Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> > > > > > In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
> > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and always
> > > > > > > > failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
> > > > > > > > told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
> > > > > > > > regulations?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
> > > > > > > period"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping
> > > > > > of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six
> > > > > > could lap.
> > > > >
> > > > > It wasn't.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
> > > > > > > > cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
> > > > > > > > change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
> > > > > > > > exists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
> > > > > > > direction from above that led Masi to give special
> > > > > > > information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
> > > > > > information to the teams before every race. It's called a
> > > > > > pre-race briefing or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
> > > > > would be used.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let's keep this simple.
> > > >
> > > > You are lying.
> > >
> > > I'm not.
> > >
> > > And you're "keeping it simple"...
> > >
> > > ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
> > > pre-race instructions were given...
> > >
> > > ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
> >
> > Quote away.
>
> Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
>

So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes anywhere...

....as expected.

This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and always
> > > > > > > > failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
> > > > > > > > told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
> > > > > > > > regulations?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
> > > > > > > period"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2 examples
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
> > > > > > count on
> >>>>> that."
> > > > >
> > > > > What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
> > > > > applied?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Find the thread and re-read it.
> > >
> > > Nope. You quote it, Liar.
> > >
> >
> > There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
> > implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.
>
> Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
> > > > context.
> > >
> > > Liar.
> > >
> >
> > Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...
>
> Liar.
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why
> > > > > > would they want to do that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but same question.
> > > >
> > > > So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
> > > > alone?
> > > >
> > > > Yes or no?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from
> > > his superiors.
> > >
> > > Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
> > > to the teams...
> > >
> > > ...BEFORE THE RACE...
> > >
> > > ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
> > > ended as quickly as possible.
> > >
> >
> > Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
> > instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.
>
> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
> at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
> and F1 Team Managers)'
>

How is that a response?

Seems you are trying to deflect because you have nothing.

Let me make it simple for you you need to show that he received
instructions from (preferably named) superiors giving him authorisation
to ignore the safety car regulations...

....else it just looks like you are making things up/lying.

> >
> > You know they didn't.
> >
> > > Yes or no:
> > >
> > > Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
> >
> > What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
> > superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?
>
> I don't know.

So you just made it all up.

>
> Now answer my question:
>
> Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car would
> be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to that
> event?
>
> Yes or no.
>

It certainly doesn't look like it, as I have asked you to quote or cite
such and you have repeatedly failed/prevaricated and lied.

> >
> > I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
> > teams.
>
> It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
> thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you took
> no issue with its existence then.

No, I am sure if they existed you would be able to google them without
any trouble or further prevarication.

Alan wrote:

[snip]
> > > >
> > > > What special instructions?
> > >
> > > Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
> > > special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
> > >
> >
> > Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
> > that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
> >
> > "there was clearly
> > direction from above that led Masi to give special
> > information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
> >
> > Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
>
>
> Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
>
> Straight from the report, Liar.
>
> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
> at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
> and F1 Team Managers)'
>

No mention of special instructions to the team there.
Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.

So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again or
misleading and misrepresentation.

>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing clarified above is that " the
> >>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
> >>>>> conditions"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any other inference is a fabrication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why did you duck responding to this.
> > >
> > > Because I didn't feel like it,
> >
> > Fair enough, since you have no defence that is to be expected.
> >
> > > Liar.
> >
> > Yet you just admitted it was the truth.
>
> And that's clearly a lie.
>

It's the only sane inference.

All the energy you have invested in promoting your lies and when you
have a chance to clear yourself you claim "I didn't feel like it"; yup,
that's an admission.

On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always
>>>>>>>>> failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
>>>>>>>>> told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
>>>>>>>>> regulations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
>>>>>>>> period"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping
>>>>>>> of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six
>>>>>>> could lap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
>>>>>>>>> cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
>>>>>>>>> change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
>>>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
>>>>>>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special
>>>>>>>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
>>>>>>> information to the teams before every race. It's called a
>>>>>>> pre-race briefing or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
>>>>>> would be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's keep this simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are lying.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not.
>>>>
>>>> And you're "keeping it simple"...
>>>>
>>>> ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
>>>> pre-race instructions were given...
>>>>
>>>> ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
>>>
>>> Quote away.
>>
>> Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
>>
>
> So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes anywhere...
>
> ...as expected.
>
> This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

So you won't take a stand.

Got it.

On 2022-03-23 7:01 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always
>>>>>>>>> failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
>>>>>>>>> told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
>>>>>>>>> regulations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
>>>>>>>> period"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
>>>>>>> count on
>>>>>>> that."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
>>>>>> applied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
>>> implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.
>>
>> Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
>>>>> context.
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...
>>
>> Liar.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why
>>>>>>> would they want to do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>>
>>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
>>>>> alone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from
>>>> his superiors.
>>>>
>>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
>>>> to the teams...
>>>>
>>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>>
>>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
>>>> ended as quickly as possible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
>>> instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.
>>
>> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
>> at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
>> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
>> and F1 Team Managers)'
>>
>
> How is that a response?
>
> Seems you are trying to deflect because you have nothing.
>
> Let me make it simple for you you need to show that he received
> instructions from (preferably named) superiors giving him authorisation
> to ignore the safety car regulations...
>
> ...else it just looks like you are making things up/lying.
>
>>>
>>> You know they didn't.
>>>
>>>> Yes or no:
>>>>
>>>> Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
>>>
>>> What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
>>> superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?
>>
>> I don't know.
>
> So you just made it all up.
>
>>
>> Now answer my question:
>>
>> Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car would
>> be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to that
>> event?
>>
>> Yes or no.
>>
>
> It certainly doesn't look like it, as I have asked you to quote or cite
> such and you have repeatedly failed/prevaricated and lied.

Still won't take a stand.

Got it.

>
>>>
>>> I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
>>> teams.
>>
>> It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
>> thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you took
>> no issue with its existence then.
>
> No, I am sure if they existed you would be able to google them without
> any trouble or further prevarication.

Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.

On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> What special instructions?
>>>>
>>>> Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
>>>> special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
>>> that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
>>>
>>> "there was clearly
>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special
>>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
>>>
>>> Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
>>
>>
>> Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
>>
>> Straight from the report, Liar.
>>
>> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
>> at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
>> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
>> and F1 Team Managers)'
>>
>
> No mention of special instructions to the team there.
> Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
> No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
> instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.
>
> So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again or
> misleading and misrepresentation.

There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that race,
Liar.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:13:32 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
> finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.

lol

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:13:32 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
> finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.

sorry is for pussys
you fucking pussy

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Got it.

you aint got fuck all
except a girly street car

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
>> <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>>> conditions...'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>>>>> applied.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>>
>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>
>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>
>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>>>> prior to the start of the race.
>>>
>>> Cite.
>>>
>>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>> conditions"
>>
>> Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
>> about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
>
>Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
>the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
>received instructions on the subject from someone above him.

Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.

Keep digging, Alan, you'll soon be at the Antipodes.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>
>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2 examples
>>>>
>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>>> that."
>>>
>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>
>>
>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>
>Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>
>>
>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>
>Liar.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>> they want to do that?
>>>
>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>
>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>
>> Yes or no?
>>
>
>Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>superiors.
>
>Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
>teams...
>
>...BEFORE THE RACE...
>
>...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
>quickly as possible.

Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?

Sheeesh.

>
>Yes or no:
>
>Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:18:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
>>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
>>>> not apply the regulations?
>>>
>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>
>>
>> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
>> then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
>
>It wasn't.
>
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
>>>> if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
>>>> only you claim exists.
>>>
>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
>>> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
>>> the start of the race.
>>>
>>
>> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
>> the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
>> something.
>
>This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.

So what was UNIQUE about them?

Oh, wait, you already told us, it would be that any safety car period
would be ended as quickly as possible. Big deal.

>
>>
>> What I don't understand is why you say 'clearly' when you appear to be
>> the only person on the planet who can see 'it'?
>>
>> Occam's razor applys. We know there was a push prior by all involved to
>> see races finish under green flags /where possible/. We know that Masi
>> said no lapped cars. We know Horner pressured Masi using above pretext.
>> We know Masi changed his mind.

On 2022-03-23 11:46 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:18:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
>>>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
>>>>> not apply the regulations?
>>>>
>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
>>> then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
>>
>> It wasn't.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
>>>>> if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
>>>>> only you claim exists.
>>>>
>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
>>>> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
>>>> the start of the race.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
>>> the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
>>> something.
>>
>> This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.
>
> So what was UNIQUE about them?
>
> Oh, wait, you already told us, it would be that any safety car period
> would be ended as quickly as possible. Big deal.

Yes. A very big deal, because the fact that that unique discussion took
place puts Masi's actions in a larger context.

On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
>>> <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
>>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
>>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
>>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>>>> conditions...'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>>>>>> applied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>
>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>>>>> prior to the start of the race.
>>>>
>>>> Cite.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>> conditions"
>>>
>>> Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
>>> about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
>>
>> Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
>> the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
>> received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
>
> Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
> you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
> Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.

The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.

Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of the
safety car near the end of the race?

Yes or no.

>
> Keep digging, Alan, you'll soon be at the Antipodes.

Start by answering that question...

....if you have the balls for it.

On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>
>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>>>> that."
>>>>
>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>
>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>
>>>
>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>
>> Liar.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>
>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>
>>> Yes or no?
>>>
>>
>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>> superiors.
>>
>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
>> teams...
>>
>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>
>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
>> quickly as possible.
>
> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
> quickly as possible?

I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
about this particular race.

>
> Sheeesh.
>
>>
>> Yes or no:
>>
>> Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

Well?

On 24/03/2022 12:46 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>>>>>    that."
>>>>>
>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>
>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>>
>>> Liar.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>
>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>>> superiors.
>>>
>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
>>> teams...
>>>
>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>
>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
>>> quickly as possible.
>>
>> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
>> quickly as possible?
>
> I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
> about this particular race.
>

And those unique instructions included that the rules were going to be
ignored ?

OK, to play your silly game - prove it.

geoff

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 5:46:17 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> ...if you have the balls for it.

this from the group pussy

On 2022-03-23 5:07 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 24/03/2022 12:46 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>>>>>>    that."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>>
>>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>>>> superiors.
>>>>
>>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
>>>> the
>>>> teams...
>>>>
>>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>>
>>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
>>>> ended as
>>>> quickly as possible.
>>>
>>> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
>>> quickly as possible?
>>
>> I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the
>> teams about this particular race.
>>
>
>
> And those unique instructions included that the rules were going to be
> ignored ?

Are you agree that there were unique instructions specifically regarding
the use of the safety car?

Yes or no.

>
> OK, to play your silly game - prove it.
If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:51:25 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.

fuck you cunt hole

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:51:25 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.

you feminine fuck

In article <t1gbg7$orc$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
> instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
> safety car near the end of the race?
>
> Yes or no.
>

Yes. Unless you have evidence of what was said (or not said) at prior
races.

The meeting (it now appears there were several) where agreement or
expression of desire by the teams, for races (plural) to finish under
green flag conditions was not a flash in the pan that occurred just
before that final race.

And if it was mentioned in briefings before the final race, I see no
reason why it was not mentioned at prior races.

--
Alan LeHun

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What special instructions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
> > > > > special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cite any that you think support your position as you declared
> > > > above that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
> > > >
> > > > "there was clearly
> >>> direction from above that led Masi to give special
> >>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
> > > >
> > > > Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
> > >
> > > Straight from the report, Liar.
> > >
> > > 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
> > > car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
> > > previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
> > > Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'
> > >
> >
> > No mention of special instructions to the team there.
> > Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
> > No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
> > instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.
> >
> > So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again
> > or misleading and misrepresentation.
>
> There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
> race, Liar.

Well if liarboy says so who could possibly doubt... /s

I think I'll wait for you to actually show an iota of proof that you
are not just that... a liarboy.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-23 7:01 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and always
> > > > > > > > > > failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
> > > > > > > > > > told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
> > > > > > > > > > regulations?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
> > > > > > > > > period"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2 examples
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can
> > > > > > > > absolutely count on
> >>>>>>> that."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence
> > > > > > > was applied?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Find the thread and re-read it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope. You quote it, Liar.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
> > > > implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.
> > >
> > > Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
> > > > > > context.
> > > > >
> > > > > Liar.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...
> > >
> > > Liar.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone,
> > > > > > > > why would they want to do that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, but same question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
> > > > > > alone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes or no?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received
> > > > > from his superiors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique
> > > > > instructions to the teams...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...BEFORE THE RACE...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would
> > > > > be ended as quickly as possible.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
> > > > instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.
> > >
> > > 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
> > > car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
> > > previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
> > > Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'
> > >
> >
> > How is that a response?
> >
> > Seems you are trying to deflect because you have nothing.
> >
> > Let me make it simple for you you need to show that he received
> > instructions from (preferably named) superiors giving him
> > authorisation to ignore the safety car regulations...
> >
> > ...else it just looks like you are making things up/lying.
> >
> > > >
> > > > You know they didn't.
> > > >
> > > > > Yes or no:
> > > > >
> > > > > Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
> > > >
> > > > What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
> > > > superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?
> > >
> > > I don't know.
> >
> > So you just made it all up.
> >
> > >
> > > Now answer my question:
> > >
> > > Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car
> > > would be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to
> > > that event?
> > >
> > > Yes or no.
> > >
> >
> > It certainly doesn't look like it, as I have asked you to quote or
> > cite such and you have repeatedly failed/prevaricated and lied.
>
> Still won't take a stand.
>

Yet more prevarication. It's clear why.

How is calling you out as a liarboy, who has repeatedly lied, attempted
to mislead and continually misrepresented not taking a stand.

Prove you are not a liarboy, Alan.

FFS even if you weren't just a liarboy you certainly have proven
yourself a stupid cunt.

> Got it.
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to
> > > > the teams.
> > >
> > > It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
> > > thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you
> > > took no issue with its existence then.
> >
> > No, I am sure if they existed you would be able to google them
> > without any trouble or further prevarication.
>
> Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
> finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.

Sure. The one thing that could refute the claim you are a LIARBOY...

....what would be the most important and controversial documents
relating to the incident...

....something that only exists in your imagination...

....of course you can't find a mention of it anywhere.

....

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
> > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and always
> > > > > > > > > > failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
> > > > > > > > > > told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
> > > > > > > > > > regulations?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
> > > > > > > > > period"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
> > > > > > > > lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and
> > > > > > > > said six could lap.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It wasn't.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
> > > > > > > > > > cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
> > > > > > > > > > change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
> > > > > > > > > > exists.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
> > > > > > > > > clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
> > > > > > > > > special information to the teams prior to the start
> > > > > > > > > of the race.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
> > > > > > > > special information to the teams before every race.
> > > > > > > > It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
> > > > > > > would be used.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's keep this simple.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are lying.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you're "keeping it simple"...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
> > > > > pre-race instructions were given...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
> > > >
> > > > Quote away.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
> > >
> >
> > So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
> > anywhere...
> >
> > ...as expected.
> >
> > This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
>
> So you won't take a stand.
>

Another lie, LIARBOY...

No quotes again, LIARBOY.

This is no longer about F1 this is just verification that you are a
pathological liar.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
>>>> <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
>>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
>>>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>>>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
>>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
>>>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
>>>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>>>>> conditions...'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>>>>>>> applied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>>>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>>>>>> prior to the start of the race.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>> conditions"
>>>>
>>>> Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
>>>> about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
>>>
>>> Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
>>> the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
>>> received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
>>
>> Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
>> you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
>> Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.
>
>The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
>
>Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
>instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of the
>safety car near the end of the race?
>
>Yes or no.

I don't know of any such instructions. *You* are the only one claiming
there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
up."

>
>>
>> Keep digging, Alan, you'll soon be at the Antipodes.
>
>Start by answering that question...
>
>...if you have the balls for it.