Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> On 7/2/22 7:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which
>>>>>> may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he
>>>>>> committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>> Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most
>>>>>> worried about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as
>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on
>>>>>> Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President
>>>>>> Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president
>>>>>> against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>> relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's
>>>>>> testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that
>>>>>> hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former
>>>>>> president," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one
>>>>>> real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or
>>>>>> credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And
>>>>>> it is the one that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming
>>>>>> toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that
>>>>>> January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team
>>>>>> player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a
>>>>>> reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages
>>>>>> during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that
>>>>>> people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate
>>>>>> witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>> obstruction of justice."
>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> witch-hunt
>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>> nounhistorical
>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural
>>>> noun: witchhunts
>>>>
>>>>     a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
>>>>     b) informal:  a campaign directed against a person or group
>>>> holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>
>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its
>>>> implication of a search for something that isn't real.  In my mind,
>>>> and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real.  The
>>>> question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.  I'm not
>>>> sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a
>>>> good start.  I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win
>>>> sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>>> amendment)
>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
>>> his base.
>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
>>> present a defense.
>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>
>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>
>>
>>
> I'd love to see Trump convicted of this one:
>
> 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
>
> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or
> insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws
> thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this
> title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and *shall be
> incapable of holding any office under the United States.*
>
> (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII,
> § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
>
>

Can they still prosecute Hanoi Jane?

John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 06:20:06 -0700 (PDT), True North
> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 10:04:30 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
>>>> On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 09:44:35 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:> On
>>>> 7/2/22 7:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: > > On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM,
>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT), > >>
>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On
>>>> Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT), > >>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> >From an op-ed article
>>>>>>>> by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today: > >>>>> > >>>>> It's quite likely that Trump
>>>>>>>> attempted to obstruct justice, which > >>>>> may turn out to be
>>>>>>>> the most serious, and most provable crime he > >>>>> committed
>>>>>>>> according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of > >>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff. > >>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most >
>>>>>>>> >>>>> worried about. > >>>>> > >>>>> He also described a former
>>>>>>>>>>>>> White House aide's Tuesday testimony as > >>>>>
>> "eminently credible." > >>>>> > >>>>> The former acting White House
>> chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on > >>>>> Wednesday that in his view
>> the real threat to former President > >>>>> Donald Trump was evidence
>> that might lead to accusations of > >>>>> obstruction of justice. >
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible." > >>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the former > >>>>> president," Mulvaney wrote. >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing revealed one > >>>>> real threat to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>
>> credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And >
>> >>>>> it is the one that should most worry the former president." >
>>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team > >>>>> player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a > >>>>> reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mulvaney said that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the implication behind displaying the messages > >>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hearing was "crystal clear." > >>>>> > >>>>> "The Jan. 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee members believe they have evidence that > >>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> obstruction of justice." > >>>> What do you want to bet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if Trump said he
>> wasn't running in 2024, this > >>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De
>> Santis may be taking that option away > >>>> from him anyway. > >>> >
>> >>> === > >>> > >>> witch-hunt > >>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/ > >>> nounhistorical
>>>>> > >>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt;
>>>>>>>>> plural > >>> noun: witchhunts > >>> > >>> a) search for and
>>>>>>>>> subsequent persecution of a supposed witch. > >>> b) informal: a
>>>>>>>>> campaign directed against a person or group > >>> holding
>>>>>>>>> unorthodox or unpopular views. > >>> > >>> I take some exception
>>>>>>>>> to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its > >>> implication of a
>>>>>>>>> search for something that isn't real. In my mind, > >>> and the
>>>>>>>>> mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The > >>>
>>>>>>>>> question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm
>>>>>>>>> not > >>> sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024
>>>>>>>>> but that's a > >>> good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique
>>>>>>>>> with the right win > >>> sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so
> that
>> we never > >>> have to deal with his toxic influence again. > >>> > >> >
>> >> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is >
>>>> >> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one >
>>>>>> >> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>>>>>>>> > >> amendment) > >> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters? >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections? > >> I would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> away at > >> his base. > >> I still believe the risks of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to charge this guy over bullshit > >> and the social
>>>>>>>>>>>>> upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024. > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then. > >> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in > >> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with few resources to > >> present a
>> defense. > >> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>> shit who has > >> always been surrounded by lawyers. > > > > Even Biden
>> the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore. > > It's all "Russia,
>> Russia, Russia". > > > > > >> I'd love to see Trump convicted of this
>> one: > > 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection > > Whoever
>> incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or >
>> insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws >
>> thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this >
>> title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and *shall be >
>> incapable of holding any office under the United States.* > > (June 25,
>> 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103?322, title XXXIII, >
>> §?330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)> -- > * I just want to
>> find 11,780 votes... *I wonder if "gives aid or comfort thereto" could
>> apply to the hoard of repugnants who still make excuses for Trumps crimes?
>>>
>>> Do you lie awake at night dreaming up new ways to suck Fat Harry's
>>> arse?
>>> --
>>> lets go Brandon...
>>>
>>>
>>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
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>>
>>
>> SNERK!
>> Knew I was referring to all y'all?
>
> Were you unable to read the question?
>

On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-4, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
> Wrote in message:r
> > On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> > wrote:> >On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT), > >> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT), > >>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today: > >>>>> > >>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.. > >>>>> > >>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about. > >>>>> > >>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible." > >>>>> > >>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible." > >>>>> > >>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president." > >>>>> > >>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear." > >>>>> > >>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice." > >>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this > >>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away > >>>> from him anyway. > >>> > >>> === > >>> > >>> witch-hunt > >>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/ > >>> nounhistorical > >>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts > >>> > >>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch. > >>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views. > >>> > >>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again. > >>> > >> > >> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is > >> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one > >> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th > >> amendment) > >> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters? > >> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections? > >> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by > >> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at > >> his base. > >> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit > >> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the > >> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024. > >> The court would still be hearing motions by then. > >> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in > >> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to > >> present a defense. > >> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has > >> always been surrounded by lawyers. > >> > > > >Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore. > >It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was > pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch > and started a war on Biden's watch.===Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>
> YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING.
> --
> lets go Brandon...

It's worse than I feared. It's all a cartoon in Wayne's head. Too many bilge fumes.

On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice."
>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>
>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>>>> amendment)
>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
>>>> his base.
>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
>>>> present a defense.
>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>
> ===
>
> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
>
> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg

Cute.

It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
private business and well before he ran for and won the
Presidency.

But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
today compared to four years ago?.

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On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 07:00:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:

>On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice."
>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>>>>> amendment)
>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
>>>>> his base.
>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
>>
>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>
>Cute.
>
>It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>private business and well before he ran for and won the
>Presidency.
>
>But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>today compared to four years ago?.

Can't wait for the answer to this one!

On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>
>
> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
> today compared to four years ago?.

Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has
worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with
our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme
Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.

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On 7/3/2022 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>
>>
>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>> today compared to four years ago?.
>

> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has
> worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with
> our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme
> Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.
>
>
>
>

Sorry Harry. It's hard if not impossible to believe any of this
if considered without any bias pro or con about Trump's
personality flaws.

Biden is a joke globally, much as he is domestically, on all accounts.

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On 7/3/22 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> On 7/3/2022 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>
>
>
>> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden
>> has worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our
>> alliances with our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to
>> get the Supreme Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Sorry Harry.  It's hard if not impossible to believe any of this
> if considered without any bias pro or con about Trump's
> personality flaws.
>
> Biden is a joke globally, much as he is domestically, on all accounts.
>
>
You've been paying too much attention to the Trumpsters, and the morons
like Justin, Herring, Bill, et cetera. Except for his fellow despots,
Trump is the laughing stock of the free world, considered an
intellectual cipher, and a criminal.

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On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 08:57:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>
>>
>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>> today compared to four years ago?.
>
>Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has
>worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with
>our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme
>Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.

Frontline (PBS) has a 2 part series about the "great divide" in the
country and they start with Obama. The Obama years really drove in the
wedge and Trump just fueled a fire that was already raging.

You folks seem to want to ignore the overall dissatisfaction out there
in Flyover land and want to believe if you can kill off Trump,
everyone will be happy again.
That is far from reality.
Trump is a symptom, not the root cause.

On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 11:37:53 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 7/3/22 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/3/2022 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden
>>> has worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our
>>> alliances with our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to
>>> get the Supreme Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Harry.  It's hard if not impossible to believe any of this
>> if considered without any bias pro or con about Trump's
>> personality flaws.
>>
>> Biden is a joke globally, much as he is domestically, on all accounts.
>>
>>
>You've been paying too much attention to the Trumpsters, and the morons
>like Justin, Herring, Bill, et cetera. Except for his fellow despots,
>Trump is the laughing stock of the free world, considered an
>intellectual cipher, and a criminal.

Biden is a drooling old man who is stumbling through his presidency,
watching the world burning and having no ideas of what to do.

We have stagflation unseen since the Carter years, The country is
divided and as close civil war as we have been in 165 years. We have
the first major war in Europe since 1945. The rich keep getting richer
and the middle class is getting poorer.

On 7/3/22 1:28 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 08:57:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>
>> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has
>> worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with
>> our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme
>> Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.
>
> Frontline (PBS) has a 2 part series about the "great divide" in the
> country and they start with Obama. The Obama years really drove in the
> wedge and Trump just fueled a fire that was already raging.
>
> You folks seem to want to ignore the overall dissatisfaction out there
> in Flyover land and want to believe if you can kill off Trump,
> everyone will be happy again.
> That is far from reality.
> Trump is a symptom, not the root cause.

Trump is the accelerant. Palin was the match.

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Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> > But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally> today compared to four years ago?.Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

Bydone has done zilch to unifu the country. He's alienated just
about everyone but AOC. He's afraid of that bartender.
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Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
> On 7/3/22 1:28 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 08:57:55 -0400, Keyser Söze> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:> >> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally>>> today compared to four years ago?.>>>> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has>> worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with>> our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme>> Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.> > Frontline (PBS) has a 2 part series about the "great divide" in the> country and they start with Obama. The Obama years really drove in the> wedge and Trump just fueled a fire that was already raging.> > You folks seem to want to ignore the overall dissatisfaction out there> in Flyover land and want to believe if you can kill off Trump,> everyone will be happy again.> That is far from reality.> Trump is a symptom, not the root cause.Trump is the accelerant. Palin was the match.-- * I just want to find 11,780
votes... *

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On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice."
> >>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
> >>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
> >>>>>> from him anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ===
> >>>>>
> >>>>> witch-hunt
> >>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
> >>>>> nounhistorical
> >>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
> >>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
> >>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
> >>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
> >>>> amendment)
> >>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
> >>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
> >>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
> >>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
> >>>> his base.
> >>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
> >>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
> >>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
> >>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
> >>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
> >>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
> >>>> present a defense.
> >>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
> >>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
> >>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
> >> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
> >> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
> >> and started a war on Biden's watch.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
> >
> > https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
> Cute.
>
> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
> private business and well before he ran for and won the
> Presidency.
>
> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
> today compared to four years ago?.
> --

==
The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of blaming it on someone else however. That's his special talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power? That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office. For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their flawed candidate while the ship was burning.

On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 13:43:11 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 7/3/22 1:28 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 08:57:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>
>>> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has
>>> worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with
>>> our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme
>>> Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.
>>
>> Frontline (PBS) has a 2 part series about the "great divide" in the
>> country and they start with Obama. The Obama years really drove in the
>> wedge and Trump just fueled a fire that was already raging.
>>
>> You folks seem to want to ignore the overall dissatisfaction out there
>> in Flyover land and want to believe if you can kill off Trump,
>> everyone will be happy again.
>> That is far from reality.
>> Trump is a symptom, not the root cause.
>
>Trump is the accelerant. Palin was the match.

Biden is a dufus. Kamala is a joke.

"That's not a baby kicking, Karen dear, it's just a fetus!"

On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>> >>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>> >>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice."
>> >>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
>> >>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
>> >>>>>> from him anyway.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ===
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> witch-hunt
>> >>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>> >>>>> nounhistorical
>> >>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
>> >>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
>> >>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
>> >>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>> >>>> amendment)
>> >>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>> >>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>> >>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
>> >>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
>> >>>> his base.
>> >>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
>> >>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
>> >>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>> >>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>> >>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
>> >>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
>> >>>> present a defense.
>> >>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
>> >>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>> >>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>> >> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
>> >> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
>> >> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> > Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
>> >
>> > https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>> Cute.
>>
>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>> Presidency.
>>
>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>> today compared to four years ago?.
>> --
>
>===
>
>The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of blaming it on someone else however. That's his special talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power? That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office. For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their flawed candidate while the ship was burning.

John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice,
>>>>>>>>>> which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable
>>>>>>>>>> crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>> Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony
>>>>>>>>>> as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote
>>>>>>>>>> on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former
>>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to
>>>>>>>>>> accusations of obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former
>>>>>>>>>> president against claims that he did "anything illegal or
>>>>>>>>>> criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly after
>>>>>>>>>> Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that
>>>>>>>>>> hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the
>>>>>>>>>> former president," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one
>>>>>>>>>> real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or
>>>>>>>>>> credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote.
>>>>>>>>>> "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of
>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages
>>>>>>>>>> that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving
>>>>>>>>>> their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a
>>>>>>>>>> "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as
>>>>>>>>>> well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the
>>>>>>>>>> messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that
>>>>>>>>>> people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate
>>>>>>>>>> witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice."
>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt;
>>>>>>>> plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding
>>>>>>>> unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its
>>>>>>>> implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind,
>>>>>>>> and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The
>>>>>>>> question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm
>>>>>>>> not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but
>>>>>>>> that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the
>>>>>>>> right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so
>>>>>>>> that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
>>>>
>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>> Cute.
>>>
>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>> Presidency.
>>>
>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>> --
>>
>> ===
>>
>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with the
>> Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the economy afloat
>> during the Covid crisis but now were paying the price. The same can be
>> said for the global supply chain crisis. Could Trump have done anything
>> about it if still in office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>> good job of blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow an
>> election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power? That is the
>> bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us of how fragile it can be.
>> The vast majority of the electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>> bullshit in the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we can thank
>> the feckless Republican party who stood by their flawed candidate while
>> the ship was burning.
>
> More bullshit, eh Wayne? If it's well known that the Quantitative
> Easing Program planted the seeds of inflation, why the fuck did your
> boy keep spending trillions?
>

On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 4:18:52 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> >> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
> >> >>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
> >> >>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice."
> >> >>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
> >> >>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
> >> >>>>>> from him anyway.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ===
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> witch-hunt
> >> >>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
> >> >>>>> nounhistorical
> >> >>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
> >> >>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
> >> >>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
> >> >>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
> >> >>>> amendment)
> >> >>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
> >> >>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
> >> >>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
> >> >>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
> >> >>>> his base.
> >> >>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
> >> >>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
> >> >>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
> >> >>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
> >> >>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
> >> >>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
> >> >>>> present a defense.
> >> >>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
> >> >>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
> >> >>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
> >> >> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
> >> >> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
> >> >> and started a war on Biden's watch.
> >> >
> >> > ===
> >> >
> >> > Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
> >> >
> >> > https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
> >> Cute.
> >>
> >> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
> >> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
> >> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
> >> private business and well before he ran for and won the
> >> Presidency.
> >>
> >> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
> >> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
> >> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
> >> today compared to four years ago?.
> >> --
> >
> >===
> >
> >The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of blaming it on someone else however. That's his special talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power? That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office. For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
> More bullshit, eh Wayne? If it's well known that the Quantitative
> Easing Program planted the seeds of inflation, why the fuck did your
> boy keep spending trillions?

On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 13:43:11 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 7/3/22 1:28 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 08:57:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>
>>> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has
>>> worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with
>>> our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme
>>> Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.
>>
>> Frontline (PBS) has a 2 part series about the "great divide" in the
>> country and they start with Obama. The Obama years really drove in the
>> wedge and Trump just fueled a fire that was already raging.
>>
>> You folks seem to want to ignore the overall dissatisfaction out there
>> in Flyover land and want to believe if you can kill off Trump,
>> everyone will be happy again.
>> That is far from reality.
>> Trump is a symptom, not the root cause.
>
>Trump is the accelerant. Palin was the match.

You still ignore the fuel, 74 million disgruntled people who think the
government has failed them. The world is full of matches.

On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>> >>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>> >>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice."
>> >>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
>> >>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
>> >>>>>> from him anyway.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ===
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> witch-hunt
>> >>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>> >>>>> nounhistorical
>> >>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
>> >>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
>> >>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
>> >>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>> >>>> amendment)
>> >>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>> >>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>> >>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
>> >>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
>> >>>> his base.
>> >>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
>> >>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
>> >>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>> >>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>> >>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
>> >>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
>> >>>> present a defense.
>> >>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
>> >>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>> >>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>> >> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
>> >> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
>> >> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> > Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
>> >
>> > https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>> Cute.
>>
>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>> Presidency.
>>
>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>> today compared to four years ago?.
>> --
>
>===
>
>The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of blaming it on someone else however. That's his special talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power? That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office. For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their flawed candidate while the ship was burning.

On 7/3/2022 11:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 7/3/22 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/3/2022 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden
>>> has worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our
>>> alliances with our allies. It is going to take years if not decades
>>> to get the Supreme Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Harry.  It's hard if not impossible to believe any of this
>> if considered without any bias pro or con about Trump's
>> personality flaws.
>>
>> Biden is a joke globally, much as he is domestically, on all accounts.
>>
>>
> You've been paying too much attention to the Trumpsters, and the morons
> like Justin, Herring, Bill, et cetera. Except for his fellow despots,
> Trump is the laughing stock of the free world, considered an
> intellectual cipher, and a criminal.
>

My post was really focused on Biden not Trump. Biden is POTUS.
Trump isn't.

The problem with your argument glorifying Biden's
achievements is this:

All of the major polls indicate that over 70% of voters want
an alternative to Biden in 2024. This includes over half of
the registered Democrats and Democrat leaning independents
polled.

If it's any consolation, the polls also indicate voters
don't want Trump either.

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On 7/3/2022 1:35 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 11:37:53 -0400, Keyser Söze
> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/22 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2022 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden
>>>> has worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our
>>>> alliances with our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to
>>>> get the Supreme Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry Harry.  It's hard if not impossible to believe any of this
>>> if considered without any bias pro or con about Trump's
>>> personality flaws.
>>>
>>> Biden is a joke globally, much as he is domestically, on all accounts.
>>>
>>>
>> You've been paying too much attention to the Trumpsters, and the morons
>> like Justin, Herring, Bill, et cetera. Except for his fellow despots,
>> Trump is the laughing stock of the free world, considered an
>> intellectual cipher, and a criminal.
>
> Biden is a drooling old man who is stumbling through his presidency,
> watching the world burning and having no ideas of what to do.
>
> We have stagflation unseen since the Carter years, The country is
> divided and as close civil war as we have been in 165 years. We have
> the first major war in Europe since 1945. The rich keep getting richer
> and the middle class is getting poorer.

It's the Democrat way.

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On 7/3/2022 2:32 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
>> On 7/3/22 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:>> > But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally> today compared to four years ago?.Trump has ramped up the amount of hatred in this country, but Biden has worked to relieve that, and he certainly has improved our alliances with our allies. It is going to take years if not decades to get the Supreme Court back to the middle. The economy is a mixed bag.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
>

> Bydone has done zilch to unifu the country. He's alienated just
> about everyone but AOC. He's afraid of that bartender.

Even AOC has Biden on her shit list for "doing nothing" about
recent Supreme Court decisions. She wants to either impeach
them or do away with the SCOTUS completely.

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On 7/3/2022 3:19 PM, waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice."
>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
>>>
>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>> Cute.
>>
>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>> Presidency.
>>
>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>> today compared to four years ago?.
>> --
>
> ===
>
> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of blaming it on someone else however. That's his special talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power? That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office. For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their flawed candidate while the ship was burning.

I guess where we differ is in the Trump's alleged attempt to overthrow
an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power. I really don't
think that the events of Jan 6th was as serious or threatening to the
the country as the media and the Jan 6 commission is trying to make it
out to be. I also distinctly recall Trump calling for a "peaceful"
demonstration .... not a riot or attempt to take over the government.

On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
> "waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct justice, which may turn out to be the most serious, and most provable crime he committed according to Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the real threat to former President Donald Trump was evidence that might lead to accusations of obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the former president against claims that he did "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty maintaining that position, however, particularly after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things could get very dark for the former president," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing consisting of two messages that January 6 panel witnesses said they received before giving their depositions. The messages included allusions to being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have evidence that people within the Trump operation attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote. "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of justice."
>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking that option away
>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun: witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt" because of its implication of a search for something that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it. I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his cult mystique with the right win sector of the Republican party totally annihilated so that we never have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole exercise is
>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two impeachments, one
>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat on the 14th
>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in the primaries by
>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already chipping away at
>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy over bullshit
>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the risk for the
>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school shooting in
>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few resources to
>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of shit who has
>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point out Russia was
>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during Obama's watch
>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want to upset the balance.
>>>>
>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>> Cute.
>>>
>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>> Presidency.
>>>
>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>> --
>>
>> ===
>>
>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of blaming it on someone else however. That's his special talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power? That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office. For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>