On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-4, devnull wrote:
> On 5/23/2022 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that had no
> > evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits team Trump
> > brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either withdrawn or lost.
> Warning: Gaslight alert!

On what basis? It's absolutely factual.

On 5/24/2022 9:19:56 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-4, devnull wrote:
>> On 5/23/2022 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that had no
>>> evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits team Trump
>>> brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either withdrawn or lost.
>> Warning: Gaslight alert!
>
> On what basis? It's absolutely factual.

CONFIRMED: Search Warrants Served at Arizona Nonprofit and for Employee’s Home in Connection with “2000 Mules” Ballot Trafficking Election Scandal

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/confirmed-search-warrants-served-arizona-nonprofit-employees-home-connection-2000-mules-ballot-trafficking-election-scandal/

I'm going with massive election fraud because I just can't believe 81 million people were fucking stupid enough to actually vote for Biden/Harris.

On 5/24/2022 10:17 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> On 5/24/2022 9:19:56 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-4, devnull wrote:
>>> On 5/23/2022 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>> That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that
>>>> had no
>>>> evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits
>>>> team Trump
>>>> brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either
>>>> withdrawn or lost.
>>> Warning: Gaslight alert!
>>
>> On what basis?  It's absolutely factual.
>
>
> CONFIRMED: Search Warrants Served at Arizona Nonprofit and for
> Employee’s Home in Connection with “2000 Mules” Ballot Trafficking
> Election Scandal
>

"A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week
uses a flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box
surveillance footage to cast doubt on the results of the 2020
presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended.

Praised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election
fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture
suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to
illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan,
Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

But that’s based on faulty assumptions, anonymous accounts and improper
analysis of cellphone location data, which is not precise enough to
confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to
experts."

On 5/24/2022 5:49 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 5/24/2022 10:17 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
>> On 5/24/2022 9:19:56 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-4, devnull wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/2022 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>> That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that
>>>>> had no
>>>>> evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits
>>>>> team Trump
>>>>> brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either
>>>>> withdrawn or lost.
>>>> Warning: Gaslight alert!
>>>
>>> On what basis?  It's absolutely factual.
>>
>>
>> CONFIRMED: Search Warrants Served at Arizona Nonprofit and for
>> Employee’s Home in Connection with “2000 Mules” Ballot Trafficking
>> Election Scandal
>>
>
> "A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week
> uses a flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box
> surveillance footage to cast doubt on the results of the 2020
> presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended.
>
> Praised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election
> fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture
> suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to
> illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan,
> Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
>
> But that’s based on faulty assumptions, anonymous accounts and improper
> analysis of cellphone location data, which is not precise enough to
> confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to
> experts."

Fuck you Bob , that cell phone data was precise enough to arrest
hundreds of people that were at the capitol on Jan6 . If it's good
enough for them , it's good enough for us . Can't have it both ways man .
--
Snag
My rights don't end
where your fears begin .

On Tue, 24 May 22 22:17:26 UTC, Randy Patzkowski <randyp@redacted.org>
wrote:

>I'm going with massive election fraud because I just can't believe 81 million people were fucking stupid enough to actually vote for Biden/Harris.

I know how you feel. I can't believe 74 million people were stupid
enough to vote for Trump in 2020. After seeing him in action for 4
years, I don't understand how he got more than a few thousand.

On Tue, 24 May 2022 19:02:41 -0500, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 5/24/2022 5:49 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 5/24/2022 10:17 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
>>> On 5/24/2022 9:19:56 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-4, devnull wrote:
>>>>> On 5/23/2022 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>> That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that
>>>>>> had no
>>>>>> evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits
>>>>>> team Trump
>>>>>> brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either
>>>>>> withdrawn or lost.
>>>>> Warning: Gaslight alert!
>>>>
>>>> On what basis?  It's absolutely factual.
>>>
>>>
>>> CONFIRMED: Search Warrants Served at Arizona Nonprofit and for
>>> Employee’s Home in Connection with “2000 Mules” Ballot Trafficking
>>> Election Scandal
>>>
>>
>> "A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week
>> uses a flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box
>> surveillance footage to cast doubt on the results of the 2020
>> presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended.
>>
>> Praised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election
>> fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture
>> suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to
>> illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan,
>> Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
>>
>> But that’s based on faulty assumptions, anonymous accounts and improper
>> analysis of cellphone location data, which is not precise enough to
>> confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to
>> experts."
>
> Fuck you Bob , that cell phone data was precise enough to arrest
>hundreds of people that were at the capitol on Jan6 . If it's good
>enough for them , it's good enough for us . Can't have it both ways man .

From a location perspective, are you saying you don't see a difference
between a ballot box and the Capitol complex?

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 6:17:32 PM UTC-4, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> On 5/24/2022 9:19:56 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-4, devnull wrote:
> >> On 5/23/2022 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>> That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that had no
> >>> evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits team Trump
> >>> brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either withdrawn or lost.
> >> Warning: Gaslight alert!
> >
> > On what basis? It's absolutely factual.
> CONFIRMED: Search Warrants Served at Arizona Nonprofit and for Employee’s Home in Connection with “2000 Mules” Ballot Trafficking Election Scandal
>
> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/confirmed-search-warrants-served-arizona-nonprofit-employees-home-connection-2000-mules-ballot-trafficking-election-scandal/
>
>
>
> I'm going with massive election fraud because I just can't believe 81 million people were fucking stupid enough to actually vote for Biden/Harris.

I get immediately turned off when they start off basically lying:

"True The Vote and Dinesh D’Souza’s groundbreaking new film revealed that the 2020 Presidential Election was stolen through illegal ballot trafficking by nonprofit organizations and featured the undercover investigative work of David Lara and Arizona State Senate candidate Gary Snyder."

The most the film did was raise some interesting questions worth pursuing.
Regarding that, doesn't it concern you that there is nothing factual in this article
that explains anything at all about these alleged warrants?

I did find this:

https://djhjmedia.com/steven/the-2000-mules-effect-search-warrants-served-at-arizona-nonprofit-and-for-employees-home-over-ballot-trafficking/

"New details have emerged about a raid in Yuma County, Arizona. There was no search warrant for the non-profit, only for one of the employees there, who had her phone confiscated and has investigators going to her house. It is unclear what law enforcement agency conducted this raid, but San Luis Police and the Yuma County Sheriff’s office have denied involvement..
Sources tell The Gateway Pundit that a group from Phoenix with the Attorney General’s office executed these warrants."

So, if that's right, the story you cited is off base, it said that a warrant was executed at
the non-profit too. I'll wait for the facts to come out. It's possible this warrant has
nothing to do with the election at all. But even if it turns out there was
some illegal ballot activity in one place in AZ, no one has come even remotely close to
showing that it would have changed the results in AZ, let alone in the USA. We all
know that in any election with 150 mil voting there is going to be some fraud,
somewhere.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:50:20 PM UTC-4, Jim Joyce wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2022 19:02:41 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >On 5/24/2022 5:49 PM, Bob F wrote:
> >> On 5/24/2022 10:17 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> >>> On 5/24/2022 9:19:56 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 1:27:31 PM UTC-4, devnull wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/23/2022 9:48 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>>>>> That's right, all those "vectors" were pretty much accusations that
> >>>>>> had no
> >>>>>> evidence at all to back them up. Which is why of all the lawsuits
> >>>>>> team Trump
> >>>>>> brought after the election, alleging fraud, all were either
> >>>>>> withdrawn or lost.
> >>>>> Warning: Gaslight alert!
> >>>>
> >>>> On what basis? It's absolutely factual.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> CONFIRMED: Search Warrants Served at Arizona Nonprofit and for
> >>> Employee’s Home in Connection with “2000 Mules” Ballot Trafficking
> >>> Election Scandal
> >>>
> >>
> >> "A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week
> >> uses a flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box
> >> surveillance footage to cast doubt on the results of the 2020
> >> presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended.
> >>
> >> Praised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election
> >> fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture
> >> suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to
> >> illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan,
> >> Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
> >>
> >> But that’s based on faulty assumptions, anonymous accounts and improper
> >> analysis of cellphone location data, which is not precise enough to
> >> confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to
> >> experts."
> >
> > Fuck you Bob , that cell phone data was precise enough to arrest
> >hundreds of people that were at the capitol on Jan6 . If it's good
> >enough for them , it's good enough for us . Can't have it both ways man ..
> From a location perspective, are you saying you don't see a difference
> between a ballot box and the Capitol complex?

Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.

On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.

Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
it could have changed the results is a moot point.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 5/25/2022 10:17:19 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>
> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>

Biden is doing such a fine job.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/end-america-attorney-thomas-renz-reveals-really-happening-world-health-assembly-week/

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:17:26 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
> > for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
> > the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
> > but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
> > is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
> > you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
> > ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
> > you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
> > numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton

I hope it turns out to be nothing. Because even if there is a shred of something
there, the Trumpers will use it to claim that they were right, the election was stolen.
They are already doing that. So whether it could have changed the election is
not a moot point, if it is shown that a enough fraudulent ballots were put in that
it would have changed the election, it will just further divide America.

On 5/25/2022 10:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>
> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>
In life you often lose and have to accept it even though the winner
cheated. In this case it was probably due to democrats gaming the
system using the fear of the virus. A judge overruled the PA
constitution on voting causing the mess there. They tried to do it here
in DE but were overruled. It is too much of a coincidence that over
night in three states that there was a radical shift in votes for Trump
swinging to Biden.

PA is still dealing with the mess they called with last week's senate
primary still in doubt.

On 5/25/2022 9:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>
> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>

Wrong Cindy , fraud nullifies the results .
--
Snag
My rights don't end
where your fears begin .

On 5/25/2022 1:01 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 9:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good point.  And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>>> for further investigation, which it should be.  With the ballot
>>> thing, we have
>>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen.   The sad thing
>>> here
>>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots,
>>> IDK how
>>> you could ever unpack it all at this point.   How would you figure
>>> out which
>>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc.  Seems best
>>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>>
>> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
>> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
>> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place.  Whether
>> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>>
>
>   Wrong Cindy , fraud nullifies the results .

Unfortunately there is no current mechanism to do this. A seismic shift
in the house and the senate this fall might get Biden impeached but that
would not get Trump replacing him.

On 2022-05-25, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 9:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing,
>>> we have
>>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
>>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots,
>>> IDK how
>>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
>>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
>>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>>
>> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
>> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
>> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
>> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>>
>
> Wrong Cindy , fraud nullifies the results .

Only if Joe Biden was complicit. And only if he's impeached by the
House, tried by the Senate, found guilty, and removed from office.
Then you'll get President Harris. Or if she's found to be complicit,
President Pelosi.

Unless you can point me to some clause of the Constitution or other
federal law that applies and would provide a way to remove Biden without
impeachment and conviction.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:58:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 10:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
> >> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
> >> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
> >> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
> >> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
> >> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
> >> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
> >> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
> >> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
> >
> > Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
> > are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
> > there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
> > it could have changed the results is a moot point.
> >
> In life you often lose and have to accept it even though the winner
> cheated.

Still waiting for the proof that there was any cheating at the level that
would have changed the results.

In this case it was probably due to democrats gaming the
> system using the fear of the virus. A judge overruled the PA
> constitution on voting causing the mess there. They tried to do it here
> in DE but were overruled. It is too much of a coincidence that over
> night in three states that there was a radical shift in votes for Trump
> swinging to Biden.

Oh, please. Two months before the election there were predictions that
the absentee ballots would be weighted favor Biden. Trump had claimed that
mail-in ballots are fraud, his supporters bought into that. I know one that
wouldn't drop off her ballot here at the ballot box provided in a Republican
town, she drove to the county election office. Her guy lost, now like you
she's on the BS stolen election train. We knew that Democrats would use
the mail-in ballots more than Republicans, we had data from states early
in the process BEFORE election day that showed it. Trump knew it too.
He knew that there would be a red wave followed by a blue wave. That's
why he ran out at 1AM, demanded that all counting stop, when not a single
state had even been called and declared any further counting is fraud.
What's sad is that people like you fall for this BS and still can't understand
the perfectly valid reason that the vote shifted as those mail-in ballots
were counted.

>
> PA is still dealing with the mess they called with last week's senate
> primary still in doubt.

At least Oz hasn't done what Trump did, declare he won, try to stop all the
votes being counted and then start an insurrection.

On 5/25/2022 2:07 PM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:58:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 10:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>>>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
>>>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>>>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
>>>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
>>>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
>>>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
>>>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>>>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>>>
>>> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
>>> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
>>> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
>>> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>>>
>> In life you often lose and have to accept it even though the winner
>> cheated.
>
> Still waiting for the proof that there was any cheating at the level that
> would have changed the results.
>
>
> In this case it was probably due to democrats gaming the
>> system using the fear of the virus. A judge overruled the PA
>> constitution on voting causing the mess there. They tried to do it here
>> in DE but were overruled. It is too much of a coincidence that over
>> night in three states that there was a radical shift in votes for Trump
>> swinging to Biden.
>
> Oh, please. Two months before the election there were predictions that
> the absentee ballots would be weighted favor Biden. Trump had claimed that
> mail-in ballots are fraud, his supporters bought into that. I know one that
> wouldn't drop off her ballot here at the ballot box provided in a Republican
> town, she drove to the county election office. Her guy lost, now like you
> she's on the BS stolen election train. We knew that Democrats would use
> the mail-in ballots more than Republicans, we had data from states early
> in the process BEFORE election day that showed it. Trump knew it too.
> He knew that there would be a red wave followed by a blue wave. That's
> why he ran out at 1AM, demanded that all counting stop, when not a single
> state had even been called and declared any further counting is fraud.
> What's sad is that people like you fall for this BS and still can't understand
> the perfectly valid reason that the vote shifted as those mail-in ballots
> were counted.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> PA is still dealing with the mess they called with last week's senate
>> primary still in doubt.
>
> At least Oz hasn't done what Trump did, declare he won, try to stop all the
> votes being counted and then start an insurrection.

Trump and the media own your head.

On 5/25/2022 2:06 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-25, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 9:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>>>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing,
>>>> we have
>>>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>>>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
>>>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots,
>>>> IDK how
>>>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
>>>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
>>>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>>>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>>>
>>> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
>>> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
>>> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
>>> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong Cindy , fraud nullifies the results .
>
> Only if Joe Biden was complicit. And only if he's impeached by the
> House, tried by the Senate, found guilty, and removed from office.
> Then you'll get President Harris. Or if she's found to be complicit,
> President Pelosi.
>
> Unless you can point me to some clause of the Constitution or other
> federal law that applies and would provide a way to remove Biden without
> impeachment and conviction.
>

Yes, and what a lovely succession list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

Best we tough it up and grin and bear it.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 1:55:22 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 2:06 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-05-25, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/25/2022 9:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
> >>>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing,
> >>>> we have
> >>>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
> >>>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
> >>>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots,
> >>>> IDK how
> >>>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
> >>>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
> >>>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
> >>>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
> >>>
> >>> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
> >>> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
> >>> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
> >>> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Wrong Cindy , fraud nullifies the results .
> >
> > Only if Joe Biden was complicit. And only if he's impeached by the
> > House, tried by the Senate, found guilty, and removed from office.
> > Then you'll get President Harris. Or if she's found to be complicit,
> > President Pelosi.
> >
> > Unless you can point me to some clause of the Constitution or other
> > federal law that applies and would provide a way to remove Biden without
> > impeachment and conviction.
> >
> Yes, and what a lovely succession list:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
>
> Best we tough it up and grin and bear it.
It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can find plenty
of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.

On 5/25/2022 2:06 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-25, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 9:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>>>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing,
>>>> we have
>>>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>>>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
>>>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots,
>>>> IDK how
>>>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
>>>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
>>>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>>>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>>>
>>> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
>>> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
>>> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
>>> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong Cindy , fraud nullifies the results .
>
> Only if Joe Biden was complicit. And only if he's impeached by the
> House, tried by the Senate, found guilty, and removed from office.
> Then you'll get President Harris. Or if she's found to be complicit,
> President Pelosi.
>
> Unless you can point me to some clause of the Constitution or other
> federal law that applies and would provide a way to remove Biden without
> impeachment and conviction.
>

Why not just do it? Trump wanted to ignore the constitution on other
things so I'm sure he will just call the moving vans to get it done.
Oath Keepers will help out.

On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can find plenty
> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.

Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.

Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 05/25/2022 01:09 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 1:55:22 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 2:06 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-25, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2022 9:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
>>>>>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing,
>>>>>> we have
>>>>>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
>>>>>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
>>>>>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots,
>>>>>> IDK how
>>>>>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
>>>>>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
>>>>>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
>>>>>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
>>>>> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
>>>>> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
>>>>> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wrong Cindy , fraud nullifies the results .
>>>
>>> Only if Joe Biden was complicit. And only if he's impeached by the
>>> House, tried by the Senate, found guilty, and removed from office.
>>> Then you'll get President Harris. Or if she's found to be complicit,
>>> President Pelosi.
>>>
>>> Unless you can point me to some clause of the Constitution or other
>>> federal law that applies and would provide a way to remove Biden without
>>> impeachment and conviction.
>>>
>> Yes, and what a lovely succession list:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
>>
>> Best we tough it up and grin and bear it.
>
> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can find plenty
> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>

One could find a better speaker in the homeless camp down by the river.
We do an in house demo of our new product every other Thursday. On
Tuesday we do a rehearsal to make sure it doesn't turn into a clown
show. Apparently that's too much work for Harris.

On 05/25/2022 03:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can find plenty
>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>
> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>
> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>

Not coming off like an idiot would be a plus.

https://ethicsalarms.com/2022/05/15/unethical-and-head-exploding-quote-of-the-day-vp-kamala-harris/comment-page-1/

“We will work together, and continue to work together, to address these
issues, to tackle these challenges, and to work together as we continue
to work operating from the new norms, rules, and agreements, that we
will convene to work together…We will work together.”

https://nypost.com/2021/11/16/kamala-harris-is-a-very-weird-person/

She sounds like a Markov chain text generator programmed by a not
particularly bright 8th grader.

On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can find plenty
>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>
> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>
> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>

I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
has done as vp because she has not done anything.

On 5/26/2022 7:40:22 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's hard to  believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker.  One can find plenty
>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>
>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>
>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>
>
> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she has done as vp because she has not done anything.

Yah, and when a democrat's lips are moving, they're lying. For example, President Cabbagehead said the experimental clot shots would not be mandatory. Clearly another democrat lie.