going.

>
>> They stink. I sometimes can't open a window at night.
>
> OMG *rolls eyes*

Causing me to run the air-conditioning when the weather outside
is 50 F.

--
Cindy Hamilton