On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:01:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 3/16/2024 5:46 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 16 Mar 2024 20:53:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.
>>>>
>>>> We, at least, have a functioning democracy. We got rid of him
>>>> once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.
>>>
>>> Maybe the US should introduce a basic, low-level intelligence test. If
>>> you don't pass you can't vote.
>>
>> Yeah, they had something like that to keep black people from voting.
>> I don't think it's a good idea. Too much scope for abuse.
>>
>Bruce should not try to meddle in (or understand) US voting rights.

Sometimes an outsider's perspective helps :)

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>
>> I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>> one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>> off.
>
>AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very
>young but it is not to be discounted.

Does living through the Blitz make someone smarter? More objective?
Wiser? I didn't think so.

>Bruce lives in his own little bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing
>everything. Have a bite of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!

You forgot "tortured".

+50!On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:06:55 +0000, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 16/03/2024 18:33, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>
>>> Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but
>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their
>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>> see this.
>>
>> 30,000 dead and counting is not justifiable. Saying that doesn't make
>> me an antisemite. It makes me anti-Netanyahu. You're just as bad as
>> the hysterical woke people who call everybody racist, anti-trans and
>> whatnot.
>>
>+1

+50!

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:20:57 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>>>> The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was
>>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
>>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
>>>> pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.
>>>
>>> An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
>>> killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
>>> got them all.
>>
>> I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
>> Lebanon all of this time!
>
>The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
>I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
>Jerusalem as "occupied".

If one goes to google and asks for Palestine in 1948 (when the UK
insisted Israel have some Palestinian land) and Palestine today you
can clearly see how they have treated Palestinians and stolen their
land without any hesitation.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:23:54 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-16 1:07 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
>>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
>>>>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
>>>>>> is a whacko.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
>>>>>>> him in November.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
>>>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
>>>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
>>>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but
>>>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their
>>>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>>>> see this.
>>>>
>>>> You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
>>>> them if they mean Gaza!
>>>
>>> This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
>>> Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
>>> against what Netanyahu's doing.
>>
>> I do see some protesting, but not much. The illegal west bank settlers adore
>> him.
>Just corrected your comment!

I didn't see it??

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:29:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>
>> D wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
>>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was
>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see
>>>>>> it. He
>>>>>> is a whacko.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
>>>>>>> him in November.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
>>>>>> incursion
>>>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
>>>>>> underestimated
>>>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages
>>>>> but
>>>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for
>>>>> their
>>>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>>>> see this.
>>>>
>>>> You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
>>>> them if they mean Gaza!
>>>>
>>
>>> Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that
>>> israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that
>>> there is none.
>>
>>> Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind
>>> the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can stop
>>> this tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> Thank you...!!!
>>
>> Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease -
>> fire *already* in effect on *6* October...
>>
>> Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???
>>
>> Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???
>>
>> If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between
>> Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???
>>
>> Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
>Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
>become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
>understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
>emotional.

Well anyone who can blind themselves to the plight of mothers and kids
in Gaza, needs help IMO

On 16 Mar 2024 20:52:16 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 2024-03-16, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.
>
>They can't. Hamas has the guns and explosives. It's been that
>way for-fricking-ever.
>
>"No, you can't hide in my house."
>"Yes, I can." Bam.

Correct, I believe

On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
>>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
>>>>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
>>>>>> is a whacko.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
>>>>>>> him in November.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
>>>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
>>>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
>>>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but
>>>>>instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their
>>>>>own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>>>>see this.
>>>>
>>>>You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
>>>>and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
>>>>politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
>>>>them if they mean Gaza!
>>>
>>>This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
>>>Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
>>>against what Netanyahu's doing.
>>
>> I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
>> him.
>
>Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?

Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!

On 17/03/2024 00:47, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
>>>> Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
>>>> against what Netanyahu's doing.
>>>
>>> I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
>>> him.
>>
>> Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?
>
> Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
> fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!
>
I know quite a few US Jews - not ONE of them supports Netanyahu.
Not statistically valid, of course...

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>
>>
>> I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>> one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>> off.
>
>AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very
>young but it is not to be discounted. Bruce lives in his own little
>bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing everything. Have a bite
>of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!
>
>Jill

Yes, I did live through the Blitz but I was lucky, we had a shelter.
The poor people in Gaza do not, can't imagine what that is like :(

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>
>>I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>>off.
>
>I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.
>
>But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
>the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.

Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:34:39 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>>
>>> I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>>> one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>>> off.
>>
>>AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very
>>young but it is not to be discounted.
>
>Does living through the Blitz make someone smarter? More objective?
>Wiser? I didn't think so.
>
>>Bruce lives in his own little bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing
>>everything. Have a bite of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!
>
>You forgot "tortured".

Living through the Blitz teaches you the sense of fear of the dark
hours when 'planes fly overhead dropping bombs. I don't know whether
that still is so, probably worse with drones dropping them 24/24, I
don't know. To this day, I know the sound of a siren evokes a
reaction in me and so it does to another woman who lives in my
building, she was Prussian living in Germany through the war, we have
often discussed it and it was pretty much the same for both of us as
kids.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>>
>>>I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>>>off.
>>
>>I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.
>>
>>But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
>>the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.
>
>Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
>other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
>in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.

I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
Jews in general.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was
>>>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
>>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
>>>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
>>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
>>>>> pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.
>>>>
>>>> An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
>>>> killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
>>>> got them all.
>>>
>>> I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
>>> Lebanon all of this time!
>>
>> The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
>> I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
>> Jerusalem as "occupied".
>
> Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
> news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.
>

The hell with both of them. The jews and arabs have been fighting since
before recorded history. They will continue forever, unless one side gets
the upper hand and kills every last one of their foes. All they've ever
wanted to do is fight.

If the west really wants to end their conflicts, the best approach would be
to give both sides some small, outdated, kiloton range nuclear weapons and
old short range missiles. Old Pershing missiles or similar would be good
enough for these assholes to exterminate each other.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/16/2024 5:46 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 16 Mar 2024 20:53:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:26 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd think the people of Gaza would try to get rid of Hamas.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd think the people of the US would try to get rid of Trump.
>>>>
>>>> We, at least, have a functioning democracy.  We got rid of him
>>>> once--but like crotch rot, he just keeps coming back.
>>>
>>> Maybe the US should introduce a basic, low-level intelligence test. If
>>> you don't pass you can't vote.
>>
>> Yeah, they had something like that to keep black people from voting.
>> I don't think it's a good idea.  Too much scope for abuse.
>>
> Bruce should not try to meddle in (or understand) US voting rights.
>
> Jill

Why doesn't your majesty ban his sorry ass?

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:10:13 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:34:39 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>>>> one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>>>> off.
>>>
>>>AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII. She must have been very
>>>young but it is not to be discounted.
>>
>>Does living through the Blitz make someone smarter? More objective?
>>Wiser? I didn't think so.
>>
>>>Bruce lives in his own little bubble on the outside, sitting back criticizing
>>>everything. Have a bite of diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!
>>
>>You forgot "tortured".
>
>Living through the Blitz teaches you the sense of fear of the dark
>hours when 'planes fly overhead dropping bombs. I don't know whether
>that still is so, probably worse with drones dropping them 24/24, I
>don't know. To this day, I know the sound of a siren evokes a
>reaction in me and so it does to another woman who lives in my
>building, she was Prussian living in Germany through the war, we have
>often discussed it and it was pretty much the same for both of us as
>kids.

I didn't live through that and I also think what Netanyahu's doing is
wrong. I've always known he's evil.

One of the reasons I always sided with Israel is that Israel wants
peace, but Hamas wants the destruction of Israel. Constructive vs.
destructive. Then came Netanyahu.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/16/2024 6:45 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>
>>
>> I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>> one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>> off.
>
> AFAIK lucretia lived through the Blitz in WWII.  She must have been very
> young but it is not to be discounted.  Bruce lives in his own little bubble
> on the outside, sitting back criticizing everything.  Have a bite of
> diseased factory chicken, Leo, that will make him happy!
>
> Jill

Things would settle down here, if only your majesty would allow bruce to
sniff your royal ass hole.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:00:07 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
>>> I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
>>> Jerusalem as "occupied".
>>
>> Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
>> news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.
>>
>
>The hell with both of them. The jews and arabs have been fighting since
>before recorded history. They will continue forever, unless one side gets
>the upper hand and kills every last one of their foes. All they've ever
>wanted to do is fight.
>
>If the west really wants to end their conflicts, the best approach would be
>to give both sides some small, outdated, kiloton range nuclear weapons and
>old short range missiles. Old Pershing missiles or similar would be good
>enough for these assholes to exterminate each other.

Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
Arabs?

GM wrote:
> D wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>
>>> D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years
>>>>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
>>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
>>>>>>>> sociopath.  Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
>>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not
>>>>>>> see it. He
>>>>>>> is a whacko.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
>>>>>>>> candidate.  I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
>>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
>>>>>>>> him in November.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
>>>>>>> incursion
>>>>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>>>>> hostages.  People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages.  The bastards
>>>>>>> underestimated
>>>>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given
>>>>>>> something to
>>>>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the
>>>>>> hostages but
>>>>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>>>>> see this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
>>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
>>>>> politics.  Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
>>>>> them if they mean Gaza!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof
>>>> that israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will
>>>> find, that there is none.
>>>
>>>> Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in
>>>> mind the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas
>>>> can stop this tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you...!!!
>>>
>>> Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a
>>> cease - fire *already* in effect on *6* October...
>>>
>>> Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???
>>>
>>> Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???
>>>
>>> If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire"
>>> between Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???
>>>
>>> Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???
>>>
>>> :-)
>
>> Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
>> become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
>> understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
>> emotional.
>
>
> Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the West...
>
> The US mainstream media (NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, MSNBC,
> National Public Radio/TV, Associated Press...) increasingly resemble the
> "state media" of the old Soviet Bloc, e.g. Soviet Pravda/Izvestia/TASS,
> East German Neues Deutschland, and the present - day Cuban and North Korean
> "media organs"...
>
> Fortunately, we still have a "free press", but the left would dearly love
> to shut down "the opposition"...
> Europe is not much better - the BBC, the German media, etc. are dire - not
> to mention Canada, where the government actually subsidises "approved" news
> outlets...!!!
>
> I used to scoff at the idea of a US "Deep State", but this "Deep State"
> went into really "high gear" when Trump ran for and was elected
> President... it included the mainstream media, US Federal agencies (the
> FBI...), social media (Twitter, Facebook...) and the Obama - Clinton -
> Democratic Cabal...
>
> Vast sums and valuable time were/are wasted on "Russian collusion", the 6
> January 2021 "coup", etcetera...
>
> However "small", I *am* heartened by the recent events in Ireland:
>
> Anti-Elite Votes in Europe Prove Populism’s Potency Once More
>
> https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/anti-elite-votes-in-europe-prove-populisms-potency-once-more/
>
>
> "Ireland might seem to be an odd place for a populist uprising. It has
> swung sharply to the cultural left in recent years, approving same-sex
> marriage and legalizing first-trimester abortion by overwhelming margins.
> Yet even here the voters will put up with only so much social
> progressivism, as last weekend’s vote decisively rejecting two referenda
> demonstrated.
>
> The two votes were over whether to change the Irish constitution to remove
> language stating that marriage was the basis of family, and that mothers
> and women have a special duty to the family and to care of family members.
> The Irish elite considered these references to be sexist and gendered and
> thought they would easily gain assent to “updating” the constitution.
> The Irish themselves had other ideas. Sixty-eight percent rejected the
> measure changing the status of marriage, and 73 percent rejected the one
> removing references to mothers and women..."
>

Trump would fix all this shit the day after inauguration as dictator for life.

GM wrote:
> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.  Trump has used them.
>>>> > Haven't you?  I certainly have.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
>>>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
>>>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
>>>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
>>>> voting to have a voice.
>>>
>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
>>> vote....
>
>
>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee
>> requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
>> Sitting on your dead butt, high on coke and handing your blank, but
>> signed, ballot to a "community organizer" for a "consideration" isn't
>> what this country should be about. I just learned what "butt" means, so
>> I'm using it. "Butt" sounds way more
>> definitive than "arse". ;)
>
>
> Hmmm... I smell the distinct odor of "ballot harvesting" wafting about...
>
> ;-)
>

Does it smell like trump's ass?

lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:29:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>
>>> D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
>>>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
>>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
>>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
>>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see
>>>>>>> it. He
>>>>>>> is a whacko.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
>>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
>>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
>>>>>>>> him in November.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
>>>>>>> incursion
>>>>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
>>>>>>> underestimated
>>>>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>>>>> see this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
>>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
>>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
>>>>> them if they mean Gaza!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that
>>>> israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that
>>>> there is none.
>>>
>>>> Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind
>>>> the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can stop
>>>> this tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you...!!!
>>>
>>> Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease -
>>> fire *already* in effect on *6* October...
>>>
>>> Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???
>>>
>>> Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???
>>>
>>> If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between
>>> Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???
>>>
>>> Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
>> become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
>> understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
>> emotional.
>
> Well anyone who can blind themselves to the plight of mothers and kids
> in Gaza, needs help IMO
>

We should airdrop an aid package to every woman and child in gaza: An M-16
rifle, 500 rnds ammo, 5 claymore mines and 12 grenades.

We should do the same for those in israel.

And let them fight it out.

Hank Rogers wrote:

> GM wrote:
>> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.  Trump has used them.
>>>>> > Haven't you?  I certainly have.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good reason to
>>>>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or absentee.
>>>>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling station to vote in
>>>>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care enough about
>>>>> voting to have a voice.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
>>>> vote....
>>
>>
>>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in. Absentee
>>> requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
>>> Sitting on your dead butt, high on coke and handing your blank, but
>>> signed, ballot to a "community organizer" for a "consideration" isn't
>>> what this country should be about. I just learned what "butt" means, so
>>> I'm using it. "Butt" sounds way more
>>> definitive than "arse". ;)
>>
>>
>> Hmmm... I smell the distinct odor of "ballot harvesting" wafting about...
>>
>> ;-)
>>

> Does it smell like trump's ass?

Nope, Miss Bwuthie's sorry useless Oztard ass, lol...

--
GM

Hank Rogers wrote:

> GM wrote:
>> D wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>
>>>> D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years
>>>>>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was
>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
>>>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
>>>>>>>>> sociopath.  Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
>>>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not
>>>>>>>> see it. He
>>>>>>>> is a whacko.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
>>>>>>>>> candidate.  I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
>>>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
>>>>>>>>> him in November.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
>>>>>>>> incursion
>>>>>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>>>>>> hostages.  People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages.  The bastards
>>>>>>>> underestimated
>>>>>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given
>>>>>>>> something to
>>>>>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the
>>>>>>> hostages but
>>>>>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>>>>>> see this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
>>>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
>>>>>> politics.  Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
>>>>>> them if they mean Gaza!
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof
>>>>> that israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will
>>>>> find, that there is none.
>>>>
>>>>> Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in
>>>>> mind the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas
>>>>> can stop this tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you...!!!
>>>>
>>>> Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a
>>>> cease - fire *already* in effect on *6* October...
>>>>
>>>> Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???
>>>>
>>>> Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???
>>>>
>>>> If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire"
>>>> between Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???
>>>>
>>>> Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>
>>> Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
>>> become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
>>> understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
>>> emotional.
>>
>>
>> Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the West...
>>
>> The US mainstream media (NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, MSNBC,
>> National Public Radio/TV, Associated Press...) increasingly resemble the
>> "state media" of the old Soviet Bloc, e.g. Soviet Pravda/Izvestia/TASS,
>> East German Neues Deutschland, and the present - day Cuban and North Korean
>> "media organs"...
>>
>> Fortunately, we still have a "free press", but the left would dearly love
>> to shut down "the opposition"...
>> Europe is not much better - the BBC, the German media, etc. are dire - not
>> to mention Canada, where the government actually subsidises "approved" news
>> outlets...!!!
>>
>> I used to scoff at the idea of a US "Deep State", but this "Deep State"
>> went into really "high gear" when Trump ran for and was elected
>> President... it included the mainstream media, US Federal agencies (the
>> FBI...), social media (Twitter, Facebook...) and the Obama - Clinton -
>> Democratic Cabal...
>>
>> Vast sums and valuable time were/are wasted on "Russian collusion", the 6
>> January 2021 "coup", etcetera...
>>
>> However "small", I *am* heartened by the recent events in Ireland:
>>
>> Anti-Elite Votes in Europe Prove Populism’s Potency Once More
>>
>> https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/anti-elite-votes-in-europe-prove-populisms-potency-once-more/
>>
>>
>> "Ireland might seem to be an odd place for a populist uprising. It has
>> swung sharply to the cultural left in recent years, approving same-sex
>> marriage and legalizing first-trimester abortion by overwhelming margins.
>> Yet even here the voters will put up with only so much social
>> progressivism, as last weekend’s vote decisively rejecting two referenda
>> demonstrated.
>>
>> The two votes were over whether to change the Irish constitution to remove
>> language stating that marriage was the basis of family, and that mothers
>> and women have a special duty to the family and to care of family members.
>> The Irish elite considered these references to be sexist and gendered and
>> thought they would easily gain assent to “updating” the constitution.
>> The Irish themselves had other ideas. Sixty-eight percent rejected the
>> measure changing the status of marriage, and 73 percent rejected the one
>> removing references to mothers and women..."
>>

> Trump would fix all this shit the day after inauguration as dictator for life.

That's right, and Popeye will then be crowned King of the Jews...

The Old Sailor will go RIGHT over and "settle the hash" of all them pesky Enemies of Israel...

--
GM

lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
>> <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>>
>>> I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>>> one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>>> off.
>>
>> I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.
>>
>> But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
>> the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.
>
> Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
> other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
> in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.
>

It's real simple. Jews and arabs hate each other. They desperately want to
kill each other. It's been that way for millenia.

It will always be that way as long as they both exist.

On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> It may. OTOH, a really thorough trouncing might make the Palestinians
> realize that they were defeated. Look at post WWII Germany and Japan.
> They had started the war and were so badly beaten they had to face the
> fact that they had been totally defeated.

Please have the subtlety to distinguish between "Hamas" and
"Palestinians". I'm sure starving babies don't need a thorough
trouncing.

Hamas are fanatics. They won't face facts, except this one:
Israel has been shitting on Palestinians for 56 years.

--
Cindy Hamilton