On 11/11/2023 7:02 PM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2023 3:22 PM, songbird wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> I seem to recall someone asking recently if they still sell canned
>>>> mackerel. I do remember seeing in a store here not all that long
>>>> ago. At the time I wondered who in their right mind would buy it.
>>>
>>> it's fine if that is all they have at a decent price
>>> in canned fishies.
>>>
>>>
>>> songbird
>>
>> It may be fine to you, but then again you don't seem to have much of
>> a discerning taste.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Smile, some folks prefer it's stronger taste. I'm not one of them nor
> are you but he doesn't lack dicerning tastes just because he's liking
> some things you don't.

The only reason I made that remark is because songbird frequently
mentions liking canned SpaghettiOs. He frequently posts about fresh
vegetables and gardening yet happily eats canned pasta. It's an odd
juxtaposition.

Jill

On 2023-11-12, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 11/11/2023 6:41 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:56:33 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2023 5:00 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> A Japanese breakfast with a little bit of mackerel would be
>>> great. Waking up and having the house smell like fish that was fried
>>> the night before is not fine. Having a house that smells like fish is
>>> not fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> true, we don't cook fish often here at all and
>>>>>> we don't fry much either so we don't have grease
>>>>>> and food smells hanging on the walls or the rest
>>>>>> of the place.
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't fry fish. We cook it fairly often on the grill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shrimp are more frequently sauteed than grilled. We always
>>>>> have some in the freezer, and they're easy to defrost for a
>>>>> quick meal.
>>>>>
>>>> I frequently pan fry mild fish in a little oil yet my house does
>>>> not smell like grease or fish. I don't buy stinky fish.
>>>
>>> Fear of fish flavour. Conservative biddy taste buds.
>>
>> Bruce, many people prefer milder fish. Jill isn't odd in that at all.
>> Most fish we eat would class as mild. Though not every type, among
>> them are Cod, snapper, sole, lingcod come to mind. Also fake crab or
>> fake lobster. Then you have lots of shellfish (clams in several types
>> and mussels), Octopus, squid, crawdads, shrimp and our local bluecrab.
>> I also do tuna, sea bass, trout, and salmon at times. The one we do
>> that she likely doesn't is catfish.
>
> I had to read that twice, Carol. Are you saying I don't cook catfish?!

I'm the one who doesn't like catfish. Or any freshwater fish.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 11/12/2023 9:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-11-12, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 11/11/2023 6:41 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:56:33 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/2023 5:00 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> A Japanese breakfast with a little bit of mackerel would be
>>>> great. Waking up and having the house smell like fish that was fried
>>>> the night before is not fine. Having a house that smells like fish is
>>>> not fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> true, we don't cook fish often here at all and
>>>>>>> we don't fry much either so we don't have grease
>>>>>>> and food smells hanging on the walls or the rest
>>>>>>> of the place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We don't fry fish. We cook it fairly often on the grill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shrimp are more frequently sauteed than grilled. We always
>>>>>> have some in the freezer, and they're easy to defrost for a
>>>>>> quick meal.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I frequently pan fry mild fish in a little oil yet my house does
>>>>> not smell like grease or fish. I don't buy stinky fish.
>>>>
>>>> Fear of fish flavour. Conservative biddy taste buds.
>>>
>>> Bruce, many people prefer milder fish. Jill isn't odd in that at all.
>>> Most fish we eat would class as mild. Though not every type, among
>>> them are Cod, snapper, sole, lingcod come to mind. Also fake crab or
>>> fake lobster. Then you have lots of shellfish (clams in several types
>>> and mussels), Octopus, squid, crawdads, shrimp and our local bluecrab.
>>> I also do tuna, sea bass, trout, and salmon at times. The one we do
>>> that she likely doesn't is catfish.
>>
>> I had to read that twice, Carol. Are you saying I don't cook catfish?!
>
> I'm the one who doesn't like catfish. Or any freshwater fish.
>
Once again, Carol is confused. And catfish may taste muddy to some but
it is certainly not a stinky fish.

Jill

On 11/10/2023 11:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 11/10/2023 2:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 10:54:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>>
>>> A Japanese breakfast with a little bit of mackerel would be great.
>>> Waking up and having the house smell like fish that was fried the
>>> night before is not fine. Having a house that smells like fish is
>>> not fine.
>>
>> I know people who do all their frying outside in the yard, so that
>> the house won't smell of it. I don't understand that. A house is
>> supposed to be lived in.

Make up your mind, should they fry outside or cook inside so the house
is "lived in"?

>> Food smells are fine, as long as we're not
>> talking about durian, mutton bird or extensive deep frying. We don't
>> live in museums or doctors' waiting rooms.
>
Who the heck regularly eats durian, mutton bird (whatever the heck that
is) and lets food grease build up in the kitchen? Sloppy cooks, perhaps.

> I agree, for the most part.  I don't like the modern open concept,
> though.  Keep the kitchen doors shut while cooking, and open the windows
> if it's in season.

My kitchen is separate from the dining/living area but don't close the
door when I'm cooking. Food smells don't get trapped in and conversely,
the house does not *stink* when I cook fish or anything else.

Jill

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:58:06 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/10/2023 11:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> > On 11/10/2023 2:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 10:54:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >>>
> >>> A Japanese breakfast with a little bit of mackerel would be great.
> >>> Waking up and having the house smell like fish that was fried the
> >>> night before is not fine. Having a house that smells like fish is
> >>> not fine.
> >>
> >> I know people who do all their frying outside in the yard, so that
> >> the house won't smell of it. I don't understand that. A house is
> >> supposed to be lived in.
>
> Make up your mind, should they fry outside or cook inside so the house
> is "lived in"?
>
> >> Food smells are fine, as long as we're not
> >> talking about durian, mutton bird or extensive deep frying. We don't
> >> live in museums or doctors' waiting rooms.
> >
> Who the heck regularly eats durian, mutton bird (whatever the heck that
> is) and lets food grease build up in the kitchen? Sloppy cooks, perhaps.
> > I agree, for the most part. I don't like the modern open concept,
> > though. Keep the kitchen doors shut while cooking, and open the windows
> > if it's in season.
> My kitchen is separate from the dining/living area but don't close the
> door when I'm cooking. Food smells don't get trapped in and conversely,
> the house does not *stink* when I cook fish or anything else.
>
> Jill

It just stinks when you open your legs...

--
GM

On 2023-11-12, jmcquown wrote:

> On 11/10/2023 11:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

>>> Food smells are fine, as long as we're not
>>> talking about durian, mutton bird

> Who the heck regularly eats durian, mutton bird
> (whatever the heck that is)

I had to look it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muttonbird

I suspect Michael is using the term in its generic sense
('gamey' tasting ducks & geese) vs. its specific sense.
(Unfledged petrels & shearwaters in New Zealand).

Maybe in his neck of the woods it is applied to ducks.

On 2023-11-12, jmcquown wrote:

> My kitchen is separate from the dining/living area
> but don't close the door when I'm cooking.
> Food smells don't get trapped in

I have French doors which I close. If the stove fan
is on, it heeps any smells out of the rest of the house.

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:10:06 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 01:58:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:02 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:52:41 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> >> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:09:47 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> a pretty simple meal (and even better that i did not
> >> >> have to make it). :)
> >> >>
> >> >> salmon was from canned red sockeye, used some of the juice
> >> >> along with chopped onions and some crushed cereal, no other
> >> >> binder, baked until browned.
> >> >>
> >> >> songbird
> >> >>
> >> >I love good salmon patties and that's something I haven't cooked in several
> >> >months. There's a few cans in my larder so that's a meal to consider in a
> >> >few days. Thanks for the reminder!
> >> >
> >> >I put a bit of cornmeal in mine and an egg as the binders.
> >> Cornmeal seems to be a recurring American thing. I'd never have
> >> thought of adding that.
> >
> >When I used to make chili, I'd sprinkle on some cornmeal on top of the chili to thicken it. These days, I use crushed corn chips instead. It gives the chili or soup a nice toasted corn taste.
>
> >We ate lunch at a restaurant today. I shared a chicken pot pie, corn
> >chowder, and corn bread, with my wife.
> .
> I'm getting used to the omnipresence of corn in American cooking.
> .
> >It was so-so.The pie was made
> >with pieces of leftover fried chicken. I'm not usually a picky guy
> >but that was kind of lame and tough chicken. It was an enjoyable time
> >with the family though. The guy sitting on the next table was a
> >singer and guitarist. Cool.
> .
> >https://photos.app.goo.gl/kNHQDYwvFECkiBEs8
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bOj_wm458
> .
> Pacific islander music always seems a bit goody 2 shoe boy scout music
> for under the Christmas tree for me, without any rhythm or anything.

You're right about that - can't do anything about it. This might be more to your style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igAKZoEguk

jmcquown wrote:
....
> My kitchen is separate from the dining/living area but don't close the
> door when I'm cooking. Food smells don't get trapped in and conversely,
> the house does not *stink* when I cook fish or anything else.

if you are cooking fish it is pretty likely i'd
consider it a stink. but oh well. we all survive
and move on.

i have however, been inside some restaurants when
they weren't open for business and i can tell you
that no amount of cleaning will get them to smell
fresh. which is why i say that most of them should
be burned down and rebuilt every five years or so
or at least remodeled...

songbird

jmcquown wrote:
....
> The only reason I made that remark is because songbird frequently
> mentions liking canned SpaghettiOs. He frequently posts about fresh
> vegetables and gardening yet happily eats canned pasta. It's an odd
> juxtaposition.

a mystery wrapped in a conundrum...

really, it's just the fact that it is quick and easy
when nothing else is appealing and i'm tired enough to
not want to cook.

the other day i took some spaghettios and put some
chili powder and garlic salt in them. it was ok but
i would have gladly had something else but i'd had
enough peanut butter for the day.

today we're thawing out chili for tomorrow. i had
beans for brunch and included a little butter on them.
carrots are usually eaten and not mentioned, same for
apples.

the past few days i've been eating buritos with
lettuce and tomatoes on them, whole milk yogurt and
hot sauce and a bit of western dressing for the
top.

raisin bran a few times, some graham crackers and
chocolate frosting (homemade with butter).

i can eat a lot more when i'm gardening but it also
makes me tired enough that i'm not really interested
in cooking that much.

i was supposed to cut up apples this morning, but
now it is too late. i'm not sure i'll have enough
energy or remember to do it later, but there's a good
chance... we'll see how it goes.

songbird

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 10:57:53 -0500, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 11/10/2023 11:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 11/10/2023 2:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> I know people who do all their frying outside in the yard, so that
>>> the house won't smell of it. I don't understand that. A house is
>>> supposed to be lived in.
>
>Make up your mind, should they fry outside or cook inside so the house
>is "lived in"?

Is it that hard to understand what I mean? Cook or fry inside.

>>> Food smells are fine, as long as we're not
>>> talking about durian, mutton bird or extensive deep frying. We don't
>>> live in museums or doctors' waiting rooms.
>>
>Who the heck regularly eats durian, mutton bird (whatever the heck that
>is)

Relax, they're just examples of smelly food.

> and lets food grease build up in the kitchen? Sloppy cooks, perhaps.

I didn't say anything about food grease building up. You brought that
up.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 16:34:11 GMT, Mike Duffy <mxduffy@bell.net> wrote:

>On 2023-11-12, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2023 11:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>>>> Food smells are fine, as long as we're not
>>>> talking about durian, mutton bird
>
>> Who the heck regularly eats durian, mutton bird
>> (whatever the heck that is)
>
>
>I had to look it up:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muttonbird
>
>I suspect Michael is using the term in its generic sense
>('gamey' tasting ducks & geese) vs. its specific sense.
>(Unfledged petrels & shearwaters in New Zealand).
>
>Maybe in his neck of the woods it is applied to ducks.

Michael didn't say that. I did. And I meant mutton birds.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:17:08 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:10:06 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 01:58:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:02 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:52:41 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> >> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:09:47 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a pretty simple meal (and even better that i did not
>> >> >> have to make it). :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> salmon was from canned red sockeye, used some of the juice
>> >> >> along with chopped onions and some crushed cereal, no other
>> >> >> binder, baked until browned.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> songbird
>> >> >>
>> >> >I love good salmon patties and that's something I haven't cooked in several
>> >> >months. There's a few cans in my larder so that's a meal to consider in a
>> >> >few days. Thanks for the reminder!
>> >> >
>> >> >I put a bit of cornmeal in mine and an egg as the binders.
>> >> Cornmeal seems to be a recurring American thing. I'd never have
>> >> thought of adding that.
>> >
>> >When I used to make chili, I'd sprinkle on some cornmeal on top of the chili to thicken it. These days, I use crushed corn chips instead. It gives the chili or soup a nice toasted corn taste.
>>
>> >We ate lunch at a restaurant today. I shared a chicken pot pie, corn
>> >chowder, and corn bread, with my wife.
>> .
>> I'm getting used to the omnipresence of corn in American cooking.
>> .
>> >It was so-so.The pie was made
>> >with pieces of leftover fried chicken. I'm not usually a picky guy
>> >but that was kind of lame and tough chicken. It was an enjoyable time
>> >with the family though. The guy sitting on the next table was a
>> >singer and guitarist. Cool.
>> .
>> >https://photos.app.goo.gl/kNHQDYwvFECkiBEs8
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bOj_wm458
>> .
>> Pacific islander music always seems a bit goody 2 shoe boy scout music
>> for under the Christmas tree for me, without any rhythm or anything.
>
>You're right about that - can't do anything about it. This might be more to your style.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igAKZoEguk

Yes, that does have rhythm :)

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 01:58:00 -0800 (PST)
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bOj_wm458

That's more dolorous than the clouds over the hills.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:17:08 -0800 (PST)
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> > Pacific islander music always seems a bit goody 2 shoe boy scout music
> > for under the Christmas tree for me, without any rhythm or anything.
>
> You're right about that - can't do anything about it. This might be more to your style.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igAKZoEguk

https://youtu.be/5kwIkF6LFDc

jmcquown wrote:

> On 11/11/2023 6:41 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:56:33 -0500, jmcquown
> > > <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 11/10/2023 5:00 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>On 2023-11-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> > > > > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > A Japanese breakfast with a little bit of mackerel would
> > > > > > > be
> > > great. Waking up and having the house smell like fish that was
> > > fried the night before is not fine. Having a house that smells
> > > like fish is not fine.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> true, we don't cook fish often here at all and
> > > > > > we don't fry much either so we don't have grease
> > > > > > and food smells hanging on the walls or the rest
> > > > > > of the place.
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't fry fish. We cook it fairly often on the grill.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shrimp are more frequently sauteed than grilled. We always
> > > > > have some in the freezer, and they're easy to defrost for a
> > > > > quick meal.
> > > > >
> > > > I frequently pan fry mild fish in a little oil yet my house does
> > > > not smell like grease or fish. I don't buy stinky fish.
> > >
> > > Fear of fish flavour. Conservative biddy taste buds.
> >
> > Bruce, many people prefer milder fish. Jill isn't odd in that at
> > all. Most fish we eat would class as mild. Though not every type,
> > among them are Cod, snapper, sole, lingcod come to mind. Also fake
> > crab or fake lobster. Then you have lots of shellfish (clams in
> > several types and mussels), Octopus, squid, crawdads, shrimp and
> > our local bluecrab. I also do tuna, sea bass, trout, and salmon at
> > times. The one we do that she likely doesn't is catfish.
>
> I had to read that twice, Carol. Are you saying I don't cook
> catfish?! Not Mississippi river catfish, that's for darn sure. Don't
> you remember asking for catfish recipes a while back? I posted my
> recipe for Catfish Acadian. The old standby, of course, is catfish
> fillets dredged in seasoned flour blended with cornmeal and pan-fried.
>
> Jill

Sorry, mixed you with Cindy.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2023-11-12, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On 11/11/2023 6:41 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:56:33 -0500, jmcquown
> <j_mcquown@comcast.net> >>> wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> On 11/10/2023 5:00 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>> On 2023-11-10, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> A Japanese breakfast with a little bit of mackerel would be
> >>> great. Waking up and having the house smell like fish that was
> fried >>> the night before is not fine. Having a house that smells
> like fish is >>> not fine.
> > > > > > >
> >>>>>> true, we don't cook fish often here at all and
> >>>>>> we don't fry much either so we don't have grease
> >>>>>> and food smells hanging on the walls or the rest
> >>>>>> of the place.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> We don't fry fish. We cook it fairly often on the grill.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> Shrimp are more frequently sauteed than grilled. We always
> >>>>> have some in the freezer, and they're easy to defrost for a
> >>>>> quick meal.
> > > > > >
> >>>> I frequently pan fry mild fish in a little oil yet my house does
> >>>> not smell like grease or fish. I don't buy stinky fish.
> > > >
> >>> Fear of fish flavour. Conservative biddy taste buds.
> >>
> >> Bruce, many people prefer milder fish. Jill isn't odd in that at
> all. >> Most fish we eat would class as mild. Though not every
> type, among >> them are Cod, snapper, sole, lingcod come to mind.
> Also fake crab or >> fake lobster. Then you have lots of shellfish
> (clams in several types >> and mussels), Octopus, squid, crawdads,
> shrimp and our local bluecrab. >> I also do tuna, sea bass, trout,
> and salmon at times. The one we do >> that she likely doesn't is
> catfish.
> >
> > I had to read that twice, Carol. Are you saying I don't cook
> > catfish?!
>
> I'm the one who doesn't like catfish. Or any freshwater fish.

Thanks Cindy.

Graham wrote:

> On 2023-11-11 4:55 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:48:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >><dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mackerel hasn't made it big in America as it has in some places.
> > > > Mahimahi used to be the fish of choice in Hawaii back in the old
> > > > days. These days, ahi and shrimp are Kings. I think the
> > > > Hawaiians are warming up to salmon. I've even purchased some
> > > > fresh salmon. It was quite tasty and the family seemed to like
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/cFqEwBuxsjAdcbn29
> > >
> > > An advantage of mackerel over salmon is that mackerel is wild
> > > caught, while most salmon are horribly farmed frankenfish.
> >
> > I haven't seen farmed salmon in a bit. You also 'forgot' we have
> > some very reputable non polluting farms in the USA.
>
> Continue to believe that if it makes you happy!

https://aquabounty.com/our-salmon

It's called Recirculating Aquaculture Systems. They are sprinkled
about the USA and Canada. AquaBounty is one of the companies. There
are others. The link shows how the technology works. Norway and the
UK are also apparently doing it too. Austrailia as well.

Not all the 'bad' farms are converting but you have a choice. A really
big one is under construction in Ohio.

Bruce wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 18:43:17 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > On 2023-11-11 4:55 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:48:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >>> <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> Mackerel hasn't made it big in America as it has in some places.
> >>>> Mahimahi used to be the fish of choice in Hawaii back in the old
> >>>> days. These days, ahi and shrimp are Kings. I think the Hawaiians
> >>>> are warming up to salmon. I've even purchased some fresh salmon.
> It >>>> was quite tasty and the family seemed to like it.
> > > > >
> >>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cFqEwBuxsjAdcbn29
> > > >
> >>> An advantage of mackerel over salmon is that mackerel is wild
> caught, >>> while most salmon are horribly farmed frankenfish.
> >>
> >> I haven't seen farmed salmon in a bit. You also 'forgot' we have
> some >> very reputable non polluting farms in the USA.
> >
> > Continue to believe that if it makes you happy!
>
> I wonder where she gets her information from :)

I just posted it. They have improved the process. You have them where
you are, you just have to check for what brands are doing that.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 20:16:09 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 18:43:17 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > On 2023-11-11 4:55 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> >> Bruce wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> An advantage of mackerel over salmon is that mackerel is wild
>> >>> caught, while most salmon are horribly farmed frankenfish.
>> >>
>> >> I haven't seen farmed salmon in a bit. You also 'forgot' we have
>> >> some very reputable non polluting farms in the USA.
>> >
>> > Continue to believe that if it makes you happy!
>>
>> I wonder where she gets her information from :)
>
>I just posted it.

I haven't seen that.

> They have improved the process.

Says who? They themselves?

>You have them where you are, you just have to check for what brands are doing that.

Tassal is a big one here and they're terrible.

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:28:19 AM UTC-10, deltahorse wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:17:08 -0800 (PST)
> dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> > > Pacific islander music always seems a bit goody 2 shoe boy scout music
> > > for under the Christmas tree for me, without any rhythm or anything.
> >
> > You're right about that - can't do anything about it. This might be more to your style.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igAKZoEguk
> https://youtu.be/5kwIkF6LFDc

The Maoris are mad as hell. Who can blame them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px25YB0gGrc

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 20:07:24 +0000
"cshenk" <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

> Not all the 'bad' farms are converting but you have a choice. A really
> big one is under construction in Ohio.

The taste profile is diminished vs. wild.

https://www.eatthis.com/farm-raised-wild-caught-salmon-difference/

"Wild-caught salmon lends a more robust salmon flavor and is often a firmer, less fatty fish. Farm-raised salmon is higher in fat, which is immediately noticeable with these visible striations of fat in the filet. It's this fat that allows it to fall apart more easily as you sink your fork into it, and offers a more mild fish flavor.'

Sockeye—Also known as red salmon, Alaska sockeye is one of the most popular salmon species due to its deep red color and rich salmon flavor.
Available: Fresh from mid-May through mid-September and frozen year-round.

On 11/11/2023 10:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 22:21:22 -0500, Michael Trew
> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2023 12:25 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 6:27:22 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree, for the most part. I don't like the modern open concept,
>>>> though. Keep the kitchen doors shut while cooking, and open the
>>>> windows if it's in season.
>>>
>>> Most regions that have two kitchens will be situated in the tropics
>>> or equatorial climes. Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with
>>> it.
>>
>> That, or older Italian settlements. My grandfather had a summer kitchen
>> in his cellar.
>
> You have an Italian grandfather? I thought you were the biggest Anglo
> after Jill and Dave Smith.

My father was adopted. The grandfather I knew was his adopted mother's
second husband. Absolutely no blood correlation. Either way, I don't
know much about dad's side of the family. Adoptions were closed in
those days. Lithuanian and Slovakian on mom's side.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 12:34:14 -0800 (PST)
dsi1 <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:28:19 AM UTC-10, deltahorse wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:17:08 -0800 (PST)
> > dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > Pacific islander music always seems a bit goody 2 shoe boy scout music
> > > > for under the Christmas tree for me, without any rhythm or anything.
> > >
> > > You're right about that - can't do anything about it. This might be more to your style.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igAKZoEguk
> > https://youtu.be/5kwIkF6LFDc
>
> The Maoris are mad as hell. Who can blame them?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px25YB0gGrc

https://youtu.be/Bz0CAn6zHY4

They rape their own.

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 11:11:17 AM UTC-10, deltahorse wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 12:34:14 -0800 (PST)
> dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:28:19 AM UTC-10, deltahorse wrote:
> > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:17:08 -0800 (PST)
> > > dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Pacific islander music always seems a bit goody 2 shoe boy scout music
> > > > > for under the Christmas tree for me, without any rhythm or anything.
> > > >
> > > > You're right about that - can't do anything about it. This might be more to your style.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igAKZoEguk
> > > https://youtu.be/5kwIkF6LFDc
> >
> > The Maoris are mad as hell. Who can blame them?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px25YB0gGrc
> https://youtu.be/Bz0CAn6zHY4
>
> They rape their own.

I love that movie - it's kind of intense.