On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> >> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> >> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> >> front brake lever:
> >> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
> >>
> >> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> >> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> >> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> >> that!
> >>
> > In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
> locked when it's parked on a public road.

In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > > On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> > >> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> > >> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> > >> front brake lever:
> > >> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
> > >>
> > >> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> > >> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> > >> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> > >> that!
> > >>
> > > In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
> > My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
> > for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
> > €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
> > locked when it's parked on a public road.
> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.

When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.

On 2/9/2022 9:08 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>>>>> front brake lever:
>>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>>>>> that!
>>>>>
>>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
> Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.
>
> When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.
>

On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are
ridden by men and woman equally.

https://thisbigcity.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/osaka-bicycle.jpg

They don't look girlish, they look urban if not urbane.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 4:42:36 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/9/2022 9:08 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> >>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> >>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> >>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> >>>>> front brake lever:
> >>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> >>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> >>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> >>>>> that!
> >>>>>
> >>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
> >>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
> >>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
> >>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
> >>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
> >> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
> > Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.
> >
> > When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.
> >
> On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are
> ridden by men and woman equally.
>
> https://thisbigcity.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/osaka-bicycle.jpg
>
> They don't look girlish, they look urban if not urbane.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The very popular ‘omafiets’ here is considered more or less an unisex bike. If it wasn’t for the stiffness the diamant frame is much less convenient. The bike I used as a paperboy was a ‘omafiets’. Very easy to hop off and on. It shimmyed like hell with full panniers. But that was fun. You wack the handlebar and there it went.

Lou

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:24:36 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 3:59 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > My commute bike has D lock and cable, this said I don’t use it often but at
> > home. I do live in London which has some safe and some not so safe areas.
> <snip>
>
> Same in most places. Property crime rates vary greatly among California
> cities
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_locations_by_crime_rate#Cities_and_other_agencies>/
Scharf, simply continue to make your comments from a point of ignorance. Los Gatos is a rich are and over 600 property crimes, any of which could lead to acts of violence in a town of 30,000 is a HUGE crime rate in that sort of area. Going down the list for California it is plain to see that the Democrats have decided that the deader the people in their states are the better off their Democrat politicians are. This is exactly why people with money are leaving and taking their businesses with them.

Why don't you try to pass off the bullshit that crime was higher in the 1990's when the population was much smaller and then pretend that crime has been going down as the population in California exploded. Most people are honest and criminals are a limited part of the population. Or were until Gavin Loathsome took over.

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:42:36 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/9/2022 9:08 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> >>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> >>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> >>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> >>>>> front brake lever:
> >>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> >>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> >>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> >>>>> that!
> >>>>>
> >>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
> >>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
> >>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
> >>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
> >>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
> >> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
> > Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.
> >
> > When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.
> >
> On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are
> ridden by men and woman equally.
>
> https://thisbigcity.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/osaka-bicycle.jpg
>
> They don't look girlish, they look urban if not urbane.

Transportation cycling in most of the world is rather foreign to the US marketplace.

On 2/9/2022 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are ridden by men
> and woman equally.
>
> https://thisbigcity.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/osaka-bicycle.jpg
>
> They don't look girlish, they look urban if not urbane.

My wife and I ride near-identical versions of this:
https://a4a6x6h8.stackpathcdn.com/folding-bikes/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2022-NWT-Models-4.jpg

I don't know about "urban" or "urbane." To me, it looks pretty odd. But
it works pretty well!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 09:42:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/9/2022 9:08 AM, William Crowell wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>>>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>>>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>>>>>> front brake lever:
>>>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>>>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>>>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>>>>>> that!
>>>>>>
>>>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>>>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>>>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>>>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>>>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>>> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
>> Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.
>>
>> When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.
>>
>
>On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are
>ridden by men and woman equally.
>
>https://thisbigcity.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/osaka-bicycle.jpg
>
>They don't look girlish, they look urban if not urbane.

Well, when you have the big basket on the front forks and the beer
case strapped on the back it is damned hard to swing your leg over all
that so a "girls bike" is far more practical (:-)

And over here, at least, it is usually the older generation riding to
the market for the daily provisions and as one ages the joints just
aren't as limber as the used to be (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:42:53 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>
> Well, when you have the big basket on the front forks and the beer
> case strapped on the back it is damned hard to swing your leg over all
> that so a "girls bike" is far more practical (:-)
>
> And over here, at least, it is usually the older generation riding to
> the market for the daily provisions and as one ages the joints just
> aren't as limber as the used to be (:-)

My wife and I do a lot of our riding on our tandem. She's begun to have some trouble
swinging her leg high enough to clear a bike's saddle, but it's not a problem on the
tandem. I mount first and steady the bike. She can then put her left foot on the pedal at the
bottom, raising her up a few inches and making that swing easier. I suppose in future years
we can do the same while placing the cranks horizontal instead of vertical, gaining more
advantage if needed.

But for me in the front (or "captain") position, there's no such easy option. I've got to
have my left foot on the ground as kick my leg over my saddle. Or I can use the other
tandem captain's option, to swing my leg forward over the handlebars. (That has the option
of never accidentally kicking my stoker.) But either method requires a fair amount of
flexibility. Fortunately, I haven't yet run into a problem with that.

- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 16:25:06 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:42:53 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>
>> Well, when you have the big basket on the front forks and the beer
>> case strapped on the back it is damned hard to swing your leg over all
>> that so a "girls bike" is far more practical (:-)
>>
>> And over here, at least, it is usually the older generation riding to
>> the market for the daily provisions and as one ages the joints just
>> aren't as limber as the used to be (:-)
>
>My wife and I do a lot of our riding on our tandem. She's begun to have some trouble
>swinging her leg high enough to clear a bike's saddle, but it's not a problem on the
>tandem. I mount first and steady the bike. She can then put her left foot on the pedal at the
>bottom, raising her up a few inches and making that swing easier. I suppose in future years
>we can do the same while placing the cranks horizontal instead of vertical, gaining more
>advantage if needed.
>
>But for me in the front (or "captain") position, there's no such easy option. I've got to
>have my left foot on the ground as kick my leg over my saddle. Or I can use the other
>tandem captain's option, to swing my leg forward over the handlebars. (That has the option
>of never accidentally kicking my stoker.) But either method requires a fair amount of
>flexibility. Fortunately, I haven't yet run into a problem with that.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

But Frank, based on the song Daisy Bell, which seems to date to 1892,
isn't the "girl" supposed to be "in the front"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Daisybell.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w98l2EFR6dE
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 4:55:10 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 16:25:06 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:42:53 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, when you have the big basket on the front forks and the beer
> >> case strapped on the back it is damned hard to swing your leg over all
> >> that so a "girls bike" is far more practical (:-)
> >>
> >> And over here, at least, it is usually the older generation riding to
> >> the market for the daily provisions and as one ages the joints just
> >> aren't as limber as the used to be (:-)
> >
> >My wife and I do a lot of our riding on our tandem. She's begun to have some trouble
> >swinging her leg high enough to clear a bike's saddle, but it's not a problem on the
> >tandem. I mount first and steady the bike. She can then put her left foot on the pedal at the
> >bottom, raising her up a few inches and making that swing easier. I suppose in future years
> >we can do the same while placing the cranks horizontal instead of vertical, gaining more
> >advantage if needed.
> >
> >But for me in the front (or "captain") position, there's no such easy option. I've got to
> >have my left foot on the ground as kick my leg over my saddle. Or I can use the other
> >tandem captain's option, to swing my leg forward over the handlebars. (That has the option
> >of never accidentally kicking my stoker.) But either method requires a fair amount of
> >flexibility. Fortunately, I haven't yet run into a problem with that.
> >
> >- Frank Krygowski
> But Frank, based on the song Daisy Bell, which seems to date to 1892,
> isn't the "girl" supposed to be "in the front"?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Daisybell.jpg
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w98l2EFR6dE
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.
Those were the days! It gave the guys a nice view. ;-)

- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:22:55 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
> > possible, shops elsewhere.
> > http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
> When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to take my bike
> into the workplace.

I commuted to work at an office building. It was out in the suburbs. Casual business dress for employees. Polo style shirts and Docker pants. Roughly for the men. I was the only bike commuter in the building of about 200 or so people. I parked the bike outside in the small bike rack. Never even thought about bringing it inside. Of course it was also a single speed old 1970s bike so no need to even consider protecting it. Besides a cable lock during the work day. Building/bike had no people going by it to see, steal, the bike.

The only exception was a year-long temporary
> assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too far to bike
> anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID passes each morning,
> so were pretty strict in general.
>
> I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed to take the bike
> in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike for me.
>
> I remember wondering about this issue when I started teaching at this
> university. Another faculty member who also rode to work advised me
> "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
>
> However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to bike to school.
> For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not let him stash his
> bike in his father's office. I think the logic was something like "If we
> let one student take his bike indoors, all the other students will want
> to do that."
>
> But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary - instead of
> permission.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:53:59 AM UTC-6, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > > On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> > >> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> > >> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> > >> front brake lever:
> > >> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
> > >>
> > >> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> > >> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> > >> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> > >> that!
> > >>
> > > In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
> > My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
> > for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
> > €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
> > locked when it's parked on a public road.
> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.

Agree. Last year my brother locked the keys in the Ford 150. After screaming and moaning and cursing, he found a metal coat hanger, unwound it and stuck it down into the door by the glass and door handle. He was able to unlock the door. I would guess he saw someone where he used to work do the same thing after locking keys in the car. So unlocking cars seems to be fairly easy. With or without keys.

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/9/2022 9:08 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> >>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> >>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> >>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> >>>>> front brake lever:
> >>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> >>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> >>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> >>>>> that!
> >>>>>
> >>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
> >>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
> >>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
> >>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
> >>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
> >> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
> > Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.
> >
> > When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.
> >
> On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are
> ridden by men and woman equally.

I would guess "most of this earth" excludes the USA.

>
> https://thisbigcity.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/osaka-bicycle.jpg
>
> They don't look girlish, they look urban if not urbane.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 19:57:25 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/9/2022 9:08 AM, William Crowell wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> >>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>> >>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>> >>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>> >>>>> front brake lever:
>> >>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>> >>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>> >>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>> >>>>> that!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>> >>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>> >>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>> >>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>> >>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>> >> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
>> > Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.
>> >
>> > When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.
>> >
>> On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are
>> ridden by men and woman equally.
>
>I would guess "most of this earth" excludes the USA.
>
Here, Thailand, I can't remember ever seeing a "urban" bike that had a
top tube. Sure we have guys all dressed up in the shorts, shoes and
jersey riding the multi speed bikes down the highway but a chap off to
the market for the groceries? Always a "step through".

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/9/2022 9:54 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:53:59 AM UTC-6, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>>>>> front brake lever:
>>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>>>>> that!
>>>>>
>>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
>
> Agree. Last year my brother locked the keys in the Ford 150. After screaming and moaning and cursing, he found a metal coat hanger, unwound it and stuck it down into the door by the glass and door handle. He was able to unlock the door. I would guess he saw someone where he used to work do the same thing after locking keys in the car. So unlocking cars seems to be fairly easy. With or without keys.
>

+1.
I once had a business partner who chronically locked herself
out of her CRX. After walking over to the library to peruse
the door diagram*, opening the locks was simple.

There is another effective deterrent:
https://tiremeetsroad.com/2020/06/12/would-be-carjackers-in-daly-city-thwarted-by-dodge-challenger-manual-transmission/

couple of those every week.

*pre InterWebs

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/9/2022 11:57 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 19:57:25 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2022 9:08 AM, William Crowell wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>>>>>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>>>>>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>>>>>>>> front brake lever:
>>>>>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>>>>>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>>>>>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>>>>>>>> that!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>>>>>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>>>>>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>>>>>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>>>>>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>>>>> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
>>>> Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.
>>>>
>>>> When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.
>>>>
>>> On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are
>>> ridden by men and woman equally.
>>
>> I would guess "most of this earth" excludes the USA.
>>
> Here, Thailand, I can't remember ever seeing a "urban" bike that had a
> top tube. Sure we have guys all dressed up in the shorts, shoes and
> jersey riding the multi speed bikes down the highway but a chap off to
> the market for the groceries? Always a "step through".
>

+1
From the quotable Mr Berra, "You can see a lot by just
looking."

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:57:28 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/9/2022 9:08 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:53:59 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > >>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > >>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> > >>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> > >>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> > >>>>> front brake lever:
> > >>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> > >>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> > >>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> > >>>>> that!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
> > >>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
> > >>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
> > >>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
> > >>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
> > >> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
> > > Yes, this girl's bike is getting a bit rusty, so I think next time I sandblast, it really wouldn't be too much trouble to take it down to bare metal, inspect the lugs, see if the head tube stampings remain legible after blasting, fillet-braze in a top tube and paint it with single-stage urethane over epoxy primer.
> > >
> > > When I was a kid there were constant apocryphal stories about a boy being given a free bike, and getting all excited over it, only to find out to his great disappointment that it was a girl's bike. Did this appear in the Beverly Cleary book, "Henry and Beezus" or something? I can't remember for sure. In any event, it was every boy's nightmare scenario.
> > >
> > On most of this earth, urban bicycles with open frame are
> > ridden by men and woman equally.
> I would guess "most of this earth" excludes the USA.

This is because most of the US workers live pretty far away from their jobs and the commute would be nearly impossible. But if I wanted to have an appointment with my neurologist, who is 25 miles away, before this lockdown bullshit, it would have been faster for me to commute to his office on a bicycle than fight the commute traffic that used to be going to Silicon Valley. Now Silicon Valley no longer exists.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:37:02 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/9/2022 9:54 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:53:59 AM UTC-6, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>>>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>>>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>>>>>> front brake lever:
>>>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>>>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>>>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>>>>>> that!
>>>>>>
>>>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>>>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>>>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>>>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>>>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>>> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
>>
>> Agree. Last year my brother locked the keys in the Ford 150. After screaming and moaning and cursing, he found a metal coat hanger, unwound it and stuck it down into the door by the glass and door handle. He was able to unlock the door. I would guess he saw someone where he used to work do the same thing after locking keys in the car. So unlocking cars seems to be fairly easy. With or without keys.
>>
>
>+1.
>I once had a business partner who chronically locked herself
>out of her CRX. After walking over to the library to peruse
>the door diagram*, opening the locks was simple.
>
>There is another effective deterrent:
>https://tiremeetsroad.com/2020/06/12/would-be-carjackers-in-daly-city-thwarted-by-dodge-challenger-manual-transmission/
>
>couple of those every week.
>
>*pre InterWebs

Yes a very exotic and complex device - manual shift (:-)

It must be 30 years, or so, ago that I attempted to buy a new Toyota
sedan, in Bangkok, with manual shift and was told that "perhaps one
could be special ordered..."
I even have a 25 year old Isuzu pickup with auto.

Rather like the crank to start the motor. The younger generation is
too effete to manage (:-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/10/2022 4:40 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:37:02 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/9/2022 9:54 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:53:59 AM UTC-6, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>>>>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>>>>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>>>>>>> front brake lever:
>>>>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>>>>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>>>>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>>>>>>> that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>>>>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>>>>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>>>>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>>>>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>>>> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
>>>
>>> Agree. Last year my brother locked the keys in the Ford 150. After screaming and moaning and cursing, he found a metal coat hanger, unwound it and stuck it down into the door by the glass and door handle. He was able to unlock the door. I would guess he saw someone where he used to work do the same thing after locking keys in the car. So unlocking cars seems to be fairly easy. With or without keys.
>>>
>>
>> +1.
>> I once had a business partner who chronically locked herself
>> out of her CRX. After walking over to the library to peruse
>> the door diagram*, opening the locks was simple.
>>
>> There is another effective deterrent:
>> https://tiremeetsroad.com/2020/06/12/would-be-carjackers-in-daly-city-thwarted-by-dodge-challenger-manual-transmission/
>>
>> couple of those every week.
>>
>> *pre InterWebs
>
> Yes a very exotic and complex device - manual shift (:-)
>
> It must be 30 years, or so, ago that I attempted to buy a new Toyota
> sedan, in Bangkok, with manual shift and was told that "perhaps one
> could be special ordered..."
> I even have a 25 year old Isuzu pickup with auto.
>
> Rather like the crank to start the motor. The younger generation is
> too effete to manage (:-)
>

Back to bicycles, same for adjustable-spring-tension rear
changers, pressed steel crank pins etc.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 17:32:40 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/10/2022 4:40 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:37:02 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/9/2022 9:54 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:53:59 AM UTC-6, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>>>>>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>>>>>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>>>>>>>> front brake lever:
>>>>>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>>>>>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>>>>>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>>>>>>>> that!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>>>>>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>>>>>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>>>>>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>>>>>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>>>>> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
>>>>
>>>> Agree. Last year my brother locked the keys in the Ford 150. After screaming and moaning and cursing, he found a metal coat hanger, unwound it and stuck it down into the door by the glass and door handle. He was able to unlock the door. I would guess he saw someone where he used to work do the same thing after locking keys in the car. So unlocking cars seems to be fairly easy. With or without keys.
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1.
>>> I once had a business partner who chronically locked herself
>>> out of her CRX. After walking over to the library to peruse
>>> the door diagram*, opening the locks was simple.
>>>
>>> There is another effective deterrent:
>>> https://tiremeetsroad.com/2020/06/12/would-be-carjackers-in-daly-city-thwarted-by-dodge-challenger-manual-transmission/
>>>
>>> couple of those every week.
>>>
>>> *pre InterWebs
>>
>> Yes a very exotic and complex device - manual shift (:-)
>>
>> It must be 30 years, or so, ago that I attempted to buy a new Toyota
>> sedan, in Bangkok, with manual shift and was told that "perhaps one
>> could be special ordered..."
>> I even have a 25 year old Isuzu pickup with auto.
>>
>> Rather like the crank to start the motor. The younger generation is
>> too effete to manage (:-)
>>
>
>Back to bicycles, same for adjustable-spring-tension rear
>changers, pressed steel crank pins etc.

Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
One time use only (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 17:32:40 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2022 4:40 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:37:02 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/9/2022 9:54 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:53:59 AM UTC-6, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:52:28 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>>>>>>>>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>>>>>>>>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>>>>>>>>> front brake lever:
>>>>>>>>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>>>>>>>>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>>>>>>>>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>>>>>>>>> that!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.
>>>>>>> My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
>>>>>>> for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
>>>>>>> €20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
>>>>>>> locked when it's parked on a public road.
>>>>>> In the US they get around that by calling car theft "unauthorized use" in most cases - usually reserved for kids joy-riding with no intent on reselling or chopping the car. Still, it seems a bit ridiculous to mandate locking your car. If a legit car thief wants to get into the car, locking it is but a small deterrent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree. Last year my brother locked the keys in the Ford 150. After screaming and moaning and cursing, he found a metal coat hanger, unwound it and stuck it down into the door by the glass and door handle. He was able to unlock the door. I would guess he saw someone where he used to work do the same thing after locking keys in the car. So unlocking cars seems to be fairly easy. With or without keys.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1.
>>>> I once had a business partner who chronically locked herself
>>>> out of her CRX. After walking over to the library to peruse
>>>> the door diagram*, opening the locks was simple.
>>>>
>>>> There is another effective deterrent:
>>>> https://tiremeetsroad.com/2020/06/12/would-be-carjackers-in-daly-city-thwarted-by-dodge-challenger-manual-transmission/
>>>>
>>>> couple of those every week.
>>>>
>>>> *pre InterWebs
>>>
>>> Yes a very exotic and complex device - manual shift (:-)
>>>
>>> It must be 30 years, or so, ago that I attempted to buy a new Toyota
>>> sedan, in Bangkok, with manual shift and was told that "perhaps one
>>> could be special ordered..."
>>> I even have a 25 year old Isuzu pickup with auto.
>>>
>>> Rather like the crank to start the motor. The younger generation is
>>> too effete to manage (:-)
>>>
>>
>> Back to bicycles, same for adjustable-spring-tension rear
>> changers, pressed steel crank pins etc.
>
> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> One time use only (:-)
>

Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
and complete the first time.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >
> >
> > Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> > that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> > I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> > One time use only (:-)
> >
> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> and complete the first time.

I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
the usual alternatives.

- Frank Krygowski

On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>
>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>> and complete the first time.
>
>
> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> the usual alternatives.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>
Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
mostly a lost art.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:22:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> >>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> >>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them..
> >>> One time use only (:-)
> >>>
> >> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> >> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> >> and complete the first time.
> >
> >
> > I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> > the usual alternatives.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
> mostly a lost art.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
I remember, when I was a kid, trying to pound crank cotters out with a hammer, thereby learning the hard way that you need to use a press. And not only is it getting hard to find anyone who knows what a uni-syn is, it is difficult to find anyone to work on carburetors at all. I was therefore forced to learn more than I ever wanted to know about how to tune up my Porsche 356, and how to keep the Thermoquads working correctly on my Mopars.