Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
> > > > >
> >
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
> > > > made-human-error/
> > > >
> > > > I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
> > > > is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
> > > > still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
> > > safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
> > > account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
> > > SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
> > > F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
> > > conditions...'
> > >
> > > Straight from the actual report.
> > >
> >
> > Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
> > facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
> > applied.
> >
> > > The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
> > >
> > > Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
> > >
> > > ...or did he report to them?
> > >
> > > Who is the Race Director's boss?
> >
> > Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
> > respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
> > period, to not apply the regulations?
>
> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>

That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.

> >
> > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
> > only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
> > race, that only you claim exists.
>
> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
> prior to the start of the race.

Cite.

The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"

Any other inference is a fabrication.

You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.

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Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
> > respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
> > period, to not apply the regulations?
>
> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>

2 examples

"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."

"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
want to do that?
"

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In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> > Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
> > who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
> > not apply the regulations?
>
> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>

I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

> >
> > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
> > if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
> > only you claim exists.
>
> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
> the start of the race.
>

Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
something.

What I don't understand is why you say 'clearly' when you appear to be
the only person on the planet who can see 'it'?

Occam's razor applys. We know there was a push prior by all involved to
see races finish under green flags /where possible/. We know that Masi
said no lapped cars. We know Horner pressured Masi using above pretext.
We know Masi changed his mind.

Simples.

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On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
>>>>>>
>>>
> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>> conditions...'
>>>>
>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>>> applied.
>>>
>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
>>>>
>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>
>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>
>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
>>
>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>
>
> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.

Nope. What you just said is a lie.

>
>>>
>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>>> race, that only you claim exists.
>>
>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>> prior to the start of the race.
>
> Cite.

The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the race.

>
> The only thing clarified above is that " the
> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
> conditions"
>
> Any other inference is a fabrication.
>
> You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
>

On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
>>
>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>
>
> 2 examples
>
> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
> that."

What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?

>
> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
> want to do that?

Sorry, but same question.

On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
>>> not apply the regulations?
>>
>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>
>
> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
> then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

It wasn't.

>
>>>
>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
>>> if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
>>> only you claim exists.
>>
>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
>> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
>> the start of the race.
>>
>
> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
> the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
> something.

This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.

>
> What I don't understand is why you say 'clearly' when you appear to be
> the only person on the planet who can see 'it'?
>
> Occam's razor applys. We know there was a push prior by all involved to
> see races finish under green flags /where possible/. We know that Masi
> said no lapped cars. We know Horner pressured Masi using above pretext.
> We know Masi changed his mind.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> > Alan wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>> > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
>> > > > >
>> >
>https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>> > > > made-human-error/
>> > > >
>> > > > I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
>> > > > is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
>> > > > still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>> > > safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
>> > > account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
>> > > SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
>> > > F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>> > > conditions...'
>> > >
>> > > Straight from the actual report.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>> > facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>> > applied.
>> >
>> > > The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>> > >
>> > > Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
>> > >
>> > > ...or did he report to them?
>> > >
>> > > Who is the Race Director's boss?
>> >
>> > Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>> > respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>> > period, to not apply the regulations?
>>
>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>
>
>That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>
>> >
>> > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>> > only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>> > race, that only you claim exists.
>>
>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>> prior to the start of the race.
>
>Cite.
>
>The only thing clarified above is that " the
> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
> conditions"

Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.

>
>Any other inference is a fabrication.
>
>You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.

On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
> <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>> conditions...'
>>>>>
>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>>>> applied.
>>>>
>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>
>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>
>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>
>>
>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
>>>
>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>>> prior to the start of the race.
>>
>> Cite.
>>
>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>> conditions"
>
> Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
> about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.

Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
received instructions on the subject from someone above him.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:17:17 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Sorry, but same question.

sorry is for pussys
you fucking pussy

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
> > > > respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
> > > > the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
> > >
> > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
> > >
> >
> > 2 examples
> >
> > "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
> > that."
>
> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>

Find the thread and re-read it.

You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

> >
> > "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
> > they want to do that?
>
> Sorry, but same question.

So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

Yes or no?

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Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human
> > > > > > > error’
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
> > > > > > made-human-error/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with
> > > > > > that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover
> > > > > > up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from
> > > > > > above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
> > > > > safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
> > > > > into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
> > > > > the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that
> > > > > made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under green
> > > > > flag racing conditions...'
> > > > >
> > > > > Straight from the actual report.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
> > > > facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
> > > > applied.
> > > >
> > > > > The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
> > > > > Masi...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...or did he report to them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Who is the Race Director's boss?
> > > >
> > > > Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
> > > > respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
> > > > the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
> > >
> > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
> > >
> >
> > That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>
> Nope. What you just said is a lie.
>

"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."

"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
want to do that?"

The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.

>
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
> > > > only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
> > > > race, that only you claim exists.
> > >
> > > It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
> > > from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
> > > prior to the start of the race.
> >
> > Cite.
>
> The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
> race.
>

So no cite, just deflection.

What special instructions?

> >
> > The only thing clarified above is that " the
> > F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
> > conditions"
> >
> > Any other inference is a fabrication.
> >
> > You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
> >

Why did you duck responding to this.

On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>
>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2 examples
>>>
>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>> that."
>>
>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>
>
> Find the thread and re-read it.

Nope. You quote it, Liar.

>
> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

Liar.

>
>>>
>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>> they want to do that?
>>
>> Sorry, but same question.
>
> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>
> Yes or no?
>

Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.

Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
teams...

....BEFORE THE RACE...

....that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
quickly as possible.

Yes or no:

Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> > In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> > > > Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
> > > > respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
> > > > the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
> > >
> > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
> > >
> >
> > I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars
> > and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
>
> It wasn't.
>
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
> > > > but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of
> > > > the race, that only you claim exists.
> > >
> > > It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
> > > direction from above that led Masi to give special information to
> > > the teams prior to the start of the race.
> > >
> >
> > Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
> > information to the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race
> > briefing or something.
>
> This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
> used.
>

Let's keep this simple.

You are lying.

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On 2022-03-22 11:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human
>>>>>>>> error’
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with
>>>>>>> that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover
>>>>>>> up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from
>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
>>>>>> into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
>>>>>> the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that
>>>>>> made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under green
>>>>>> flag racing conditions...'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>>>>> applied.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
>>>>>> Masi...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>>
>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>
>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>
>> Nope. What you just said is a lie.
>>
>
> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
> that."

Which has nothing to do with time, Liar.

>
> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
> want to do that?"

Which has even less to do with the issue of WHEN, Liar.

>
> The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>
>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>>>> prior to the start of the race.
>>>
>>> Cite.
>>
>> The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
>> race.
>>
>
> So no cite, just deflection.
>
> What special instructions?

Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams special
instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?

>
>>>
>>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>> conditions"
>>>
>>> Any other inference is a fabrication.
>>>
>>> You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
>>>
>
> Why did you duck responding to this.

Because I didn't feel like it, Liar.

On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>
>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars
>>> and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
>>
>> It wasn't.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
>>>>> but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of
>>>>> the race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>
>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
>>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special information to
>>>> the teams prior to the start of the race.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
>>> information to the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race
>>> briefing or something.
>>
>> This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
>> used.
>>
>
> Let's keep this simple.
>
> You are lying.

I'm not.

And you're "keeping it simple"...

....because you don't actually want to deny that those unique pre-race
instructions were given...

....because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:15:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Because I didn't feel like it, Liar.

lol

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

you forgot to say sorry, pussy

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 11:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human
> > > > > > > > > error’
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
> > > > > > > > made-human-error/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think the only person who has at any time disagreed
> > > > > > > > with that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is
> > > > > > > > a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct
> > > > > > > > instructions from above.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding
> > > > > > > the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely
> > > > > > > took into account previous discussions (including at
> > > > > > > meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team
> > > > > > > Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end
> > > > > > > races under green flag racing conditions...'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Straight from the actual report.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times
> > > > > > and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed...
> > > > > > only not applied.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
> > > > > > > Committee"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
> > > > > > > Masi...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...or did he report to them?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who is the Race Director's boss?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and always failed
> > > > > > to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
> > > > > > during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
> > > > >
> > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
> > >
> > > Nope. What you just said is a lie.
> > >
> >
> > "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
> > that."
>
> Which has nothing to do with time, Liar.
>

Stupid lie.

> >
> > "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
> > they want to do that?"
>
> Which has even less to do with the issue of WHEN, Liar.
>

Another stupid lie.

> >
> > The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover
> > > > > > up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the
> > > > > > outcome of the race, that only you claim exists.
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
> > > > > direction from above that led Masi to give special
> > > > > information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
> > > >
> > > > Cite.
> > >
> > > The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
> > > race.
> > >
> >
> > So no cite, just deflection.
> >
> > What special instructions?
>
> Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams special
> instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
>

Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.

"there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race"

Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.

> >
> > > >
> > > > The only thing clarified above is that " the
> >>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
> >>> conditions"
> > > >
> > > > Any other inference is a fabrication.
> > > >
> > > > You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
> > > >
> >
> > Why did you duck responding to this.
>
> Because I didn't feel like it,

Fair enough, since you have no defence that is to be expected.

> Liar.

Yet you just admitted it was the truth.

--
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Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and always failed
> > > > > > to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
> > > > > > during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
> > > > >
> > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2 examples
> > > >
> > > > "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
> > > > count on
> >>> that."
> > >
> > > What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
> > > applied?
> > >
> >
> > Find the thread and re-read it.
>
> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>

There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote implies
as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.

> >
> > You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>
> Liar.
>

Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...

> >
> > > >
> > > > "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
> > > > they want to do that?
> > >
> > > Sorry, but same question.
> >
> > So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
> >
> > Yes or no?
> >
>
> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
> superiors.
>
> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
> the teams...
>
> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>
> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended
> as quickly as possible.
>

Any such instructions would be moot unless they included instructions
permitting him to ignore the regulations.

You know they didn't.

> Yes or no:
>
> Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his superiors
and who specifically are "those superiors"?

I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
teams.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> > > > In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and always failed
> > > > > > to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
> > > > > > during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
> > > > >
> > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of
> > > > cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
> > >
> > > It wasn't.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
> > > > > > but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome
> > > > > > of the race, that only you claim exists.
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
> > > > > direction from above that led Masi to give special
> > > > > information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
> > > > information to the teams before every race. It's called a
> > > > pre-race briefing or something.
> > >
> > > This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
> > > used.
> > >
> >
> > Let's keep this simple.
> >
> > You are lying.
>
> I'm not.
>
> And you're "keeping it simple"...
>
> ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique pre-race
> instructions were given...
>
> ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

Quote away.

On 2022-03-22 11:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 11:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human
>>>>>>>>>> error’
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed
>>>>>>>>> with that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is
>>>>>>>>> a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct
>>>>>>>>> instructions from above.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding
>>>>>>>> the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely
>>>>>>>> took into account previous discussions (including at
>>>>>>>> meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team
>>>>>>>> Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end
>>>>>>>> races under green flag racing conditions...'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times
>>>>>>> and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed...
>>>>>>> only not applied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
>>>>>>>> Committee"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
>>>>>>>> Masi...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed
>>>>>>> to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
>>>>>>> during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. What you just said is a lie.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>> that."
>>
>> Which has nothing to do with time, Liar.
>>
>
> Stupid lie.

Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.

>
>>>
>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>> they want to do that?"
>>
>> Which has even less to do with the issue of WHEN, Liar.
>>
>
> Another stupid lie.

Liar.

>
>>>
>>> The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover
>>>>>>> up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the
>>>>>>> outcome of the race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
>>>>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special
>>>>>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
>>>> race.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So no cite, just deflection.
>>>
>>> What special instructions?
>>
>> Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams special
>> instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
>>
>
> Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
> that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
>
> "there was clearly
> direction from above that led Masi to give special
> information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
>
> Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.

Yes: "prior to the start of the race"

Straight from the report, Liar.

'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers)'

>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>> conditions"
>>>>>
>>>>> Any other inference is a fabrication.
>>>>>
>>>>> You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Why did you duck responding to this.
>>
>> Because I didn't feel like it,
>
> Fair enough, since you have no defence that is to be expected.
>
>> Liar.
>
> Yet you just admitted it was the truth.

And that's clearly a lie.

>

On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed
>>>>>>> to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
>>>>>>> during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>
>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
>>>>> count on
>>>>> that."
>>>>
>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
>>>> applied?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>
>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>
>
> There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote implies
> as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.

Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.

>
>>>
>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>
>> Liar.
>>
>
> Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...

Liar.

>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>
>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>
>>> Yes or no?
>>>
>>
>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>> superiors.
>>
>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
>> the teams...
>>
>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>
>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended
>> as quickly as possible.
>>
>
> Any such instructions would be moot unless they included instructions
> permitting him to ignore the regulations.

'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers)'

>
> You know they didn't.
>
>> Yes or no:
>>
>> Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
>
> What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his superiors
> and who specifically are "those superiors"?

I don't know.

Now answer my question:

Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car would be
employed towards the end of the race that were unique to that event?

Yes or no.

>
> I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
> teams.

It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally thousands
of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you took no issue
with its existence then.

On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>>>> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed
>>>>>>> to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
>>>>>>> during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of
>>>>> cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
>>>>>>> but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome
>>>>>>> of the race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
>>>>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special
>>>>>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
>>>>> information to the teams before every race. It's called a
>>>>> pre-race briefing or something.
>>>>
>>>> This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
>>>> used.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let's keep this simple.
>>>
>>> You are lying.
>>
>> I'm not.
>>
>> And you're "keeping it simple"...
>>
>> ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique pre-race
>> instructions were given...
>>
>> ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
>
> Quote away.

Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.

Yes or no:

Prior to the race, did Masi instruct the teams that any safety car
period near the end of the race would be ended as quickly as possible?

Take a stand, you pussy.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:40:50 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.

sorry is for pussys
you fucking pussy

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:40:50 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Take a stand, you pussy.

you stupid cunt