On 5/20/2022 6:39 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:57:15 PM UTC-4, Jim Joyce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:07:02 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
>>>> and/or well-being , and react accordingly .
>>> There's an episode of Andy Griffith that directly deals with an ignorant
>>> country bumpkin who's afraid to get an immunization. I don't know why I
>>> just thought about that.
>>
>> I know that episode, it;s the one where Andy goes out there with
>> the pretty county nurse.
>
> That's the one. :-)
>
>>>> I promise not to kill 'em
>>>> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>>>> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>>>> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>>>> the truth will come out .
>>> Muggles used to say the same thing about her immune system.
>>
>> Did anyone figure out for sure what happened to her?
>
> I don't know if anyone knew her real name. She used to go by Jenn, then
> later Maggie/Muggles, no last name. Hard to say if either of those names
> was real.
>
>> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
>> vaccines if Trump had won? It seems pretty good bet that Trump would
>> have pushed the vaccines, he sure was trying to take all the credit for
>> then in his last couple of months. Remember the victory lap at the WH,
>> the one that the CEOs of the vaccine companies refused to attend?
>> Trump was desperate to get the economy booming, so I would expect
>> that he would want as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible.
>> And he surely doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything other than
>> himself, so it would have been interesting to see how this would have
>> played out. My bet, Trump would have pushed the vaccine, would have
>> gotten publicly vaccinated and the Trumpets would have fallen right in
>> line and eagerly taken the Trump miracle vaccine.
>>
>> Also interesting, I'm reading Woodward's book, Rage, about Trump
>> up to just before the election. Nothing much really new there that is
>> big, except that Woodward heard from those in the WH the theory that
>> China deliberately allowed the virus to spread outside China to screw
>> the rest of the world. He asked Trump about that and Trump said he
>> was actually the leader of that group. Another interesting thing that
>> I had not heard before was that on a visit to Pearl Harbor, Kelly and others
>> were shocked that Trump knew little about the history there either.
>> If you want a movie to go with that one, Trump sounds like Bluto played
>> by Belushi in Animal House. He was making a rambling speech where
>> he said something like, "did we give up when the Germans bombed
>> Pearl Harbor"?
>
> There should be some kind of aptitude test before we award someone with
> the title of President.
>

Your leader would have trouble with the senior wellness test.

On Fri, 20 May 2022 18:45:43 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:

>On 5/20/2022 6:39 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
>> <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:57:15 PM UTC-4, Jim Joyce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:07:02 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
>>>>> and/or well-being , and react accordingly .
>>>> There's an episode of Andy Griffith that directly deals with an ignorant
>>>> country bumpkin who's afraid to get an immunization. I don't know why I
>>>> just thought about that.
>>>
>>> I know that episode, it;s the one where Andy goes out there with
>>> the pretty county nurse.
>>
>> That's the one. :-)
>>
>>>>> I promise not to kill 'em
>>>>> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>>>>> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>>>>> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>>>>> the truth will come out .
>>>> Muggles used to say the same thing about her immune system.
>>>
>>> Did anyone figure out for sure what happened to her?
>>
>> I don't know if anyone knew her real name. She used to go by Jenn, then
>> later Maggie/Muggles, no last name. Hard to say if either of those names
>> was real.
>>
>>> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
>>> vaccines if Trump had won? It seems pretty good bet that Trump would
>>> have pushed the vaccines, he sure was trying to take all the credit for
>>> then in his last couple of months. Remember the victory lap at the WH,
>>> the one that the CEOs of the vaccine companies refused to attend?
>>> Trump was desperate to get the economy booming, so I would expect
>>> that he would want as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible.
>>> And he surely doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything other than
>>> himself, so it would have been interesting to see how this would have
>>> played out. My bet, Trump would have pushed the vaccine, would have
>>> gotten publicly vaccinated and the Trumpets would have fallen right in
>>> line and eagerly taken the Trump miracle vaccine.
>>>
>>> Also interesting, I'm reading Woodward's book, Rage, about Trump
>>> up to just before the election. Nothing much really new there that is
>>> big, except that Woodward heard from those in the WH the theory that
>>> China deliberately allowed the virus to spread outside China to screw
>>> the rest of the world. He asked Trump about that and Trump said he
>>> was actually the leader of that group. Another interesting thing that
>>> I had not heard before was that on a visit to Pearl Harbor, Kelly and others
>>> were shocked that Trump knew little about the history there either.
>>> If you want a movie to go with that one, Trump sounds like Bluto played
>>> by Belushi in Animal House. He was making a rambling speech where
>>> he said something like, "did we give up when the Germans bombed
>>> Pearl Harbor"?
>>
>> There should be some kind of aptitude test before we award someone with
>> the title of President.
>>
>
>Your leader would have trouble with the senior wellness test.

He's your leader, too. We only have one President at a time.

On 5/20/2022 10:07 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 18:45:43 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/20/2022 6:39 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 May 2022 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
>>> <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:57:15 PM UTC-4, Jim Joyce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:07:02 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
>>>>>> and/or well-being , and react accordingly .
>>>>> There's an episode of Andy Griffith that directly deals with an ignorant
>>>>> country bumpkin who's afraid to get an immunization. I don't know why I
>>>>> just thought about that.
>>>>
>>>> I know that episode, it;s the one where Andy goes out there with
>>>> the pretty county nurse.
>>>
>>> That's the one. :-)
>>>
>>>>>> I promise not to kill 'em
>>>>>> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>>>>>> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>>>>>> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>>>>>> the truth will come out .
>>>>> Muggles used to say the same thing about her immune system.
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone figure out for sure what happened to her?
>>>
>>> I don't know if anyone knew her real name. She used to go by Jenn, then
>>> later Maggie/Muggles, no last name. Hard to say if either of those names
>>> was real.
>>>
>>>> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
>>>> vaccines if Trump had won? It seems pretty good bet that Trump would
>>>> have pushed the vaccines, he sure was trying to take all the credit for
>>>> then in his last couple of months. Remember the victory lap at the WH,
>>>> the one that the CEOs of the vaccine companies refused to attend?
>>>> Trump was desperate to get the economy booming, so I would expect
>>>> that he would want as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible.
>>>> And he surely doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything other than
>>>> himself, so it would have been interesting to see how this would have
>>>> played out. My bet, Trump would have pushed the vaccine, would have
>>>> gotten publicly vaccinated and the Trumpets would have fallen right in
>>>> line and eagerly taken the Trump miracle vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> Also interesting, I'm reading Woodward's book, Rage, about Trump
>>>> up to just before the election. Nothing much really new there that is
>>>> big, except that Woodward heard from those in the WH the theory that
>>>> China deliberately allowed the virus to spread outside China to screw
>>>> the rest of the world. He asked Trump about that and Trump said he
>>>> was actually the leader of that group. Another interesting thing that
>>>> I had not heard before was that on a visit to Pearl Harbor, Kelly and others
>>>> were shocked that Trump knew little about the history there either.
>>>> If you want a movie to go with that one, Trump sounds like Bluto played
>>>> by Belushi in Animal House. He was making a rambling speech where
>>>> he said something like, "did we give up when the Germans bombed
>>>> Pearl Harbor"?
>>>
>>> There should be some kind of aptitude test before we award someone with
>>> the title of President.
>>>
>>
>> Your leader would have trouble with the senior wellness test.
>
> He's your leader, too. We only have one President at a time.
>

OK to be specific, in my opinion, our leader, Biden, would flunk the
senior wellness test.

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:13:31 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 6:58 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/20/2022 3:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
> >>>> and/or well-being , and react accordingly . I promise not to kill 'em
> >>>> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
> >>>> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
> >>>> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
> >>>> the truth will come out .
> >>>
> >>> When Bill Gates lands his black helicopter at your place and jabs you
> >>> with his mind-control chips, I hope you give him "a taste of the grape".
> >>>
> >>> You already don't have the immune system you were born with, BTW.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Bill won't land here , too hilly . He'll send his minions in their
> >> white suits with the blue helmets .
> >> Yes , I DO know that . My immune system has been improved and
> >> strengthened by exposure to many different threats - which it has
> >> successfully fought off on it's own . I don't go running to the doctor
> >> every time I stub my toe like many people do . OHMYGOD , Johnny has a
> >> sniffle ! HURRY , get him to the emergency room !
> >
> > Did you receive any childhood vaccinations? Polio? Smallpox?
> >
> Polio , yes . Smallpox I was already immune - as was my father , and
> is my oldest son . I had no control over decisions my parents made when
> I was a small child - did you ? LOOK AT THE VAERS DATA and you'll see we
> NEVER had this many reactions to any vaccine except the Covid ones . You
> choose your poison , I'll choose mine .
> --
> Snag
> My rights don't end
> where your fears begin .

Factor in that we've never had a bunch of crazy anti-vaxers and the hysteria
like we have today with these vaccines either, that anyone can put an entry
into Vaers for anything that they think might be related, that health professionals
are required to report anything at all with these where they were not so required
with previous vaccines, that a lot of 80+ year olds are being vaccinated multiple
time, not kids, etc. So some 88 year old in poor health gets vaccinated, two weeks
later their condition worsens or they die, bingo, it's likely entered. Meanwhile we
have good data that shows the overwhelming benefits of the vaccines and the
death toll from Covid has passed 1 million.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/12/scicheck-increase-in-covid-19-vaers-reports-due-to-reporting-requirements-intense-scrutiny-of-widely-given-vaccines/

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:16:32 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 6:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/20/2022 3:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On 2022-05-19, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> And where's the data that shows getting the second booster has a meaningful
> >>>> impact on avoiding long Covid? We know it's not very effective in preventing
> >>>> infection. You may not hear anything about possible long
> >>>> term effects from repeatedly being vaccinated because we've just started doing it
> >>>> and I doubt there is much interest in even looking for it, because it doesn't fit the
> >>>> message. You know I'm not anti-vaccine, but when this latest wave is still at
> >>>> relatively low levels and is showing signs of peaking in NYC where it started
> >>>> and yet another vaccine is coming in just a few months, I'm not seeing a great
> >>>> benefit. Even CDC must have some concerns because they are not recommending the
> >>>> second booster for everyone. My doctor agreed when I asked her about a
> >>>> month ago whether it was worth it or not. She said, we don't know, wait and see.
> >>>
> >>> I don't live in New York City. It might have peaked here (too early to
> >>> tell), but it was still on the uptick when I got my booster on April 10.
> >>>
> >>> My husband's allergist (whom he sees every week) strongly recommended
> >>> it for him, and I'd be a fool to risk his life when a little jab might
> >>> prevent me getting it and transmitting it to him.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Except that it WON'T keep you from getting it . Where have you been ,
> >> reports are saying that over 80% of cases are among the multiple jabbed .
> >
> > That gives me a 20% chance of not getting it, or not getting a severe
> > enough case for it to be a problem. I'll take those odds.
> >
> And I'll keep my natural immunity from having a (mild) case because
> it gives me a 98% chance of not catching it again .
> --
> Snag
> My rights don't end
> where your fears begin .

Another failure at understanding probability and statistics. We have over two
thirds of the population fully vaccinated, some states have 95% partially
vaccinated. As we get higher, of course the percentage of breakthrough cases
that are vaccinated will go higher. If 100% were vaccinated, then 100% of the
breakthrough cases will be those vaccinated.

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:22:02 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 1:53 PM, Pthirus Pubis wrote:
> > On 5/20/2022 8:25:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
> >> vaccines if Trump had won?
> >
> > President Trump did win...but the election was stolen. Biden's 81
> > million votes are as fake as a twitter bot.
> >
> > The experimental myocarditis clot-shots and the masks would have been
> > voluntary since neither one is particularly effective.
> >
> >
> Traitor is one of those duped by the media. Any republican would be
> nuts to talk to Woodward who lies along with the rest of the media.

Right, so thanks for confirming that Trump is nuts. Trump had extensive talks
with Woodward 18 times over many months and he knew that the purpose was
that Woodward was writing the book about his presidency. Trump talks about
Woodward writing the book in many of those interviews too.

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:30:52 AM UTC-4, Jim Joyce wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 10:21:56 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/20/2022 1:53 PM, Pthirus Pubis wrote:
> >> On 5/20/2022 8:25:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
> >>> vaccines if Trump had won?
> >>
> >> President Trump did win...but the election was stolen. Biden's 81
> >> million votes are as fake as a twitter bot.
> >>
> >> The experimental myocarditis clot-shots and the masks would have been
> >> voluntary since neither one is particularly effective.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Traitor is one of those duped by the media. Any republican would be
> >nuts to talk to Woodward who lies along with the rest of the media.
> Trump talked to Woodward. Some of the recordings have been released.
>
> Is Trump nuts for talking to Woodward?

Trump talked to Woodward 18 times over months! That included from the
oval office, from AF1, from his residences, etc. And Trump knew the purpose
was for the book, Trump brings that up on many calls. Trump knew that Woodward
had already written the previous book about him. And I have to say,
there are no big surprises, everything there is consistent with the Trump we
see in public, on twitter, that those that interacted with him have said, etc.

I see Trump's latest un-American act is to tell Vance that he should just declare
victory in Ohio, not wait to count the rest of the vote. Trump tried that, fortunately
he didn't get away with it.

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 6:44:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
> > On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> >> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
> >>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
> >>
> >> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
> >
> > Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
> > risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your sort
> > of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.
> Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.

What Bob cited is exactly how Republicans behave today. And it's one of the
big reasons why we can't deal with problems or get much done. Any Republican
that would dare to talk to Democrats about a compromise to get something
accomplished is immediately branded a no good Rino. And even worse is to
say something that's considered anti-Trump, like saying that the election
was not stolen, that the party needs to move on from that. Trump's grievance
list is their most durable platform.

On 5/21/2022 11:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 6:44:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
>>>>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
>>>
>>> Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
>>> risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your sort
>>> of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.
>> Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.
>
> What Bob cited is exactly how Republicans behave today. And it's one of the
> big reasons why we can't deal with problems or get much done. Any Republican
> that would dare to talk to Democrats about a compromise to get something
> accomplished is immediately branded a no good Rino. And even worse is to
> say something that's considered anti-Trump, like saying that the election
> was not stolen, that the party needs to move on from that. Trump's grievance
> list is their most durable platform.
>

You exhibit a weird mindset that if someone is part of a group they
mindlessly follow the leader or the group. Apply that mindset to
minorities and one would be considered a racist.

On 5/19/22 20:07, Snag wrote:

[snip]

> I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
> the truth will come out .

I suppose you didn't know that people are born with a very ineffective
immune system. Immunity is acquired later. Some from breast milk and
vaccinations.

BTW, drinking bleach DOES prevent COVID infection. Since a virus
requires living cells to reproduce, it cannot infect dead people.

On 5/21/2022 12:00 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/21/2022 11:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 6:44:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
>>>>> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death.  If the
>>>>>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
>>>>
>>>> Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
>>>> risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your
>>>> sort
>>>> of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.
>>> Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.
>>
>> What Bob cited is exactly how Republicans behave today.   And it's one
>> of the
>> big reasons why we can't deal with problems or get much done.  Any
>> Republican
>> that would dare to talk to Democrats about a compromise to get something
>> accomplished is immediately branded a no good Rino.  And even worse is to
>> say something that's considered anti-Trump, like saying that the election
>> was not stolen, that the party needs to move on from that.  Trump's
>> grievance
>> list is their most durable platform.
>>
>
> You exhibit a weird mindset that if someone is part of a group they
> mindlessly follow the leader or the group.  Apply that mindset to
> minorities and one would be considered a racist.

Not sure it is weird. Had a conversation with a friend about things
like that just this morning.

Look around. What about religion? Most of us are of a certain religion
because were were brought up that way by our parents, but many change
and instead followed Jim Jones and that type.

Many of the Trump loyalists are no different. Joe Sixpack likes it when
he said he is building a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. Yeah,
I like that and will mindlessly follow him. Reality is, Joe Sixpack
likes hearing things like that. Some politicians (both parties) have the
same charisma as the Heaven's Gate leader and have a following.

I've said before I belong to no political party as they are both
corrupt. I belong to no religion either. I prefer to make my own
conclusions based on real facts, not the blather or someone else.

People are fickle the world over. Bong Bong won in the Philippines too.
Lesser of two evils?

On Sun, 22 May 2022 04:29:59 +1000, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

> On 5/21/2022 12:00 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 5/21/2022 11:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 6:44:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>> On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>>>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
>>>>>>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or
>>>>>> clot-shots.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen
>>>>> peoples
>>>>> risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your
>>>>> sort
>>>>> of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.
>>>> Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.
>>>
>>> What Bob cited is exactly how Republicans behave today. And it's one
>>> of the
>>> big reasons why we can't deal with problems or get much done. Any
>>> Republican
>>> that would dare to talk to Democrats about a compromise to get
>>> something
>>> accomplished is immediately branded a no good Rino. And even worse is
>>> to
>>> say something that's considered anti-Trump, like saying that the
>>> election
>>> was not stolen, that the party needs to move on from that. Trump's
>>> grievance
>>> list is their most durable platform.
>>>
>> You exhibit a weird mindset that if someone is part of a group they
>> mindlessly follow the leader or the group. Apply that mindset to
>> minorities and one would be considered a racist.
>
> Not sure it is weird. Had a conversation with a friend about things
> like that just this morning.
>
> Look around. What about religion? Most of us are of a certain religion
> because were were brought up that way by our parents, but many change
> and instead followed Jim Jones and that type.
>
> Many of the Trump loyalists are no different. Joe Sixpack likes it when
> he said he is building a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. Yeah,
> I like that and will mindlessly follow him. Reality is, Joe Sixpack
> likes hearing things like that. Some politicians (both parties) have the
> same charisma as the Heaven's Gate leader and have a following.
>
> I've said before I belong to no political party as they are both
> corrupt. I belong to no religion either. I prefer to make my own
> conclusions based on real facts, not the blather or someone else.
>
> People are fickle the world over. Bong Bong won in the Philippines too.

> Lesser of two evils?

No, Duterte wasn't eligible, their president only gets one term now.

BongBong was arguably by far the most evil of the candidates.

On 5/21/2022 10:39:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> Factor in that we've never had a bunch of crazy anti-vaxers and the hysteria
> like we have today with these vaccines either, that anyone can put an entry
> into Vaers for anything that they think might be related, that health professionals
> are required to report anything at all with these where they were not so required
> with previous vaccines, that a lot of 80+ year olds are being vaccinated multiple
> time, not kids, etc. So some 88 year old in poor health gets vaccinated, two weeks
> later their condition worsens or they die, bingo, it's likely entered. Meanwhile we
> have good data that shows the overwhelming benefits of the vaccines and the
> death toll from Covid has passed 1 million.

Summernites (rumble user)

THESE FIGURES ARE FOR THE CONTIGUOUS 48 STATES.
Think about it, come to your own conclusions.
A very interesting look at data...
Year 2017: 2,818,503 Americans died
Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

We've been told that COVID is responsible now for 500,000 + deaths. Shouldn't the 2020 number be a hell of a lot higher?
So the question becomes:
How many people died of COVID and how many died of OTHER causes and also had COVID?

Now read below; food for thought:
A very well-orchestrated plan, or an unimaginable set of events that just fell into place with the United States front and center. You tell me!! Scare people with a virus; force them to wear masks and place them in quarantine. Count the number of dead
every second of every day, in every news headline. By the way, ninety-nine and eight-tenths of the people who get the virus,
recover. About one to two tenths of one percent who get the virus, die. Most all of them have other medical problems. Did you catch that? Less than 1/2 of a percent die.
Close businesses = 35,000,000+ unemployed.
Remove entertainment and prohibit recreation, close parks,gyms, bars, restaurants, sports.
No dating. No touching. Isolate people. Dehumanize them.
Close temples and churches - prohibit worship. Create a vacuum and let depression, anxiety,
hopelessness, and desperation set in.
Then...ignite hatred and civil unrest, creating Civil War.
Empty the prisons because of the virus and fill the streets with criminals.
Send in Antifa and BLM to vandalize property, as if they are freedom fighters. Undermine the law. Riot, loot and attack all law enforcement, but tell government to order a stand-down.

https://rumble.com/v12tku0-vaers-database-hijacked-vaccine-data-tracker-compromised-adverse-events-del.html

On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/21/2022 11:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 6:44:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
> >>> On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> >>>> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >>>>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
> >>>>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
> >>>
> >>> Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
> >>> risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your sort
> >>> of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.
> >> Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.
> >
> > What Bob cited is exactly how Republicans behave today. And it's one of the
> > big reasons why we can't deal with problems or get much done. Any Republican
> > that would dare to talk to Democrats about a compromise to get something
> > accomplished is immediately branded a no good Rino. And even worse is to
> > say something that's considered anti-Trump, like saying that the election
> > was not stolen, that the party needs to move on from that. Trump's grievance
> > list is their most durable platform.
> >
> You exhibit a weird mindset that if someone is part of a group they
> mindlessly follow the leader or the group. Apply that mindset to
> minorities and one would be considered a racist.

That is exactly what is going on in the cult of Trump. Trump cost your party
the WH, the Senate and the House in just 4 years. His despicable shit show
cost him the election and instead of conceding like a decent man would,
Trump of course instead tried to undo the votes of the American people.
He misused his office to pressure officials to do his bidding, he engaged in
two months of stolen election lies, he called his cult to DC for a rally, whipped
them into a frenzy, told them to go fight like hell and sent them off to the
Capital where the insurrection took place. If still following Trump and wanting
more after all that isn't mindless, IDK what is.

On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 2:30:09 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/21/2022 12:00 PM, Frank wrote:
> > On 5/21/2022 11:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 6:44:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >>> On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
> >>>> On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >>>>>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
> >>>>>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
> >>>> risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your
> >>>> sort
> >>>> of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.
> >>> Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.
> >>
> >> What Bob cited is exactly how Republicans behave today. And it's one
> >> of the
> >> big reasons why we can't deal with problems or get much done. Any
> >> Republican
> >> that would dare to talk to Democrats about a compromise to get something
> >> accomplished is immediately branded a no good Rino. And even worse is to
> >> say something that's considered anti-Trump, like saying that the election
> >> was not stolen, that the party needs to move on from that. Trump's
> >> grievance
> >> list is their most durable platform.
> >>
> >
> > You exhibit a weird mindset that if someone is part of a group they
> > mindlessly follow the leader or the group. Apply that mindset to
> > minorities and one would be considered a racist.
> Not sure it is weird. Had a conversation with a friend about things
> like that just this morning.
>
> Look around. What about religion? Most of us are of a certain religion
> because were were brought up that way by our parents, but many change
> and instead followed Jim Jones and that type.
>
> Many of the Trump loyalists are no different. Joe Sixpack likes it when
> he said he is building a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. Yeah,
> I like that and will mindlessly follow him. Reality is, Joe Sixpack
> likes hearing things like that. Some politicians (both parties) have the
> same charisma as the Heaven's Gate leader and have a following.
>
> I've said before I belong to no political party as they are both
> corrupt. I belong to no religion either. I prefer to make my own
> conclusions based on real facts, not the blather or someone else.
>
> People are fickle the world over. Bong Bong won in the Philippines too.
> Lesser of two evils?

+1

On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:46:35 PM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> On 5/21/2022 10:39:50 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > Factor in that we've never had a bunch of crazy anti-vaxers and the hysteria
> > like we have today with these vaccines either, that anyone can put an entry
> > into Vaers for anything that they think might be related, that health professionals
> > are required to report anything at all with these where they were not so required
> > with previous vaccines, that a lot of 80+ year olds are being vaccinated multiple
> > time, not kids, etc. So some 88 year old in poor health gets vaccinated, two weeks
> > later their condition worsens or they die, bingo, it's likely entered. Meanwhile we
> > have good data that shows the overwhelming benefits of the vaccines and the
> > death toll from Covid has passed 1 million.
> Summernites (rumble user)

Wow, there's a credible source.

>
> THESE FIGURES ARE FOR THE CONTIGUOUS 48 STATES.
> Think about it, come to your own conclusions.
> A very interesting look at data...
> Year 2017: 2,818,503 Americans died
> Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
> Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
>
> The year of the pandemic ...
>
> Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)
>
> BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've seen the reports of the real, actual studies done and all of them have
the excess deaths for the Covid years either matching the Covid deaths
reported or exceeding them.

On 5/22/2022 10:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 5/21/2022 11:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 6:44:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>> On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>>>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
>>>>>>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
>>>>> risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your sort
>>>>> of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.
>>>> Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.
>>>
>>> What Bob cited is exactly how Republicans behave today. And it's one of the
>>> big reasons why we can't deal with problems or get much done. Any Republican
>>> that would dare to talk to Democrats about a compromise to get something
>>> accomplished is immediately branded a no good Rino. And even worse is to
>>> say something that's considered anti-Trump, like saying that the election
>>> was not stolen, that the party needs to move on from that. Trump's grievance
>>> list is their most durable platform.
>>>
>> You exhibit a weird mindset that if someone is part of a group they
>> mindlessly follow the leader or the group. Apply that mindset to
>> minorities and one would be considered a racist.
>
> That is exactly what is going on in the cult of Trump. Trump cost your party
> the WH, the Senate and the House in just 4 years. His despicable shit show
> cost him the election and instead of conceding like a decent man would,
> Trump of course instead tried to undo the votes of the American people.
> He misused his office to pressure officials to do his bidding, he engaged in
> two months of stolen election lies, he called his cult to DC for a rally, whipped
> them into a frenzy, told them to go fight like hell and sent them off to the
> Capital where the insurrection took place. If still following Trump and wanting
> more after all that isn't mindless, IDK what is.

My bad. I know there is no cure for stupid.

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 10:21:43 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/22/2022 10:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 5/21/2022 11:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 6:44:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >>>> On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >>>>>>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
> >>>>>>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
> >>>>> risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your sort
> >>>>> of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.
> >>>> Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.
> >>>
> >>> What Bob cited is exactly how Republicans behave today. And it's one of the
> >>> big reasons why we can't deal with problems or get much done. Any Republican
> >>> that would dare to talk to Democrats about a compromise to get something
> >>> accomplished is immediately branded a no good Rino. And even worse is to
> >>> say something that's considered anti-Trump, like saying that the election
> >>> was not stolen, that the party needs to move on from that. Trump's grievance
> >>> list is their most durable platform.
> >>>
> >> You exhibit a weird mindset that if someone is part of a group they
> >> mindlessly follow the leader or the group. Apply that mindset to
> >> minorities and one would be considered a racist.
> >
> > That is exactly what is going on in the cult of Trump. Trump cost your party
> > the WH, the Senate and the House in just 4 years. His despicable shit show
> > cost him the election and instead of conceding like a decent man would,
> > Trump of course instead tried to undo the votes of the American people.
> > He misused his office to pressure officials to do his bidding, he engaged in
> > two months of stolen election lies, he called his cult to DC for a rally, whipped
> > them into a frenzy, told them to go fight like hell and sent them off to the
> > Capital where the insurrection took place. If still following Trump and wanting
> > more after all that isn't mindless, IDK what is.
> My bad. I know there is no cure for stupid.

Face the Nation just had some polling numbers:

Regarding the 2022 elections, what do Republicans think candidates should
be focused on:

Showing allegiance to Trump 52%
Talking about the 2020 election 44%

If that isn't a lot of people mindlessly following their leader, IDK what is.

They also had on Rick Scott who heads up the GOP Senate race support
and strategy. His brilliant ideas:

A law should be passed that sunsets all govt programs every 5 years.
That includes SS and Medicare. When Margaret Brennan gave him an
opportunity to say something like, no we would exclude those, instead
he claimed they would be bankrupt in just a few years. Which of course
is misleading, because that;s when the trust funds are depleted if nothing is done.
Payments would still be made from incoming money, just at a reduced
rate. What did Trump and the GOP do to address this problem in his first two years?
Nothing. And Scott is still behind his idea to increase tax rates on the lowest
incomes so all have some skin in the game. Theoretically, it's an idea that
makes sense so that those people don't think govt programs are free. But
even Mitch McConnell blasted it and says it won't happen and politically it's
a gift to the Democrats. In short, another big dummy leading the GOP Senate
election strategy.

On 5/22/2022 11:19:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> Regarding the 2022 elections, what do Republicans think candidates should
> be focused on:
>
> Showing allegiance to Trump 52%
> Talking about the 2020 election 44%
>
> If that isn't a lot of people mindlessly following their leader, IDK what is.

How do you feel about crooked lying Hillary now? Before the election, the MSM spread the russian collusion lie non-stop for weeks...now the lying libturd MSM is silent.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/rip-robbie-outing-hillary-clinton-behind-trump-russia-lie-fear-robbie-mooks-days-numbered/

On 5/22/2022 10:11:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> That is exactly what is going on in the cult of Trump. Trump cost your party
> the WH, the Senate and the House in just 4 years. His despicable shit show
> cost him the election and instead of conceding like a decent man would,
> Trump of course instead tried to undo the votes of the American people.

There were a lot of vectors into the stolen 2020 election but it was mostly some crooked voting machines, 2000 Mules, dead democrat voters and the libturd MSM media lies that cost President Trump the election.

On 5/22/2022 9:08 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> On 5/22/2022 10:11:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> That is exactly what is going on in the cult of Trump.   Trump cost
>> your party
>> the WH, the Senate and the House in just 4 years.  His despicable shit
>> show
>> cost him the election and instead of conceding like a decent man would,
>> Trump of course instead tried to undo the votes of the American people.
>
>
> There were a lot of vectors into the stolen 2020 election but it was
> mostly some crooked voting machines, 2000 Mules, dead democrat voters
> and the libturd MSM media lies that cost President Trump the election.

Always amazing that anyone can believe even one of trumps lies.
Incomprehensible that there are trumptards out there that believe all of
them, when they are so obviously lies.

Even trump's own Attorney General said there was nothing to back them
up. They were just lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aUMFQqZemI

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 12:36:38 PM UTC-4, Pthirus Pubis wrote:
> On 5/22/2022 11:19:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > Regarding the 2022 elections, what do Republicans think candidates should
> > be focused on:
> >
> > Showing allegiance to Trump 52%
> > Talking about the 2020 election 44%
> >
> > If that isn't a lot of people mindlessly following their leader, IDK what is.
> How do you feel about crooked lying Hillary now? Before the election, the MSM spread the russian collusion lie non-stop for weeks...now the lying libturd MSM is silent.
>
> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/rip-robbie-outing-hillary-clinton-behind-trump-russia-lie-fear-robbie-mooks-days-numbered/

That's a very good observation. This was by far the dirtiest trick ever played in
any national election. It makes what Nixon's re-election campaign was doing
look like amateur hour. And of course they have Hillary protected from any
possible criminal charges. If I was Trump, I would sue all those involved for
defamation and knowing Trump, I would not be surprised if that's coming.

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 6:13:41 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
> On 5/22/2022 9:08 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> > On 5/22/2022 10:11:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >> That is exactly what is going on in the cult of Trump. Trump cost
> >> your party
> >> the WH, the Senate and the House in just 4 years. His despicable shit
> >> show
> >> cost him the election and instead of conceding like a decent man would,
> >> Trump of course instead tried to undo the votes of the American people.
> >
> >
> > There were a lot of vectors into the stolen 2020 election but it was
> > mostly some crooked voting machines, 2000 Mules, dead democrat voters
> > and the libturd MSM media lies that cost President Trump the election.
> Always amazing that anyone can believe even one of trumps lies.
> Incomprehensible that there are trumptards out there that believe all of
> them, when they are so obviously lies.
>
> Even trump's own Attorney General said there was nothing to back them
> up. They were just lies.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aUMFQqZemI

That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that had no
evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits team Trump
brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either withdrawn or lost.
I eagerly await the outcome of the defamation lawsuits against Rudy, Powell
and Pillowhead. That's going to be the ultimate court case, where they will
have the opportunity to show the court the evidence to back up their BS.
Instead, so far, Powell has said no one should have believed what she was
saying was true and Rudy said he was too busy to verify whether anything
was accurate or not. With Rudy, that defense sure isn't going to work,
because he's still be shooting his mouth off frequently on his radio show,
perpetuating the stolen election lies. Though I think even he has enough
sense to not specifically mention Dominion anymore. But IMO it's still
relevant, because it's all part and parcel of one thing, to lie about the election
and try to keep Trump in office at all costs. Hopefully for this bunch, that
cost will be so much money that it bankrupts them all.

On 5/23/2022 9:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 12:36:38 PM UTC-4, Pthirus Pubis wrote:
>> On 5/22/2022 11:19:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> Regarding the 2022 elections, what do Republicans think candidates should
>>> be focused on:
>>>
>>> Showing allegiance to Trump 52%
>>> Talking about the 2020 election 44%
>>>
>>> If that isn't a lot of people mindlessly following their leader, IDK what is.
>> How do you feel about crooked lying Hillary now? Before the election, the MSM spread the russian collusion lie non-stop for weeks...now the lying libturd MSM is silent.
>>
>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/rip-robbie-outing-hillary-clinton-behind-trump-russia-lie-fear-robbie-mooks-days-numbered/
>
> That's a very good observation. This was by far the dirtiest trick ever played in
> any national election. It makes what Nixon's re-election campaign was doing
> look like amateur hour. And of course they have Hillary protected from any
> possible criminal charges. If I was Trump, I would sue all those involved for
> defamation and knowing Trump, I would not be surprised if that's coming.

The smoking gun has been found in Hillary's hand.
Complicity also goes along with the media and politicians like Pelosi.
There is also FBI corruption.
If you do not think the media has being duped by the media, look again.

On 5/23/2022 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that had no
> evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits team Trump
> brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either withdrawn or lost.

Warning: Gaslight alert!