Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> >> > >
> >> >>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you
> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
> >> > >
> >> >> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC
> to >> >> vote....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
> >>
> >> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
> voting >> would disagree with you.
> >
> > I'm unaware any have done that.
>
> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.

Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve the
ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special boxes,
mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up on either
early date to vote or election day.

> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections to
> be conducted entirely by mail.

Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.

>
> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
> elections by mail.

Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option

>
> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, and
> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.

Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.

>
> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
> elections for certain small jurisdictions.

Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.

>
>
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections

Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of any
states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other options for
presifential elections.

>
> > I just have issues with no id asked
> > for. They should allow for many types.
>
> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?

I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

You used to have to show a voter registration or the same documents you
use to get one if you lost your card.

>
> Each state has its own system for authenticating voters and ensuring
> safe ballot handling.

Yup.

cshenk wrote:

> songbird wrote:
>
> > cshenk wrote:
> > ...mail in voting...
> > > Yup! That's how military vote from all over the world. I didn't
> > > become a Virginia resident until 31May2009. Couldn't until I
> > > brought in my DD214 (honorable retirement paperwork proof). That
> > > let me register to vote in the state of Virginia vice South
> > > Carolina. Also simplified my taxes as I was paying state taxes in
> > > SC until the and now Don and I both pay Virginia.
> >
> > isn't it a great example of how Leo wants to control voting
> > to be allowed by only those who show up in person?
> >
> > you can almost hear his boots clicking together he's
> > puckered up so tight.
> >
> > disenfranchising elderly people and those unable to
> > travel to a polling station along with those serving our
> > country overseas (diplomats, agents and the military) is
> > a great way to tell people that their country's gov't (aka
> > us) cares for them.
> >
> >
> > songbird
>
> Yes, now he's trying to play games and pretend an absentee ballot is
> different from mail in. Good luck. Even on shore duty in Virginia
> before military retirement I had to do a mail in to SC because it was
> my legal state of residence.

(corrected a typo)

Janet wrote:
> In article
> <ekWdnQ5K2JHe12r4nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> cshenk@virginia-beach.net says...
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
>>> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
>>> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
>>> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling station
>>> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you don't care
>>> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC to
>>>>> vote....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
>>>> Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
>>>
>>> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in voting
>>> would disagree with you.
>>
>> I'm unaware any have done that.
>
> You are incredibly unaware of your own country.
>
> Janet UK
>

Her mind got locked into sasebo.

On 17/03/2024 21:01, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>
> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>
In 2020, Governor Murphy of New Jersey ordered that mail-in ballots be
sent to ALL registered voters (there was an option to turn up at the
polling station in person).
I was stranded in lockdown in Scotland at the time - it cost a fortune
to get my ballot special delivery, and send it back the same way, to
make sure I got my vote counted.

On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> >>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has used
>> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
>> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
>> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
>> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in), you
>> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
>> >> > >
>> >> >> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to SC
>> to >> >> vote....
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
>> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
>> voting >> would disagree with you.
>> >
>> > I'm unaware any have done that.
>>
>> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.
>
> Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
> plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve the
> ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special boxes,
> mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up on either
> early date to vote or election day.
>
>
>> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
>> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections to
>> be conducted entirely by mail.
>
> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
>
>>
>> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
>> elections by mail.
>
> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option
>
>>
>> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, and
>> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.
>
> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
> Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.
>
>>
>> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
>> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>
> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
> Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.

And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
embarrassed.

>>
>>
> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>
> Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of any
> states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other options for
> presifential elections.

Read down. Do some googling.

>>
>> > I just have issues with no id asked
>> > for. They should allow for many types.
>>
>> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>
> I'm talking voting in person at the polls.

Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
without requiring identification.

I haven't voted in person in quite some time, so I'm not current
on these things.

> You used to have to show a voter registration or the same documents you
> use to get one if you lost your card.
>
>>
>> Each state has its own system for authenticating voters and ensuring
>> safe ballot handling.
>
> Yup.
>

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-18 4:18 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 17/03/2024 21:01, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>>
> In 2020, Governor Murphy of New Jersey ordered that mail-in ballots be
> sent to ALL registered voters (there was an option to turn up at the
> polling station in person).
> I was stranded in lockdown in Scotland at the time - it cost a fortune
> to get my ballot special delivery, and send it back the same way, to
> make sure I got my vote counted.

I am not going to search for the source but I recall that there some
major concerns coming from the Republican camp about the mail in ballots
and that had a lot to do with their fears that Democrats would benefit.

Oh what the heck.... there are people here who will deny the facts.
https://www.science.org/content/article/do-republicans-or-democrats-benefit-mail-voting-it-turns-out-neither

In the United States, the coronavirus crisis has thrust a typically
wonky debate—the effectiveness of mail-in voting—into the political
spotlight. Republicans, led by President Donald Trump, this week again
warned that expanding the use of mail-in ballots could give Democrats an
edge in the November elections. Now, two independent studies suggest
there's little historical evidence to support that fear. But scientists
warn that by making vote by mail a partisan issue, Republicans could
lose mail-in votes and benefit Democrats in the midst of a caustic and
pandemic-marred election season.

Since 2000, a handful of states have switched almost exclusively to
voting by mail, including Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, and
Hawaii. Most researchers studied the moves to see whether they led to an
increase in voter participation; largely unexplored, says Brigham Young
University political scientist Michael Barber, was whether universal
mail-in voting benefited one political party over another.

That all changed when Republicans warned earlier this year that efforts
to expand vote by mail could benefit Democrats. Barber and political
scientist John Holbein at the University of Virginia decided to test
those claims by comparing voting behavior in counties that switched to
universal mail-in voting (175 counties in 2018) with the nearly 3000
counties that didn't. They also looked at voter behavior before and
after each changeover.

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They found that in presidential and midterm general elections between
1996 and 2018, switching to all-mail voting increased the percentage of
residents who voted by 1.8% to 2.9%, they report today in Science
Advances. When it came to the Democratic share of the vote, they found a
tiny uptick in the share of votes that went to Democratic candidates for
Congress, governor, and president—approximately 0.7%. But the difference
was so small that the margin of statistical error means it's possible
there was no effect at all, Holbein says. "There might be a teensy, tiny
effect on Democratic turnout."

On 3/18/2024 5:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-18 4:18 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 17/03/2024 21:01, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>>>
>> In 2020, Governor Murphy of New Jersey ordered that mail-in ballots be
>> sent to ALL registered voters (there was an option to turn up at the
>> polling station in person).
>> I was stranded in lockdown in Scotland at the time - it cost a fortune
>> to get my ballot special delivery, and send it back the same way, to
>> make sure I got my vote counted.
>
> I am not going to search for the source but I recall that there some
> major concerns coming from the Republican camp about the mail in ballots
> and that had a lot to do with their fears that Democrats would benefit.
>
> Oh what the heck....  there are people here who will deny the facts.
> https://www.science.org/content/article/do-republicans-or-democrats-benefit-mail-voting-it-turns-out-neither
>

Republicans lost, Trump cried, therefore they blame mailed ballots.
Facts don't matter.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-call-suspend-constitution-gop-debate-chris-christie-1822131

In December 2022, Donald Trump was pushing the baseless claim that he
lost the 2020 election due to widespread voter fraud,

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination
of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the
Constitution," Trump wrote on Truth Social on December 3, 2022. "Our
great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent
Elections!"

Ed P wrote:
....trumpykins...
> "great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent
> Elections!"

yet the founders screwed the slaves aka they were not
perfect and should not be relied upon for everything.
modern times and reason should win out.

for sure modern times should be able to spot a conman
and a fraud.

songbird

On 2024-03-19, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> Ed P wrote:
> ...trumpykins...
>> "great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent
>> Elections!"
>
> yet the founders screwed the slaves aka they were not
> perfect and should not be relied upon for everything.
> modern times and reason should win out.
>
> for sure modern times should be able to spot a conman
> and a fraud.

You would think. However, there's no one so resistant to the
notion that a guy is a con-man than someone whom he has conned.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to
> SC >> to >> >> vote....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
> >> voting >> would disagree with you.
> >> >
> >> > I'm unaware any have done that.
> >>
> >> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.
> >
> > Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
> > the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
> > on either early date to vote or election day.
> >
> >
> >> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections
> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
> >
> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
> >
> >>
> >> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
> >> elections by mail.
> >
> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option
> >
> >>
> >> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.
> >
> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.
> >
> >>
> >> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
> >
> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.
>
> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
> embarrassed.
>
> >>
> > >
> >
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
> >
> > Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of
> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
> > options for presifential elections.
>
> Read down. Do some googling.
>
> >>
> >> > I just have issues with no id asked
> >> > for. They should allow for many types.
> >>
> >> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
> >
> > I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>
> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
> without requiring identification.

In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is used.

> I haven't voted in person in quite some time, so I'm not current
> on these things.
>
> > You used to have to show a voter registration or the same documents
> > you use to get one if you lost your card.
> >
> >>
> >> Each state has its own system for authenticating voters and
> ensuring >> safe ballot handling.
> >
> > Yup.
> >

On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
>> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
>> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
>>>>>> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
>>>>>> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
>>>> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
>> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to
>> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
>>>>>>> Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
>>>> voting >> would disagree with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm unaware any have done that.
>>>>
>>>> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.
>>>
>>> Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
>>> plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
>>> the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
>>> boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
>>> on either early date to vote or election day.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
>>>> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections
>> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>>>
>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
>>>> elections by mail.
>>>
>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
>> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.
>>>
>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
>>> Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
>>>> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>>>
>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
>>> Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.
>>
>> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
>> embarrassed.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>>>
>>> Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of
>>> any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
>>> options for presifential elections.
>>
>> Read down. Do some googling.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> I just have issues with no id asked
>>>>> for. They should allow for many types.
>>>>
>>>> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>>>
>>> I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>>
>> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
>> without requiring identification.
>
> In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is used.
>

You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
want the machine to identify your vote by name.

I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to the
booth or ballot.

On 19/03/2024 20:18, Ed P wrote:

> You have to show an ID at some point don't you?  Of course you don't
> want the machine to identify your vote by name.
>
> I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to the
> booth or ballot.
>
I was a poll worker for a number of years - we were required to certify
that the voter's signature matched the one in the registration book.

We were only supposed to ask for IDs if the registration had been done
online, and certify that the ID matched the info in the book, and the
photo matched the voter's face.

In ensuing elections, the signature we'd certified was compared to the
one for the current election, and no other ID was required.

On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
>> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
>> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned good
>> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
>> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
>> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
>> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown to
>> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not mail-in.
>> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
>> >> voting >> would disagree with you.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm unaware any have done that.
>> >>
>> >> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in 2020.
>> >
>> > Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
>> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
>> > the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
>> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
>> > on either early date to vote or election day.
>> >
>> >
>> >> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
>> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit elections
>> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>> >
>> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
>> >> elections by mail.
>> >
>> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
>> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.
>> >
>> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
>> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
>> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>> >
>> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an option.
>> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small election.
>>
>> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
>> embarrassed.
>>
>> >>
>> > >
>> >
> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>> >
>> > Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware of
>> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
>> > options for presifential elections.
>>
>> Read down. Do some googling.
>>
>> >>
>> >> > I just have issues with no id asked
>> >> > for. They should allow for many types.
>> >>
>> >> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>> >
>> > I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>>
>> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
>> without requiring identification.
>
> In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is used.

Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

--
Cindy Hamilton

Ed P wrote:

> On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >>On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> >>>>On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
> > > > > > > <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
> >>wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> >>>>>>>>>On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
> > > > > > > > > > > Trump has
> >>used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
> > > > > > > > > > damned good
> >>>>>>reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
> >>>>>>absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
> >>>>station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
> >>you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
> > > > > > > > > flown to
> >>SC >> to >> >> vote....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
> > > > > > > > mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
> > > > > > > > doesn't.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
> > > > > > > mail-in
> >>>>voting >> would disagree with you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm unaware any have done that.
> > > > >
> > > > > You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
> > > > > 2020.
> > > >
> > > > Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia
> > > > in plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and
> > > > recieve the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop
> > > > in special boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or
> > > > just show up on either early date to vote or election day.
> > > >
> >>>
> > > > > The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
> > > > > Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
> > > > > permit elections
> >>to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
> > > >
> > > > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> > > > option.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
> > > > > conducting elections by mail.
> > > >
> > > > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> > > > option
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
> > > > > Mexico,
> >>and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
> mail.
> > > >
> > > > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> > > > option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
> > > > small election.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
> > > > > elections for certain small jurisdictions.
> > > >
> > > > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> > > > option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
> > > > small election.
> > >
> > > And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
> > > embarrassed.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
> > > >
> > > > Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
> > > > unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
> > > > with no other options for presifential elections.
> > >
> > > Read down. Do some googling.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I just have issues with no id asked
> > > > > > for. They should allow for many types.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
> > > >
> > > > I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
> > >
> > > Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
> > > polls without requiring identification.
> >
> > In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
> > used.
> >
>
> You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
> want the machine to identify your vote by name.
>
> I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
> the booth or ballot.

No. No ID means exactly that.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
> wrote: >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
> good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
> mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to
> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee,
> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have
> a voice. >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown
> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
> mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm unaware any have done that.
> >> >>
> >> >> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
> 2020. >> >
> >> > Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
> >> > on either early date to vote or election day.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit
> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
> >> >
> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> option. >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
> >> >> elections by mail.
> >> >
> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> option >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
> mail. >> >
> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small
> election. >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
> >> >
> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small
> election. >>
> >> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
> >> embarrassed.
> >>
> >> >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
> >> >
> >> > Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware
> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
> >> > options for presifential elections.
> >>
> >> Read down. Do some googling.
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I just have issues with no id asked
> >> >> > for. They should allow for many types.
> >> >>
> >> >> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
> >> >
> >> > I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
> >>
> >> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
> >> without requiring identification.
> >
> > In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
> > used.
>
> Have you taken any action to get this remedied?

Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes time
to time in the news.

On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
>> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump has
>> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
>> good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
>> mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to
>> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee,
>> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have
>> a voice. >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and flown
>> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
>> mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in doesn't.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively mail-in
>> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm unaware any have done that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
>> 2020. >> >
>> >> > Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia in
>> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and recieve
>> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop in special
>> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or just show up
>> >> > on either early date to vote or election day.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
>> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia permit
>> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>> >> >
>> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>> option. >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into conducting
>> >> >> elections by mail.
>> >> >
>> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>> option >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico,
>> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
>> mail. >> >
>> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small
>> election. >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
>> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>> >> >
>> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a small
>> election. >>
>> >> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
>> >> embarrassed.
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >
> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>> >> >
>> >> > Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am unaware
>> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots with no other
>> >> > options for presifential elections.
>> >>
>> >> Read down. Do some googling.
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I just have issues with no id asked
>> >> >> > for. They should allow for many types.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>> >>
>> >> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the polls
>> >> without requiring identification.
>> >
>> > In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
>> > used.
>>
>> Have you taken any action to get this remedied?
>
> Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes time
> to time in the news.

So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
write your legislators and local election authority.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 3/20/2024 2:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ed P wrote:
>
>> On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>>>> <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
>>>> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump has
>>>> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
>>>>>>>>>>> damned good
>>>>>>>> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
>>>>>>>> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
>>>>>> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
>>>> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
>>>>>>>>>> flown to
>>>> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
>>>>>>>>> mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
>>>>>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
>>>>>>>> mail-in
>>>>>> voting >> would disagree with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm unaware any have done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
>>>>>> 2020.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia
>>>>> in plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and
>>>>> recieve the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop
>>>>> in special boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or
>>>>> just show up on either early date to vote or election day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
>>>>>> Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
>>>>>> permit elections
>>>> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
>>>>>> conducting elections by mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
>>>>>> Mexico,
>>>> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
>> mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>>>>> small election.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
>>>>>> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>>>>> small election.
>>>>
>>>> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
>>>> embarrassed.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>>>>>
>>>>> Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
>>>>> unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
>>>>> with no other options for presifential elections.
>>>>
>>>> Read down. Do some googling.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just have issues with no id asked
>>>>>>> for. They should allow for many types.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>>>>
>>>> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
>>>> polls without requiring identification.
>>>
>>> In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
>>> used.
>>>
>>
>> You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
>> want the machine to identify your vote by name.
>>
>> I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
>> the booth or ballot.
>
> No. No ID means exactly that.

So anyone can just walk in and vote?

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/

How to Vote
When voting in-person, you will be asked to provide an acceptable form
of identification at the polls.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:34:34 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 3/20/2024 2:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
>>> want the machine to identify your vote by name.
>>>
>>> I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
>>> the booth or ballot.
>>
>> No. No ID means exactly that.
>
>So anyone can just walk in and vote?
>
>https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/
>
>How to Vote
>When voting in-person, you will be asked to provide an acceptable form
>of identification at the polls.

Are you saying cshenk is WRONG? That's not possible. You must be a
troll.

cshenk wrote:
> Ed P wrote:
>
>> On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>>>> <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
>>>> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump has
>>>> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
>>>>>>>>>>> damned good
>>>>>>>> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
>>>>>>>> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
>>>>>> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
>>>> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
>>>>>>>>>> flown to
>>>> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
>>>>>>>>> mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
>>>>>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
>>>>>>>> mail-in
>>>>>> voting >> would disagree with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm unaware any have done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
>>>>>> 2020.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in Virginia
>>>>> in plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and
>>>>> recieve the ballots by mail. It was several options from drop
>>>>> in special boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or
>>>>> just show up on either early date to vote or election day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
>>>>>> Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
>>>>>> permit elections
>>>> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
>>>>>> conducting elections by mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
>>>>>> Mexico,
>>>> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
>> mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>>>>> small election.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
>>>>>> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>>>>> small election.
>>>>
>>>> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy, am I
>>>> embarrassed.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>>>>>
>>>>> Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
>>>>> unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
>>>>> with no other options for presifential elections.
>>>>
>>>> Read down. Do some googling.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just have issues with no id asked
>>>>>>> for. They should allow for many types.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>>>>
>>>> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
>>>> polls without requiring identification.
>>>
>>> In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
>>> used.
>>>
>>
>> You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you don't
>> want the machine to identify your vote by name.
>>
>> I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
>> the booth or ballot.
>
> No. No ID means exactly that.
>

No wonder trump got so worked up about loosing the election. There's no
reason a person can't vote 100 times, with a system like that.

Next election, you should try making 200 votes for your favorite candidate.

Ed P wrote:
> On 3/20/2024 2:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>>>>> <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:  >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
>>>>> wrote:  >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump has
>>>>> used >> >> them.  >>> > Haven't you?  I certainly have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> damned good
>>>>>>>>> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in or
>>>>>>>>> absentee.  >>> If you can't get your butt down to the polling
>>>>>>> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not mail-in),
>>>>> you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
>>>>>>>>>>> flown to
>>>>> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
>>>>>>>>>> mail-in.  Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
>>>>>>>>> mail-in
>>>>>>> voting >> would disagree with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm unaware any have done that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't read the news much, do you?  It was a hot topic in
>>>>>>> 2020.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, but 2020 was lock down year.  Plans came out in Virginia
>>>>>> in plenty of time to file with the state to vote by mail and
>>>>>> recieve the ballots by mail.  It was several options from drop
>>>>>> in special boxes, mail, or take in person to vote if desired or
>>>>>> just show up on either early date to vote or election day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
>>>>>>> Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
>>>>>>> permit elections
>>>>> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail.  It is just an
>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
>>>>>>> conducting elections by mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail.  It is just an
>>>>>> option
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
>>>>>>> Mexico,
>>>>> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
>>> mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail.  It is just an
>>>>>> option.  Also talking Presidential elections.  It is not a
>>>>>> small election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit mostly-mail
>>>>>>> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail.  It is just an
>>>>>> option.  Also talking Presidential elections.  It is not a
>>>>>> small election.
>>>>>
>>>>> And here I thought you'd want the complete information.  Boy, am I
>>>>> embarrassed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title.  I am
>>>>>> unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
>>>>>> with no other options for presifential elections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read down.  Do some googling.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just have issues with no id asked
>>>>>>>> for.  They should allow for many types.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
>>>>> polls without requiring identification.
>>>>
>>>> In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks.  No ID is
>>>> used.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have to show an ID at some point don't you?  Of course you don't
>>> want the machine to identify your vote by name.
>>>
>>> I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
>>> the booth or ballot.
>>
>> No.  No ID means exactly that.
>
>
> So anyone can just walk in and vote?
>
> https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/
>
> How to Vote
> When voting in-person, you will be asked to provide an acceptable form of
> identification at the polls.

Apparently NOT in virginia (Or sasebo, which is the same).

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
> <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
> cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
> Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
> has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
> >> good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
> >> mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down
> to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
> absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
> voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
> flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
> >> mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
> doesn't. >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
> mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'm unaware any have done that.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
> >> 2020. >> >
> >> >> > Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
> Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by
> mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options
> from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
> if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
> election day. >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
> Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
> permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> >> option. >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
> conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> >> option >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
> Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
> conducted by >> mail. >> >
> >> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> >> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
> small >> election. >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
> mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> >> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
> small >> election. >>
> >> >> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
> am I >> >> embarrassed.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
> unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
> with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.
> >> >>
> >> >> Read down. Do some googling.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I just have issues with no id asked
> >> >> >> > for. They should allow for many types.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
> >> >>
> >> >> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
> polls >> >> without requiring identification.
> >> >
> >> > In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
> >> > used.
> >>
> >> Have you taken any action to get this remedied?
> >
> > Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
> > time to time in the news.
>
> So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
> write your legislators and local election authority.

Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.

Ed P wrote:

> On 3/20/2024 2:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ed P wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/19/2024 3:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> >>>>On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > >
> >>>>>>On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
> > > > > > > > > <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>>>wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net>
> >>>>wrote: >> >> >> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> >>>>>>>>>>>On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Trump has
> >>>>used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > damned good
> >>>>>>>>reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted mail-in
> or >>>>>>>>absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down to the
> polling >>>>>>station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote absentee, not
> mail-in), >>>>you >> don't care >> enough about >>> voting to have a
> voice.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
> > > > > > > > > > > flown to
> >>>>SC >> to >> >> vote....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
> > > > > > > > > > mail-in. Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
> > > > > > > > > mail-in
> >>>>>>voting >> would disagree with you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm unaware any have done that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic
> > > > > > > in 2020.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
> > > > > > Virginia in plenty of time to file with the state to vote
> > > > > > by mail and recieve the ballots by mail. It was several
> > > > > > options from drop in special boxes, mail, or take in person
> > > > > > to vote if desired or just show up on either early date to
> > > > > > vote or election day.
> > > > > >
> >>>>>
> > > > > > > The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
> > > > > > > Utah, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
> > > > > > > permit elections
> >>>>to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> > > > > > option.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
> > > > > > > conducting elections by mail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> > > > > > option
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
> > > > > > > Mexico,
> >>>>and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be conducted by
> > > mail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> > > > > > option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
> > > > > > small election.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
> > > > > > > mostly-mail elections for certain small jurisdictions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
> > > > > > option. Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
> > > > > > small election.
> > > > >
> > > > > And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
> > > > > am I embarrassed.
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
> > > > > > unaware of any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
> > > > > > with no other options for presifential elections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Read down. Do some googling.
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just have issues with no id asked
> > > > > > > > for. They should allow for many types.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
> > > > > polls without requiring identification.
> > > >
> > > > In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
> > > > used.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You have to show an ID at some point don't you? Of course you
> > > don't want the machine to identify your vote by name.
> > >
> > > I always had to show ID and they checked registration, then off to
> > > the booth or ballot.
> >
> > No. No ID means exactly that.
>
>
> So anyone can just walk in and vote?
>
> https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/
>
> How to Vote
> When voting in-person, you will be asked to provide an acceptable
> form of identification at the polls.

Last time, only sign a letter of confirmation. Last in person for me
was 2019.

On 2024-03-21, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
>> <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
>> cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
>> Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
>> has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
>> >> good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
>> >> mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down
>> to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
>> absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
>> voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
>> flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
>> >> mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
>> doesn't. >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
>> mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I'm unaware any have done that.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
>> >> 2020. >> >
>> >> >> > Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
>> Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by
>> mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options
>> from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
>> if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
>> election day. >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
>> Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
>> permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>> >> option. >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
>> conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>> >> option >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
>> Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
>> conducted by >> mail. >> >
>> >> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>> >> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>> small >> election. >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
>> mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>> >> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>> small >> election. >>
>> >> >> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
>> am I >> >> embarrassed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
>> unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
>> with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Read down. Do some googling.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > I just have issues with no id asked
>> >> >> >> > for. They should allow for many types.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
>> polls >> >> without requiring identification.
>> >> >
>> >> > In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
>> >> > used.
>> >>
>> >> Have you taken any action to get this remedied?
>> >
>> > Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
>> > time to time in the news.
>>
>> So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
>> write your legislators and local election authority.
>
> Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.

I'm not trolling. Either put up and try to effect change,
or shut up. Whinging on Usenet is useless if you feel there
is a problem with the conduct of elections in your state. Failing
to act shows that you don't really care.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-21, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
>>> <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
>>> cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
>>> Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
>>> has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
>>>>> good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
>>>>> mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down
>>> to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
>>> absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
>>> voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
>>> flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
>>>>> mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
>>> doesn't. >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
>>> mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm unaware any have done that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
>>>>> 2020. >> >
>>>>>>>> Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
>>> Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by
>>> mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options
>>> from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
>>> if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
>>> election day. >> >> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
>>> Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
>>> permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option. >> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
>>> conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option >> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
>>> Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
>>> conducted by >> mail. >> >
>>>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>>> small >> election. >> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
>>> mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>>> small >> election. >>
>>>>>>> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
>>> am I >> >> embarrassed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
>>> unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
>>> with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read down. Do some googling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just have issues with no id asked
>>>>>>>>>> for. They should allow for many types.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
>>> polls >> >> without requiring identification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
>>>>>> used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you taken any action to get this remedied?
>>>>
>>>> Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
>>>> time to time in the news.
>>>
>>> So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
>>> write your legislators and local election authority.
>>
>> Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.
>
> I'm not trolling. Either put up and try to effect change,
> or shut up. Whinging on Usenet is useless if you feel there
> is a problem with the conduct of elections in your state. Failing
> to act shows that you don't really care.
>

Shit, if Virginia let's any asshole or bum that strolls in cast a vote,
that confirms trump's allegations of massive voter fraud. The guy's right
and must have been fucked in the 2020 election. At least in the virgin state.

Trump says there will be a blood bath if he's not elected. And we all know
this election is already rigged so he will loose, just like last time.

By god, I think we all ought to be buying extra ammo so we'll be ready for
the republican blood bath / coup.

Hank Rogers wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-21, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-20, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-03-19, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-18, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-17, cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-16, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>> <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> > On 2024-03-16,
>>>> cshenk <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Leonard
>>>> Blaisdell wrote: >> >> >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've had mail-in ballots all my life, Leo. Trump
>>>> has >> >> used >> >> them. >>> > Haven't you? I certainly have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail-in or absentee? You used to have to have a damned
>>>>>> good >> >> >> reason to >>> vote absentee. And no, I've never voted
>>>>>> mail-in or >> >> >> absentee. >>> If you can't get your butt down
>>>> to >> the polling >> >> station >> to vote in >>> person (or vote
>>>> absentee, >> not mail-in), >> you >> don't care >> enough about >>>
>>>> voting to have >> a voice. >> >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, for 26 years I could have hopped a plane and
>>>> flown >> to >> SC >> to >> >> vote....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Service members were expected to vote absentee, not
>>>>>> mail-in. >> >> >> > Absentee requires a commitment; mail-in
>>>> doesn't. >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the states that have implemented exclusively
>>>> mail-in >> >> >> voting >> would disagree with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm unaware any have done that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't read the news much, do you? It was a hot topic in
>>>>>> 2020. >> >
>>>>>>>>> Nope, but 2020 was lock down year. Plans came out in
>>>> Virginia in >> >> > plenty of time to file with the state to vote by
>>>> mail and recieve >> >> > the ballots by mail. It was several options
>>>> from drop in special >> >> > boxes, mail, or take in person to vote
>>>> if desired or just show up >> >> > on either early date to vote or
>>>> election day. >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The laws in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon,
>>>> Utah, >> >> >> Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
>>>> permit >> elections >> to >> be conducted entirely by mail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>>> option. >> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nebraska and North Dakota permit counties to opt into
>>>> conducting >> >> >> elections by mail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>>> option >> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, New
>>>> Mexico, >> >> and >> Wyoming allow specific small elections to be
>>>> conducted by >> mail. >> >
>>>>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>>> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>>>> small >> election. >> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico permit
>>>> mostly-mail >> >> >> elections for certain small jurisdictions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Permit is not 'excluively conducted' by mail. It is just an
>>>>>> option. >> > Also talking Presidential elections. It is not a
>>>> small >> election. >>
>>>>>>>> And here I thought you'd want the complete information. Boy,
>>>> am I >> >> embarrassed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even the article title says 'mostly' in the title. I am
>>>> unaware >> of >> > any states that mandated vote by mail-in ballots
>>>> with no other >> >> > options for presifential elections.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read down. Do some googling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just have issues with no id asked
>>>>>>>>>>> for. They should allow for many types.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where do they issue ballots with no identification?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm talking voting in person at the polls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do they issue ballots to people voting in person at the
>>>> polls >> >> without requiring identification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Virginia it is all electronic at individual kiosks. No ID is
>>>>>>> used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you taken any action to get this remedied?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just state polls that come up sometimes. The whole subjust comes
>>>>> time to time in the news.
>>>>
>>>> So you've done nothing, basically. If it mattered to you, you could
>>>> write your legislators and local election authority.
>>>
>>> Cindy, I'm not taking the bait.
>>
>> I'm not trolling. Either put up and try to effect change,
>> or shut up. Whinging on Usenet is useless if you feel there
>> is a problem with the conduct of elections in your state. Failing
>> to act shows that you don't really care.
>>

> Shit, if Virginia let's any asshole or bum that strolls in cast a vote,
> that confirms trump's allegations of massive voter fraud. The guy's right
> and must have been fucked in the 2020 election. At least in the virgin state.

> Trump says there will be a blood bath if he's not elected. And we all know
> this election is already rigged so he will loose, just like last time.

> By god, I think we all ought to be buying extra ammo so we'll be ready for
> the republican blood bath / coup.

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