On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>>>>> that."
>>>>>
>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>
>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>>
>>> Liar.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>
>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>>> superiors.
>>>
>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
>>> teams...
>>>
>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>
>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
>>> quickly as possible.
>>
>> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
>> quickly as possible?
>
>I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
>about this particular race.
>
>>
>> Sheeesh.
>>
>>>
>>> Yes or no:
>>>
>>> Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
>
>Well?

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>>>>> that."
>>>>>
>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>
>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>>
>>> Liar.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>
>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>>> superiors.
>>>
>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
>>> teams...
>>>
>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>
>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
>>> quickly as possible.
>>
>> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
>> quickly as possible?
>
>I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
>about this particular race.

That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
managed.

>
>>
>> Sheeesh.
>>
>>>
>>> Yes or no:
>>>
>>> Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
>
>Well?

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:10:08 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-23 11:46 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:18:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>>> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
>>>>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
>>>>>> not apply the regulations?
>>>>>
>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
>>>> then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
>>>
>>> It wasn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
>>>>>> if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
>>>>>> only you claim exists.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
>>>>> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
>>>>> the start of the race.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
>>>> the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.
>>
>> So what was UNIQUE about them?
>>
>> Oh, wait, you already told us, it would be that any safety car period
>> would be ended as quickly as possible. Big deal.
>
>Yes. A very big deal, because the fact that that unique discussion

What makes it unique? Do you seriously think that trying to end a SC
as quickly as possible was never discussed in previous briefings?.

>took
>place puts Masi's actions in a larger context.

It doesn't change the fact that Masi, under pressure from team
managers and Horner in particular, made a very bad decision. But*he*
made that decision, not anyone else and he was not under any direct
instruction *from above* to do what he did.

On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
>>>>> <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
>>>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
>>>>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>>>>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
>>>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
>>>>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
>>>>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>>>>>> conditions...'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>>>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>>>>>>>> applied.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>>>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>>>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>>>>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>>>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>>>>>>> prior to the start of the race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>>> conditions"
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
>>>>> about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
>>>>
>>>> Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
>>>> the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
>>>> received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
>>>
>>> Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
>>> you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
>>> Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.
>>
>> The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
>>
>> Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
>> instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of the
>> safety car near the end of the race?
>>
>> Yes or no.
>
> I don't know of any such instructions. *You* are the only one claiming
> there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
> support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
> up."

Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?

Why is it none of you will take a stand?

On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>>>>>> that."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>>
>>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>>>> superiors.
>>>>
>>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
>>>> teams...
>>>>
>>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>>
>>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
>>>> quickly as possible.
>>>
>>> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
>>> quickly as possible?
>>
>> I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
>> about this particular race.
>
> That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
> preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
> the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
> simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
> managed.

That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.

'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
when safe to do so.'

That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.

'The F1 drivers’ consultation'

THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous
discussions".

On 2022-03-24 3:34 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What special instructions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
>>>>>> special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite any that you think support your position as you declared
>>>>> above that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
>>>>>
>>>>> "there was clearly
>>>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special
>>>>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
>>>>>
>>>>> Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
>>>>
>>>> Straight from the report, Liar.
>>>>
>>>> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
>>>> car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
>>>> previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
>>>> Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'
>>>>
>>>
>>> No mention of special instructions to the team there.
>>> Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
>>> No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
>>> instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.
>>>
>>> So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again
>>> or misleading and misrepresentation.
>>
>> There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
>> race, Liar.
>
> Well if liarboy says so who could possibly doubt... /s
>
> I think I'll wait for you to actually show an iota of proof that you
> are not just that... a liarboy.

I'm still waiting for you to take a stand.

On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always
>>>>>>>>>>> failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
>>>>>>>>>>> told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
>>>>>>>>>>> regulations?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
>>>>>>>>>> period"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
>>>>>>>>> lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and
>>>>>>>>> said six could lap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It wasn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
>>>>>>>>>>> cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
>>>>>>>>>>> change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
>>>>>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
>>>>>>>>>> clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
>>>>>>>>>> special information to the teams prior to the start
>>>>>>>>>> of the race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
>>>>>>>>> special information to the teams before every race.
>>>>>>>>> It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
>>>>>>>> would be used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's keep this simple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are lying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you're "keeping it simple"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
>>>>>> pre-race instructions were given...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quote away.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
>>> anywhere...
>>>
>>> ...as expected.
>>>
>>> This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
>>
>> So you won't take a stand.
>>
>
> Another lie, LIARBOY...

I've asked the question.

You've avoided answering it.

What would you call it?

On 2022-03-24 3:02 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> In article <t1gbg7$orc$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>> Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
>> instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
>> safety car near the end of the race?
>>
>> Yes or no.
>>
>
>
> Yes. Unless you have evidence of what was said (or not said) at prior
> races.
>

Sorry, but that's just another way to avoid answering.

What does "Yes[,] unless [I] have evidence" mean?

What you believe right now is tied to whether or not I have evidence?

> The meeting (it now appears there were several) where agreement or
> expression of desire by the teams, for races (plural) to finish under
> green flag conditions was not a flash in the pan that occurred just
> before that final race.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

It was pointed out at about the time that his all happened that the
discussion was unique to this race.

Those links are now buried in the thousands that use a lot of the same
words.

>
> And if it was mentioned in briefings before the final race, I see no
> reason why it was not mentioned at prior races.

You seeing no reason for something doesn't change its reality.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:35:48 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
>>>>>> <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
>>>>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
>>>>>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
>>>>>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
>>>>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
>>>>>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
>>>>>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>>>>>>> conditions...'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
>>>>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
>>>>>>>>> applied.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
>>>>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
>>>>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
>>>>>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
>>>>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
>>>>>>>> prior to the start of the race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>>>> conditions"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
>>>>>> about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
>>>>> the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
>>>>> received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
>>>>
>>>> Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
>>>> you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
>>>> Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.
>>>
>>> The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
>>>
>>> Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
>>> instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of the
>>> safety car near the end of the race?
>>>
>>> Yes or no.
>>
>> I don't know of any such instructions. *You* are the only one claiming
>> there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
>> support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
>> up."
>
>Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?
>
>Why is it none of you will take a stand?

Because, unlike you, we don't answer questions to which we don't
actually know the answer.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:39:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
>>>>>>>> that."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>>>>> superiors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
>>>>> teams...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
>>>>> quickly as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
>>>> quickly as possible?
>>>
>>> I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
>>> about this particular race.
>>
>> That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
>> preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
>> the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
>> simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
>> managed.
>
>That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.
>
>'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
>the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
>discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
>F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
>under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
>when safe to do so.'
>
>That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
>those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.

Where does it say anything about "specific, unique instructions"?

>
>'The F1 drivers’ consultation'
>
>THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous
>discussions".

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:00:35 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Those links are now buried

lol

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:46:44 PM UTC-6, martin...@gmail.com wrote:

> Because, unlike you, we don't answer questions to which we don't
> actually know the answer.

yet you continue to hump alans leg
3 months after the fact
you are fucking bored

On 25/03/2022 6:39 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
>>>>>>>> count on
>>>>>>>>     that."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>>>>> superiors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
>>>>> to the
>>>>> teams...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
>>>>> ended as
>>>>> quickly as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
>>>> quickly as possible?
>>>
>>> I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
>>> about this particular race.
>>
>> That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
>> preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
>> the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
>> simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
>> managed.
>
> That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.
>
> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
> the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
> F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
> under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
> when safe to do so.'
>
> That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
> those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.
>
> 'The F1 drivers’ consultation'
>
> THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous
> discussions".

Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.

geoff

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 4:44:23 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.

get a life troll

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 4:44:23 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.

thats all ya got after 3 months?
typical useless nz idiot
hoping putin doesnt ruin
his shithole existence

On 2022-03-24 3:44 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 25/03/2022 6:39 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
>>>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
>>>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2 examples
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
>>>>>>>>> count on
>>>>>>>>>     that."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
>>>>>>>> applied?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find the thread and re-read it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. You quote it, Liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
>>>>>>>>> they want to do that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but same question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
>>>>>> superiors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> teams...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...BEFORE THE RACE...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
>>>>>> ended as
>>>>>> quickly as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
>>>>> quickly as possible?
>>>>
>>>> I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
>>>> about this particular race.
>>>
>>> That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
>>> preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
>>> the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
>>> simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
>>> managed.
>>
>> That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.
>>
>> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
>> the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
>> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
>> and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end
>> races under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety
>> car, when safe to do so.'
>>
>> That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
>> those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.
>>
>> 'The F1 drivers’ consultation'
>>
>> THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous
>> discussions".
>
> Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.

You get that the stewards at the event ruled the rules hadn't been
ignored...

....right?

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:44:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> You get that the stewards at the event ruled the rules hadn't been
> ignored...
>
> ...right?

3 month later
kill yourself
you simple asshole

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:44:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> You get that the stewards at the event ruled the rules hadn't been
> ignored...
>
> ...right?

3 months later
kill yourself
you simple asshole

In article <t1ibk1$u7f$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>
> On 2022-03-24 3:02 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> > In article <t1gbg7$orc$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> >> Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
> >> instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
> >> safety car near the end of the race?
> >>
> >> Yes or no.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Yes. Unless you have evidence of what was said (or not said) at prior
> > races.
> >
>
> Sorry, but that's just another way to avoid answering.
>
> What does "Yes[,] unless [I] have evidence" mean?
>
> What you believe right now is tied to whether or not I have evidence?

Yes. I deny that such instructions were unique and will continue to do
so until evidence to the contrary is provided.

>
> > The meeting (it now appears there were several) where agreement or
> > expression of desire by the teams, for races (plural) to finish under
> > green flag conditions was not a flash in the pan that occurred just
> > before that final race.
>
> I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
>
> It was pointed out at about the time that his all happened that the
> discussion was unique to this race.
>
> Those links are now buried in the thousands that use a lot of the same
> words.
>

I doubt that any link provided indicated that the instructions were
unique.

> >
> > And if it was mentioned in briefings before the final race, I see no
> > reason why it was not mentioned at prior races.
>
> You seeing no reason for something doesn't change its reality.

Well of course not, but neither of us know the reality. The above is
part of the logic for how I arrived at the position I hold.

--
Alan LeHun

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-24 3:34 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What special instructions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the
> > > > > > > teams special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cite any that you think support your position as you
> > > > > > declared above that gave Masi permission to ignore the
> > > > > > regulations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "there was clearly
> >>>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special
> >>>>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
> > > > >
> > > > > Straight from the report, Liar.
> > > > >
> > > > > 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
> > > > > safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
> > > > > into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
> > > > > the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No mention of special instructions to the team there.
> > > > Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
> > > > No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
> > > > instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.
> > > >
> > > > So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet
> > > > again or misleading and misrepresentation.
> > >
> > > There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
> > > race, Liar.
> >
> > Well if liarboy says so who could possibly doubt... /s
> >
> > I think I'll wait for you to actually show an iota of proof that you
> > are not just that... a liarboy.
>
> I'm still waiting for you to take a stand.

You've made that claim before to prevaricate when you have been exposed
as a liar.

It doesn't fly anymore.

You are a pathological liar.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> >On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> >>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
> >>>>><bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made
> > > > > > > > > > > > ‘human error’
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
> > > > > > > > > > > made-human-error/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think the only person who has at any time
> > > > > > > > > > > disagreed with that is Alan, who i am sure will
> > > > > > > > > > > now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi
> > > > > > > > > > > acting under direct instructions from above.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > '32. It was also considered that the decisions
> > > > > > > > > > regarding the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu
> > > > > > > > > > Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
> > > > > > > > > > discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC,
> > > > > > > > > > the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made
> > > > > > > > > > clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under
> > > > > > > > > > green flag racing conditions...'
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Straight from the actual report.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen
> > > > > > > > > times and the facts remain... the regulations were
> > > > > > > > > not changed... only not applied.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
> > > > > > > > > > Committee"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission)
> > > > > > > > > > reported to Masi...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ...or did he report to them?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Who is the Race Director's boss?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and always
> > > > > > > > > failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
> > > > > > > > > told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
> > > > > > > > > regulations?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
> > > > > > > > period"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
> > > > > > > > > cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
> > > > > > > > > change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
> > > > > > > > > exists.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
> > > > > > > > clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
> > > > > > > > special information to the teams prior to the start of
> > > > > > > > the race.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cite.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The only thing clarified above is that " the
> > > > > > > F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
> > > > > > > conditions"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all
> > > > > > in it about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and
> > > > > > practices.
> > > > >
> > > > > Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message
> > > > > about how the safety car would be handled late in the race
> > > > > indicates that he had received instructions on the subject
> > > > > from someone above him.
> > > >
> > > > Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was.
> > > > Pity that you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you
> > > > can't tell us why Horner didn't use that message to justify
> > > > Max's victory.
> > >
> > > The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
> > >
> > > Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
> > > instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of
> > > the safety car near the end of the race?
> > >
> > > Yes or no.
> >
> > I don't know of any such instructions. You are the only one claiming
> > there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
> > support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
> > up."
>
> Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?
>
> Why is it none of you will take a stand?

Everyone has taken a stand.

Everyone has either implied you are lying or stated it overtly.

You are known as an habitual and persistent liar.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
> > > > > > > > > > nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Something you have been asked many times and
> > > > > > > > > > > > always failed to respond; who are the people
> > > > > > > > > > > > that you claim told Masi, during the SC period,
> > > > > > > > > > > > to not apply the regulations?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
> > > > > > > > > > > the SC period"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
> > > > > > > > > > lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind
> > > > > > > > > > and said six could lap.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It wasn't.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems you are willing to believe there is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > huge cover up but only if it involves a
> > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race,
> > > > > > > > > > > > that only you claim exists.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
> > > > > > > > > > > clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
> > > > > > > > > > > special information to the teams prior to the
> > > > > > > > > > > start of the race.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
> > > > > > > > > > special information to the teams before every race.
> > > > > > > > > > It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety
> > > > > > > > > car would be used.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let's keep this simple.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are lying.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And you're "keeping it simple"...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...because you don't actually want to deny that those
> > > > > > > unique pre-race instructions were given...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
> > > > > > > quotes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quote away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
> > > > anywhere...
> > > >
> > > > ...as expected.
> > > >
> > > > This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
> > >
> > > So you won't take a stand.
> > >
> >
> > Another lie, LIARBOY...
>
> I've asked the question.
>
> You've avoided answering it.
>
> What would you call it?

Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or said
anything that prevents you from showing you are not an habitual and
persistent liar.

We all know the reason for your prevarication, LIARBOY.

On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always failed to respond; who are the people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you claim told Masi, during the SC period,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to not apply the regulations?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
>>>>>>>>>>>> the SC period"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
>>>>>>>>>>> lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind
>>>>>>>>>>> and said six could lap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge cover up but only if it involves a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that only you claim exists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
>>>>>>>>>>>> special information to the teams prior to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> start of the race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
>>>>>>>>>>> special information to the teams before every race.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety
>>>>>>>>>> car would be used.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's keep this simple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are lying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you're "keeping it simple"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...because you don't actually want to deny that those
>>>>>>>> unique pre-race instructions were given...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
>>>>>>>> quotes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quote away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
>>>>> anywhere...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...as expected.
>>>>>
>>>>> This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
>>>>
>>>> So you won't take a stand.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Another lie, LIARBOY...
>>
>> I've asked the question.
>>
>> You've avoided answering it.
>>
>> What would you call it?
>
> Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or said

By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a question
you haven't answered.

Liar.

On 2022-03-25 3:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
>>>>>>> <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘human error’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
> https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
>>>>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the only person who has at any time
>>>>>>>>>>>> disagreed with that is Alan, who i am sure will
>>>>>>>>>>>> now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi
>>>>>>>>>>>> acting under direct instructions from above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> '32. It was also considered that the decisions
>>>>>>>>>>> regarding the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu
>>>>>>>>>>> Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
>>>>>>>>>>> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC,
>>>>>>>>>>> the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made
>>>>>>>>>>> clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under
>>>>>>>>>>> green flag racing conditions...'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Straight from the actual report.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen
>>>>>>>>>> times and the facts remain... the regulations were
>>>>>>>>>> not changed... only not applied.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
>>>>>>>>>>> Committee"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission)
>>>>>>>>>>> reported to Masi...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...or did he report to them?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who is the Race Director's boss?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Something you have been asked many times and always
>>>>>>>>>> failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
>>>>>>>>>> told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
>>>>>>>>>> regulations?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
>>>>>>>>> period"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
>>>>>>>>>> cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
>>>>>>>>>> change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
>>>>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
>>>>>>>>> clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
>>>>>>>>> special information to the teams prior to the start of
>>>>>>>>> the race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only thing clarified above is that " the
>>>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
>>>>>>>> conditions"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all
>>>>>>> in it about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and
>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message
>>>>>> about how the safety car would be handled late in the race
>>>>>> indicates that he had received instructions on the subject
>>>>>> from someone above him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was.
>>>>> Pity that you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you
>>>>> can't tell us why Horner didn't use that message to justify
>>>>> Max's victory.
>>>>
>>>> The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
>>>>
>>>> Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
>>>> instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of
>>>> the safety car near the end of the race?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no.
>>>
>>> I don't know of any such instructions. You are the only one claiming
>>> there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
>>> support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
>>> up."
>>
>> Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?
>>
>> Why is it none of you will take a stand?
>
> Everyone has taken a stand.
>

You haven't.

Liar.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:45:56 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Liar.

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