On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

>> Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
>> become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
>> understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
>> emotional.
>
>
> Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the
> West...

You bet! I see the same thing and I'm sitting in the middle of
"socialist heaven"... europe.

> The US mainstream media (NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, National
> Public Radio/TV, Associated Press...) increasingly resemble the "state media"
> of the old Soviet Bloc, e.g. Soviet Pravda/Izvestia/TASS, East German Neues
> Deutschland, and the present - day Cuban and North Korean "media organs"...

Don't forget SVT, the swedish public television. There was an academic
publication that analyzed political identity of the employees of SVT
many years ago and I think they came to the concluion that 70% where
either socialist, communist or green.

Trump is basically identified with Satan and climate change will kill
the planet tomorrow. That's basically their current major themes except
for Nato and how Trump wants to destroy Nato tomorrow and let russia
invade sweden.

> Fortunately, we still have a "free press", but the left would dearly love to
> shut down "the opposition"...
> Europe is not much better - the BBC, the German media, etc. are dire - not to
> mention Canada, where the government actually subsidises "approved" news
> outlets...!!!

Europe is absolutely horrible (see above). I do enjoy BBC:s in our time
and some non-political content, but that's about it. I think the least
socialist news are the telegraph in the UK and possibly the times.

> I used to scoff at the idea of a US "Deep State", but this "Deep State" went
> into really "high gear" when Trump ran for and was elected President... it
> included the mainstream media, US Federal agencies (the FBI...), social media
> (Twitter, Facebook...) and the Obama - Clinton - Democratic Cabal...

Ohh let me tell you about another example of the european deep state,
since there was a leak. A letter was leaked to the media after
the current government (center, slightly right with support from the
nationalist, so probably equivalent to the right wing of the democratic
party in the US) came into power from the foreign department.

What was the problem? The nationalists of course. So apparently at least
50% of the employees at the foreign department had signed a letter where
they promised not to carry out the foreign policy of the nationalist
party in order to fight for democracy.

I think the main ones responsible where quickly kicked out or reassigned
to other government departments and then it was hushed down.

This is just the top of the ice berg. So rest assured that the same
thing is happening in the US against Trump and in argentina against
Milei.

> Vast sums and valuable time were/are wasted on "Russian collusion", the 6
> January 2021 "coup", etcetera...

Did people not see the photos? People where let in, roaming around and
then leaving. That was not a coup. And Trump was not part of it, he was
on a stage speaking, not roaming around in some government building.

> However "small", I *am* heartened by the recent events in Ireland:
>
> Anti-Elite Votes in Europe Prove Populism’s Potency Once More
>
> https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/anti-elite-votes-in-europe-prove-populisms-potency-once-more/
>

Watch the european parliament election in june. The left are deadly
afraid that the public will revolt against all stupid environmental
policies that makes their life impossible and expensive and vote
right/nationalist.

I believe there is a clear right/nationalist trend in europe at the
moment, so I hope the right/nationalists will get a majority in the EU
and then that undemocratic institution (I was never allowed to vote for
its constitution btw, since the irish voted "wrong" other public votes
where scrapped) will grind to a halt for 5 years and stop the madness
temporarily.

Then the public will have forgotten, socialists will return and will
dismantle EU industry even more. But such is life. When my father dies,
I'm more and more strongly thinking about perhaps moving to some very
republican and rural place in the US to retire in peace.

Best regards,
Daniel

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:24:14 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>
>>> Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
>>> become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
>>> understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
>>> emotional.
>>
>> Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the
>> West...
>
>You bet! I see the same thing and I'm sitting in the middle of
>"socialist heaven"... europe.

Most of Europe has a right wing government at the moment. Just because
they're not fascists, doesn't mean they're socialists.

<snipped the rest unread, phew>

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2024-03-16 3:20 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who was
>>>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there.  He
>>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
>>>>>>> over the entire region.  I wouldn't discount it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
>>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
>>>>> pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.
>>>>
>>>> An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
>>>> killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
>>>> got them all.
>>>
>>> I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
>>> Lebanon all of this time!
>>
>> The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
>> I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
>> Jerusalem as "occupied".
>
> It may. OTOH, a really thorough trouncing might make the Palestinians realize
> that they were defeated. Look at post WWII Germany and Japan. They had
> started the war and were so badly beaten they had to face the fact that they
> had been totally defeated.
>
>
>

Perhaps they'll realize that since everything had been (or will be) bombed
to pieces, there is not way they can rebuild on their own, and will
instead use sob stories to get international funding.

I hope that that international funding will come with strict requirements
about governance for the area.

Not like now when the UN has been funding Hamas, but real controls. I
think there is much to be said for israel administering such a program,
since we can then be sure that there won't be any hidden funding and
rebuilds of hamas.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so
>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so
>> sure.
>
>
> While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
> Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote.
> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.
>

Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two people
in this forum, right? ;)

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:29:51 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>
>>> D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
>>>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
>>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
>>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
>>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see
>>>>>>> it. He
>>>>>>> is a whacko.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
>>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
>>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
>>>>>>>> him in November.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent
>>>>>>> incursion
>>>>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards
>>>>>>> underestimated
>>>>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>>>>> see this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
>>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
>>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
>>>>> them if they mean Gaza!
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Making that comparison is absurd and morally revolting. Show me proof that
>>>> israel is actively hunting down and killing children. You will find, that
>>>> there is none.
>>>
>>>> Innocent people die in all wars, and that is sad, but let's keep in mind
>>>> the truth that israel are defending themselves here and that Hamas can stop
>>>> this tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you...!!!
>>>
>>> Lucrezia and Cindy Hamilton here seem to "forget" that there *was* a cease -
>>> fire *already* in effect on *6* October...
>>>
>>> Now, what party *breached* that cease - fire...???
>>>
>>> Who is *really* guilty of "war crimes"...???
>>>
>>> If this was late 1939, would they be yammering about a "cease - fire" between
>>> Germany and Poland, and accusing the Poles of "war crimes"...???
>>>
>>> Who was it that said, "Facts are funny things"..???
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
>> become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
>> understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
>> emotional.
>
> Well anyone who can blind themselves to the plight of mothers and kids
> in Gaza, needs help IMO
>

True. The israeli mothers and kids who were attacked by hamas. I
understand that.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-16 1:14 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:49:20 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:31:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 11:50 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:47:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The man I work with went to a Christian church to hear a Rabbi who
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> recently back from Israel talk about what is going on over there. He
>>>>>>>> blames the Shi'a Iranians backing the conflict in an attempt to take
>>>>>>>> over the entire region. I wouldn't discount it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He could be right but whatever, whomever, think of the ordinary people
>>>>>>> and children being bombed, starving etc. I'm on their side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems to be hard for them to acknowledge that they are taking a
>>>>>> pounding in the aftermath of a war they started.
>>>>>
>>>>> An innocent population is taking the pounding. If Israel was only
>>>>> killing Hamas or even mainly Hamas, I'd say keep going until you've
>>>>> got them all.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure the Hamas people have all been safely across the border in
>>>> Lebanon all of this time!
>>>
>>> The devastation in Gaza will result in massive recruitment to Hamas.
>>> I note that the CBC has started referring to the West Bank and East
>>> Jerusalem as "occupied".
>>
>> Didn't they use that same term in the 1970s? I didn't follow the
>> news very closely when I was in high school, but it seems familiar.
>>
>
> The hell with both of them. The jews and arabs have been fighting since
> before recorded history. They will continue forever, unless one side gets the
> upper hand and kills every last one of their foes. All they've ever wanted to
> do is fight.
>
> If the west really wants to end their conflicts, the best approach would be
> to give both sides some small, outdated, kiloton range nuclear weapons and
> old short range missiles. Old Pershing missiles or similar would be good
> enough for these assholes to exterminate each other.
>
>
There's the classic joke. How do we contain the wars? Easy! Build a wall
around the area, but on a lid, wait 100 years and the problem will have
taken care of itself. ;)

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:12:36 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
>>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>>>
>>>>I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>>>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>>>>off.
>>>
>>>I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.
>>>
>>>But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
>>>the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.
>>
>>Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
>>other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
>>in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.
>
>I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
>Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
>Jews in general.

Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
power.

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:55:19 +0000, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 17/03/2024 00:47, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
>>>>> Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
>>>>> against what Netanyahu's doing.
>>>>
>>>> I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
>>>> him.
>>>
>>> Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?
>>
>> Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
>> fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!
>>
>I know quite a few US Jews - not ONE of them supports Netanyahu.
>Not statistically valid, of course...

Maybe not, but I am glad to hear that some see it all from this side
of the ocean and feel it is totally wrong - seems really to take us
back centuries proving we haven't learned much :(

On 3/16/2024 8:47 PM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2024 20:54:09 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:09 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:23:57 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:02:49 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16 5:43 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They can't be too good if they weren't sounding that alarm 8 years ago
>>>>>>>>> when he started his first run at the presidency. I thought it was pretty
>>>>>>>>> obvious at that time that he was nuts. When he won the nomination I
>>>>>>>>> assumed that they had just given the presidency to Hillary Clinton.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They've been saying since 2016 that he's a malignant narcissist and
>>>>>>>> sociopath. Now they're adding his increasingly obvious dementia.
>>>>>>> It's been so obvious for so long I don't know how anyone could not see it. He
>>>>>>> is a whacko.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like most reasonable Americans, I wish we had a younger Democratic
>>>>>>>> candidate. I like what Biden's been doing (except continuing to
>>>>>>>> enable Israel to commit war crimes), so I'll be happy to vote for
>>>>>>>> him in November.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't get too excited over Israel's reaction to Hamas's violent incursion
>>>>>>> into Israel, the murder of 1500 innocent civilians and the taking of
>>>>>>> hostages. People are screaming for a cease fire when they should be
>>>>>>> screaming for Hamas to give up the hostages. The bastards underestimated
>>>>>>> Israel's response to their atrocities and they are being given something to
>>>>>>> think about the next time they want to try something like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly! Hamas can end the war tomorrow by just giving up the hostages but
>>>>>> instead they are the ones who want to sacrifice their own people for their
>>>>>> own financial benefit and power. Horrible how so many antisemites cannot
>>>>>> see this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be surprised - I wasn't antisemitic until Netanyahu went beserk
>>>>> and doesn't give a damn how many little kids they kill in the name of
>>>>> politics. Now if any Jewish person says holocaust to me, I'll ask
>>>>> them if they mean Gaza!
>>>>
>>>> This is an often made mistake. Netanyahu doesn't represent all Jews.
>>>> Israel also doesn't represent all Jews. There are many Jews who are
>>>> against what Netanyahu's doing.
>>>
>>> I do see some protesting, but not much. The west bank settlers adore
>>> him.
>>
>> Are you aware that there are Jews who do not live in Israel?
>
> Yes of course, in the USA and that is why Biden constantly does not
> fire at Netanyahu, the 'Jewish vote' in the USA!

I only know three, no make that four, Jewish people (that I know of).
None of them support or voted for Biden. It astonishes me they fail to
recognize if Trump had lived in Hitler's time he would have been
goose-stepping right alongside.

Jill

D wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

>> On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so
>>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so
>>> sure.
>>
>>
>> While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
>> Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote.
>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.
>>

> Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two people
> in this forum, right? ;)

On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...); Dave Smith, a Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement Syndrome", lol...:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

"Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for criticism or negative reactions to former United States president Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration..."

;-)

--
GM

On 3/17/2024 9:08 AM, GM wrote:
> D wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
>>> On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity
>>>> retrogress so
>>>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm
>>>> not so
>>>> sure.
>>>
>>>
>>> While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
>>> Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote.
>>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.
>>>
>
>> Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two
>> people in this forum, right? ;)
>
>
> On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices
> of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...);  Dave Smith, a
> Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many
> here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement Syndrome", lol...:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
>
> "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for
> criticism or negative reactions to former United States president Donald
> Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little regard
> towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his
> administration..."
>
> ;-)
>
Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

Bruce wrote:
....
> Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
> Arabs?

yes, IMO we need an actual effective world government
and not this patched up piece of crap we currently have.

imagine having not to have to spend so much money and
wasted resources and time on worrying about conflicts
that won't happen and instead only having to deal with
the conflicts that are happening. perhaps the extra
funds could go into healthcare, housing and cleaning up
toxic stuff...

songbird

Bruce wrote:
....
> By the way, I'm not saying that Americans are dumber than Europeans or
> Australians. That's unlikely. But in the US the dumber ones have a
> stronger tendency to vote for a clown, apparently.

when the party is clown enough to put a clown up for a vote
that's what happens.

the clown barely got elected the first time. we had the
warning from when a shrub got elected via the same sort of
happening, but the system was not fixed. so we got what we
deserved.

songbird

Ed P wrote:

> On 3/17/2024 9:08 AM, GM wrote:
>> D wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>
>>>> On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity
>>>>> retrogress so
>>>>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm
>>>>> not so
>>>>> sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
>>>> Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote.
>>>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.
>>>>
>>
>>> Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two
>>> people in this forum, right? ;)
>>
>>
>> On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices
>> of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...);  Dave Smith, a
>> Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many
>> here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement Syndrome", lol...:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
>>
>> "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for
>> criticism or negative reactions to former United States president Donald
>> Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little regard
>> towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his
>> administration..."
>>
>> ;-)
>>
> Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

Apologies, Ed, you are somewhat conservative - leaning and thus "practical - minded"...

In my Sunday Morning Chat With God today, however, I said, "God, please make Ed 'see the light' about our wonderful Saviour President Trump - I will also pray for Ed's soul in this matter...!!!"

;-)

--
GM

On 2024-03-17, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 12:12:36 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:29 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:31:18 +1100, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 16 Mar 2024 22:45:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 2024-03-16, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucretia tends to be very one-sided and to only see what confirms her
>>>>>> existing opinion. Confirmation bias.
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe that lucretia has experienced total war and may be the only
>>>>>one here who has. I don't agree with her much, but I don't write her
>>>>>off.
>>>>
>>>>I only write Greg off, because he just trolls.
>>>>
>>>>But if an Arab man was nice to Lucretia in 1948, she'll forever be on
>>>>the Arab side and only see facts that confirm that.
>>>
>>>Sorry, normally I am non-racist but at the moment I fail to see why
>>>other people can't see the unfairness of this constant bombing of Gaza
>>>in Netanyahu's effort to eliminate totally, any Palestinians.
>>
>>I agree that the bombing is wrong. Lots of people, including many
>>Jews, feel that way. Aim your anger at Israel's right wing, not at
>>Jews in general.
>
> Then why haven't they made him stop, for instance, they could force
> him to resign and face the charges that are stayed while he is in
> power.

What leverage do they have on him? Especially the millions
of Jews who don't actually live in Israel.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-17, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

> Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.

Well, of course. MAGA isn't actually conservative. It's just a
cult for hating anyone different from its members.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-17, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> ...
>> Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
>> Arabs?
>
> yes, IMO we need an actual effective world government
> and not this patched up piece of crap we currently have.
>
> imagine having not to have to spend so much money and
> wasted resources and time on worrying about conflicts
> that won't happen and instead only having to deal with
> the conflicts that are happening. perhaps the extra
> funds could go into healthcare, housing and cleaning up
> toxic stuff...

Have you met any human beings? Conflict is what they do.
Ever since the second caveman killed the first caveman and
took his cave, his tools, and his women.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-17, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> ...
>> By the way, I'm not saying that Americans are dumber than Europeans or
>> Australians. That's unlikely. But in the US the dumber ones have a
>> stronger tendency to vote for a clown, apparently.
>
> when the party is clown enough to put a clown up for a vote
> that's what happens.
>
> the clown barely got elected the first time. we had the
> warning from when a shrub got elected via the same sort of
> happening, but the system was not fixed. so we got what we
> deserved.

The GOP didn't really want Trump. But the primary process tends
to drive toward the extremes. Once he was anointed, the GOP fell
in line behind them to maintain their power.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-17 5:05 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> It may. OTOH, a really thorough trouncing might make the Palestinians
>> realize that they were defeated. Look at post WWII Germany and Japan.
>> They had started the war and were so badly beaten they had to face the
>> fact that they had been totally defeated.
>
> Please have the subtlety to distinguish between "Hamas" and
> "Palestinians". I'm sure starving babies don't need a thorough
> trouncing.
>
> Hamas are fanatics. They won't face facts, except this one:
> Israel has been shitting on Palestinians for 56 years.
>

It's the fog of war. When rockets and mortars are being fired from the
middle of the street or from a school yard and there are Palestinian
civilians standing around watching and doing nothing to stop them it is
hard to tell them apart.

On 3/17/2024 9:18 AM, songbird wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> ...
>> Do you realise there are 16 million Jews worldwide and 465 million
>> Arabs?
>
> yes, IMO we need an actual effective world government
> and not this patched up piece of crap we currently have.
>
> imagine having not to have to spend so much money and
> wasted resources and time on worrying about conflicts
> that won't happen and instead only having to deal with
> the conflicts that are happening. perhaps the extra
> funds could go into healthcare, housing and cleaning up
> toxic stuff...
>
>
> songbird

That will work. Just have to get present leaders from every nation to
agree "I'm the best and only leader so we do things my way"

On 2024-03-17 6:43 a.m., D wrote:

> I hope that that international funding will come with strict
> requirements about governance for the area.
>
> Not like now when the UN has been funding Hamas, but real controls. I
> think there is much to be said for israel administering such a program,
> since we can then be sure that there won't be any hidden funding and
> rebuilds of hamas.

They have been receiving a lot of funding for years. It is curious that
they need so much international aid to provide food, medicine and
educational supplies but Hamas still has the resources to construct a
vast complex of tunnels and to buy rockets, mortars and other arms.

On 3/17/2024 9:39 AM, GM wrote:
> Ed P wrote:
>
>> On 3/17/2024 9:08 AM, GM wrote:
>>> D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity
>>>>>> retrogress so
>>>>>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm
>>>>>> not so
>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
>>>>> Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples
>>>>> vote.
>>>>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two
>>>> people in this forum, right? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate
>>> "voices of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...);  Dave
>>> Smith, a Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately,
>>> like many here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement
>>> Syndrome", lol...:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
>>>
>>> "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for
>>> criticism or negative reactions to former United States president
>>> Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little
>>> regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken
>>> by his administration..."
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>> Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.
>
>
> Apologies, Ed, you are somewhat conservative - leaning and thus
> "practical - minded"...
>
> In my Sunday Morning Chat With God today, however, I said, "God, please
> make Ed 'see the light' about our wonderful Saviour President Trump - I
> will also pray for Ed's soul in this matter...!!!"
>
> ;-)
>
I'll let you know in November if it worked.

Ed P wrote:

> On 3/17/2024 9:39 AM, GM wrote:
>> Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/17/2024 9:08 AM, GM wrote:
>>>> D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity
>>>>>>> retrogress so
>>>>>>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm
>>>>>>> not so
>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
>>>>>> Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples
>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two
>>>>> people in this forum, right? ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate
>>>> "voices of reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...);  Dave
>>>> Smith, a Canadian, is also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately,
>>>> like many here, he suffers that dread malady "Trump Derangement
>>>> Syndrome", lol...:
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
>>>>
>>>> "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for
>>>> criticism or negative reactions to former United States president
>>>> Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational and to have little
>>>> regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken
>>>> by his administration..."
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>> Some of us a conservative leaning but choose not to join the MAGA cult.
>>
>>
>> Apologies, Ed, you are somewhat conservative - leaning and thus
>> "practical - minded"...
>>
>> In my Sunday Morning Chat With God today, however, I said, "God, please
>> make Ed 'see the light' about our wonderful Saviour President Trump - I
>> will also pray for Ed's soul in this matter...!!!"
>>
>> ;-)
>>
> I'll let you know in November if it worked.

Fair enough... and I'll "sweeten the deal" - if you vote for President Trump, I'll gift you
one of those Viennese Sacher Tortes that I know you like:

https://www.sacher.com/en/original-sacher-torte/recipe/

;-D

--
GM

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:24:14 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes, that's true. I guess it is difficult to keep to the facts when you
>>>> become too emotionally involved. Given all the news coverage I can
>>>> understand it though. The news do earn their money by keeping things
>>>> emotional.
>>>
>>> Indeed, we see this amongst the mainstream "regime media" all over the
>>> West...
>>
>> You bet! I see the same thing and I'm sitting in the middle of
>> "socialist heaven"... europe.
>
> Most of Europe has a right wing government at the moment. Just because
> they're not fascists, doesn't mean they're socialists.
>
> <snipped the rest unread, phew>
>

You do know that right wing in europe and right wing in the US is vastly
different? Right wing in most of europe is basically right wing
democracts.

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

> D wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
>>> On 2024-03-15, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would never have dreamt that I would experience humanity retrogress so
>>>> much in my life. Before I used to believe in progress, but now I'm not so
>>>> sure.
>>>
>>>
>>> While searching for the "root cause", I came up with the Internet.
>>> Idiots become influencers. Influencers gather disciples. Disciples vote.
>>> Politicians scramble for clustered votes, and here we are.
>>>
>
>> Well, I'm sure that at least we've managed to influence one or two people
>> in this forum, right? ;)
>
>
> On this forum, Leo and myself are the two politically moderate "voices of
> reason" (of those of us who discuss politics...); Dave Smith, a Canadian, is
> also somewhat "reasonable", but unfortunately, like many here, he suffers
> that dread malady "Trump Derangement Syndrome", lol...:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
>
> "Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for criticism
> or negative reactions to former United States president Donald Trump that are
> perceived to be irrational and to have little regard towards Trump's actual
> policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration..."
>
> ;-)
>
>

Oh well, for the moment then, we're 3! ;)