On 05/26/2022 05:40 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can
>>> find plenty
>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>
>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>
>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>
>
> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
> has done as vp because she has not done anything.

VP's seldom do but she does nothing more spectacularly. She makes Dan
Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.

On 5/26/2022 9:46 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On 05/26/2022 05:40 AM, Frank wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>   It's hard to  believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker.  One can
>>>> find plenty
>>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>>
>>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>>
>>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>>
>>
>> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
>> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
>> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
>
> VP's seldom do but she does nothing more spectacularly. She makes Dan
> Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.

In a recent poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala in 2024 who would
you vote for?

Surprisingly, she was 3 points ahead. 41 -38. I fibured she would be
no more than 5%.

On 5/26/2022 9:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 9:46 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 05/26/2022 05:40 AM, Frank wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>   It's hard to  believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker.  One can
>>>>> find plenty
>>>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>>>
>>>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>>>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>>>
>>>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
>>> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
>>> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
>>
>> VP's seldom do but she does nothing more spectacularly. She makes Dan
>> Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.
>
> In a recent poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala in 2024 who would
> you vote for?
>
> Surprisingly, she was 3 points ahead.  41 -38.  I fibured she would be
> no more than 5%.

Polls are BS and you know it.

On 5/26/2022 10:41 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 9:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/26/2022 9:46 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 05/26/2022 05:40 AM, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>   It's hard to  believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker.  One can
>>>>>> find plenty
>>>>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>>>>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
>>>> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
>>>> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
>>>
>>> VP's seldom do but she does nothing more spectacularly. She makes Dan
>>> Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.
>>
>> In a recent poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala in 2024 who
>> would you vote for?
>>
>> Surprisingly, she was 3 points ahead.  41 -38.  I fibured she would be
>> no more than 5%.
>
> Polls are BS and you know it.

Yeah, but that one has to really upset you.

On 5/26/2022 12:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala

Why would it? I know the media is out to demonize anyone that might run
against a democrat and that includes pollsters.

On 5/26/2022 12:56 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 12:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala
>
> Why would it?  I know the media is out to demonize anyone that might run
> against a democrat and that includes pollsters.

I know, it is just so sad how some conservatives are treated. Even the
Republican polls are against them

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/519136-new-2024-presidential-poll-shows-kamala-harris-ahead-of-ron-desantis/

Don't feel bad, Putin did not do well either.

On 05/26/2022 07:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 9:46 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 05/26/2022 05:40 AM, Frank wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can
>>>>> find plenty
>>>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>>>
>>>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>>>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>>>
>>>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
>>> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
>>> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
>>
>> VP's seldom do but she does nothing more spectacularly. She makes Dan
>> Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.
>
> In a recent poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala in 2024 who would
> you vote for?
>
> Surprisingly, she was 3 points ahead. 41 -38. I fibured she would be
> no more than 5%.

Was that a poll of Democrats? I would vote for Tulsi Gabbard but I think
she's pissed the Democrats off to much to run on their ticket.

On 5/26/2022 10:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 05/26/2022 07:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/26/2022 9:46 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 05/26/2022 05:40 AM, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>   It's hard to  believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker.  One can
>>>>>> find plenty
>>>>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>>>>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
>>>> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
>>>> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
>>>
>>> VP's seldom do but she does nothing more spectacularly. She makes Dan
>>> Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.
>>
>> In a recent poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala in 2024 who would
>> you vote for?
>>
>> Surprisingly, she was 3 points ahead.  41 -38.  I fibured she would be
>> no more than 5%.
>
> Was that a poll of Democrats? I would vote for Tulsi Gabbard but I think
> she's pissed the Democrats off to much to run on their ticket.

Nope, registered voters

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/519136-new-2024-presidential-poll-shows-kamala-harris-ahead-of-ron-desantis/

Another national survey suggests Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is a viable
presidential candidate in 2024, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have
work to do.

The April 2022 Harvard/Harris Poll puts the Governor behind one
potential 2024 General Election opponent, should both make the ballot.

In a poll of 1,966 registered voters conducted online Apr. 20 and 21,
DeSantis is 4 points behind Vice President Kamala Harris, in the event
he and Harris were to become their parties’ respective nominees.

On 05/26/2022 09:03 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 10:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 05/26/2022 07:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2022 9:46 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On 05/26/2022 05:40 AM, Frank wrote:
>>>>> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can
>>>>>>> find plenty
>>>>>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>>>>>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
>>>>> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
>>>>> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
>>>>
>>>> VP's seldom do but she does nothing more spectacularly. She makes Dan
>>>> Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.
>>>
>>> In a recent poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala in 2024 who would
>>> you vote for?
>>>
>>> Surprisingly, she was 3 points ahead. 41 -38. I fibured she would be
>>> no more than 5%.
>>
>> Was that a poll of Democrats? I would vote for Tulsi Gabbard but I
>> think she's pissed the Democrats off to much to run on their ticket.
>
> Nope, registered voters
>
> https://floridapolitics.com/archives/519136-new-2024-presidential-poll-shows-kamala-harris-ahead-of-ron-desantis/
>
>
> Another national survey suggests Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is a viable
> presidential candidate in 2024, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have
> work to do.
>
> The April 2022 Harvard/Harris Poll puts the Governor behind one
> potential 2024 General Election opponent, should both make the ballot.
>
> In a poll of 1,966 registered voters conducted online Apr. 20 and 21,
> DeSantis is 4 points behind Vice President Kamala Harris, in the event
> he and Harris were to become their parties’ respective nominees.
>

It only confirms my opinion that suffrage is greatly overrated. The only
qualification for a voter is a positive pulse, although that might not
be necessary in all jurisdictions. One cannot completely blame the
voters when the two wings of the same buzzard put forward nothing but
political hacks. In Harris' case, a hack of color.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 2:07 PM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:58:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 5/25/2022 10:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On 2022-05-25, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Good point. And in either case, any such data would be a starting point
> >>>> for further investigation, which it should be. With the ballot thing, we have
> >>>> the stolen election bunch declaring that they've not only proven fraud,
> >>>> but proven that the presidential election was stolen. The sad thing here
> >>>> is that if it's proven that people were illegally depositing ballots, IDK how
> >>>> you could ever unpack it all at this point. How would you figure out which
> >>>> ballots were the ones they put in, who those voted for, etc. Seems best
> >>>> you might be able to do would be to determine the extent of it in total
> >>>> numbers and if it could have changed the results in the state.
> >>>
> >>> Although it would be good to find and prosecute any wrongdoers (if any
> >>> are found), at this point Biden has been sworn in as President and
> >>> there's no Constitutional means to install Trump in his place. Whether
> >>> it could have changed the results is a moot point.
> >>>
> >> In life you often lose and have to accept it even though the winner
> >> cheated.
> >
> > Still waiting for the proof that there was any cheating at the level that
> > would have changed the results.
> >
> >
> > In this case it was probably due to democrats gaming the
> >> system using the fear of the virus. A judge overruled the PA
> >> constitution on voting causing the mess there. They tried to do it here
> >> in DE but were overruled. It is too much of a coincidence that over
> >> night in three states that there was a radical shift in votes for Trump
> >> swinging to Biden.
> >
> > Oh, please. Two months before the election there were predictions that
> > the absentee ballots would be weighted favor Biden. Trump had claimed that
> > mail-in ballots are fraud, his supporters bought into that. I know one that
> > wouldn't drop off her ballot here at the ballot box provided in a Republican
> > town, she drove to the county election office. Her guy lost, now like you
> > she's on the BS stolen election train. We knew that Democrats would use
> > the mail-in ballots more than Republicans, we had data from states early
> > in the process BEFORE election day that showed it. Trump knew it too.
> > He knew that there would be a red wave followed by a blue wave. That's
> > why he ran out at 1AM, demanded that all counting stop, when not a single
> > state had even been called and declared any further counting is fraud.
> > What's sad is that people like you fall for this BS and still can't understand
> > the perfectly valid reason that the vote shifted as those mail-in ballots
> > were counted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> PA is still dealing with the mess they called with last week's senate
> >> primary still in doubt.
> >
> > At least Oz hasn't done what Trump did, declare he won, try to stop all the
> > votes being counted and then start an insurrection.
> Trump and the media own your head.

Right, you didn't even address the factual explanation I gave you for why
the mail-in ballots favored Biden, thus shifting the vote percentages as
they were counted over time. Never mind the facts, just cut straight to
the ad hominem attack. That's because you can't dispute the actual facts,
which of course were accurately reported by the media. I suppose you think
Trump was right when he came out at 1AM, when not a single state had
been called, some were only 60% in, and he demanded that all vote counting
stop because he had won. That's the new Trump, GOP and Frank style
democracy you want for America.

On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 7:40:30 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can find plenty
> >> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
> >
> > Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
> > don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
> >
> > Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
> >
> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
> has done as vp because she has not done anything.

Funny how we didn't hear a peep from you about Pence not doing anything.
That's what VPs do, mostly nothing. With regard to speaking, Pence had an
opportunity after the election to tell Republicans the truth, that he and Trump
had lost the election, that he accepts the results. He had a chance after Jan 6
to denounce what had happened, tell America that Biden won, but he was a coward.
That's when we needed him. Now when we don't need him, he's
finally tip toeing around, starting to distance himself from Trump, because he
wants to run for president even though he has zero chance. Even in doing that,
he picks primaries where a candidate is way ahead, doesn't need
him, and shows up at the last minute. Like when he went to Georgia to
endorse Kemp in the final days.

On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:42:06 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 9:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/26/2022 9:46 AM, rbowman wrote:
> >> On 05/26/2022 05:40 AM, Frank wrote:
> >>> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can
> >>>>> find plenty
> >>>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
> >>>>
> >>>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
> >>>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
> >>> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
> >>> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
> >>
> >> VP's seldom do but she does nothing more spectacularly. She makes Dan
> >> Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.
> >
> > In a recent poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala in 2024 who would
> > you vote for?
> >
> > Surprisingly, she was 3 points ahead. 41 -38. I fibured she would be
> > no more than 5%.
> Polls are BS and you know it.

Right, because the polls are off sometimes, eg 2016, that means that they
are all BS. Do you really think that's the path to winning for the Republican Party?
I saw a recent poll cited on the Sunday morning shows. They asked Republican
voters what was important for their candidates to be focused on for the 2022
elections.

52% - Supporting Trump
43% - Talking about the 2020 stolen election

I believe those numbers because they fit what I see Republicans saying and
doing.

On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 12:56:20 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 12:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala
> Why would it? I know the media is out to demonize anyone that might run
> against a democrat and that includes pollsters.

All pollsters are Democrats? Seems to me it's more like anyone
who you disagree with, anyone who confronts you with facts that you
don't like, is a no good Democrat.

On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 2:35:49 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 12:56 PM, Frank wrote:
> > On 5/26/2022 12:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> poll. if Gov. DeSantis ran against Kamala
> >
> > Why would it? I know the media is out to demonize anyone that might run
> > against a democrat and that includes pollsters.
> I know, it is just so sad how some conservatives are treated. Even the
> Republican polls are against them
>
> https://floridapolitics.com/archives/519136-new-2024-presidential-poll-shows-kamala-harris-ahead-of-ron-desantis/
>
> Don't feel bad, Putin did not do well either.

You left out the best part from that poll:

"In a field including Trump and DeSantis, the former President drew 58% support among Republican registered voters, 45 points ahead of the Florida Governor."

So 58% of Republicans want to continue to follow Trump down the toilet.
He lost the WH, Senate and House in just 4 years, impeached twice,
it ended in a despicable insurrection whipped up by Trump. They want
more of it. Go figure.

And for Frank, it's rather odd that if this poll is just media propaganda to
help the Democrats, it also includes this:

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell were at
-21 and -20 overall (net approval), respectively, the worst net for elected officials.
Former CNN host Chris Cuomo was even worse, at -25. "

On 5/27/2022 7:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 7:40:30 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can find plenty
>>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
>>>
>>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
>>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
>>>
>>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
>>>
>> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
>> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
>> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
>
> Funny how we didn't hear a peep from you about Pence not doing anything.
> That's what VPs do, mostly nothing. With regard to speaking, Pence had an
> opportunity after the election to tell Republicans the truth, that he and Trump
> had lost the election, that he accepts the results. He had a chance after Jan 6
> to denounce what had happened, tell America that Biden won, but he was a coward.
> That's when we needed him. Now when we don't need him, he's
> finally tip toeing around, starting to distance himself from Trump, because he
> wants to run for president even though he has zero chance. Even in doing that,
> he picks primaries where a candidate is way ahead, doesn't need
> him, and shows up at the last minute. Like when he went to Georgia to
> endorse Kemp in the final days.

I see my comments have really pulled your chain.

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 9:05:54 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 5/27/2022 7:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 7:40:30 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 5/25/2022 5:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On 2022-05-25, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It's hard to believe VP Harris is such a lousy speaker. One can find plenty
> >>>> of better speakers in the small town churches around the USA.
> >>>
> >>> Although it's an advantage for a politician to be a good speaker, I
> >>> don't consider it a prime qualification for actually governing.
> >>>
> >>> Hitler was a fantastic speaker, after all.
> >>>
> >> I have often said, I do not care what a political leader says but what
> >> they do. Harris is a bad speaker but it is hard to comment on what she
> >> has done as vp because she has not done anything.
> >
> > Funny how we didn't hear a peep from you about Pence not doing anything.
> > That's what VPs do, mostly nothing. With regard to speaking, Pence had an
> > opportunity after the election to tell Republicans the truth, that he and Trump
> > had lost the election, that he accepts the results. He had a chance after Jan 6
> > to denounce what had happened, tell America that Biden won, but he was a coward.
> > That's when we needed him. Now when we don't need him, he's
> > finally tip toeing around, starting to distance himself from Trump, because he
> > wants to run for president even though he has zero chance. Even in doing that,
> > he picks primaries where a candidate is way ahead, doesn't need
> > him, and shows up at the last minute. Like when he went to Georgia to
> > endorse Kemp in the final days.
> I see my comments have really pulled your chain.

I see you're just like Trump, say anything, lie, doesn't matter, because you just want
to provoke and stir things up. In Woodward's book, Jared Kushner admits that was
Trump's tactic. Say some lie, knowing that the media will react, then use that to claim
the media is "fake news", all the while getting more attention. That free publicity has
come at a terrible price to the country.