On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 18:43:33 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:52:54 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:20:15 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>knife?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blaze of gunfire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capacity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>usually on ban lists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>million out there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
>>>>>>>>>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
>>>>>>>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
>>>>>>>>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
>>>>>>>>>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
>>>>>>>>>>>>they bought them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
>>>>>>>>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The 80's?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Who would have figured?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid
>>>>>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the
>>>>>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had
>>>>>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one.
>>>>>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
>>>>>>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment
>>>>>>>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and
>>>>>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
>>>>>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
>>>>>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they
>>>>>>>>are gone".
>>>>>>>>Remember the toilet paper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about
>>>>>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as
>>>>>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder
>>>>>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm
>>>>>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to
>>>>>>>tell him?
>>>>>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't
>>>>>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
>>>>>>>the cannon loophole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15
>>>>>>case.
>>>>>
>>>>>How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
>>>>>The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The
>>>>>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing
>>>>>about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
>>>>
>>>>Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these
>>>>being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
>>>>
>>>>Stop making up crap as you go.
>>>
>>>OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
>>>
>>>I started with this 10 notes ago
>>>"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you
>>>cropped>"
>>>
>>>Eights notes ago I said this
>>>
>>>"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
>>>they bought them."
>>>
>>>That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
>>>
>>>Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a
>>>vacuum.
>>
>>Nope. Go back to your original post:
>>
>>"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
>>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks. "
>>
>>Again, no mention of the 80's.
>
> Did you actually think that started this year? This decade? This
>century?
>
>Maybe you didn't watch the news.

On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 20:18:08 UTC-3, John H wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 18:43:33 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:52:54 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:20:15 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>knife?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blaze of gunfire.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>capacity?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>usually on ban lists.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>million out there,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
> >>>>>>>>>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
> >>>>>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>they bought them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
> >>>>>>>>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>The 80's?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Who would have figured?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the
> >>>>>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had
> >>>>>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one.
> >>>>>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
> >>>>>>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment
> >>>>>>>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and
> >>>>>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
> >>>>>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
> >>>>>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they
> >>>>>>>>are gone".
> >>>>>>>>Remember the toilet paper?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about
> >>>>>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as
> >>>>>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder
> >>>>>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm
> >>>>>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to
> >>>>>>>tell him?
> >>>>>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't
> >>>>>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
> >>>>>>>the cannon loophole.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15
> >>>>>>case.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
> >>>>>The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The
> >>>>>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing
> >>>>>about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these
> >>>>being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
> >>>>
> >>>>Stop making up crap as you go.
> >>>
> >>>OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
> >>>
> >>>I started with this 10 notes ago
> >>>"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
> >>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you
> >>>cropped>"
> >>>
> >>>Eights notes ago I said this
> >>>
> >>>"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
> >>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
> >>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
> >>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
> >>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
> >>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
> >>>they bought them."
> >>>
> >>>That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
> >>>
> >>>Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a
> >>>vacuum.
> >>
> >>Nope. Go back to your original post:
> >>
> >>"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
> >>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
> >>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks. "
> >>
> >>Again, no mention of the 80's.
> >
> > Did you actually think that started this year? This decade? This
> >century?
> >
> >Maybe you didn't watch the news.
> I was simply commenting on your remark. You lost that one.

On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 19:18:05 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 18:43:33 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:52:54 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:20:15 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:06:18 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:42:03 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:50:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:30:26 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:05:56 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:23:27 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:40:12 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:34:28 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 18:04:40 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:52:22 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 06:39:15 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:15:48 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:00:32 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2022 00:13:07 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 02:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe we should quit blaming guns and ask why so many teen suicides? Seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as if the way now is to do a mass shooting and death by cop or do yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>after posting on social media. Even Apple had a podcast on teen suicide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why so many shot in certain cultures in this country every weekend in some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cities? Blaming guns is doing nothing for the problem. Some guy recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>walked in to a hospital and started stabbing doctors and nurses. Blame the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>knife?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is probably just a metaphor for how hopeless some teens feel. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think the only way they will ever get any attention is to go out in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blaze of gunfire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We have desensitized them to death and glorified murder with video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>games and movies. Then you have the Al Gore folks telling them there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is no future anyway. The earth is doomed, the economy sucks and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't see any job they want to do so what the fuck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>End it now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a '
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And anyone who'd been associated with the military in the past 50
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>years. That's a hell of a lot of folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most military folks came away with a "Been there done that" approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to weapons if they were actually exposed to them at all. I understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the army and marines your weapon is your companion for most MOSs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but in the air force, navy or coast guard, few people are actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>handling any small arms. The CG is a bit different these days tho,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since they became cops and not life savers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, but they're much more than a"niche item
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks." All those folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who went to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan have a healthy knowledge of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them. And many of them are buying them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bet, not as many as you think and it is still a very small subset of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the American public. What percentage of adults served in any military
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capacity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very few of them ever actually served in combat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know lots of veterans and ex cops who have no interest in "ugly"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guns. They may hunt or keep a firearm for home protection but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>usually a handgun or a shotgun. Deer hunters may have a nice rifle or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>two but they are not scary looking ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Even my M1A is a traditional walnut stocked rifle. Unfortunately it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>usually on ban lists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regardless. They are much more than a 'niche item'. With about 20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>million out there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>they bought them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>At that time I doubt anyone would have called an AR a sporting rifle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>but once people had them, they adapted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The 80's?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Who would have figured?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Anyone who was actually paying attention. I thought it was a stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>campaign at the time and it took a decade to actually get the
>>>>>>>>>>>legislation they were looking for. By then, the noise around it had
>>>>>>>>>>>actually created a market where there had not really been one.
>>>>>>>>>>>Even the serious collectors were not really interested in AKs or ARs
>>>>>>>>>>>in the early 80s. I did know a guy with an M-60 tho.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Oh. I suppose I wasn't paying enough attention to realize your comment
>>>>>>>>>>referred to something 40 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yup, this assault weapon thing has been 35-40 years in the making and
>>>>>>>>>the impetus was the threat of a ban on something most people never
>>>>>>>>>knew was a thing. The fastest way to sell something in the US is to
>>>>>>>>>say "Hurry, limited time offer", "Close out" or "Get them before they
>>>>>>>>>are gone".
>>>>>>>>>Remember the toilet paper?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That reminds me, there is a thread going on a real "boat" group about
>>>>>>>>cannons. I bet most people do not understand that they are legal as
>>>>>>>>long as they are muzzle loaders. It is the same rule as a black powder
>>>>>>>>pistol or rifle. It can be a little thing you can carry under your arm
>>>>>>>>or something you would need to tow behind a F-350 truck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I know Joe thinks they are illegal. I wonder if someone is going to
>>>>>>>>tell him?
>>>>>>>>https://www.newsweek.com/biden-second-amendment-when-passed-couldnt-buy-cannon-1711480
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Again this is a niche market that nobody talks about and most don't
>>>>>>>>even know about until some old biddy from California wants to close
>>>>>>>>the cannon loophole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In this case, I agree it's a 'niche' market. But not in the AR-15
>>>>>>>case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How many people did you know with an AR in 1980?
>>>>>>The point is, in the 80s, AK/AR type guns were a niche market. The
>>>>>>California girls in congress along with the media, started railing
>>>>>>about a nonexistent "assault rifle" problem and made it a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg, that's fine, but *NOWHERE* in your initial post about these
>>>>>being 'niche' guns did you say anything about the 1980's!
>>>>>
>>>>>Stop making up crap as you go.
>>>>
>>>>OK lets review, just using the quotes above.
>>>>
>>>>I started with this 10 notes ago
>>>>"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
>>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a <where you
>>>>cropped>"
>>>>
>>>>Eights notes ago I said this
>>>>
>>>>"That is certainly true now. I was talking about the 80s when a couple
>>>>of California legislators started making noise about a non-existent
>>>>problem and got the whole thing on the front page. At that time they
>>>>were a niche item with very little visibility to the regular
>>>>sportsman. Once Boxer and Feinstein started talking about bans, people
>>>>did what Americans do when they hear something might not be available,
>>>>they bought them."
>>>>
>>>>That is not exactly changing anything or making anything up.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe you can't think in historic terms and assume things happens in a
>>>>vacuum.
>>>
>>>Nope. Go back to your original post:
>>>
>>>"The ironic thing is if it wasn't for those folks in media and the
>>>movies glamorizing "assault weapons" they would still be a niche item
>>>only really known to a few collectors and gun folks. "
>>>
>>>Again, no mention of the 80's.
>>
>> Did you actually think that started this year? This decade? This
>>century?
>>
>>Maybe you didn't watch the news.
>
>I was simply commenting on your remark. You lost that one.