On 2021-08-09 9:23 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/9/21 5:21 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-09 1:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/8/21 11:04 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That is no study Sir Tim
>>>
>>
>>  From there:
>>
>> <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>
>>
>>
>> That page lists EIGHT (8) studies.
>>
>>
>> You lose.
>
> So you still cannot find one study and show it. Got it!

How are those 8 studies not studies in your mind?

On 8/11/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-09 9:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>> Well? We're all waiting.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
>>>> It is not disputed that she cured her patients,
>>>
>>> I am disputing it.
>>>
>>> Please present your evidence.
>>
>> Why, just because -like I told you-, you cannot provide a study that
>> shows HCQ doesn't work?
>
> I showed you EIGHT.

Nope you showed NONE

>
> <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>

Of course you don't read or understand it, but even in your post with
this summary of studies... It shows they administered a huge overdose of
HCQ in patients after they let became very sick before OD'ing them.

See the link I gave Sir Tim

>
>>
>> Did you check the sources I named?
>> ( don't answer it is a rhetorical question)
>
> I don't go hunting, Edmund.
>
> If you have SPECIFIC information to provide...

repeat it over and over but you never in your life have seen or read any
study.
Meta studies without mentioning how they killed patients on purpose and
summaries are not a studies..
>
> ...then you get to provide it along with the link to review it.

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 2021-08-11 10:56 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/11/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-09 9:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>> Well? We're all waiting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
>>>>> It is not disputed that she cured her patients,
>>>>
>>>> I am disputing it.
>>>>
>>>> Please present your evidence.
>>>
>>> Why, just because -like I told you-, you cannot provide a study that
>>> shows HCQ doesn't work?
>>
>> I showed you EIGHT.
>
> Nope you showed NONE

Now you're just lying.

>
>>
>> <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>
>
> Of course you don't read or understand it, but even in your post with
> this summary of studies... It shows they administered a huge overdose of
> HCQ in patients after they let became very sick before OD'ing  them.

Really? Give me the precise quote from that page where it says that.

>
> See the link I gave Sir Tim
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Did you check the sources I named?
>>> ( don't answer it is a rhetorical question)
>>
>> I don't go hunting, Edmund.
>>
>> If you have SPECIFIC information to provide...
>
> repeat it over and over but you never in your life have seen or read any
> study.

Since you're implying you have, why won't you name this study you've
supposedly read?

Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> On 2021-08-09 1:45 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 11:04 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
>>> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine (snip)
>>>
>>> “In a large randomized controlled platform trial of hospitalized patients
>>> in the United Kingdom (RECOVERY), hydroxychloroquine did not decrease
>>> 28-day mortality when compared to the usual standard of care. Patients
>>> who
>>> were randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine had a longer median
>>> hospital
>>> stay than those who received the standard of care. In addition, among
>>> patients who were not on invasive mechanical ventilation at the time of
>>> randomization, those who received hydroxychloroquine were more likely to
>>> subsequently require intubation or die during hospitalization than those
>>> who received the standard of care.”
>>>
>>> https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> This again is NO study, it is someone telling about a study. But let me
>> enlighten you, there are at least 3 studies that showed negative
>> outcomes for Hydroxychloroquine.
>
>
>
> But it does lead to a whole TABLE of different studies that have been done:
>
> <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>
>
> 1. 'Solidarity Trial: Hydroxychloroquine in Hospitalized Patients With
> COVID-1920'
>
> Result: 'No significant difference in in-hospital mortality;'
>
> 2. 'PETAL Trial: Hydroxychloroquine in Hospitalized Patients With
> COVID-1921'
>
> Result: 'No difference'
>
> 3. 'RECOVERY Trial'
>
> Result: 'Patients who received HCQ and who were not on IMV at baseline
> had an increased risk of requiring intubation and an increased risk of
> death.'
>
> 4. 'Hydroxychloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine Plus Azithromycin for Mild
> or Moderate COVID-19'
>
> Result: 'No significant differences in secondary outcomes'
>
> 5. 'Hydroxychloroquine in Nonhospitalized Adults With Early COVID-19'
>
> 6. 'Hydroxychloroquine in Nonhospitalized Adults With Mild COVID-19'
>
> 7. 'Observational Study on Hydroxychloroquine With or Without Azithromycin'
>
> 8. 'Observational Study of Hydroxychloroquine Versus No
> Hydroxychloroquine in New York City'
>
> Not a single one of those studies showed HCQ to be of any benefit.
>
>>
>> One is the one you mention the (1)RECOVERY trial done by a former
>> respectable organization.
>> Another the (2)"SOLIDARITY trial" by another corrupted organization
>> and another one (3)( forgot the name ) which was done by a previous none
>> existing organization that suddenly appeared, it  did a huge study, got
>> it peer reviewed in less the no time an got it immediately publicized in
>> a former respectable medical magazine " The Lancet".
>
> So when the studies say things you don't want to believe the
> organizations involved are suddenly no longer "respectable"
>
+1

--
Sir Tim

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:22:12 AM UTC-6, Sir Tim wrote:

> +1

fuck you

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 1:56:54 PM UTC-4, Edmund wrote:
> On 8/11/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > On 2021-08-09 9:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> >>>>> Well? We're all waiting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
> >>>> It is not disputed that she cured her patients,
> >>>
> >>> I am disputing it.
> >>>
> >>> Please present your evidence.
> >>
> >> Why, just because -like I told you-, you cannot provide a study that
> >> shows HCQ doesn't work?
> >
> > I showed you EIGHT.
>
> Nope you showed NONE
>
> >
> > <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>
>
> Of course you don't read or understand it, but even in your post with
> this summary of studies... It shows they administered a huge overdose of
> HCQ in patients after they let became very sick before OD'ing them.
>
> See the link I gave Sir Tim
>
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> Did you check the sources I named?
> >> ( don't answer it is a rhetorical question)
> >
> > I don't go hunting, Edmund.
> >
> > If you have SPECIFIC information to provide...
>
> repeat it over and over but you never in your life have seen or read any
> study.
> Meta studies without mentioning how they killed patients on purpose and
> summaries are not a studies..
> >
> > ...then you get to provide it along with the link to review it.
>
>
> --
> “The further a society drift from the truth,
> the more it will hate those who speak it”
>
> George Orwell
Wow, this thread has staying power!
One thing that never helps a situation like this is when governors don't practice what they preach.
I'll just leave this link to a story from last year, Calif. Gov. Gavin Newsom going out for a party at a Napa Valley restaurant while many Golden Staters were locked down:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-03/skelton-edd-inmate-unemployment-fraud-scandal-french-laundry-embarassment

Dan

On 2021-08-12 7:39 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 1:56:54 PM UTC-4, Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/11/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-09 9:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>> Well? We're all waiting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
>>>>>> It is not disputed that she cured her patients,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am disputing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please present your evidence.
>>>>
>>>> Why, just because -like I told you-, you cannot provide a study that
>>>> shows HCQ doesn't work?
>>>
>>> I showed you EIGHT.
>>
>> Nope you showed NONE
>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>
>>
>> Of course you don't read or understand it, but even in your post with
>> this summary of studies... It shows they administered a huge overdose of
>> HCQ in patients after they let became very sick before OD'ing them.
>>
>> See the link I gave Sir Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you check the sources I named?
>>>> ( don't answer it is a rhetorical question)
>>>
>>> I don't go hunting, Edmund.
>>>
>>> If you have SPECIFIC information to provide...
>>
>> repeat it over and over but you never in your life have seen or read any
>> study.
>> Meta studies without mentioning how they killed patients on purpose and
>> summaries are not a studies..
>>>
>>> ...then you get to provide it along with the link to review it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> “The further a society drift from the truth,
>> the more it will hate those who speak it”
>>
>> George Orwell
> Wow, this thread has staying power!
> One thing that never helps a situation like this is when governors don't practice what they preach.
> I'll just leave this link to a story from last year, Calif. Gov. Gavin Newsom going out for a party at a Napa Valley restaurant while many Golden Staters were locked down:
> https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-03/skelton-edd-inmate-unemployment-fraud-scandal-french-laundry-embarassment
>
> Dan
>

And Ted Cruz opposes mask mandates for public schools in Texas...

....while sending his kids to a private school...

....that requires masks for everyone.

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 8:55:03 AM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> Ted Cruz

get a life
you stupid cunt

On 8/11/21 9:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-11 10:56 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/11/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-09 9:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>> Well? We're all waiting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
>>>>>> It is not disputed that she cured her patients,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am disputing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please present your evidence.
>>>>
>>>> Why, just because -like I told you-, you cannot provide a study that
>>>> shows HCQ doesn't work?
>>>
>>> I showed you EIGHT.
>>
>> Nope you showed NONE
>
> Now you're just lying.
>
>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>
>>
>> Of course you don't read or understand it, but even in your post with
>> this summary of studies... It shows they administered a huge overdose
>> of HCQ in patients after they let became very sick before OD'ing  them.
>
> Really? Give me the precise quote from that page where it says that.

I am really done with you.
I already told you to look at the link I gave to Sir Tim, you didn't.
I told you you haven't read a study, and you are now confirming you
didn't even read the summery that you posted yourself.
Have a nice day

>
>>
>> See the link I gave Sir Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you check the sources I named?
>>>> ( don't answer it is a rhetorical question)
>>>
>>> I don't go hunting, Edmund.
>>>
>>> If you have SPECIFIC information to provide...
>>
>> repeat it over and over but you never in your life have seen or read
>> any study.
>
> Since you're implying you have, why won't you name this study you've
> supposedly read?

The last thing to you, I have read the Zelenko study to name one.

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 2021-08-14 1:19 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/11/21 9:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-11 10:56 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/11/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-09 9:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well? We're all waiting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
>>>>>>> It is not disputed that she cured her patients,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am disputing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please present your evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why, just because -like I told you-, you cannot provide a study
>>>>> that shows HCQ doesn't work?
>>>>
>>>> I showed you EIGHT.
>>>
>>> Nope you showed NONE
>>
>> Now you're just lying.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>
>>>
>>> Of course you don't read or understand it, but even in your post with
>>> this summary of studies... It shows they administered a huge overdose
>>> of HCQ in patients after they let became very sick before OD'ing  them.
>>
>> Really? Give me the precise quote from that page where it says that.
>
> I am really done with you.

Of course you are.

Right at the time when you're asked to produce actual facts to back up
your bullshit.

> I already told you to look at the link I gave to Sir Tim, you didn't.
> I told you you haven't read a study, and you are now confirming you
> didn't even read the summery that you posted yourself.

Quote the part that says they overdosed anyone.

> Have a nice day
>
>>
>>>
>>> See the link I gave Sir Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you check the sources I named?
>>>>> ( don't answer it is a rhetorical question)
>>>>
>>>> I don't go hunting, Edmund.
>>>>
>>>> If you have SPECIFIC information to provide...
>>>
>>> repeat it over and over but you never in your life have seen or read
>>> any study.
>>
>> Since you're implying you have, why won't you name this study you've
>> supposedly read?
>
> The last thing to you, I have read the Zelenko study to name one.

But won't supply a link to it...

....or even the text you claim supports your position...

....or even its title.

Got it.

Alan LeHun <try@reply.to> writes:
> In article <seotv9$17e5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, nomail@hotmail.com says...
>> > 2)Trumps' Favourite Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>> > Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being caused by
>> > demons & witches.
>>
>> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her patients
>> and explain why her patients didn't die.
>> Take your time...
>
> She also claims that the White House is run by Aliens and that
> scientists are trying to develop a vaccine to stop people from seeing
> the light of God. The claim that miscarriages are caused by receiving
> demon seed by having sex with demons in your dreams gives you some idea
> of this womans scientific credibility. She used to live in Louisiana but
> moved to Texas to avoid malpractice litigation.

And that alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that
scientists are working on a vaccine to prevent people from being
religious.

> Tell me, Edmund, from where did you hear that Stella Immanuel had
> 'cured' her patients? It wasn't from Stella Immanuel was it?

She's not all bad, in fact she's a boon to skeptics and those clearer of
thought - the best thing that Stella Immanuel ever did for us was to
enable sane people to detect nuts very quickly indeed. Unfortunately, we
already knew Edmund was nuts, so she's been no nett benefit in this
single case, but she's infinitely reusable.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have
gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:57:54 AM UTC-6, Phil Carmody wrote:
> Alan LeHun <t...@reply.to> writes:
> > In article <seotv9$17e5$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, nom...@hotmail.com says...
> >> > 2)Trumps' Favourite Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
> >> > Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being caused by
> >> > demons & witches.
> >>
> >> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her patients
> >> and explain why her patients didn't die.
> >> Take your time...
> >
> > She also claims that the White House is run by Aliens and that
> > scientists are trying to develop a vaccine to stop people from seeing
> > the light of God. The claim that miscarriages are caused by receiving
> > demon seed by having sex with demons in your dreams gives you some idea
> > of this womans scientific credibility. She used to live in Louisiana but
> > moved to Texas to avoid malpractice litigation.
>
> And that alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that
> scientists are working on a vaccine to prevent people from being
> religious.
>
> > Tell me, Edmund, from where did you hear that Stella Immanuel had
> > 'cured' her patients? It wasn't from Stella Immanuel was it?
>
> She's not all bad, in fact she's a boon to skeptics and those clearer of
> thought - the best thing that Stella Immanuel ever did for us was to
> enable sane people to detect nuts very quickly indeed. Unfortunately, we
> already knew Edmund was nuts, so she's been no nett benefit in this
> single case, but she's infinitely reusable.

you fool