On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
<3452471@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> > On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>> > <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>> >>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> >>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>> >>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>> >>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>> >>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>> >>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>> >>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>> >>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>> >>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> ===
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>> >>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>> >>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>> >>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>> >>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>> >>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>> >>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>> >>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>> >>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>> >>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>> >>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>> >>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>> >>>>>> Po.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>> >>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>> >>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>> >>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>> >>>> 2021, attack.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>> >>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>> >>>> the first place.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>> >>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>> >>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>> >>>> authorization.
>> >>>
>> >>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>> >>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>> >> national guard intervention?
>> >
>> > Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>> > it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>> > Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>> > chain of command.
>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>
>Where is your written, official proof?

On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>
>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>
>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>> the first place.
>>>>
>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>> authorization.
>>>
>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>
>>
>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>> national guard intervention?
>
> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
> chain of command.

On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>
>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>> chain of command.
>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>
>> Where is your written, official proof?
>
> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know who
> to bribe to make their clients happy.

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:01:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>> chain of command.
>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>
>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>
>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know who
>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>
> A claim was made here that Trump made a formal request. I called b.s.
>on that. You agree with me. Enough.

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
<KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>> Po.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>
>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>> 2021, attack.
>>>
>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>> the first place.
>>>
>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>> authorization.
>>
>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>
>
>Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>national guard intervention?

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 20:57:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>
>--
>* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

"That's not a baby kicking, Karen dear, it's just a fetus!"

On 7/8/2022 8:20 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser  Soze wrote:
>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they
>>>>>>>>>>>> *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out
>>>>>>>>>>>> that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this
>>>>>>>>>>> thing until
>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The
>>>>>>>>>>> media largely
>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a
>>>>>>>>>>> GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything
>>>>>>>>>> illegal
>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>> expired.  Let's
>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing.  No one else in the history of this
>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing  a presidential
>>>>>>>>>> election.  The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen
>>>>>>>>>> from him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden.  He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end,
>>>>>>>> Biden
>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find
>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent
>>>>>>> Cap
>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and
>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>
>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially
>>>>> authorizing
>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to
>>>>> do so in
>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting
>>>>> defense
>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>> authorization.
>>>>
>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof.  That's
>>>> your go-to source?
>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>> national guard intervention?
>>
>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>> chain of command.
>
> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>

<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:01:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>>> chain of command.
>>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>>
>>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>>
>>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know who
>>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>>
>> A claim was made here that Trump made a formal request. I called b.s.
>> on that. You agree with me. Enough.
>
> So it sounds like you admit this witch hunt is all about trying to
> blame Trump, not what went wrong on Jan 6.
> Nobody seems to care that a few hundred unarmed yahoos were able to
> breach Capitol security and trash the place. It wasn't even a surprise
> attack. The congressional security people had a month to plan.
> You admit Trump talked about whether they needed 10,000 or 20,000
> national guard troops but the call never came from the only people who
> could ask.
> BTW I still see this as a security problem. The politics are just
> bullshit. Everyone wants to break another Watergate, White Water or
> whatever. They are all crooks
>

On 7/8/2022 9:01 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an
>>>>>>>>>>> end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an
>>>>>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find
>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne
>>>>>>>>> and Harry
>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to
>>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially
>>>>>>>> authorizing
>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the
>>>>>>>> Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority
>>>>>>>> to do so in
>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard
>>>>>>>> troops, not
>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's
>>>>>>> your go-to source?
>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>>> authorized
>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>> chain of command.
>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>
>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>
>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know who
>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>

On 7/9/2022 2:32 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:01:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>>> chain of command.
>>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>>
>>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>>
>>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know who
>>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>>
>> A claim was made here that Trump made a formal request. I called b.s.
>> on that. You agree with me. Enough.
>
> So it sounds like you admit this witch hunt is all about trying to
> blame Trump, not what went wrong on Jan 6.
> Nobody seems to care that a few hundred unarmed yahoos were able to
> breach Capitol security and trash the place. It wasn't even a surprise
> attack. The congressional security people had a month to plan.
> You admit Trump talked about whether they needed 10,000 or 20,000
> national guard troops but the call never came from the only people who
> could ask.
> BTW I still see this as a security problem. The politics are just
> bullshit. Everyone wants to break another Watergate, White Water or
> whatever. They are all crooks

On 7/8/2022 8:43 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 20:20:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>
>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>> chain of command.
>>
>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>
> It wasn't Trumps place to make any request. The Congress has been very
> protective of their turf, creating their own police department and
> taking responsibility for their own security. If Trump had sent the
> DCNG in there without a request from Nancy he would be accused of
> imposing martial law. You would be out if front griping about it.

On 7/9/22 7:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> On 7/8/2022 9:01 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>> On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an
>>>>>>>>>>>> end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an
>>>>>>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find
>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne
>>>>>>>>>> and Harry
>>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to
>>>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially
>>>>>>>>> authorizing
>>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the
>>>>>>>>> Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied
>>>>>>>>> such an
>>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority
>>>>>>>>> to do so in
>>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard
>>>>>>>>> troops, not
>>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a
>>>>>>>>> formal
>>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's
>>>>>>>> your go-to source?
>>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>>>> authorized
>>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>>> chain of command.
>>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>>
>>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>>
>>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know who
>>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>>
>
>
>>   A claim was made here that Trump made a formal request. I called
>> b.s. on that. You agree with me. Enough.
>>
>
> He made a formal offer ... via the DOD.  It was rejected.  It's in a
> documented timeline (log) of events leading up to Jan 6th.
>

On 7/9/22 6:50 AM, John H wrote:

> "That's not a baby kicking, Karen dear, it's just a fetus!"

You right-wing trashmeisters aren't pro-life; you are pro-fetus. Your
idol, Trump, has been tape recorded stating he wanted the Georgia
officials to "find" another 11,000+ votes for him. I hope that results
in one of the indictments against him.

--
* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *