On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> > > that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> > > I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> > > One time use only (:-)
> > >
> > Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> > subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> > and complete the first time.
> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> the usual alternatives.

So you take an example of Andrew saying that was a workable solution (which was also very cheap) and tell us he said that it was BETTER than newer splined and expensive solutions? You never cease to amaze.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:52:15 AM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:22:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> > >>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> > >>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> > >>> One time use only (:-)
> > >>>
> > >> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> > >> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> > >> and complete the first time.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> > > the usual alternatives.
> > >
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
> > in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
> > mostly a lost art.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> I remember, when I was a kid, trying to pound crank cotters out with a hammer, thereby learning the hard way that you need to use a press. And not only is it getting hard to find anyone who knows what a uni-syn is, it is difficult to find anyone to work on carburetors at all. I was therefore forced to learn more than I ever wanted to know about how to tune up my Porsche 356, and how to keep the Thermoquads working correctly on my Mopars.

Look has returned to the one-piece crankset. So it isn't as if the idea was bad - only the application.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> > > > that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> > > > I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> > > > One time use only (:-)
> > > >
> > > Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> > > subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> > > and complete the first time.
> > I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> > the usual alternatives.
> So you take an example of Andrew saying that was a workable solution (which was also very cheap) and tell us he said that it was BETTER than newer splined and expensive solutions? You never cease to amaze.

No, Tom, that's not at ALL what I said. Sheesh!

If your wife won't talk to you, is there some neighborhood kid who can help you understand
what you read?

If you can't afford to hire that help, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be willing to
chip in. Just let us know.

- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:20:26 AM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> > > > > that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> > > > > I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> > > > > One time use only (:-)
> > > > >
> > > > Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> > > > subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> > > > and complete the first time.
> > > I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> > > the usual alternatives.
> > So you take an example of Andrew saying that was a workable solution (which was also very cheap) and tell us he said that it was BETTER than newer splined and expensive solutions? You never cease to amaze.
> No, Tom, that's not at ALL what I said. Sheesh!
>
> If your wife won't talk to you, is there some neighborhood kid who can help you understand
> what you read?
>
> If you can't afford to hire that help, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be willing to
> chip in. Just let us know.

Frank you don't even know what you said. You're the one who should ask your wife to explain to you what you write. Andrew never said nor hinted that tapered pin cranks were better than the modern alternative. He said that they were useable. So why did you ignorantly write "I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than the usual alternatives." Or is your use of English so poor that you don't even understand that?

On 2/11/2022 12:00 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:20:26 AM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>>>> the usual alternatives.
>>> So you take an example of Andrew saying that was a workable solution (which was also very cheap) and tell us he said that it was BETTER than newer splined and expensive solutions? You never cease to amaze.
>> No, Tom, that's not at ALL what I said. Sheesh!
>>
>> If your wife won't talk to you, is there some neighborhood kid who can help you understand
>> what you read?
>>
>> If you can't afford to hire that help, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be willing to
>> chip in. Just let us know.
>
> Frank you don't even know what you said. You're the one who should ask your wife to explain to you what you write. Andrew never said nor hinted that tapered pin cranks were better than the modern alternative. He said that they were useable. So why did you ignorantly write "I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than the usual alternatives." Or is your use of English so poor that you don't even understand that?

Can anyone here explain this matter to Tom? I can't bring myself to try.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:19:01 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/11/2022 12:00 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:20:26 AM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> >>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> >>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> >>>>>> One time use only (:-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> >>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> >>>>> and complete the first time.
> >>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> >>>> the usual alternatives.
> >>> So you take an example of Andrew saying that was a workable solution (which was also very cheap) and tell us he said that it was BETTER than newer splined and expensive solutions? You never cease to amaze.
> >> No, Tom, that's not at ALL what I said. Sheesh!
> >>
> >> If your wife won't talk to you, is there some neighborhood kid who can help you understand
> >> what you read?
> >>
> >> If you can't afford to hire that help, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be willing to
> >> chip in. Just let us know.
> >
> > Frank you don't even know what you said. You're the one who should ask your wife to explain to you what you write. Andrew never said nor hinted that tapered pin cranks were better than the modern alternative. He said that they were useable. So why did you ignorantly write "I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than the usual alternatives." Or is your use of English so poor that you don't even understand that?
> Can anyone here explain this matter to Tom? I can't bring myself to try.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

You misunderstood Andrew, made a stupid response and can't bring yourself to admit it. That seems to be your entire life in a nutshell.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:19:01 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/11/2022 12:00 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:20:26 AM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> >>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> >>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> >>>>>> One time use only (:-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> >>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> >>>>> and complete the first time.
> >>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> >>>> the usual alternatives.
> >>> So you take an example of Andrew saying that was a workable solution (which was also very cheap) and tell us he said that it was BETTER than newer splined and expensive solutions? You never cease to amaze.
> >> No, Tom, that's not at ALL what I said. Sheesh!
> >>
> >> If your wife won't talk to you, is there some neighborhood kid who can help you understand
> >> what you read?
> >>
> >> If you can't afford to hire that help, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be willing to
> >> chip in. Just let us know.
> >
> > Frank you don't even know what you said. You're the one who should ask your wife to explain to you what you write. Andrew never said nor hinted that tapered pin cranks were better than the modern alternative. He said that they were useable. So why did you ignorantly write "I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than the usual alternatives." Or is your use of English so poor that you don't even understand that?
> Can anyone here explain this matter to Tom? I can't bring myself to try.
>

We could try to explain that you were simply making a conversational comment.
We could also try to explain the importance of the word 'usual' in that comment.
We could also try to explain that Andrew subsequently agreed with you when he responded with "Overall they are not. "
I think we all know however that it would be an effort in futility, no matter how many times or whomever did the explaining, to such an extent that it would reflect an Einsteinian definition of insanity directed back on whomever would try. The best we could hope for is that he wouldn't respond, sort of like the fact that he still hasn't acknowledged that there is no such thing as Special Campagnolo Non-Stretch Cables.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>
>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>> and complete the first time.
>>
>>
>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>> the usual alternatives.
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>mostly a lost art.

Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
Roarrrrr?

Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:10:35 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:19:01 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/11/2022 12:00 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:20:26 AM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>> >>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>> >>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>> >>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>> >>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>> >>>>> and complete the first time.
>> >>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>> >>>> the usual alternatives.
>> >>> So you take an example of Andrew saying that was a workable solution (which was also very cheap) and tell us he said that it was BETTER than newer splined and expensive solutions? You never cease to amaze.
>> >> No, Tom, that's not at ALL what I said. Sheesh!
>> >>
>> >> If your wife won't talk to you, is there some neighborhood kid who can help you understand
>> >> what you read?
>> >>
>> >> If you can't afford to hire that help, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be willing to
>> >> chip in. Just let us know.
>> >
>> > Frank you don't even know what you said. You're the one who should ask your wife to explain to you what you write. Andrew never said nor hinted that tapered pin cranks were better than the modern alternative. He said that they were useable. So why did you ignorantly write "I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than the usual alternatives." Or is your use of English so poor that you don't even understand that?
>> Can anyone here explain this matter to Tom? I can't bring myself to try.
>>
>
>We could try to explain that you were simply making a conversational comment.
>We could also try to explain the importance of the word 'usual' in that comment.
>We could also try to explain that Andrew subsequently agreed with you when he responded with "Overall they are not. "
>I think we all know however that it would be an effort in futility, no matter how many times or whomever did the explaining, to such an extent that it would reflect an Einsteinian definition of insanity directed back on whomever would try. The best we could hope for is that he wouldn't respond, sort of like the fact that he still hasn't acknowledged that there is no such thing as Special Campagnolo Non-Stretch Cables.

Are you saying that RBT's very own Walter Mitty Kunich is off and
running with another of his fantasies?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/11/2022 4:42 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>
>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>>> the usual alternatives.
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>> mostly a lost art.
>
> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
> Roarrrrr?
>
> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
>

You miss the magnitude of the problem. Ask anyone under 30
to sharpen a blade.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:22:49 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> >>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> >>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them..
> >>> One time use only (:-)
> >>>
> >> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> >> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> >> and complete the first time.
> >
> >
> > I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> > the usual alternatives.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
> mostly a lost art.

In my much younger Motorhead days I dated a woman who was a rather talented hands on mechanic. She had a 1972 MGB convertible that she had mounted dual side-draft webers. Anyone who knows of these systems understands not only the linkage synchronization, but also the fact that they tended to foul regularly. She and I were going to a club in boston one night, and the car started acting up. Without hesitation she pulled over into a gas station, whipped out the tools and commenced to opening up the carburetors. I should mention at this point that this was 1982 and we were going clubbing, so she was wearing a leopard print minidress. It was quite a sight, with her bent over under the hood working on the engine. I remember a couple of guys walked by and looked with surprise at her leopard print backside over the fender and gave a look of disapproval at me in the passenger seat. I remember saying "Unless you guys know how to tear down a weber side draft I suggest you keep moving". Interesting side note - we dropped by a local speed-shop once to pick up a new set of brake rotors for her. One of the mechanics shook my hand and said (classic new england accent) "Shes the only woman I evah met that can catch second geah rubbah".

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:50:08 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:10:35 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >We could try to explain that you were simply making a conversational comment.
> >We could also try to explain the importance of the word 'usual' in that comment.
> >We could also try to explain that Andrew subsequently agreed with you when he responded with "Overall they are not. "
> >I think we all know however that it would be an effort in futility, no matter how many times or whomever did the explaining, to such an extent that it would reflect an Einsteinian definition of insanity directed back on whomever would try. The best we could hope for is that he wouldn't respond, sort of like the fact that he still hasn't acknowledged that there is no such thing as Special Campagnolo Non-Stretch Cables.
> Are you saying that RBT's very own Walter Mitty Kunich is off and
> running with another of his fantasies?

This isn't a case of Mitty-ism, just everyday run-of-the-mill abject stupidity

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:40:28 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/11/2022 4:42 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> >>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> >>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> >>>>> One time use only (:-)
> >>>>>
> >>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> >>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> >>>> and complete the first time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> >>> the usual alternatives.
> >>>
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>
> >> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
> >> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
> >> mostly a lost art.
> >
> > Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
> > multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
> > Roarrrrr?
> >
> > Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
> >
> You miss the magnitude of the problem. Ask anyone under 30
> to sharpen a blade.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Sharpen a blade? I am not under 30, but I know how to sharpen all the blades I interact with. Lawnmower, chisel, hand plane, wood turning. All need sharpening. I generally use white aluminum oxide grinding wheels (8"x1"), sandpaper on a belt sander (4"x24") and sandpaper on a disk (8") grits from 80 up to 600, whetstones, diamond stones, strops. Unfortunately it seems everything that needs sharpening needs a different method to get it optimally sharpened. Lawnmower blade gets the belt sander. Chisels and planes get the disk sander and stones and strops. Turning tools get the grinding wheels. I don't sharpen knives. But I'd probably start them on the disk and finish them on the stones and strop.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:00:51 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:20:26 AM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> > > > > > that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> > > > > > I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> > > > > > One time use only (:-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> > > > > subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> > > > > and complete the first time.
> > > > I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> > > > the usual alternatives.
> > > So you take an example of Andrew saying that was a workable solution (which was also very cheap) and tell us he said that it was BETTER than newer splined and expensive solutions? You never cease to amaze.
> > No, Tom, that's not at ALL what I said. Sheesh!
> >
> > If your wife won't talk to you, is there some neighborhood kid who can help you understand
> > what you read?
> >
> > If you can't afford to hire that help, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be willing to
> > chip in. Just let us know.
> Frank you don't even know what you said. You're the one who should ask your wife to explain to you what you write. Andrew never said nor hinted that tapered pin cranks were better than the modern alternative. He said that they were useable. So why did you ignorantly write "I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than the usual alternatives." Or is your use of English so poor that you don't even understand that?

Tommy, just to explain things to you, not that it will do any good, but you are the one who talked about modern methods of attaching the crank arms and bottom bracket. YOU, YOu, You, you. Frank compared the hammer in pin method to other methods used at the same time the hammer in pin method was used. He questioned whether the hammer in pin method was better than other 1940s, 1950s methods of attaching crank arms to bottom brackets. I have seen pictures as depicted in the link prior in this thread, but I am unaware of how they worked or what else was being used at the time. I consider it irrelevant today. Kind of like how ancient matchlock rifles worked. Or even how flintlock rifles worked. Not relevant to today. YOU are the one who added in the pointless controversy of comparing hammer in cotter pins to modern, current ways of attaching cranks to bottom brackets. You, you, you.

On 2/11/2022 5:42 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>
>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>>> the usual alternatives.
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>> mostly a lost art.
>
> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
> Roarrrrr?
>
> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.

Um... You're not mistaking "carbs" for playing cards in one's spokes,
are you?

Andrew's talking about carburetors.

Those of us with boxer engines do have to keep multiple carburetors
synchronized. In my case, two of them.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/11/2022 6:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/11/2022 5:42 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi
>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8,
>>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided
>>>>>> tapered pins
>>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the
>>>>>> retaining nut?
>>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out
>>>>>> usually ruined them.
>>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those
>>>> cotter pins were better than
>>>> the usual alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>>> mostly a lost art.
>>
>> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can
>> understand but
>> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going
>> Roarrrr,
>> Roarrrrr?
>>
>> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
>
> Um... You're not mistaking "carbs" for playing cards in
> one's spokes, are you?
>
> Andrew's talking about carburetors.
>
> Those of us with boxer engines do have to keep multiple
> carburetors synchronized. In my case, two of them.
>

YOLO! Change the heads and add the other two!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:40:23 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/11/2022 4:42 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>>>> the usual alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>>> mostly a lost art.
>>
>> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
>> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
>> Roarrrrr?
>>
>> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
>>
>
>You miss the magnitude of the problem. Ask anyone under 30
>to sharpen a blade.

On the other hand I've got a friend, about 80 years old I'd imagine,
and sending e-mail is a task that he has his daughter help him with
(:-)

But sharpening a knife or other edged device? Why, you just take them
to the knife sharpening shop, don't you (:-?)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/11/2022 8:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/11/2022 6:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/11/2022 5:42 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi
>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8,
>>>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided
>>>>>>> tapered pins
>>>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the
>>>>>>> retaining nut?
>>>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out
>>>>>>> usually ruined them.
>>>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those
>>>>> cotter pins were better than
>>>>> the usual alternatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>
>>>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>>>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>>>> mostly a lost art.
>>>
>>> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can
>>> understand but
>>> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going
>>> Roarrrr,
>>> Roarrrrr?
>>>
>>> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
>>
>> Um... You're not mistaking "carbs" for playing cards in
>> one's spokes, are you?
>>
>> Andrew's talking about carburetors.
>>
>> Those of us with boxer engines do have to keep multiple
>> carburetors synchronized. In my case, two of them.
>>
>
> YOLO! Change the heads and add the other two!

Sorry, Andrew, I already had one of those, with four carbs to sync.
I was referring to my BMW R75/5.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:53:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/11/2022 5:42 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>>>> the usual alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>>> mostly a lost art.
>>
>> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
>> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
>> Roarrrrr?
>>
>> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
>
>Um... You're not mistaking "carbs" for playing cards in one's spokes,
>are you?
>
>Andrew's talking about carburetors.
>
>Those of us with boxer engines do have to keep multiple carburetors
>synchronized. In my case, two of them.

I had a MG-B with twin carbs, SU I think, and frankly I don't remember
a great deal of problems with them. From memory they were rather
sensitive to the lubricant used in the "piston assembly" (or whatever
you call it) but other then that I don't remember a lot of trouble.'

As for "boxer" - we called them "horizontal opposed" in airplanes. I
thought that the modern versions used direct fuel injection?

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/11/2022 7:37 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:40:23 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/11/2022 4:42 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>>>>> the usual alternatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>
>>>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>>>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>>>> mostly a lost art.
>>>
>>> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
>>> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
>>> Roarrrrr?
>>>
>>> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
>>>
>>
>> You miss the magnitude of the problem. Ask anyone under 30
>> to sharpen a blade.
>
> On the other hand I've got a friend, about 80 years old I'd imagine,
> and sending e-mail is a task that he has his daughter help him with
> (:-)
>
> But sharpening a knife or other edged device? Why, you just take them
> to the knife sharpening shop, don't you (:-?)
>

Sad to say, I know grown men who throw away drill bits and
buy a new one because they cannot sharpen one. I'm not
making this up.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/11/2022 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:53:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/11/2022 5:42 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
>>>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
>>>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
>>>>>>> One time use only (:-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
>>>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
>>>>>> and complete the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
>>>>> the usual alternatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>
>>>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
>>>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
>>>> mostly a lost art.
>>>
>>> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
>>> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
>>> Roarrrrr?
>>>
>>> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
>>
>> Um... You're not mistaking "carbs" for playing cards in one's spokes,
>> are you?
>>
>> Andrew's talking about carburetors.
>>
>> Those of us with boxer engines do have to keep multiple carburetors
>> synchronized. In my case, two of them.
>
> I had a MG-B with twin carbs, SU I think, and frankly I don't remember
> a great deal of problems with them. From memory they were rather
> sensitive to the lubricant used in the "piston assembly" (or whatever
> you call it) but other then that I don't remember a lot of trouble.'
>
> As for "boxer" - we called them "horizontal opposed" in airplanes. I
> thought that the modern versions used direct fuel injection?
>
>

It's called a 'dashpot'.

Right you are. A Corvair flat-six (auto or aero cam) is not
a 'boxer'.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/there-s-a-big-difference-between-a-boxer-and-flat-engine-85305.html

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:09:22 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/11/2022 7:37 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:40:23 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/11/2022 4:42 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:22:45 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/10/2022 10:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/10/2022 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pressed steel crank pins? do you mean those flat sided tapered pins
> >>>>>>> that you drove in with a hammer and then tightened the retaining nut?
> >>>>>>> I never had one come loose but hammering them out usually ruined them.
> >>>>>>> One time use only (:-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Doing that job consistently well is an art (with many
> >>>>>> subtleties). Unlike the home amateur, I have to be correct
> >>>>>> and complete the first time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard anyone claim those cotter pins were better than
> >>>>> the usual alternatives.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>
> >>>> Overall they are not. But as with other procedures discussed
> >>>> in the thread (and synchronizing multiple carburetors) it's
> >>>> mostly a lost art.
> >>>
> >>> Multiple Carbs?.... Well, the training wheels I can understand but
> >>> multiple carbs? And then speeding down the sidewalk going Roarrrr,
> >>> Roarrrrr?
> >>>
> >>> Missus OMally will take a broom to you.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You miss the magnitude of the problem. Ask anyone under 30
> >> to sharpen a blade.
> >
> > On the other hand I've got a friend, about 80 years old I'd imagine,
> > and sending e-mail is a task that he has his daughter help him with
> > (:-)
> >
> > But sharpening a knife or other edged device? Why, you just take them
> > to the knife sharpening shop, don't you (:-?)
> >
> Sad to say, I know grown men who throw away drill bits and
> buy a new one because they cannot sharpen one. I'm not
> making this up.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

???????????????
Well.......... Not that I throw away a drill bit. Even if it is super duper dull. I'd still keep it. But sharpening a drill bit, I've never done that. Never ever even really thought about it. I've heard about it. Thankfully, or unthankfully, my most used drill bits are the little ones. And I usually always break them before they become dull. Big bits you can actually sharpen aren't used by me too much. And I'm usually drilling wood so dulling isn't really an issue. With metal, dull bits would be obvious a lot quicker I imagine.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:09:22 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Sad to say, I know grown men who throw away drill bits and
> buy a new one because they cannot sharpen one. I'm not
> making this up.

Heck, AFAIK I'm the only guy I hang around with who sharpens drills.

One guy I know came to visit me from his home 700+ miles away. He brought his
drill bits so I would sharpen them.

- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:55:00 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

> But Frank, based on the song Daisy Bell, which seems to date to 1892,
> isn't the "girl" supposed to be "in the front"?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Daisybell.jpg
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w98l2EFR6dE

Reminds me of a story I wrote in the sixties. I wish I could read
more of the series, but it's a very sixties story and I no longer
remember enough to make it authentic.

In one of the background details that never made it onto paper, a
genetically-engineered girl and her foster mother escape on a
custom-built tandem. The girl is eighteen, but appears to be ten at
most, and is also destined to be shorter than average when mature. She
is much stronger than her mother.

So in picking the captain, which matters more: mass or muscle?

Well, in writing that down for the first time I answered the question:
they have always kept a low profile, and a kidback tandem would draw
much less attention than a tandem that declares that the captain could
bench-press a truck.

But suppose that physics is all the matters: who is the captain?

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:15:14 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/11/2022 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> >
> > As for "boxer" - we called them "horizontal opposed" in airplanes. I
> > thought that the modern versions used direct fuel injection?
> >
> >
> Right you are. A Corvair flat-six (auto or aero cam) is not
> a 'boxer'.
>
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/there-s-a-big-difference-between-a-boxer-and-flat-engine-85305.html

I'd forgotten that distinction. So Boxer is a subset of Flat engines.

- Frank Krygowski