On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:01:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/15/2022 10:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >> AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
> >>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except they
> >>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three bike rides
> >>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right side of the
> >>>> road.
> >> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity must be
> >> rather limited.
> >>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had some scary
> >>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
> >> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American driver!
> >>
> >> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and Hungarian" to
> >> become the EU's exclusive official languages, to "further strengthen
> >> cohesion." Now, I'm more serious than ever about it -- because I would
> >> not have to bear hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
> >
> > Seriously, I am quite surprised that Germany would remain in an EU that is anything other than military cooperation should that ever become necessary. I think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine has shown that will probably never become even a viable option for the Russians. Against even the Germans, Russia would not become helpless unless it was Germany invading Russia where every Russian then becomes a defender. Clearly offense is much harder than defense so Germany who have learned a very hard lesson could stop anything short of a nuclear exchange with ease.
> >
> They took a miserable 2d Place to the Red Army last time.
>
> Too many factors to call it either way.

Andrew, at that time the Germans were invaders and not defenders. In cases like that history tells us that the invading force must have an overwhelming majority and the Ukraine has shown us that they do not. Let's remember that the Ukraine has inflicted heavy loses on the Russians despite being led by a somewhat corrupt TV actor. He and his generals have caused complete retreat of the Russians from their capital city and presently the Russians are suffering heavy loses trying to find a pathway to the Sea of Azov. Plus, naval forces of Russia are having a lot of trouble as NATO (meaning American) naval forces are flooding that area and restricting access.

With that much trouble with a small economically depressed Ukraine, who could Russia possibly do with a military might of Germany, who, if anything, is more powerful than in WW II and with much better generals. The Allies at the time of invasion had 10 times as many troops to field as the Germans. And because they were invaders their supply lines were stretched thin and easily broken.

On Sat, 14 May 2022 22:02:53 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/14/2022 6:19 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 11:44:09 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 00:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Besides the ignorance, I find it fairly amazing one person can come up with such outlandish things.
>>> Yep. I noticed that. It takes effort to always be wrong.
>>
>> I'm not really talking about the wrong aspect of everything Tommy says. Which is true of course. Wrong Tommy. But what he is wrong about. Moses Ten Commandments. Environmentalists blowing up oil wells in the Gulf by lighting the off gas on fire. And so many other things I cannot even recall. The imagination Tommy uses to come up with these topics is breathtaking. I believe for pure mental activity, Tommy boy is right up there with Einstein and Tesla and Bell. Of course they thought about useful topics. And Tommy thinks about inane nonsensical topics. But the brain power Tommy puts into these topics is amazing. Of course why, I don't know.
>
>There are all sorts of crazy right-wing conspiracy web sites. Pretty
>sure that's where he gets these topics. He doesn't come up with them
>himself, he just repeats them. Since he lacks any critical thinking
>skills, he falls victim to these theories.

Maybe, but I suspect that there's something more to the problem. Tom
mangles the facts of just about everything. The conspiracy theory
sites tend to expound on stories that make some group or party look
bad. They cover the really big stories, and tend to ignore trivial
items like how wind turbines work, Campagnolo cables designed to
stretch, metric Torx drivers, etc. A conspiracy web site would be
huge if it contained all the wrong information that Tom has posted to
RBT. I'm sure he has found a few Covid-19 related stories on
conspiracy sites, but the technical details that I'm constantly
correcting are unlikely to be found on such web sites.

My guess(tm) is that Tom scrambles the information he gets from web
pages and media sources and adjusts the information to conform to his
beliefs. As I mentioned, he had the $850 million selling price
correct, but mangled the rest of the story. Several other stories in
the past were somewhat correctly reported, but usually had some
amazing facts not present in the original added by Tom. The few times
that Tom has provided a source URL, it usually did not substantiate
his claims and sometimes had nothing to do with the topic under
discussion. I don't know where the problem resides, but it seems to
start with a reading comprehension problem. Maybe he's speed reading
and has a retention problem.

>For the ten commandments, a 1500 year old stone inscription was found in
>1913 and was sold for $850,000 in 2016. Somehow he got the idea that
>these were the original ten commandments tablets, which of course are
>unlikely to ever have existed, despite the story in the bible.

Yep. That's an example of the lack of critical thinking. That's
largely how I find mistakes in Tom's amazing facts. His stories are
not self-consistent. I ask myself "If this claim were true, what else
would I expect to have happened"? For example, when Tom declared that
wind turbine tip speeds approach supersonic, I asked myself "Where are
the sonic booms"? When he announced that a crank and a seat post fell
off during two rides, I asked myself "How could he ride any distance
without noticing that something was loose"? When he announced that
the original 10 Commandments had been found, I asked myself "Why would
Israel allow such an important artifact out of the country and why
haven't I read about any geological studies linking the stone tablet
with the rocks found near Mt Sinai"? Basically, an exercise in what
is missing from the story, which a big part critical thinking.

Also, the "somehow he got the idea..." seems to be that Tom has to put
his mark on everything he touches. It probably started with
embellishing his employment history and is currently amazing facts.
Ignoring graffiti, I've seen this "making one's mark" happen when
companies merge or hire a new president. The first acts of the new
regime is to destroy all evidence of their predecessor, and mark
everything possible with anything possible to identify it as a product
of the new regime.

Drivel: I've noticed that Tom and others tend to belittle anyone who
disagrees with them. It's quite easy to recognize who in RBT are
secure in their background, experience, knowledge, understanding, etc
and who in RBT are not so secure:

"Understanding Relationships With People Who Put Others Down:
Psychology Of Bullying"
<https://www.regain.us/advice/psychology/understanding-relationships-with-people-who-put-others-down-psychology-of-bullying/>
"Psychology says trauma from childhood, low self-esteem, and
insecurity are a few major causes."

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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 5/15/2022 10:37 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>> AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except
>>>> they
>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three
>>>> bike rides
>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right
>>>> side of the
>>>> road.
>>
>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity
>> must be rather limited.
>>
>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had
>>> some scary
>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
>>
>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American
>> driver!
>>
>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and
>> Hungarian" to become the EU's exclusive official languages,
>> to "further strengthen cohesion." Now, I'm more serious
>> than ever about it -- because I would not have to bear
>> hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
>>
>
> She's very good with manuals- my column or floor shift cars-
> as she grew up on tractors. (still calls the throttle pedal
> 'foot-feed').
>
> But typical traveler's signage confusion, complicated by
> language and added to ass-backwards intuition is daunting.
>
> I had the same sorts of troubles cycling in Japan. I read
> slowly and with difficulty and in traffic, when a
> split-second is critical, I intuitively react wrong.
>

I avoided cycling in Scotland and London for the brief time I was there for
the same reason. You can logically figure out what to do, but all your
instincts are completely wrong.

On Sun, 15 May 2022 12:00:03 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:59:42 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:24:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Well... people pay some rather astonishing prices for some rather
>>>(would one say) strange things sold for large sums of money :-)
>>>https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/103797/weirdest-things-sold-at-auction-for-millions/
>>
>><https://www.foxnews.com/science/got-250000-earliest-known-10-commandments-inscription-up-for-auction>
>>The bidding started at $250,000 and it eventually sold for $850,000.
>>The video adds some interesting details.
>>
>>"How to Make a Replica of the Ten Commandements on Fake Stone Tablets"
>><https://www.ehow.com/how_5695382_make-commandements-fake-stone-tablets.html>
>>
>>"The Mysterious Rocks from Mount Sinai"
>><https://dafyomireview.com/article.php?docid=528>

>Is the location of the Mt. Sinia, where the Ten Commandments were
>given to Moses, known?

Nope. Nobody is certain that the biblical Mt Sinai is the same as the
modern Mt Sinai. There are numerous stories, books, and videos on the
topic of finding Mt Sinai. For example:
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mt+sinai+location>
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=exodus+story>
The problem is that the description in Exodus does not match with the
modern location. There are also inconsistencies in the Exodus route,
location of various biblical cities, biblical timelines, etc. Almost
everything is in doubt with little help from archaeologists and
governments. Just about everyone has a personal favorite version of
the Exodus, including me. The most common alternative location is
Jebel al-Lawz, which is in the middle of a military zone in Saudi
Arabia. It's a better match the modern Mt Sinai, but not perfect. Of
course, the Saudi's are not cooperating.

A problem with building anything in Israel is that it doesn't matter
where you dig, you're going to find artifacts:
"Israel to move prison sitting atop earliest mosaic dedicated to
Jesus"
<https://www.jpost.com/christianworld/article-702712>
"This structure is interpreted as the oldest Christian prayer house in
the world".

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On 5/15/2022 11:30 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> The most common alternative location is
> Jebel al-Lawz, which is in the middle of a military zone in Saudi
> Arabia. It's a better match the modern Mt Sinai, but not perfect. Of
> course, the Saudi's are not cooperating.

“Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses,” said
Premier Golda Meir. “He took us 40 years through the desert in order to
bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil.”

On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:30:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>The most common alternative location is
>Jebel al-Lawz, which is in the middle of a military zone in Saudi
>Arabia. It's a better match the modern Mt Sinai, but not perfect. Of
>course, the Saudi's are not cooperating.

I forgot a URL:
"A Christian Apologetics Ministry Dedicated to Demonstrating the
Historical Reliability of the Bible through Archaeological and
Biblical Research." (2001)
<https://biblearchaeology.org/research/exodus-from-egypt/2264-mount-sinai-is-not-jebel-allawz-in-saudi-arabia>

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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:19:38 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > On 5/15/2022 10:37 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >> AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
> >>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except
> >>>> they
> >>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three
> >>>> bike rides
> >>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right
> >>>> side of the
> >>>> road.
> >>
> >> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity
> >> must be rather limited.
> >>
> >>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had
> >>> some scary
> >>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
> >>
> >> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American
> >> driver!
> >>
> >> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and
> >> Hungarian" to become the EU's exclusive official languages,
> >> to "further strengthen cohesion." Now, I'm more serious
> >> than ever about it -- because I would not have to bear
> >> hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
> >>
> >
> > She's very good with manuals- my column or floor shift cars-
> > as she grew up on tractors. (still calls the throttle pedal
> > 'foot-feed').
> >
> > But typical traveler's signage confusion, complicated by
> > language and added to ass-backwards intuition is daunting.
> >
> > I had the same sorts of troubles cycling in Japan. I read
> > slowly and with difficulty and in traffic, when a
> > split-second is critical, I intuitively react wrong.
> >
> I avoided cycling in Scotland and London for the brief time I was there for
> the same reason. You can logically figure out what to do, but all your
> instincts are completely wrong.

Never depend on the English to EVER do anything obvious. Why would you drive on the left hand side of the road when the overwhelming majority of people are right handed and their instinct is always turn away from their right side?

On 5/15/2022 12:31 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:01:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/15/2022 10:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
>>>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except they
>>>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three bike rides
>>>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right side of the
>>>>>> road.
>>>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity must be
>>>> rather limited.
>>>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had some scary
>>>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
>>>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American driver!
>>>>
>>>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and Hungarian" to
>>>> become the EU's exclusive official languages, to "further strengthen
>>>> cohesion." Now, I'm more serious than ever about it -- because I would
>>>> not have to bear hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
>>>
>>> Seriously, I am quite surprised that Germany would remain in an EU that is anything other than military cooperation should that ever become necessary. I think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine has shown that will probably never become even a viable option for the Russians. Against even the Germans, Russia would not become helpless unless it was Germany invading Russia where every Russian then becomes a defender. Clearly offense is much harder than defense so Germany who have learned a very hard lesson could stop anything short of a nuclear exchange with ease.
>>>
>> They took a miserable 2d Place to the Red Army last time.
>>
>> Too many factors to call it either way.
>
> Andrew, at that time the Germans were invaders and not defenders. In cases like that history tells us that the invading force must have an overwhelming majority and the Ukraine has shown us that they do not. Let's remember that the Ukraine has inflicted heavy loses on the Russians despite being led by a somewhat corrupt TV actor. He and his generals have caused complete retreat of the Russians from their capital city and presently the Russians are suffering heavy loses trying to find a pathway to the Sea of Azov. Plus, naval forces of Russia are having a lot of trouble as NATO (meaning American) naval forces are flooding that area and restricting access.
>
> With that much trouble with a small economically depressed Ukraine, who could Russia possibly do with a military might of Germany, who, if anything, is more powerful than in WW II and with much better generals. The Allies at the time of invasion had 10 times as many troops to field as the Germans. And because they were invaders their supply lines were stretched thin and easily broken.
>

To have a better grasp, read current military analysis,
besides theory, for a few years. Or more.

Retired US military are quite knowledgeable and talented in
after action analysis all over the world and their insights
are mostly free online. Enhance that with the occasional
hardcover and you'll get a better feel for the assets,
maintenance, development programs, training, logistics,
retention rates and morale of the players in any given theater.

Even so, uncertainties, timing, fortune all play an outsize
role so humility in analysis helps as well.

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<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/15/2022 1:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 12:00:03 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:59:42 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:24:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well... people pay some rather astonishing prices for some rather
>>>> (would one say) strange things sold for large sums of money :-)
>>>> https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/103797/weirdest-things-sold-at-auction-for-millions/
>>>
>>> <https://www.foxnews.com/science/got-250000-earliest-known-10-commandments-inscription-up-for-auction>
>>> The bidding started at $250,000 and it eventually sold for $850,000.
>>> The video adds some interesting details.
>>>
>>> "How to Make a Replica of the Ten Commandements on Fake Stone Tablets"
>>> <https://www.ehow.com/how_5695382_make-commandements-fake-stone-tablets.html>
>>>
>>> "The Mysterious Rocks from Mount Sinai"
>>> <https://dafyomireview.com/article.php?docid=528>
>
>> Is the location of the Mt. Sinia, where the Ten Commandments were
>> given to Moses, known?
>
> Nope. Nobody is certain that the biblical Mt Sinai is the same as the
> modern Mt Sinai. There are numerous stories, books, and videos on the
> topic of finding Mt Sinai. For example:
> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mt+sinai+location>
> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=exodus+story>
> The problem is that the description in Exodus does not match with the
> modern location. There are also inconsistencies in the Exodus route,
> location of various biblical cities, biblical timelines, etc. Almost
> everything is in doubt with little help from archaeologists and
> governments. Just about everyone has a personal favorite version of
> the Exodus, including me. The most common alternative location is
> Jebel al-Lawz, which is in the middle of a military zone in Saudi
> Arabia. It's a better match the modern Mt Sinai, but not perfect. Of
> course, the Saudi's are not cooperating.
>
> A problem with building anything in Israel is that it doesn't matter
> where you dig, you're going to find artifacts:
> "Israel to move prison sitting atop earliest mosaic dedicated to
> Jesus"
> <https://www.jpost.com/christianworld/article-702712>
> "This structure is interpreted as the oldest Christian prayer house in
> the world".
>

Not only Israel:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/iraq-ap-baghdad-british-b2079474.html

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On 5/15/2022 1:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:19:38 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> On 5/15/2022 10:37 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
>>>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three
>>>>>> bike rides
>>>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right
>>>>>> side of the
>>>>>> road.
>>>>
>>>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity
>>>> must be rather limited.
>>>>
>>>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had
>>>>> some scary
>>>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
>>>>
>>>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American
>>>> driver!
>>>>
>>>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and
>>>> Hungarian" to become the EU's exclusive official languages,
>>>> to "further strengthen cohesion." Now, I'm more serious
>>>> than ever about it -- because I would not have to bear
>>>> hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
>>>>
>>>
>>> She's very good with manuals- my column or floor shift cars-
>>> as she grew up on tractors. (still calls the throttle pedal
>>> 'foot-feed').
>>>
>>> But typical traveler's signage confusion, complicated by
>>> language and added to ass-backwards intuition is daunting.
>>>
>>> I had the same sorts of troubles cycling in Japan. I read
>>> slowly and with difficulty and in traffic, when a
>>> split-second is critical, I intuitively react wrong.
>>>
>> I avoided cycling in Scotland and London for the brief time I was there for
>> the same reason. You can logically figure out what to do, but all your
>> instincts are completely wrong.
>
> Never depend on the English to EVER do anything obvious. Why would you drive on the left hand side of the road when the overwhelming majority of people are right handed and their instinct is always turn away from their right side?
>

That's learned behavior.

IIRC the English adopted 'everyone stays on this side of the
public way' rules before others. Neither is 'best'.

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On 5/15/2022 12:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> IIRC the English adopted 'everyone stays on this side of the public way'
> rules before others. Neither is 'best'.

The first keep-to-the-right law was passed in Pennsylvania in 1792, with
many Canadian and US states following suit later.

In France a decree of 1792 ordered traffic to keep to the “common” right
and Napoleon later enforced the rule in all French territories.

In the UK, it was not until 1835 that the rule to drive on the left was
adopted into the Highway Act.

If you ever visit South Korea, it is very confusing. They drive on the
right (since 1945), but they still walk on the left. It takes some
getting used to. Also, up escalators are usually to the left and down
escalators are to the right.

I rented a car in Thailand, which has a much more sensible system. While
officially your drive on the left, in reality you drive in the middle
because the road surfaces on the right and the left are so poor (at
least this was the case in Phuket and Krabi).

On Sun, 15 May 2022 14:37:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Not only Israel:
>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/iraq-ap-baghdad-british-b2079474.html

Requires a subscription. This link is free to read:
<https://www.inquirer.com/wires/ap/briton-german-deny-smuggling-antiquities-iraq-court-20220515.html>
""These places, in name and by definition, are ancient sites," Jabir
responded. "One doesn’t have to say it is forbidden."
When Fitton said some of the shards were "no larger than my
fingernail", Jabir said this was not relevant. "Size doesn’t matter,"
he told him."

Seems a rather odd arrest, especially since Iraq is trying to
resurrect their tourist trade. My guess(tm) is that the tourists
forgot or refused to pay the usual baksheesh (bribe). I predict that
some kind of deal will be quickly arranged.

"It’s Disturbingly Easy to Buy Iraq’s Archeological Treasures" (2018)
<https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/iraq-war-archeology-invasion/555200/>
"U.S. forces invaded the country 15 years ago this week and left
behind a booming trade in looted artifacts."

Usually, the dealers are long gone, so they go after the buyers:
"Looted antiquities seized from billionaire returned to Israel "
<https://thehill.com/regulation/business/599282-looted-antiquities-seized-from-billionaire-returned-to-israel/>

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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:32:12 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/15/2022 12:31 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:01:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 5/15/2022 10:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >>>> AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
> >>>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except they
> >>>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three bike rides
> >>>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right side of the
> >>>>>> road.
> >>>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity must be
> >>>> rather limited.
> >>>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had some scary
> >>>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
> >>>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American driver!
> >>>>
> >>>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and Hungarian" to
> >>>> become the EU's exclusive official languages, to "further strengthen
> >>>> cohesion." Now, I'm more serious than ever about it -- because I would
> >>>> not have to bear hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
> >>>
> >>> Seriously, I am quite surprised that Germany would remain in an EU that is anything other than military cooperation should that ever become necessary. I think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine has shown that will probably never become even a viable option for the Russians. Against even the Germans, Russia would not become helpless unless it was Germany invading Russia where every Russian then becomes a defender. Clearly offense is much harder than defense so Germany who have learned a very hard lesson could stop anything short of a nuclear exchange with ease.
> >>>
> >> They took a miserable 2d Place to the Red Army last time.
> >>
> >> Too many factors to call it either way.
> >
> > Andrew, at that time the Germans were invaders and not defenders. In cases like that history tells us that the invading force must have an overwhelming majority and the Ukraine has shown us that they do not. Let's remember that the Ukraine has inflicted heavy loses on the Russians despite being led by a somewhat corrupt TV actor. He and his generals have caused complete retreat of the Russians from their capital city and presently the Russians are suffering heavy loses trying to find a pathway to the Sea of Azov. Plus, naval forces of Russia are having a lot of trouble as NATO (meaning American) naval forces are flooding that area and restricting access.
> >
> > With that much trouble with a small economically depressed Ukraine, who could Russia possibly do with a military might of Germany, who, if anything, is more powerful than in WW II and with much better generals. The Allies at the time of invasion had 10 times as many troops to field as the Germans. And because they were invaders their supply lines were stretched thin and easily broken.
> >
> To have a better grasp, read current military analysis,
> besides theory, for a few years. Or more.
>
> Retired US military are quite knowledgeable and talented in
> after action analysis all over the world and their insights
> are mostly free online. Enhance that with the occasional
> hardcover and you'll get a better feel for the assets,
> maintenance, development programs, training, logistics,
> retention rates and morale of the players in any given theater.
>
> Even so, uncertainties, timing, fortune all play an outsize
> role so humility in analysis helps as well.

Unless these military officers were in the office of strategic planning their analysis are no better than that of anyone else. People's opinions are only as good as their data and the real data is very tightly controlled. My very good friend worked 30 years in the pentagon and had access to a lot of classified information but there isn't a chance that I would take the information from a Marine as worth any more than from an ambassador.

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:37:51 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/15/2022 1:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 May 2022 12:00:03 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:59:42 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:24:30 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well... people pay some rather astonishing prices for some rather
> >>>> (would one say) strange things sold for large sums of money :-)
> >>>> https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/103797/weirdest-things-sold-at-auction-for-millions/
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.foxnews.com/science/got-250000-earliest-known-10-commandments-inscription-up-for-auction>
> >>> The bidding started at $250,000 and it eventually sold for $850,000.
> >>> The video adds some interesting details.
> >>>
> >>> "How to Make a Replica of the Ten Commandements on Fake Stone Tablets"
> >>> <https://www.ehow.com/how_5695382_make-commandements-fake-stone-tablets.html>
> >>>
> >>> "The Mysterious Rocks from Mount Sinai"
> >>> <https://dafyomireview.com/article.php?docid=528>
> >
> >> Is the location of the Mt. Sinia, where the Ten Commandments were
> >> given to Moses, known?
> >
> > Nope. Nobody is certain that the biblical Mt Sinai is the same as the
> > modern Mt Sinai. There are numerous stories, books, and videos on the
> > topic of finding Mt Sinai. For example:
> > <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mt+sinai+location>
> > <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=exodus+story>
> > The problem is that the description in Exodus does not match with the
> > modern location. There are also inconsistencies in the Exodus route,
> > location of various biblical cities, biblical timelines, etc. Almost
> > everything is in doubt with little help from archaeologists and
> > governments. Just about everyone has a personal favorite version of
> > the Exodus, including me. The most common alternative location is
> > Jebel al-Lawz, which is in the middle of a military zone in Saudi
> > Arabia. It's a better match the modern Mt Sinai, but not perfect. Of
> > course, the Saudi's are not cooperating.
> >
> > A problem with building anything in Israel is that it doesn't matter
> > where you dig, you're going to find artifacts:
> > "Israel to move prison sitting atop earliest mosaic dedicated to
> > Jesus"
> > <https://www.jpost.com/christianworld/article-702712>
> > "This structure is interpreted as the oldest Christian prayer house in
> > the world".
> >
> Not only Israel:
>
> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/iraq-ap-baghdad-british-b2079474.html

I hope that by this time you don't accept anything from the Slime Stream Media as being true or even an attempt at being true, Nothing goes out without being gone through by 2 editors who put out opinion and not fact. If you actually sat in the courtroom and heard it for yourself what do you want to bet that you couldn't recognize that case in these stories?

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:40:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/15/2022 1:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:19:38 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> >> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>> On 5/15/2022 10:37 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >>>> AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
> >>>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three
> >>>>>> bike rides
> >>>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right
> >>>>>> side of the
> >>>>>> road.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity
> >>>> must be rather limited.
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had
> >>>>> some scary
> >>>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
> >>>>
> >>>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American
> >>>> driver!
> >>>>
> >>>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and
> >>>> Hungarian" to become the EU's exclusive official languages,
> >>>> to "further strengthen cohesion." Now, I'm more serious
> >>>> than ever about it -- because I would not have to bear
> >>>> hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> She's very good with manuals- my column or floor shift cars-
> >>> as she grew up on tractors. (still calls the throttle pedal
> >>> 'foot-feed').
> >>>
> >>> But typical traveler's signage confusion, complicated by
> >>> language and added to ass-backwards intuition is daunting.
> >>>
> >>> I had the same sorts of troubles cycling in Japan. I read
> >>> slowly and with difficulty and in traffic, when a
> >>> split-second is critical, I intuitively react wrong.
> >>>
> >> I avoided cycling in Scotland and London for the brief time I was there for
> >> the same reason. You can logically figure out what to do, but all your
> >> instincts are completely wrong.
> >
> > Never depend on the English to EVER do anything obvious. Why would you drive on the left hand side of the road when the overwhelming majority of people are right handed and their instinct is always turn away from their right side?
> >
> That's learned behavior.
>
> IIRC the English adopted 'everyone stays on this side of the
> public way' rules before others. Neither is 'best'.

Andrew, there is a REASON that the entire world save for Britain drives on the right side of the road. It has nothing to do with who did what first but human behavior. In any case of danger you discover yourself attempting to protect your favored side. Since 88-90% of the world is right handed that means that they will turn right. This is not a learned behavior because how often do you get in wrecks?

On 5/15/2022 3:34 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:32:12 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/15/2022 12:31 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:01:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 5/15/2022 10:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
>>>>>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except they
>>>>>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three bike rides
>>>>>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right side of the
>>>>>>>> road.
>>>>>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity must be
>>>>>> rather limited.
>>>>>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had some scary
>>>>>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
>>>>>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American driver!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and Hungarian" to
>>>>>> become the EU's exclusive official languages, to "further strengthen
>>>>>> cohesion." Now, I'm more serious than ever about it -- because I would
>>>>>> not have to bear hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, I am quite surprised that Germany would remain in an EU that is anything other than military cooperation should that ever become necessary. I think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine has shown that will probably never become even a viable option for the Russians. Against even the Germans, Russia would not become helpless unless it was Germany invading Russia where every Russian then becomes a defender. Clearly offense is much harder than defense so Germany who have learned a very hard lesson could stop anything short of a nuclear exchange with ease.
>>>>>
>>>> They took a miserable 2d Place to the Red Army last time.
>>>>
>>>> Too many factors to call it either way.
>>>
>>> Andrew, at that time the Germans were invaders and not defenders. In cases like that history tells us that the invading force must have an overwhelming majority and the Ukraine has shown us that they do not. Let's remember that the Ukraine has inflicted heavy loses on the Russians despite being led by a somewhat corrupt TV actor. He and his generals have caused complete retreat of the Russians from their capital city and presently the Russians are suffering heavy loses trying to find a pathway to the Sea of Azov. Plus, naval forces of Russia are having a lot of trouble as NATO (meaning American) naval forces are flooding that area and restricting access.
>>>
>>> With that much trouble with a small economically depressed Ukraine, who could Russia possibly do with a military might of Germany, who, if anything, is more powerful than in WW II and with much better generals. The Allies at the time of invasion had 10 times as many troops to field as the Germans. And because they were invaders their supply lines were stretched thin and easily broken.
>>>
>> To have a better grasp, read current military analysis,
>> besides theory, for a few years. Or more.
>>
>> Retired US military are quite knowledgeable and talented in
>> after action analysis all over the world and their insights
>> are mostly free online. Enhance that with the occasional
>> hardcover and you'll get a better feel for the assets,
>> maintenance, development programs, training, logistics,
>> retention rates and morale of the players in any given theater.
>>
>> Even so, uncertainties, timing, fortune all play an outsize
>> role so humility in analysis helps as well.
>
> Unless these military officers were in the office of strategic planning their analysis are no better than that of anyone else. People's opinions are only as good as their data and the real data is very tightly controlled. My very good friend worked 30 years in the pentagon and had access to a lot of classified information but there isn't a chance that I would take the information from a Marine as worth any more than from an ambassador.
>

If you recall in early March here I wrote that the Russian
attack would encounter great difficulties as the number of
attacking points was too large for the available resources.
My prime tutors in these matters are a 1990s Army tank
captain and a retired Seal. Both noted the Russia's severe
lack of competent career line officers and noncoms, which
can be disastrous in an army of 2-year conscripts.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:40:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/15/2022 1:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 11:19:38 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> >> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>> On 5/15/2022 10:37 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>> >>>> AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
>> >>>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except
>> >>>>>> they
>> >>>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three
>> >>>>>> bike rides
>> >>>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right
>> >>>>>> side of the
>> >>>>>> road.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity
>> >>>> must be rather limited.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had
>> >>>>> some scary
>> >>>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American
>> >>>> driver!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and
>> >>>> Hungarian" to become the EU's exclusive official languages,
>> >>>> to "further strengthen cohesion." Now, I'm more serious
>> >>>> than ever about it -- because I would not have to bear
>> >>>> hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> She's very good with manuals- my column or floor shift cars-
>> >>> as she grew up on tractors. (still calls the throttle pedal
>> >>> 'foot-feed').
>> >>>
>> >>> But typical traveler's signage confusion, complicated by
>> >>> language and added to ass-backwards intuition is daunting.
>> >>>
>> >>> I had the same sorts of troubles cycling in Japan. I read
>> >>> slowly and with difficulty and in traffic, when a
>> >>> split-second is critical, I intuitively react wrong.
>> >>>
>> >> I avoided cycling in Scotland and London for the brief time I was there for
>> >> the same reason. You can logically figure out what to do, but all your
>> >> instincts are completely wrong.
>> >
>> > Never depend on the English to EVER do anything obvious. Why would
>> > you drive on the left hand side of the road when the overwhelming
>> > majority of people are right handed and their instinct is always
>> > turn away from their right side?
>> >
>> That's learned behavior.
>>
>> IIRC the English adopted 'everyone stays on this side of the
>> public way' rules before others. Neither is 'best'.
>
> Andrew, there is a REASON that the entire world save for Britain
> drives on the right side of the road. It has nothing to do with who
> did what first but human behavior. In any case of danger you discover
> yourself attempting to protect your favored side. Since 88-90% of the
> world is right handed that means that they will turn right. This is
> not a learned behavior because how often do you get in wrecks?

Actually the last country to switch sides (Samoa) switched from right
side to left. They wanted to be able to use vehicles from Australia and
New Zealand.

On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:57:08 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:30:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The most common alternative location is
>>Jebel al-Lawz, which is in the middle of a military zone in Saudi
>>Arabia. It's a better match the modern Mt Sinai, but not perfect. Of
>>course, the Saudi's are not cooperating.
>
>I forgot a URL:
>"A Christian Apologetics Ministry Dedicated to Demonstrating the
>Historical Reliability of the Bible through Archaeological and
>Biblical Research." (2001)
><https://biblearchaeology.org/research/exodus-from-egypt/2264-mount-sinai-is-not-jebel-allawz-in-saudi-arabia>

Or to phrase it a bit differently, "Nobody knows" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 15 May 2022 13:13:18 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/15/2022 12:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> IIRC the English adopted 'everyone stays on this side of the public way'
>> rules before others. Neither is 'best'.
>
>The first keep-to-the-right law was passed in Pennsylvania in 1792, with
>many Canadian and US states following suit later.
>
>In France a decree of 1792 ordered traffic to keep to the “common” right
>and Napoleon later enforced the rule in all French territories.
>
>In the UK, it was not until 1835 that the rule to drive on the left was
>adopted into the Highway Act.
>
>If you ever visit South Korea, it is very confusing. They drive on the
>right (since 1945), but they still walk on the left. It takes some
>getting used to. Also, up escalators are usually to the left and down
>escalators are to the right.
>
>I rented a car in Thailand, which has a much more sensible system. While
>officially your drive on the left, in reality you drive in the middle
>because the road surfaces on the right and the left are so poor (at
>least this was the case in Phuket and Krabi).

When were you in Thailand? I ask as the road from the bridge to Phuket
Town is a 4 lane divided highway.
Photos of roads in the Rawai district of the island.
https://loverawai.com/news/infrastructure_in_rawai/
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:49:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>> AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
>> >> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except they
>> >> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three bike rides
>> >> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right side of the
>> >> road.
>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity must be
>> rather limited.
>> > +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had some scary
>> > moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American driver!
>>
>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and Hungarian" to
>> become the EU's exclusive official languages, to "further strengthen
>> cohesion." Now, I'm more serious than ever about it -- because I would
>> not have to bear hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
>
>Seriously, I am quite surprised that Germany would remain in an EU that is anything other than military cooperation should that ever become necessary. I think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine has shown that will probably never become even a viable option for the Russians. Against even the Germans, Russia would not become helpless unless it was Germany invading Russia where every Russian then becomes a defender. Clearly offense is much harder than defense so Germany who have learned a very hard lesson could stop anything short of a nuclear exchange with ease.

And SHAZAM! Tommy strikes again.
Confusing the EU, a basically commercial association of countries with
NATO a basically military association?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:01:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/15/2022 10:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
>>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except they
>>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three bike rides
>>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right side of the
>>>>> road.
>>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity must be
>>> rather limited.
>>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had some scary
>>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
>>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American driver!
>>>
>>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and Hungarian" to
>>> become the EU's exclusive official languages, to "further strengthen
>>> cohesion." Now, I'm more serious than ever about it -- because I would
>>> not have to bear hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
>>
>> Seriously, I am quite surprised that Germany would remain in an EU that is anything other than military cooperation should that ever become necessary. I think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine has shown that will probably never become even a viable option for the Russians. Against even the Germans, Russia would not become helpless unless it was Germany invading Russia where every Russian then becomes a defender. Clearly offense is much harder than defense so Germany who have learned a very hard lesson could stop anything short of a nuclear exchange with ease.
>>
>
>They took a miserable 2d Place to the Red Army last time.
>
>Too many factors to call it either way.

Has anyone conquered Russia? Well, in the 600 years or so?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:04:32 AM UTC-5, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 4:53:21 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 1:15:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> > > > Like most things from history it is subject to interpretation. As an
> > > > example, the oldest known written copy of the Commandments, on a
> > > > tablet of stone, says "thou shall not commit murder" while many modern
> > > > Christian Bibles say "thou shall not kill". Perhaps subtle but a
> > > > difference never the less.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > John B.
> > > I beg to differ. (I'm splitting hairs here a bit; since you capitalized Commandments I assume you intend to refer to the classic Ten, rather than the 624 total. If not you can weasel out) The Ten Commandments say neither murder nor kill.
> > >
> > > We know there was something called the Ten. We get our Sunday School versions of the Ten from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. However, if you actually look these up, you will notice something strange. First, nowhere do they claim to be the Ten. Second, there is no easy way to get Ten separate commandments out of either text. It just doesn't line up that way. Give them to someone not familiar, and usually they'll see 14 to 19. Try it yourself.
> > >
> > > However, there IS one place in the Old Testament that specifically lists the Ten Commandments and makes the claim. Unfortunately Exodus 34 doesn't contain the usual Ten, other than not making idols and honoring the Sabbath. This is sometimes called the Ritual Decalogue. When Ten Commandments is referred to in scripture, it is always the ritual Ten and not the modern Sunday School Ten.
> > Uh, I hope you know that not too long ago the recovered stone tablets of Moses were found and recent sold for $850,000. There were supposedly ten commandments on it. Rather weather worn but you cannot invent your own religion.
> Every religion was invented. Further, everyone invents their own version.

Agree. Tommy apparently has never been to Utah. Joseph Smith way back in the 1800s invented Mormonism. Then his follower Brigham Young took over the state of Utah. Or got the area of Utah declared a state with Mormons running it. Heck the country of USA is 60 years older than Mormonism as a religion. Its a new religion.

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:31:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:01:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 5/15/2022 10:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> > >> AMuzi wrote:
> > >>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
> > >>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except they
> > >>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three bike rides
> > >>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right side of the
> > >>>> road.
> > >> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity must be
> > >> rather limited.
> > >>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had some scary
> > >>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
> > >> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American driver!
> > >>
> > >> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and Hungarian" to
> > >> become the EU's exclusive official languages, to "further strengthen
> > >> cohesion." Now, I'm more serious than ever about it -- because I would
> > >> not have to bear hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
> > >
> > > Seriously, I am quite surprised that Germany would remain in an EU that is anything other than military cooperation should that ever become necessary. I think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine has shown that will probably never become even a viable option for the Russians. Against even the Germans, Russia would not become helpless unless it was Germany invading Russia where every Russian then becomes a defender. Clearly offense is much harder than defense so Germany who have learned a very hard lesson could stop anything short of a nuclear exchange with ease.
> > >
> > They took a miserable 2d Place to the Red Army last time.
> >
> > Too many factors to call it either way.
> Andrew, at that time the Germans were invaders and not defenders. In cases like that history tells us that the invading force must have an overwhelming majority and the Ukraine has shown us that they do not. Let's remember that the Ukraine has inflicted heavy loses on the Russians despite being led by a somewhat corrupt TV actor.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/03/10/rep-cawthorn-calls-zelenskyy-a-thug-drawing-criticism/
Good to see Tommy boy is keeping up to date on the latest Republican talking point.

> He and his generals have caused complete retreat of the Russians from their capital city and presently the Russians are suffering heavy loses trying to find a pathway to the Sea of Azov.

Ukrainians are also suffering heavy losses. Some people with no understanding at all of war and militaries, seem to think only one side dies. As for a pathway to the sea of Azov, Tommy doesn't seem to comprehend that Russia already surrounds half of the Sea of Azov. They do not need a pathway to the Sea of Azov. They already have one. What they are trying to do is achieve a land only access to Crimea from Russia's borders. Currently their only access to Crimea is by ship on the Black Sea or a bridge over the Strait of Kerch.

> Plus, naval forces of Russia are having a lot of trouble as NATO (meaning American) naval forces are flooding that area and restricting access.

No Tommy. The US Navy nor NATO warships are engaging with Russian ships in the Black Sea. They are in the Black Sea, but are not stopping or attacking Russian ships. And as for the Russian ships, they are not huge in number or usage. They are there for harassment purposes. Not for meaningful combat. The Russians have land access to Ukraine from their own Russian borders and from Belarus up north. They do not need to go through the extremely arduous and costly means of a naval attack.

>
> With that much trouble with a small economically depressed Ukraine, who could Russia possibly do with a military might of Germany, who, if anything, is more powerful than in WW II and with much better generals. The Allies at the time of invasion had 10 times as many troops to field as the Germans. And because they were invaders their supply lines were stretched thin and easily broken.

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:49:55 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 22:02:53 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
> >On 5/14/2022 6:19 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 11:44:09 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 00:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Besides the ignorance, I find it fairly amazing one person can come up with such outlandish things.
> >>> Yep. I noticed that. It takes effort to always be wrong.
> >>
> >> I'm not really talking about the wrong aspect of everything Tommy says.. Which is true of course. Wrong Tommy. But what he is wrong about. Moses Ten Commandments. Environmentalists blowing up oil wells in the Gulf by lighting the off gas on fire. And so many other things I cannot even recall. The imagination Tommy uses to come up with these topics is breathtaking. I believe for pure mental activity, Tommy boy is right up there with Einstein and Tesla and Bell. Of course they thought about useful topics. And Tommy thinks about inane nonsensical topics. But the brain power Tommy puts into these topics is amazing. Of course why, I don't know.
> >
> >There are all sorts of crazy right-wing conspiracy web sites. Pretty
> >sure that's where he gets these topics. He doesn't come up with them
> >himself, he just repeats them. Since he lacks any critical thinking
> >skills, he falls victim to these theories.
> Maybe, but I suspect that there's something more to the problem. Tom
> mangles the facts of just about everything. The conspiracy theory
> sites tend to expound on stories that make some group or party look
> bad. They cover the really big stories, and tend to ignore trivial
> items like how wind turbines work, Campagnolo cables designed to
> stretch, metric Torx drivers, etc. A conspiracy web site would be
> huge if it contained all the wrong information that Tom has posted to
> RBT. I'm sure he has found a few Covid-19 related stories on
> conspiracy sites, but the technical details that I'm constantly
> correcting are unlikely to be found on such web sites.
>
> My guess(tm) is that Tom scrambles the information he gets from web
> pages and media sources and adjusts the information to conform to his
> beliefs. As I mentioned, he had the $850 million selling price
> correct, but mangled the rest of the story. Several other stories in
> the past were somewhat correctly reported, but usually had some
> amazing facts not present in the original added by Tom. The few times
> that Tom has provided a source URL, it usually did not substantiate
> his claims and sometimes had nothing to do with the topic under
> discussion. I don't know where the problem resides, but it seems to
> start with a reading comprehension problem. Maybe he's speed reading
> and has a retention problem.
> >For the ten commandments, a 1500 year old stone inscription was found in
> >1913 and was sold for $850,000 in 2016. Somehow he got the idea that
> >these were the original ten commandments tablets, which of course are
> >unlikely to ever have existed, despite the story in the bible.
> Yep. That's an example of the lack of critical thinking. That's
> largely how I find mistakes in Tom's amazing facts. His stories are
> not self-consistent. I ask myself "If this claim were true, what else
> would I expect to have happened"? For example, when Tom declared that
> wind turbine tip speeds approach supersonic, I asked myself "Where are
> the sonic booms"? When he announced that a crank and a seat post fell
> off during two rides, I asked myself "How could he ride any distance
> without noticing that something was loose"? When he announced that
> the original 10 Commandments had been found, I asked myself "Why would
> Israel allow such an important artifact out of the country and why
> haven't I read about any geological studies linking the stone tablet
> with the rocks found near Mt Sinai"? Basically, an exercise in what
> is missing from the story, which a big part critical thinking.
>
> Also, the "somehow he got the idea..." seems to be that Tom has to put
> his mark on everything he touches. It probably started with
> embellishing his employment history and is currently amazing facts.
> Ignoring graffiti, I've seen this "making one's mark" happen when
> companies merge or hire a new president. The first acts of the new
> regime is to destroy all evidence of their predecessor, and mark
> everything possible with anything possible to identify it as a product
> of the new regime.
>
> Drivel: I've noticed that Tom and others tend to belittle anyone who
> disagrees with them. It's quite easy to recognize who in RBT are
> secure in their background, experience, knowledge, understanding, etc
> and who in RBT are not so secure:
>
> "Understanding Relationships With People Who Put Others Down:
> Psychology Of Bullying"
> <https://www.regain.us/advice/psychology/understanding-relationships-with-people-who-put-others-down-psychology-of-bullying/>
> "Psychology says trauma from childhood, low self-esteem, and
> insecurity are a few major causes."
>
> [ I can't believe that I just wasted 2 hrs writing this rant.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

No no no Jeff. Your explanation does not qualify as a rant.

On 5/15/2022 6:17 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:01:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/15/2022 10:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:28 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> A friend's daughter is working in Ireland right now. I
>>>>>> bet Ireland would be a nice place to ride a bike. Except they
>>>>>> drive/ride on the wrong side of the road. On my three bike rides
>>>>>> in Europe, I was very glad they drove/rode on the right side of the
>>>>>> road.
>>>> Another indication that russ...'s mental operating capacity must be
>>>> rather limited.
>>>>> +1 Between left side and signage in Gaelic, girlfriend had some scary
>>>>> moments driving a rental car in Ireland.
>>>> And not even a stick-shift? What an ill-prepared, American driver!
>>>>
>>>> After Brexit, I ironically expected "Gaelic, Estonian, and Hungarian" to
>>>> become the EU's exclusive official languages, to "further strengthen
>>>> cohesion." Now, I'm more serious than ever about it -- because I would
>>>> not have to bear hearing vonderLeyen speak, but only her interpreters.
>>>
>>> Seriously, I am quite surprised that Germany would remain in an EU that is anything other than military cooperation should that ever become necessary. I think that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine has shown that will probably never become even a viable option for the Russians. Against even the Germans, Russia would not become helpless unless it was Germany invading Russia where every Russian then becomes a defender. Clearly offense is much harder than defense so Germany who have learned a very hard lesson could stop anything short of a nuclear exchange with ease.
>>>
>>
>> They took a miserable 2d Place to the Red Army last time.
>>
>> Too many factors to call it either way.
>
> Has anyone conquered Russia? Well, in the 600 years or so?
>

Besides the Bolsheviks? Not yet.

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