On 8/8/21 8:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-08 11:02 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-08 4:08 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>> On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and
>>>>>>>>>>>> frequently,
>>>>>>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the
>>>>>>>>>>> spread.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all,
>>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>>>>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>>>>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove anything.
>>>>>>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in
>>>>>>>> lower infections anywhere in the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real
>>>>>>> life data".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
>>>>>> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in
>>>>>> infections after a mask mandate anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do
>>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> Nope there isn't it is perfectly logic sorry if that confuses you.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over,
>>>>>> now show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
>>>>>> Take your time .....
>>>>>
>>>>> I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.
>>>>
>>>> Opinions and speculations which are not confirmed anywhere in the
>>>> world by real life data, so that is why I asked you and that is why
>>>> you cannot deliver.
>>>
>>> Nope. There is DATA there.
>>
>> There? Show it!
>
> I did. You chose to declare scientific studies, "opinions and
> speculations" rather than even read them.

You didn't.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
>>>>>> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you even understand what an aerosol is?
>>>>
>>>> Try answering for a change.
>>>
>>> Sure. Right after you provide a spontaneous definition of aerosol.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>
> Can't manage that, can you?
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to have an opinion and know about mysterious UNTESTED
>>>>>> medication but again you don't specify, you just cut it away.
>>>>>> Here it is again:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>  > you mean those totally untested on humans
>>>>>>  > ones that are being taken by
>>>>>>  > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>>>>>>  > has not been thoroughly
>>>>>>  > tested?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question still stands:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are you talking about, what untested medication might that be?.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't mention anything about untested medicines.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why I snipped it away.
>>>>
>>>> You are an idiot, do you even read what you write? like :
>>>>    > you mean those totally untested on humans
>>>>    > ones that are being taken by
>>>>    > people who wont take the vaccine because it
>>>>    > has not been thoroughly
>>>>    > tested?
>>>
>>> I didn't write a word of that. Alister did.
>>
>> He said so, so sorry for addesing that to you.
>
> Don't be sorry. Be better.

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 8/8/21 8:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-08 11:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 7:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-08 8:41 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>> On 8/8/21 5:25 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:51:21 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can
>>>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>>>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>>>> reports of
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> in your politicized bubble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
>>>>> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
>>>>> community at large
>>>>
>>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>>
>>> Not that you ever produce anything when you're asked, but:
>>>
>>> 'Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19'
>>> <https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok first, this is no study, this is a story/ evaluation. So there you go.
>> Do you want to try again?
>>
>> The other problem is that Hydroxychloroquine is working only the
>> prevent covid to avenge into a serious disease.
>> It is of no use in patients with advanced illness and damaged lungs.
>>>
>>>
>>> More? Okay!
>>>
>>> 'Treating COVID-19 patients with CQ/HCQ did not decrease mortality.
>>> even it was increased   if AZM was added. Besides, CQ/HCQ alone or in
>>> combination with AZM increased the duration of hospital stay. Overall
>>> virological cure rate and that on days 4, 10, or 14 were not affected
>>> by receiving HCQ.'
>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x#Sec47>
>>
>> Again no study.
>
> That was explicitly a study of studies.

Not even that, and I asked for a study for a reason.
Show me a study and I show you what is wrong with it. Again, you do
not have a study.
All you have is propaganda.
>
>>
>>>
>>> 'Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in
>>> Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19
>>>
>>> Key Points
>>> Question  Does treatment with hydroxychloroquine improve clinical
>>> outcomes of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019
>>> (COVID-19)?
>>>
>>> Findings  In this randomized clinical trial that included 479
>>> hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the
>>> distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a
>>> 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for
>>> patients randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with
>>> placebo (adjusted odds ratio, 1.02).
>>>
>>> Meaning  These findings do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine
>>> for treatment of COVID-19 among hospitalized adults.'
>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922>
>>>
>>> That's just the National Institutes of Health, Nature, and the
>>> Journal of the America Medical Association.
>>>
>>> What have you got?
>>
>> Well so far you have exactly nothing.
>> No study, just meta studies and evaluations about hospitalized
>> patients who left to die with Tylenol until they where too sick to be
>> saved.
>
> Funny you don't actually say "No study" about that last one...
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2)Trumps'  Favourite  Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>>>>> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being
>>>>> caused by
>>>>> demons & witches.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her
>>>> patients and explain why her patients didn't die.
>>>
>>> Why don't you first show that she actually cured anyone.
>
> Well?

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 2021-08-08 11:31 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 7:38 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-08 5:51 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can
>>>>> recommend you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>
>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>>
>> No... ...he wasn't.
>
> Wll motivated sir oh wait no nothing.

Would you like to try that response again, but in English.

>>
>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>
>> Names, please. Sources
> Dr Zelenko US
> Dr Elens netherlands

Those are not sources.

Please provide specific studies with the links to them.

That IS the standard you demanded of others, right?

>>
>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made reports
>>> of it.
>>
>> Great. Provide some sources.
>
> try the FLCCC
> Dr Borody
> Dr Kory

Those are not sources.

Please provide specific studies with the links to them.

That IS the standard you demanded of others, right?

>>
>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard
>>> about in your politicized bubble.
>> I'm betting you come back with absolutely nothing.
>
> Really, how much?

I've already won.

On 2021-08-08 11:34 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 8:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-08 11:02 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/8/21 7:36 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-08 4:08 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>> On 8/8/21 12:22 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW I -THINK!!!- masks might help in both ways a tiny little
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neglectable bit when used and disposed correctly and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something   nobody does.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this much unfortunately is true & the constant stream of miss
>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>> "Mask don't work" only makes the problem worse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No one thing will stop the spread, stuff like wearing masks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> handwashing and wiping down surfaces all help mitigate the
>>>>>>>>>>>> spread.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no indication in data that Masks do anything at all,
>>>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>>>> thinks there is, show it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/
>>>>>>>>>> PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All support wearing masks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All use tremendous long texts, meaning none of them prove
>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>> IFAIK there is no real life data where mask wearing resulted in
>>>>>>>>> lower infections anywhere in the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What you mean is "I've carefully avoided LOOKING for any real
>>>>>>>> life data".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope I meant exactly as I said.
>>>>>>> Real Life data never showed even the slightest reduction in
>>>>>>> infections after a mask mandate anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't even realize the contradiction in what you just said, do
>>>>>> you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope there isn't it is perfectly logic sorry if that confuses you.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can circle back all day and repeat your mantra over and over,
>>>>>>> now show me where infections reduced after a mask mandate.
>>>>>>> Take your time .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I gave you two scientific papers on the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> Opinions and speculations which are not confirmed anywhere in the
>>>>> world by real life data, so that is why I asked you and that is why
>>>>> you cannot deliver.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. There is DATA there.
>>>
>>> There? Show it!
>>
>> I did. You chose to declare scientific studies, "opinions and
>> speculations" rather than even read them.
>
> You didn't.

No, I really did.

>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now since your conveniently "forgot" to answer my question :
>>>>>>> Do you have any proof that it doesn't spread via aerosols?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you even understand what an aerosol is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Try answering for a change.
>>>>
>>>> Sure. Right after you provide a spontaneous definition of aerosol.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>
>> Can't manage that, can you?

Still can't, huh?

On 2021-08-08 11:39 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 8:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-08 11:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/8/21 7:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-08 8:41 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>> On 8/8/21 5:25 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:51:21 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can
>>>>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>>>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and
>>>>>>> knows a
>>>>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>>>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>>>>> reports of
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> in your politicized bubble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
>>>>>> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
>>>>>> community at large
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>>>
>>>> Not that you ever produce anything when you're asked, but:
>>>>
>>>> 'Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19'
>>>> <https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok first, this is no study, this is a story/ evaluation. So there you
>>> go.
>>> Do you want to try again?
>>>
>>> The other problem is that Hydroxychloroquine is working only the
>>> prevent covid to avenge into a serious disease.
>>> It is of no use in patients with advanced illness and damaged lungs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More? Okay!
>>>>
>>>> 'Treating COVID-19 patients with CQ/HCQ did not decrease mortality.
>>>> even it was increased   if AZM was added. Besides, CQ/HCQ alone or
>>>> in combination with AZM increased the duration of hospital stay.
>>>> Overall virological cure rate and that on days 4, 10, or 14 were not
>>>> affected by receiving HCQ.'
>>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x#Sec47>
>>>
>>> Again no study.
>>
>> That was explicitly a study of studies.
>
> Not even that, and I asked for a study for a reason.
> Show me a study and I show you what is wrong    with it. Again, you do
> not have a study.
> All you have is propaganda.

"No true Scotsman": look it up.

>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in
>>>> Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19
>>>>
>>>> Key Points
>>>> Question  Does treatment with hydroxychloroquine improve clinical
>>>> outcomes of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019
>>>> (COVID-19)?
>>>>
>>>> Findings  In this randomized clinical trial that included 479
>>>> hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the
>>>> distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a
>>>> 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for
>>>> patients randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with
>>>> placebo (adjusted odds ratio, 1.02).
>>>>
>>>> Meaning  These findings do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine
>>>> for treatment of COVID-19 among hospitalized adults.'
>>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922>
>>>>
>>>> That's just the National Institutes of Health, Nature, and the
>>>> Journal of the America Medical Association.
>>>>
>>>> What have you got?
>>>
>>> Well so far you have exactly nothing.
>>> No study, just meta studies and evaluations about hospitalized
>>> patients who left to die with Tylenol until they where too sick to be
>>> saved.
>>
>> Funny you don't actually say "No study" about that last one...

Right? :-)

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2)Trumps'  Favourite  Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>>>>>> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being
>>>>>> caused by
>>>>>> demons & witches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her
>>>>> patients and explain why her patients didn't die.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you first show that she actually cured anyone.
>>
>> Well?

Well? We're all waiting.

:-)

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 11:08:37 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> I didn't write a word of that. Alister did.
>>
>> He said so, so sorry for addesing that to you.
>
> Don't be sorry. Be better.

A bit unfair Alan he did actual offer an apology, as you said Be Better

I have given up with Edmund, he has demonstrated that he does not want to
even consider any argument that disproves his favourite conspiracy
theories no mater how ludicrous which considering his posting history
should be no supprise

Don't argue with a fool, they will simply drag you down to their level
then beat you with experience.
(he will probably even consider that a victory)

--
lp1 on fire
-- One of the more obfuscated kernel messages

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 1:58:24 PM UTC-6, alister wrote:

> Don't argue with a fool, they will simply drag you down to their level
> then beat you with experience.
> (he will probably even consider that a victory)

did alan pass edmund the torch?

Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine (snip)

“In a large randomized controlled platform trial of hospitalized patients
in the United Kingdom (RECOVERY), hydroxychloroquine did not decrease
28-day mortality when compared to the usual standard of care. Patients who
were randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine had a longer median hospital
stay than those who received the standard of care. In addition, among
patients who were not on invasive mechanical ventilation at the time of
randomization, those who received hydroxychloroquine were more likely to
subsequently require intubation or die during hospitalization than those
who received the standard of care.”

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

--
Sir Tim

Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Sure, now show me that study.
> Oh, you don't have one.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

--
Sir Tim

On 08/08/2021 12:23, geoff wrote:
> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>
>>
>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>> You might be surprised.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>
> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>
> geoff

When he mentioned Bill Gates and Pfizer you just know.

On 9/08/2021 12:51 am, Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>> You might be surprised.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>
>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>
> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine

Um, really ?

> and knows a
> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made reports of
> it.

Bullshit. A tiny minority of medics with 'other' agendas and delusional
predispositions.

> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
> in your politicized bubble.

Do you seriously suggest Trump knows more than the dumbest fuck in the
street about anything (other than how to blow his parents' billions) ?

geoff

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 4:51:51 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:
> On 9/08/2021 12:51 am, Edmund wrote:
> > On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
> >> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can recommend
> >>> you to start doing the same for a change.
> >>> You might be surprised.
> >>>
> >>> Edmund
> >>>
> >>
> >> So who's your expert - Trump ?
> >
> > Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine
> Um, really ?
> > and knows a
> > whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
> > doctors who actually cure corona patients,
> > medics who researched the medication, the treatment and made reports of
> > it.
> Bullshit. A tiny minority of medics with 'other' agendas and delusional
> predispositions.
> > In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard about
> > in your politicized bubble.
> Do you seriously suggest Trump knows more than the dumbest fuck in the
> street about anything (other than how to blow his parents' billions) ?
>
> geoff

Hey ass licker.
Got anything related to f1?
You made it through aids.
Be fucking happy.

Masks:
1. The typical blue surgical masks collect droplets exhaled.
UK transport surveys found that at major rail stations there was no C19 on surfaces.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/227473/covid-19-sampling-study-finds-trace-virus/
French research found that washing disposable masks is effective and can increase filtration efficiency.
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Disposable-masks-can-be-reused-and-washed-up-to-10-times-says-French-group-UFC-Que-Choisir
These masks are worn largely to protect others. A significant proportion of C19 infections are asymptomatic, so their exhalation of infectious droplets is collected by a mask.

2. FFP3/N95 masks also provide protection to the wearer against inhaling aerosol C19 particles. Cambridge UK hospital study found that FFP3 masks reduced ward staff infections..
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/upgrading-ppe-for-staff-working-on-covid-19-wards-cut-hospital-acquired-infections-dramatically
These masks protect the wearer and others.

None of Chump's remedies work. I hope some supporters have tried injecting or drinking bleach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCe8Pq_RUA
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some-americans-are-tragically-still-drinking-bleach-as-a-coronavirus-cure/?sh=440ce566748d

I guess these naysayers also don't fly on a jet aircraft as they can't see an Orville and Wright propeller.

On 8/8/21 8:50 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-08 11:39 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 8:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-08 11:20 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>> On 8/8/21 7:44 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-08 8:41 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/8/21 5:25 PM, alister wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:51:21 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can
>>>>>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>>>>>> you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>>>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and
>>>>>>>> knows a
>>>>>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>>>>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>>>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>>>>>> reports of
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> in your politicized bubble.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
>>>>>>> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
>>>>>>> community at large
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>>>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that you ever produce anything when you're asked, but:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with
>>>>> COVID-19'
>>>>> <https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok first, this is no study, this is a story/ evaluation. So there
>>>> you go.
>>>> Do you want to try again?
>>>>
>>>> The other problem is that Hydroxychloroquine is working only the
>>>> prevent covid to avenge into a serious disease.
>>>> It is of no use in patients with advanced illness and damaged lungs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More? Okay!
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Treating COVID-19 patients with CQ/HCQ did not decrease mortality.
>>>>> even it was increased   if AZM was added. Besides, CQ/HCQ alone or
>>>>> in combination with AZM increased the duration of hospital stay.
>>>>> Overall virological cure rate and that on days 4, 10, or 14 were
>>>>> not affected by receiving HCQ.'
>>>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x#Sec47>
>>>>
>>>> Again no study.
>>>
>>> That was explicitly a study of studies.
>>
>> Not even that, and I asked for a study for a reason.
>> Show me a study and I show you what is wrong    with it. Again, you do
>> not have a study.
>> All you have is propaganda.
>
> "No true Scotsman": look it up.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in
>>>>> Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19
>>>>>
>>>>> Key Points
>>>>> Question  Does treatment with hydroxychloroquine improve clinical
>>>>> outcomes of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019
>>>>> (COVID-19)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Findings  In this randomized clinical trial that included 479
>>>>> hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the
>>>>> distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a
>>>>> 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for
>>>>> patients randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with
>>>>> placebo (adjusted odds ratio, 1.02).
>>>>>
>>>>> Meaning  These findings do not support the use of
>>>>> hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 among hospitalized
>>>>> adults.'
>>>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just the National Institutes of Health, Nature, and the
>>>>> Journal of the America Medical Association.
>>>>>
>>>>> What have you got?
>>>>
>>>> Well so far you have exactly nothing.
>>>> No study, just meta studies and evaluations about hospitalized
>>>> patients who left to die with Tylenol until they where too sick to
>>>> be saved.
>>>
>>> Funny you don't actually say "No study" about that last one...
>
> Right? :-)
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2)Trumps'  Favourite  Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>>>>>>> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being
>>>>>>> caused by
>>>>>>> demons & witches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her
>>>>>> patients and explain why her patients didn't die.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you first show that she actually cured anyone.
>>>
>>> Well?
>
> Well? We're all waiting.
>
> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
It is not disputed that she cured her patients,
that is why - the farma maffia- ridiculed her
superstition before they went to a building to worship some almighty
sorcerer themselves...

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 8/8/21 8:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-08 11:31 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 7:38 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-08 5:51 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can
>>>>>> recommend you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>
>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>>>
>>> No... ...he wasn't.
>>
>> Wll motivated sir oh wait no nothing.
>
> Would you like to try that response again, but in English.
>
>>>
>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>
>>> Names, please. Sources
>> Dr Zelenko US
>> Dr Elens netherlands
>
> Those are not sources.
>
> Please provide specific studies with the links to them.
>
> That IS the standard you demanded of others, right?
>
>>>
>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>> reports of it.
>>>
>>> Great. Provide some sources.
>>
>> try the FLCCC
>> Dr Borody
>> Dr Kory
>
> Those are not sources.
>
> Please provide specific studies with the links to them.

You did not provide any study, now you want me to dig up such info for you?
What does Google tell you with the given terms, did they already deleted
is completely or don't you like what you find?
>
> That IS the standard you demanded of others, right?
>
>>>
>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard
>>>> about in your politicized bubble.
>>> I'm betting you come back with absolutely nothing.
>>
>> Really, how much?
>
> I've already won.

That makes how much exactly?

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 8/8/21 11:04 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, now show me that study.
>> Oh, you don't have one.
>
> https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/
>
>
That is no study Sir Tim

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 8/8/21 11:04 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine (snip)
>
> “In a large randomized controlled platform trial of hospitalized patients
> in the United Kingdom (RECOVERY), hydroxychloroquine did not decrease
> 28-day mortality when compared to the usual standard of care. Patients who
> were randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine had a longer median hospital
> stay than those who received the standard of care. In addition, among
> patients who were not on invasive mechanical ventilation at the time of
> randomization, those who received hydroxychloroquine were more likely to
> subsequently require intubation or die during hospitalization than those
> who received the standard of care.”
>
> https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/
>
>
This again is NO study, it is someone telling about a study. But let me
enlighten you, there are at least 3 studies that showed negative
outcomes for Hydroxychloroquine.

One is the one you mention the (1)RECOVERY trial done by a former
respectable organization.
Another the (2)"SOLIDARITY trial" by another corrupted organization
and another one (3)( forgot the name ) which was done by a previous none
existing organization that suddenly appeared, it did a huge study, got
it peer reviewed in less the no time an got it immediately publicized in
a former respectable medical magazine " The Lancet".

The 1 and 2 studies both are designed to KILL the patients by first let
them suffer and when the patients are near death, kill them by
administer them a huge overdose hydroxychloroquine.
That worked, some patients died!
I am sure you think I make this up.
So here you have ONE still existing link.
Watch is while it is still online

https://www.francesoir.fr/politique-monde/oxford-recovery-et-solidarity-overdosage-two-clinical-trials-acts-considered

The number 3 was entirely fraudulent and, by a unknown new company....
But since it was demonizing cures for Covid, it got peer reviewed AND
published is The Lancet in no time!
The Lancet had much their embarrassment to retract that publication.

The MSM told you all about that "study" but nothing about that is was
made up and is retracted from the lancet.

Edmund

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 9/08/2021 5:31 pm, NotTheAlternativeReality wrote:
> Masks:
> 1. The typical blue surgical masks collect droplets exhaled.
> UK transport surveys found that at major rail stations there was no C19 on surfaces.
> https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/227473/covid-19-sampling-study-finds-trace-virus/
> French research found that washing disposable masks is effective and can increase filtration efficiency.
> https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Disposable-masks-can-be-reused-and-washed-up-to-10-times-says-French-group-UFC-Que-Choisir
> These masks are worn largely to protect others. A significant proportion of C19 infections are asymptomatic, so their exhalation of infectious droplets is collected by a mask.
>
> 2. FFP3/N95 masks also provide protection to the wearer against inhaling aerosol C19 particles. Cambridge UK hospital study found that FFP3 masks reduced ward staff infections..
> https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/upgrading-ppe-for-staff-working-on-covid-19-wards-cut-hospital-acquired-infections-dramatically
> These masks protect the wearer and others.
>
> None of Chump's remedies work. I hope some supporters have tried injecting or drinking bleach.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCe8Pq_RUA
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some-americans-are-tragically-still-drinking-bleach-as-a-coronavirus-cure/?sh=440ce566748d
>
> I guess these naysayers also don't fly on a jet aircraft as they can't see an Orville and Wright propeller.

Off for my second (Pfizer) jab tomorrow. Luckily here in NZ there's no need to wear masks at the
moment as we haven't had community transmission for a while <touches wood as there's a scare at a
port currently>. They are required / supplied at the vaccination facilities however so I'll wear
one tomorrow. It's no skin off my nose.

I'm pro-mask and pro-vaccination... Pro-science really. Crazy world, up until a few years ago I
never thought there'd ever be need for me to say that. It's not like science is a belief or
religion, it's based on provable facts.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

On 9/08/2021 8:35 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 9/08/2021 5:31 pm, NotTheAlternativeReality wrote:
>> Masks:
>> 1.  The typical blue surgical masks collect droplets exhaled.
>> UK transport surveys found that at major rail stations there was no
>> C19 on surfaces.
>> https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/227473/covid-19-sampling-study-finds-trace-virus/
>>
>> French research found that washing disposable masks is effective and
>> can increase filtration efficiency.
>> https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Disposable-masks-can-be-reused-and-washed-up-to-10-times-says-French-group-UFC-Que-Choisir
>>
>> These masks are worn largely to protect others.  A significant
>> proportion of C19 infections are asymptomatic, so their exhalation of
>> infectious droplets is collected by a mask.
>>
>> 2.  FFP3/N95 masks also provide protection to the wearer against
>> inhaling aerosol C19 particles. Cambridge UK hospital study found that
>> FFP3 masks reduced ward staff infections..
>> https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/upgrading-ppe-for-staff-working-on-covid-19-wards-cut-hospital-acquired-infections-dramatically
>>
>> These masks protect the wearer and others.
>>
>> None of Chump's remedies work. I hope some supporters have tried
>> injecting or drinking bleach.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCe8Pq_RUA
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some-americans-are-tragically-still-drinking-bleach-as-a-coronavirus-cure/?sh=440ce566748d
>>
>>
>> I guess these naysayers also don't fly on a jet aircraft as they can't
>> see an Orville and Wright propeller.
>
> Off for my second (Pfizer) jab tomorrow. Luckily here in NZ there's no
> need to wear masks at the moment as we haven't had community
> transmission for a while <touches wood as there's a scare at a port
> currently>. They are required / supplied at the vaccination facilities
> however so I'll wear one tomorrow. It's no skin off my nose.
>
> I'm pro-mask and pro-vaccination... Pro-science really. Crazy world, up
> until a few years ago I never thought there'd ever be need for me to say
> that. It's not like science is a belief or religion, it's based on
> provable facts.

Glad to hear that you at least are pro science

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupid-meet-the-growing-group-that-rejects-germ-theory/

On 2021-08-09 1:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and
>>>>>>>>> knows a
>>>>>>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>>>>>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>>>>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>>>>>>> reports of
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever
>>>>>>>>> heard about
>>>>>>>>> in your politicized bubble.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
>>>>>>>> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
>>>>>>>> community at large
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>>>>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that you ever produce anything when you're asked, but:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with
>>>>>> COVID-19'
>>>>>> <https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok first, this is no study, this is a story/ evaluation. So there
>>>>> you go.
>>>>> Do you want to try again?
>>>>>
>>>>> The other problem is that Hydroxychloroquine is working only the
>>>>> prevent covid to avenge into a serious disease.
>>>>> It is of no use in patients with advanced illness and damaged lungs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More? Okay!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Treating COVID-19 patients with CQ/HCQ did not decrease
>>>>>> mortality. even it was increased   if AZM was added. Besides,
>>>>>> CQ/HCQ alone or in combination with AZM increased the duration of
>>>>>> hospital stay. Overall virological cure rate and that on days 4,
>>>>>> 10, or 14 were not affected by receiving HCQ.'
>>>>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x#Sec47>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again no study.
>>>>
>>>> That was explicitly a study of studies.
>>>
>>> Not even that, and I asked for a study for a reason.
>>> Show me a study and I show you what is wrong    with it. Again, you
>>> do not have a study.
>>> All you have is propaganda.
>>
>> "No true Scotsman": look it up.

Well?

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in
>>>>>> Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Key Points
>>>>>> Question  Does treatment with hydroxychloroquine improve clinical
>>>>>> outcomes of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019
>>>>>> (COVID-19)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Findings  In this randomized clinical trial that included 479
>>>>>> hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the
>>>>>> distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a
>>>>>> 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for
>>>>>> patients randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with
>>>>>> placebo (adjusted odds ratio, 1.02).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meaning  These findings do not support the use of
>>>>>> hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 among hospitalized
>>>>>> adults.'
>>>>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's just the National Institutes of Health, Nature, and the
>>>>>> Journal of the America Medical Association.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What have you got?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well so far you have exactly nothing.
>>>>> No study, just meta studies and evaluations about hospitalized
>>>>> patients who left to die with Tylenol until they where too sick to
>>>>> be saved.
>>>>
>>>> Funny you don't actually say "No study" about that last one...
>>
>> Right? :-)

Well?

>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2)Trumps'  Favourite  Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>>>>>>>> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being
>>>>>>>> caused by
>>>>>>>> demons & witches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her
>>>>>>> patients and explain why her patients didn't die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you first show that she actually cured anyone.
>>>>
>>>> Well?
>>
>> Well? We're all waiting.
>>
>> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
> It is not disputed that she cured her patients,

I am disputing it.

Please present your evidence.

> that is why - the farma maffia- ridiculed her
> superstition before they went to a building to worship some almighty
> sorcerer themselves...
>
>

On 2021-08-09 1:17 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 8:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-08 11:31 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>> On 8/8/21 7:38 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-08 5:51 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>>>>> On 8/8/21 1:23 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/08/2021 8:23 pm, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well actually I listen to both the experts and data, I can
>>>>>>> recommend you to start doing the same for a change.
>>>>>>> You might be surprised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edmund
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and knows a
>>>>
>>>> No... ...he wasn't.
>>>
>>> Wll motivated sir oh wait no nothing.
>>
>> Would you like to try that response again, but in English.

I guess that was too much for you.

>>
>>>>
>>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about are
>>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>>
>>>> Names, please. Sources
>>> Dr Zelenko US
>>> Dr Elens netherlands
>>
>> Those are not sources.
>>
>> Please provide specific studies with the links to them.
>>
>> That IS the standard you demanded of others, right?

Well?

>>
>>>>
>>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>>> reports of it.
>>>>
>>>> Great. Provide some sources.
>>>
>>> try the FLCCC
>>> Dr Borody
>>> Dr Kory
>>
>> Those are not sources.
>>
>> Please provide specific studies with the links to them.
>
> You did not provide any study, now you want me to dig up such info for you?
> What does Google tell you with the given terms, did they already deleted
> is completely or don't you like what you find?

I did provide studies. You just claimed I didn't.

>>
>> That IS the standard you demanded of others, right?
>>
>>>>
>>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever heard
>>>>> about in your politicized bubble.
>>>> I'm betting you come back with absolutely nothing.
>>>
>>> Really, how much?
>>
>> I've already won.
>
> That makes how much exactly?

I don't really care.

On 2021-08-09 1:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 8/8/21 11:04 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
>> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>
>> https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/
>>
>>
>>
> That is no study Sir Tim
>

From there:

<https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>

That page lists EIGHT (8) studies.

You lose.

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 9:21:13 AM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

> You lose.

your parents lost

On 8/9/21 5:13 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-09 1:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>> So who's your expert - Trump ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well although Trump was right with the hydroxychloroquine and
>>>>>>>>>> knows a
>>>>>>>>>> whole lot more about it then you, no, the experts I talk about
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> doctors who actually cure corona patients,
>>>>>>>>>> medics who researched the medication,  the treatment and made
>>>>>>>>>> reports of
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> In other words absolutely nothing you like to know or ever
>>>>>>>>>> heard about
>>>>>>>>>> in your politicized bubble.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow, how to loose any remaining credibility in one post.
>>>>>>>>> 1) hrdroxychloroquine has been totally discredited by the medical
>>>>>>>>> community at large
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>>>>>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not that you ever produce anything when you're asked, but:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with
>>>>>>> COVID-19'
>>>>>>> <https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok first, this is no study, this is a story/ evaluation. So there
>>>>>> you go.
>>>>>> Do you want to try again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other problem is that Hydroxychloroquine is working only the
>>>>>> prevent covid to avenge into a serious disease.
>>>>>> It is of no use in patients with advanced illness and damaged lungs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More? Okay!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Treating COVID-19 patients with CQ/HCQ did not decrease
>>>>>>> mortality. even it was increased   if AZM was added. Besides,
>>>>>>> CQ/HCQ alone or in combination with AZM increased the duration of
>>>>>>> hospital stay. Overall virological cure rate and that on days 4,
>>>>>>> 10, or 14 were not affected by receiving HCQ.'
>>>>>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x#Sec47>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again no study.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was explicitly a study of studies.
>>>>
>>>> Not even that, and I asked for a study for a reason.
>>>> Show me a study and I show you what is wrong    with it. Again, you
>>>> do not have a study.
>>>> All you have is propaganda.
>>>
>>> "No true Scotsman": look it up.
>
> Well?
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Effect of Hydroxychloroquine on Clinical Status at 14 Days in
>>>>>>> Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Key Points
>>>>>>> Question  Does treatment with hydroxychloroquine improve clinical
>>>>>>> outcomes of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019
>>>>>>> (COVID-19)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Findings  In this randomized clinical trial that included 479
>>>>>>> hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the
>>>>>>> distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using
>>>>>>> a 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for
>>>>>>> patients randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with
>>>>>>> placebo (adjusted odds ratio, 1.02).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meaning  These findings do not support the use of
>>>>>>> hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 among hospitalized
>>>>>>> adults.'
>>>>>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's just the National Institutes of Health, Nature, and the
>>>>>>> Journal of the America Medical Association.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What have you got?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well so far you have exactly nothing.
>>>>>> No study, just meta studies and evaluations about hospitalized
>>>>>> patients who left to die with Tylenol until they where too sick to
>>>>>> be saved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny you don't actually say "No study" about that last one...
>>>
>>> Right? :-)
>
> Well?
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2)Trumps'  Favourite  Dr & proponent of hydroxycloroquine (Stella
>>>>>>>>> Immanuel) has also made claims about medical conditions being
>>>>>>>>> caused by
>>>>>>>>> demons & witches.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why don't you show her or us what she did wrong in curing her
>>>>>>>> patients and explain why her patients didn't die.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you first show that she actually cured anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well?
>>>
>>> Well? We're all waiting.
>>>
>>> :-)Sure you are happy with your nonsense
>> It is not disputed that she cured her patients,
>
> I am disputing it.
>
> Please present your evidence.

Why, just because -like I told you-, you cannot provide a study that
shows HCQ doesn't work?

Did you check the sources I named?
( don't answer it is a rhetorical question)

>
>> that is why - the farma maffia- ridiculed her
>> superstition before they went to a building to worship some almighty
>> sorcerer themselves...
>>
>>
>

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On 8/9/21 5:21 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-09 1:18 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>> On 8/8/21 11:04 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
>>> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure, now show me that study.
>>>> Oh, you don't have one.
>>>
>>> https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That is no study Sir Tim
>>
>
> From there:
>
> <https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/>
>
>
> That page lists EIGHT (8) studies.
>
>
> You lose.

So you still cannot find one study and show it. Got it!

Edmund

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell