On 2021-08-07 2:08 p.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/7/21 10:46 PM, alister wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 12:49:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/7/21 11:56 AM, Dex wrote:
>>>> On 07/08/2021 09:53, Edmund wrote:
>>>>> On 8/6/21 8:53 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:14:54 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 6:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 9:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 5:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 5:49 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-4, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 7:57 AM, NotTheAlternativeReality wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the current circumstances I must remember to breath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out/cough/sneeze whenever I pass you in the street. And avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you in case you do the same to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget to shout as loud as you can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If in a jam packed street as in Christmas shopping, walking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about in a C19 Mist, then mask wearing outdoors makes sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But at an F1 race paddock with lots of space and fresh air,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Masks only works if there are camera's around, don't you know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVv24qJg99A
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKmW4IIcwBo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> “The further a society drift from the truth,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the more it will hate those who speak it”
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> George Orwell
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mask wearing to stop a microscopic virus is as effective as
>>>>>>>>>>> using a chain-link to stop a mayfly invasion.
>>>>>>>>>>> But they have to control the people...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet another person who lacks anything resembling a clue about how
>>>>>>>>>> masks work...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really, and you are exactly who to be the judge about that?
>>>>>>>>> Here you have another eeeehhhh  "expert"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DXH5zov7f4
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And? What is the context for that answer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fauci's answer? Well het held every possible and opposed answer in
>>>>>>> each and every aspect of covid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another question:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do medical personnel wear masks when performing surgery?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't want to cough bacteria  into the patient open wounds,
>>>>>>> couldn't you think of that yourself?
>>>>>> Congratulations You have just identified why mask wearing in public
>>>>>> is important People may have covid without realising it
>>>>>> (asymptomatic) by wearing a mask it reduces transmission, this only
>>>>>> works if everybody wears a mask
>>>>>
>>>>> Great, apart from you thinking that bacteria and viruses are equal in
>>>>> size ... do you have any proof how effective masks are in protecting
>>>>> against Covid?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The viruses are not free floating like pollen,
>>>
>>> So you have no proof masks do help, OK Do you have any proof that it
>>> doesn't spread via aerosols?
>>>
>>>
>>>> they're embedded in coughs and sneezes.
>>>>
>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Sneeze.JPG
>>>>
>>>> That's what masks are designed to reduce greatly or stop.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I don not wear a mask for the good of my health, I wear it for the
>>>>>> good of YOURS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any proof of that?
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>
>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss information
>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the spread.
>>>
>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all, if you
>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>
>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>
>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>
>> All support wearing masks
>
> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in lower
> infections anywhere in the world.

What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life data".

It didn't take as long to find this as it did to type the sentence
telling you how long it took to find:

"Face masks: what the data say

The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the
coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence
is enough?"

<https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8>

"That was in March. But by July, Benn and her team had worked out how to
possibly provide some needed data on masks, and hopefully help people in
Guinea-Bissau. They distributed thousands of locally produced cloth face
coverings to people as part of a randomized controlled trial that might
be the world’s largest test of masks’ effectiveness against the spread
of COVID-19.

....

More-rigorous analyses added direct evidence. A preprint study4 posted
in early August (and not yet peer reviewed), found that weekly increases
in per-capita mortality were four times lower in places where masks were
the norm or recommended by the government, compared with other regions.
Researchers looked at 200 countries, including Mongolia, which adopted
mask use in January and, as of May, had recorded no deaths related to
COVID-19. Another study5 looked at the effects of US state-government
mandates for mask use in April and May. Researchers estimated that those
reduced the growth of COVID-19 cases by up to 2 percentage points per
day. They cautiously suggest that mandates might have averted as many as
450,000 cases, after controlling for other mitigation measures, such as
physical distancing."

4. Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics,
testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks (Update August 4, 2020)
<https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.22.20109231v5>

5. Community Use Of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural
Experiment Of State Mandates In The US
<https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818>

I control people by wearing a mask in all public situations.

Some are irritated, which is fine by me.
Some suddenly remember that they should be wearing one, which is fine by me.
Some have their spleen and brain burst with libertarian 'ressentiment', which is fine by me.

Whether my mask saves my life is unknowable, but since COVID killed my younger brother a year ago, and he was 10 years younger and 20 years fitter than me, I think 'what-the-hell' and wear my mask.

On 2021-08-07 4:35 p.m., bra wrote:
>
> I control people by wearing a mask in all public situations.
>
> Some are irritated, which is fine by me. Some suddenly remember that
> they should be wearing one, which is fine by me. Some have their
> spleen and brain burst with libertarian 'ressentiment', which is fine
> by me.
>
> Whether my mask saves my life is unknowable, but since COVID killed
> my younger brother a year ago, and he was 10 years younger and 20
> years fitter than me, I think 'what-the-hell' and wear my mask.
>

What's absolutely mind-bogglingly stupid about the anti-maskers is that
it can do them no harm of any kind to do it.

On 8/7/21 11:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-07 2:08 p.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/7/21 10:46 PM, alister wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 12:49:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/7/21 11:56 AM, Dex wrote:
>>>>> On 07/08/2021 09:53, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/6/21 8:53 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:14:54 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 6:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 9:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 5:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 5:49 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-4, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 7:57 AM, NotTheAlternativeReality wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>
>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>> information
>>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the spread.
>>>>
>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all, if you
>>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>>
>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>>
>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>
>>> All support wearing masks
>>
>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in lower
>> infections anywhere in the world.
>
> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life data".

Nope I meant exactly as I said.
Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in infections
after a mask mandate anywhere.
You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over, now
show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
Take your time .....

Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?

You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
Here it is again:

---------
> you mean those totally untested on humans
> ones that are being taken by
> people who wont take the vaccine because it
> has not been thoroughly
> tested?

My question still stands:

What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.

Since you crippled the discussion by selective cutting parts away, here
is the rest of my former post to put it back in perspective.

You:
---------
> & you trust them over the competent &
> medically qualified
--------

Who are you talking about here, Bill Gates, Fauci or pfizer?
I see your news source is MSM only.
>
> Experts are not always correct but if you
> have to take a gambol that is
> the way to place your bet.

Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend you
to start doing the same for a change.
You might be surprised.

Edmund

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 2021-08-08 1:23 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/7/21 11:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-07 2:08 p.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/7/21 10:46 PM, alister wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 12:49:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/7/21 11:56 AM, Dex wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/08/2021 09:53, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 8:53 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:14:54 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 6:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 9:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 5:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 5:49 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-4, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 7:57 AM, NotTheAlternativeReality wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>
>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>> information
>>>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the spread.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all, if you
>>>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>>>
>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>
>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>
>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in lower
>>> infections anywhere in the world.
>>
>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life data".
>
> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in infections
> after a mask mandate anywhere.

You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do you?

> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over, now
> show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
> Take your time .....

I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.

>
> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?

Do you even understand what an aerosol is?

>
> You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
> medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
> Here it is again:
>
> ---------
> > you mean those totally untested on humans
> > ones that are being taken by
> > people who wont take the vaccine because it
> > has not been thoroughly
> > tested?
>
> My question still stands:
>
> What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.

I didn't mention anything about untested medicines.

That's why I snipped it away.

On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-08 1:23 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/7/21 11:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-07 2:08 p.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/21 10:46 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 12:49:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/7/21 11:56 AM, Dex wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07/08/2021 09:53, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 8:53 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:14:54 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 6:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 9:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 5:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 5:49 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-4, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 7:57 AM, NotTheAlternativeReality wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>>
>>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>>> information
>>>>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the spread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all, if you
>>>>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>>>>
>>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>>
>>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>>
>>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in
>>>> lower infections anywhere in the world.
>>>
>>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life
>>> data".
>>
>> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
>> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in infections
>> after a mask mandate anywhere.
>
> You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do you?

Nope there isn't it is perfectly logic sorry if that confuses you.
>
>> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over, now
>> show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
>> Take your time .....
>
> I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.

Opinions and speculations which are not confirmed anywhere in the world
by real life data, so that is why I asked you and that is why you cannot
deliver.
>
>>
>> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
>> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?
>
> Do you even understand what an aerosol is?

Try answering for a change.
>
>>
>> You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
>> medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
>> Here it is again:
>>
>> ---------
>>  > you mean those totally untested on humans
>>  > ones that are being taken by
>>  > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>>  > has not been thoroughly
>>  > tested?
>>
>> My question still stands:
>>
>> What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.
>
> I didn't mention anything about untested medicines.
>
> That's why I snipped it away.

You are an idiot, do you even read what you write? like :
> you mean those totally untested on humans
> ones that are being taken by
> people who wont take the vaccine because it
> has not been thoroughly
> tested?

But since you now deny what you wrote, well that is a lame way to admit
you have no clue what you where talking about.

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:

>
> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend you
> to start doing the same for a change.
> You might be surprised.
>
> Edmund
>

So who's your expert - Trump ?

geoff

In article <seo4ap$1us6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, nomail@hotmail.com says...
> Well actually I listen to both the experts
>

I'm with Geoff. What experts have /you/ been listening to?

--
Alan LeHun

On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>
>>
>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>> You might be surprised.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>
> So who's your expert - Trump ?

Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
doctors who actually cure corona patients,
medics who researched the medication, the treatment and made reports of it.
In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
in your politicized bubble.

>
> geoff

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 8/8/21 2:50 PM, Alan LeHun wrote:
> In article <seo4ap$1us6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, nomail@hotmail.com says...
>> Well actually I listen to both the experts
>>
>
> I'm with Geoff. What experts have /you/ been listening to?

Well Geoff is indeed like you, none of you have ever seen, let alone
read any report.
You just repeating the MSM propaganda.

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 5:08:34 AM UTC-6, Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

> > That's why I snipped it away.

> You are an idiot

x2

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 13:08:27 +0200, Edmund wrote:

> On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-08 1:23 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/7/21 11:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-07 2:08 p.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>> On 8/7/21 10:46 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 12:49:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/7/21 11:56 AM, Dex wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 07/08/2021 09:53, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 8:53 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:14:54 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 6:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 9:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 5:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 5:49 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-4, Edmund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 7:57 AM, NotTheAlternativeReality wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>>>> information "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the
>>>>>>>> spread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all, if
>>>>>>> you thinks there is, show it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-
masks-heres-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>>>
>>>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>>>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in
>>>>> lower infections anywhere in the world.
>>>>
>>>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life
>>>> data".
>>>
>>> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
>>> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in infections
>>> after a mask mandate anywhere.
>>
>> You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do you?
>
> Nope there isn't it is perfectly logic sorry if that confuses you.
>>
>>> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over, now
>>> show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
>>> Take your time .....
>>
>> I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.
>
> Opinions and speculations which are not confirmed anywhere in the world
> by real life data, so that is why I asked you and that is why you cannot
> deliver.
>>
>>
>>> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
>>> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?
>>
>> Do you even understand what an aerosol is?
>
> Try answering for a change.
>>
>>
>>> You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
>>> medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
>>> Here it is again:
>>>
>>> ---------
>>>  > you mean those totally untested on humans ones that are being
>>>  > taken by people who wont take the vaccine because it has not been
>>>  > thoroughly tested?
>>>
>>> My question still stands:
>>>
>>> What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.
>>
>> I didn't mention anything about untested medicines.
>>
>> That's why I snipped it away.
>
> You are an idiot, do you even read what you write? like :
> > you mean those totally untested on humans ones that are being taken
> > by people who wont take the vaccine because it has not been
> > thoroughly tested?
>
> But since you now deny what you wrote, well that is a lame way to admit
> you have no clue what you where talking about.

That was me

I was referring to recent reports that anti-vaxers are now taking horse
worming tablets (I thought it was a spoof but id does seem to be being
reported by reputable agencies)

If the quality of the "research" you undertake is such that you cannot
even identify the source of a post then the case is conclusively closed

--
Just pick up the phone and give modem connect sounds. "Well you said we
should get more lines so we don't have voice lines."

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:51:21 +0200, Edmund wrote:

> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>> You might be surprised.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>>
>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>
> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
> medics who researched the medication, the treatment and made reports of
> it.
> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
> in your politicized bubble.
>
>
>> geoff

Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
community at large
2)Trumps' Favourite Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being caused by
demons & witches.

--
Give me a Plumber's friend the size of the Pittsburgh dome, and a place
to stand, and I will drain the world.

On 8/8/21 5:25 PM, alister wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:51:21 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>
>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>
>>>> Edmund
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>
>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>> medics who researched the medication, the treatment and made reports of
>> it.
>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
>> in your politicized bubble.
>>
>>
>>> geoff
>
> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
> community at large

Sure, now show me that study.
Oh, you don't have one.

> 2)Trumps' Favourite Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being caused by
> demons & witches.

Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her patients
and explain why her patients didn't die.
Take your time...

Edmund

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 8/8/21 5:16 PM, alister wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 13:08:27 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>
>> On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-08 1:23 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/21 11:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-07 2:08 p.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/7/21 10:46 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 12:49:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/7/21 11:56 AM, Dex wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 07/08/2021 09:53, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 8:53 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:14:54 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 6:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 9:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 5:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-06 5:49 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-4, Edmund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/21 7:57 AM, NotTheAlternativeReality wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>>>>> information "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the
>>>>>>>>> spread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all, if
>>>>>>>> you thinks there is, show it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-
> masks-heres-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>>>>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in
>>>>>> lower infections anywhere in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life
>>>>> data".
>>>>
>>>> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
>>>> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in infections
>>>> after a mask mandate anywhere.
>>>
>>> You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do you?
>>
>> Nope there isn't it is perfectly logic sorry if that confuses you.
>>>
>>>> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over, now
>>>> show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
>>>> Take your time .....
>>>
>>> I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.
>>
>> Opinions and speculations which are not confirmed anywhere in the world
>> by real life data, so that is why I asked you and that is why you cannot
>> deliver.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
>>>> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?
>>>
>>> Do you even understand what an aerosol is?
>>
>> Try answering for a change.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
>>>> medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
>>>> Here it is again:
>>>>
>>>> ---------
>>>>  > you mean those totally untested on humans ones that are being
>>>>  > taken by people who wont take the vaccine because it has not been
>>>>  > thoroughly tested?
>>>>
>>>> My question still stands:
>>>>
>>>> What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.
>>>
>>> I didn't mention anything about untested medicines.
>>>
>>> That's why I snipped it away.
>>
>> You are an idiot, do you even read what you write? like :
>> > you mean those totally untested on humans ones that are being taken
>> > by people who wont take the vaccine because it has not been
>> > thoroughly tested?
>>
>> But since you now deny what you wrote, well that is a lame way to admit
>> you have no clue what you where talking about.
>
> That was me
>
> I was referring to recent reports that anti-vaxers are now taking horse
> worming tablets (I thought it was a spoof but id does seem to be being
> reported by reputable agencies)

Oh really and that is all you found! Nothing about the 100+ studies with
double blind randomized peer reviewed among them who without exception
show the efficacy of Ivermectin?
>
> If the quality of the "research" you undertake is such that you cannot
> even identify the source of a post then the case is conclusively closed

Looking ate your own research, you are the very last to be the judge
about that.
Never mind that is of no importance at all who exactly wrote what, it is
about the message itself.
Calling a medicine that is used for decades by by millions, "untested"
is as absurd as it gets.
Oh in the mean time the corrupt WHO has changed their 'advise" about
ivermectin, now it is allowed to cure corona patients with it so no need
for sick patients to use veterinary medication anymore.

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 2021-08-08 4:08 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the spread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all, if you
>>>>>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>>>
>>>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>>>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in
>>>>> lower infections anywhere in the world.
>>>>
>>>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life
>>>> data".
>>>
>>> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
>>> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in
>>> infections after a mask mandate anywhere.
>>
>> You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do you?
>
> Nope there isn't it is perfectly logic sorry if that confuses you.

>>
>>> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over, now
>>> show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
>>> Take your time .....
>>
>> I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.
>
> Opinions and speculations which are not confirmed anywhere in the world
> by real life data, so that is why I asked you and that is why you cannot
> deliver.

Nope. There is DATA there.

>>
>>>
>>> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
>>> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?
>>
>> Do you even understand what an aerosol is?
>
> Try answering for a change.

Sure. Right after you provide a spontaneous definition of aerosol.

:-)

>>
>>>
>>> You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
>>> medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
>>> Here it is again:
>>>
>>> ---------
>>>  > you mean those totally untested on humans
>>>  > ones that are being taken by
>>>  > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>>>  > has not been thoroughly
>>>  > tested?
>>>
>>> My question still stands:
>>>
>>> What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.
>>
>> I didn't mention anything about untested medicines.
>>
>> That's why I snipped it away.
>
> You are an idiot, do you even read what you write? like :
>   > you mean those totally untested on humans
>   > ones that are being taken by
>   > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>   > has not been thoroughly
>   > tested?

I didn't write a word of that. Alister did.

>
> But since you now deny what you wrote, well that is a lame way to admit
> you have  no clue what you where talking about.

It's not my fault that you're not bright enough or observant enough to
figure out who wrote what.

On 2021-08-08 5:51 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>> You might be surprised.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>
>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>
> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a

No... ...he wasn't.

> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
> doctors who actually cure corona patients,

Names, please. Sources

> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made reports of
> it.

Great. Provide some sources.

> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
> in your politicized bubble.
I'm betting you come back with absolutely nothing.

On 2021-08-08 5:55 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 2:50 PM, Alan LeHun wrote:
>> In article <seo4ap$1us6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, nomail@hotmail.com says...
>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts
>>>
>>
>> I'm with Geoff. What experts have /you/ been listening to?
>
> Well Geoff is indeed like you, none of you have ever seen, let alone
> read any report.

What reports have you read?

Cites, please.

> You just repeating the MSM propaganda.
>
>
>
>

On 2021-08-08 8:41 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 5:25 PM, alister wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:51:21 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>>>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>
>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made reports of
>>> it.
>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
>>> in your politicized bubble.
>>>
>>>
>>>> geoff
>>
>> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
>> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
>> community at large
>
> Sure, now show me that study.
> Oh, you don't have one.

Not that you ever produce anything when you're asked, but:

'Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19'
<https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19>

More? Okay!

'Treating COVID-19 patients with CQ/HCQ did not decrease mortality. even
it was increased if AZM was added. Besides, CQ/HCQ alone or in
combination with AZM increased the duration of hospital stay. Overall
virological cure rate and that on days 4, 10, or 14 were not affected by
receiving HCQ.'
<https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x#Sec47>

'Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in
Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19

Key Points
Question Does treatment with hydroxychloroquine improve clinical
outcomes of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Findings In this randomized clinical trial that included 479
hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the
distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a
7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for patients
randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with placebo (adjusted
odds ratio, 1.02).

Meaning These findings do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine for
treatment of COVID-19 among hospitalized adults.'
<https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922>

That's just the National Institutes of Health, Nature, and the Journal
of the America Medical Association.

What have you got?

>
>> 2)Trumps'  Favourite  Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being caused by
>> demons & witches.
>
> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her patients
> and explain why her patients didn't die.

Why don't you first show that she actually cured anyone.
> Take your time...

On 2021-08-08 9:04 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> But since you now deny what you wrote, well that is a lame way to admit
>>> you have  no clue what you where talking about.
>>
>> That was me
>>
>> I was referring to recent reports that anti-vaxers are now taking horse
>> worming tablets (I thought it was a spoof but id does seem to be being
>> reported by reputable agencies)
>
> Oh really and that is all you found! Nothing about the 100+ studies with
> double blind randomized peer reviewed among them who without exception
> show the efficacy of Ivermectin?

Show them.

Show at least one.

>>
>> If the quality of the "research" you undertake is such that you cannot
>> even identify the source of a post then the case is conclusively closed
>
> Looking ate your own research, you are the very last to be the judge
> about that.
> Never mind that is of no importance at all who exactly wrote what, it is
> about the message itself.
> Calling a medicine that is used for decades by  by millions, "untested"
> is as absurd as it gets.
> Oh in the mean time the corrupt WHO has changed their 'advise" about
> ivermectin, now it is allowed to cure corona patients with it so no need
> for sick patients  to use veterinary medication anymore.

Cites, please!

On 8/8/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-08 4:08 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the spread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all, if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>>>>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in
>>>>>> lower infections anywhere in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life
>>>>> data".
>>>>
>>>> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
>>>> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in
>>>> infections after a mask mandate anywhere.
>>>
>>> You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do you?
>>
>> Nope there isn't it is perfectly logic sorry if that confuses you.
>
>>>
>>>> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over,
>>>> now show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
>>>> Take your time .....
>>>
>>> I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.
>>
>> Opinions and speculations which are not confirmed anywhere in the
>> world by real life data, so that is why I asked you and that is why
>> you cannot deliver.
>
> Nope. There is DATA there.

There? Show it!

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
>>>> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?
>>>
>>> Do you even understand what an aerosol is?
>>
>> Try answering for a change.
>
> Sure. Right after you provide a spontaneous definition of aerosol.
>
> :-)

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
>>>> medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
>>>> Here it is again:
>>>>
>>>> ---------
>>>>  > you mean those totally untested on humans
>>>>  > ones that are being taken by
>>>>  > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>>>>  > has not been thoroughly
>>>>  > tested?
>>>>
>>>> My question still stands:
>>>>
>>>> What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.
>>>
>>> I didn't mention anything about untested medicines.
>>>
>>> That's why I snipped it away.
>>
>> You are an idiot, do you even read what you write? like :
>>    > you mean those totally untested on humans
>>    > ones that are being taken by
>>    > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>>    > has not been thoroughly
>>    > tested?
>
> I didn't write a word of that. Alister did.

He said so, so sorry for addesing that to you.
>
>>
>> But since you now deny what you wrote, well that is a lame way to
>> admit you have  no clue what you where talking about.
>
> It's not my fault that you're not bright enough or observant enough to
> figure out who wrote what.

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 2021-08-08 11:02 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-08 4:08 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and frequently,
>>>>>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the
>>>>>>>>>> spread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all,
>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>>>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>>>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>>>>>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in
>>>>>>> lower infections anywhere in the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real life
>>>>>> data".
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
>>>>> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in
>>>>> infections after a mask mandate anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do you?
>>>
>>> Nope there isn't it is perfectly logic sorry if that confuses you.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over,
>>>>> now show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
>>>>> Take your time .....
>>>>
>>>> I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.
>>>
>>> Opinions and speculations which are not confirmed anywhere in the
>>> world by real life data, so that is why I asked you and that is why
>>> you cannot deliver.
>>
>> Nope. There is DATA there.
>
> There? Show it!

I did. You chose to declare scientific studies, "opinions and
speculations" rather than even read them.

>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
>>>>> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?
>>>>
>>>> Do you even understand what an aerosol is?
>>>
>>> Try answering for a change.
>>
>> Sure. Right after you provide a spontaneous definition of aerosol.
>>
>> :-)
>

Can't manage that, can you?

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
>>>>> medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
>>>>> Here it is again:
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------
>>>>>  > you mean those totally untested on humans
>>>>>  > ones that are being taken by
>>>>>  > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>>>>>  > has not been thoroughly
>>>>>  > tested?
>>>>>
>>>>> My question still stands:
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't mention anything about untested medicines.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I snipped it away.
>>>
>>> You are an idiot, do you even read what you write? like :
>>>    > you mean those totally untested on humans
>>>    > ones that are being taken by
>>>    > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>>>    > has not been thoroughly
>>>    > tested?
>>
>> I didn't write a word of that. Alister did.
>
> He said so, so sorry for addesing that to you.

Don't be sorry. Be better.

On 8/8/21 7:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-08 8:41 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 5:25 PM, alister wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:51:21 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>>>>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>
>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>> reports of
>>>> it.
>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
>>>> in your politicized bubble.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
>>> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
>>> community at large
>>
>> Sure, now show me that study.
>> Oh, you don't have one.
>
> Not that you ever produce anything when you're asked, but:
>
> 'Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19'
> <https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19>

Ok first, this is no study, this is a story/ evaluation. So there you go.
Do you want to try again?

The other problem is that Hydroxychloroquine is working only the prevent
covid to avenge into a serious disease.
It is of no use in patients with advanced illness and damaged lungs.
>
>
> More? Okay!
>
> 'Treating COVID-19 patients with CQ/HCQ did not decrease mortality. even
> it was increased   if AZM was added. Besides, CQ/HCQ alone or in
> combination with AZM increased the duration of hospital stay. Overall
> virological cure rate and that on days 4, 10, or 14 were not affected by
> receiving HCQ.'
> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x#Sec47>

Again no study.

>
> 'Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in
> Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19
>
> Key Points
> Question  Does treatment with hydroxychloroquine improve clinical
> outcomes of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?
>
> Findings  In this randomized clinical trial that included 479
> hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the
> distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a
> 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for patients
> randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with placebo (adjusted
> odds ratio, 1.02).
>
> Meaning  These findings do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine for
> treatment of COVID-19 among hospitalized adults.'
> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922>
>
> That's just the National Institutes of Health, Nature, and the Journal
> of the America Medical Association.
>
> What have you got?

Well so far you have exactly nothing.
No study, just meta studies and evaluations about hospitalized patients
who left to die with Tylenol until they where too sick to be saved.
>
>>
>>> 2)Trumps'  Favourite  Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>>> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being caused by
>>> demons & witches.
>>
>> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her patients
>> and explain why her patients didn't die.
>
> Why don't you first show that she actually cured anyone.
>> Take your time...

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 2021-08-08 11:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 7:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-08 8:41 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/8/21 5:25 PM, alister wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:51:21 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>>>>>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>>> reports of
>>>>> it.
>>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
>>>>> in your politicized bubble.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
>>>> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
>>>> community at large
>>>
>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>
>> Not that you ever produce anything when you're asked, but:
>>
>> 'Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19'
>> <https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19>
>
>
> Ok first, this is no study, this is a story/ evaluation. So there you go.
> Do you want to try again?
>
> The other problem is that Hydroxychloroquine is working only the prevent
> covid to avenge into a serious disease.
> It is of no use in patients with advanced illness and damaged lungs.
>>
>>
>> More? Okay!
>>
>> 'Treating COVID-19 patients with CQ/HCQ did not decrease mortality.
>> even it was increased   if AZM was added. Besides, CQ/HCQ alone or in
>> combination with AZM increased the duration of hospital stay. Overall
>> virological cure rate and that on days 4, 10, or 14 were not affected
>> by receiving HCQ.'
>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x#Sec47>
>
> Again no study.

That was explicitly a study of studies.

>
>>
>> 'Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in
>> Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19
>>
>> Key Points
>> Question  Does treatment with hydroxychloroquine improve clinical
>> outcomes of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?
>>
>> Findings  In this randomized clinical trial that included 479
>> hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the
>> distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a
>> 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for patients
>> randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with placebo
>> (adjusted odds ratio, 1.02).
>>
>> Meaning  These findings do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine
>> for treatment of COVID-19 among hospitalized adults.'
>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922>
>>
>> That's just the National Institutes of Health, Nature, and the Journal
>> of the America Medical Association.
>>
>> What have you got?
>
> Well so far you have exactly nothing.
> No study, just meta studies and evaluations about hospitalized patients
> who left to die with Tylenol until they where too sick to be saved.

Funny you don't actually say "No study" about that last one...

>>
>>>
>>>> 2)Trumps'  Favourite  Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>>>> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being caused by
>>>> demons & witches.
>>>
>>> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her
>>> patients and explain why her patients didn't die.
>>
>> Why don't you first show that she actually cured anyone.

Well?

On 8/8/21 7:38 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-08 5:51 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>
>>>> Edmund
>>>>
>>>
>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>
>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>
> No... ...he wasn't.

Wll motivated sir oh wait no nothing.
>
>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>
> Names, please. Sources
Dr Zelenko US
Dr Elens netherlands
>
>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made reports
>> of it.
>
> Great. Provide some sources.

try the FLCCC
Dr Borody
Dr Kory
>
>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
>> in your politicized bubble.
> I'm betting you come back with absolutely nothing.

Really, how much?

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