On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:03:59 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Reminder: Tom claimed to have a lifetime membership in the Aeolian
> Yacht Club. Too bad they don't offer lifetime memberships.

The aeolian is a "yacht" club in name only. Pictures of their marina from their website show the largest boat is a small cabin cruiser, and it doesn't look like the marina could accommodate much more than that. The vast majority of the boats are pleasure cruisers and fishing boats. There isn't a legitimate yacht in sight. Current membership is about $500 a year. I spend more than that on race entry fees. Basically it's a small marina with a social club. BFD.

> Tality requested I get a BA so that they could promote me to
> department manager
> Chabot College - Hayward, CA

This is curious - He worked for Tality for four years, and claims to have received a BA while working full time for them. It would be interesting to see what constituted such an accelerated program that allowed tommy to get a BA attending college part-time (presumably nights) in less than 4 years.

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> According to Frank, a GED isn't a high school diploma.

He's right, it isn't. They are two very different things

> Also according to Frank, the test given to people entering the service isn't an IQ test

He's right, it isn't, it's an aptitude test which is very different from an IQ test.

> and yet they put me working on the bomb/nav system on a B52

Just because you sat in the seat where the bomb/nav system was located doesn't me they put you to work on it.

> and they put you asking a tow truck operator to tow your aircraft over to a parking space. They put you holding a log book for the crew to enter their complaints and for technicians to check off.

They actually put you holding a tool box for a mechanic.

>
> And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had more than enough credits to graduate

It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.

> when I joined the Air Force 3 months before normal graduation. But you and Frank continue to show your mass jealousy of successful people because you worked very hard to become nothing.

Said the broken old fool living in his mothers house on social security in a crime infested neighborhood.
"Magazines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich

> > And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered
> > that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had
> > more than enough credits to graduate
>
> It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough
> credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.

Okay, I don't usually read these bickerfests, but I happened
across this bit (bored stiff on a work Zoom) and laughed my butt
off. First class smack, well played!

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com> writes:

> Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 7:28:13 PM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 10:13:11 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2/23/2022 10:02 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallejo,_California>
>>>>> The first line says:
>>>>> "Vallejo is a waterfront city in Solano County, California..."
>>>>> <https://goo.gl/maps/bq4Dbrn83vm33ggE7>
>>>
>>>> What's so strange is that instead of Tom simply admitting an honest
>>>> mistake, of not knowing which county the city of Vallejo, and the CSU
>>>> Maritime Academy are located, he decides to double down and lie yet
>>>> again. To what end? There's no debate as to which county Vallejo is in.
>>> I've been pondering the same question. My best guess(tm) is that Tom
>>> is looking for attention. It doesn't matter if his comments are right
>>> or wrong as long as he gets his daily (hourly?) dose of attention from
>>> readers. A correct answer, apology, or admission of error will
>>> usually result in no replies. However, a wrong answer, insult, or
>>> stupid comment, will attract far more attention. So, Tom tends to be
>>> chronically wrong because it works best for his goal of attracting
>>> attention to himself.
>>> --
>>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>>
>> Assume that is the case what would a smart person do?
>>
>> Lou
>>
>
> +1

A word to the wise ...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:46:41 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:03:59 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Reminder: Tom claimed to have a lifetime membership in the Aeolian
>> Yacht Club. Too bad they don't offer lifetime memberships.
>
>The aeolian is a "yacht" club in name only. Pictures of their marina from their website show the largest boat is a small cabin cruiser, and it doesn't look like the marina could accommodate much more than that. The vast majority of the boats are pleasure cruisers and fishing boats. There isn't a legitimate yacht in sight. Current membership is about $500 a year. I spend more than that on race entry fees. Basically it's a small marina with a social club. BFD.

I'm not defending Tommy but I do think you got it wrong. See
http://www.aeolianyc.org/
http://www.aeolianyc.org/marina-facilities.html
which shows their Marina and I see some pretty good sized "yachts",
both power and sail moored there. At least one two masted sailing
yacht that appears to be in the 40 - 50 ft range, although it is
difficult to see clearly and the "Berth Rules and Procedures" state
that they can accommodate up to 50ft.

And course they are pleasure boats as that is what "yachts" are (:-)

>> Tality requested I get a BA so that they could promote me to
>> department manager
>> Chabot College - Hayward, CA
>
>This is curious - He worked for Tality for four years, and claims to have received a BA while working full time for them. It would be interesting to see what constituted such an accelerated program that allowed tommy to get a BA attending college part-time (presumably nights) in less than 4 years.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:56:25 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> According to Frank, a GED isn't a high school diploma.
>
>He's right, it isn't. They are two very different things
>
>> Also according to Frank, the test given to people entering the service isn't an IQ test
>
>He's right, it isn't, it's an aptitude test which is very different from an IQ test.
>
>> and yet they put me working on the bomb/nav system on a B52
>
>Just because you sat in the seat where the bomb/nav system was located doesn't me they put you to work on it.
>
>> and they put you asking a tow truck operator to tow your aircraft over to a parking space. They put you holding a log book for the crew to enter their complaints and for technicians to check off.
>
>They actually put you holding a tool box for a mechanic.
>
>>
>> And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had more than enough credits to graduate
>
>It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.
>
>> when I joined the Air Force 3 months before normal graduation. But you and Frank continue to show your mass jealousy of successful people because you worked very hard to become nothing.
>
>Said the broken old fool living in his mothers house on social security in a crime infested neighborhood.
>"Magazines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich

You know, the statement that "I joined the Air Force 3 months before
normal graduation" seems strange. Why would anyone do that?

Did he realize that his grades were so low that they wouldn't give him
a diploma?
Did he get some girl pregnant and run away to avoid having to marry
her?
Did he get convicted of some crime and the Judge gave him the choice
of enlisting in the military or going to jail?

Mysteries abound.
--
Cheers,

John B.

rOn Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:31:01 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:29:04 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had more than enough credits to graduate when I joined the Air Force 3 months before normal graduation.
>
>How did you ever get into the Air Force? As I read it, you would have
>needed either a high school diploma or a GED:
><https://www.airforce.com/how-to-join/prepare-for-success/meet-requirements>
>(Click the "education" box):
>
><quote>
>- You can enlist in the Air Force with a high school diploma or a GED.
>However, GED holders must meet the following additional requirements:
>
>- Be at least 18 years of age
>
>- Must obtain a 65 qualifying score on the Armed Services Vocational
>Aptitude Battery (ASVAB).
>
>- Obtain 15 or more semester hours of qualifying college credit to
>gain the same eligibility as a high school graduate.
>
>- Note that GED holders must wait for GED applicant slots to become
>available, and this can sometimes mean waiting periods of up to one
>year. Under normal circumstances, 1% of our enlisted force accessions
>are GED holders during a one-year period.
></quote>
>
>I was 17 when I graduated high school. According to your resume on
>LinkedIn, you were at Lawry AFB from 1965 to 1966. You were born in
>1944, so you would have been:
> 1965 - 1944 = 21 years old
>at enlistment. That doesn't seem like you entering the Air Force at
>the age of 17.
>
>Some questions:
>
>1. Did the USAF enlistment requirements change since 1965?
>
>2. If not, how did you enlist in the USAF if you lacked a HS diploma,
>GED, or GED with college credits at the time?
>
>3. Out of curiosity, what did you do in the 18 years between when you
>left the USAF in 1966 and when you started the first job (Thoratec
>Laboratories) listed on your LinkedIn resume in 1984? I'm just
>wondering how you went from minimal USAF training to a qualified
>firmware programmer. It's ok to say the list of jobs was in the
>alleged 14 pages missing from your original resume.

From all Tommy's posts it appears that he was born in 1944 0r 45, or
so he says. So call it 1944 for calculations. Then he would have
finished high school in 1962. Add on 4 years of Air Force service and
it is 1966, which matches the dates mentioned on his resume. BUT.....
his resume states that

Education
Lowry AFB
Completed, Electronics
1965 - 1966
Activities and Societies: US Air Force Technical School

The problem is that the Air Force sends people to Technical School at
the beginning of their service period... so that can get some use out
of them, while Tommy seems to be stating that he was sent to Tech
School at the very end of his enlistment (:-(
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 9:06:45 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:46:41 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:03:59 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Reminder: Tom claimed to have a lifetime membership in the Aeolian
> >> Yacht Club. Too bad they don't offer lifetime memberships.
> >
> >The aeolian is a "yacht" club in name only. Pictures of their marina from their website show the largest boat is a small cabin cruiser, and it doesn't look like the marina could accommodate much more than that. The vast majority of the boats are pleasure cruisers and fishing boats. There isn't a legitimate yacht in sight. Current membership is about $500 a year. I spend more than that on race entry fees. Basically it's a small marina with a social club. BFD.
> I'm not defending Tommy but I do think you got it wrong. See
> http://www.aeolianyc.org/
> http://www.aeolianyc.org/marina-facilities.html
> which shows their Marina and I see some pretty good sized "yachts",
> both power and sail moored there. At least one two masted sailing
> yacht that appears to be in the 40 - 50 ft range, although it is
> difficult to see clearly and the "Berth Rules and Procedures" state
> that they can accommodate up to 50ft.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The term "yacht" is highly subjective.. Certainly there are people with 25 foot sail boats that might refer to their craft as a yacht, and no one can legitimately call them wrong. However, here's an article from boats.com, clearly an opinion piece:
https://www.boats.com/on-the-water/when-is-a-boat-also-a-yacht/

"When I started writing about boats nearly two decades ago, the Mason-Dixon line stood firmly at 80 feet. That was the length overall where we stopped calling a model a “boat” and switched to the term “yacht.”

"A recent random and completely unscientific survey of a group of respected yachtsmen established an equally random 33 feet as their minimum required LOA to achieve yacht status. When pressed, not one could come up with a reason more specific than it “just seems right.”"

"But enough about the etymological future: can you call the boat you own right now a yacht? If any more than three of these five items are true, you pass the test:
1. You refer to your boat as “she” rather than “it”
2. Maintenance and upgrades are done by someone else
3. You deduct the loan payments by considering the boat as a second home
4. Etiquette and clean feet are more important to you on board than on dry land
5. Gawkers from the dock often say “Nice yacht,” with a straight face"

My next door neighbor has a 36 foot cabin cruiser with twin GMC diesels. It sleeps 6 and has enough storage/capacity to sustain him and his wife for a week without having to go out for supplies (besides fuel, which is dependent on how often and far they take it out). He doesn't call it a yacht. His marina is in danversport (http://libertymarina.net/). You can see from their webpage they are larger than the aeolian with more storage services for larger cabin cruisers and mechanical/maintinance services as well. They don't call it a yacht club.

In reality the aeolian isn't a yacht club, it's a marina with a social club.. And like you said, they don't have lifetime memberships. So what we're really dealing with here is just another figment of tommy's imagination.

>
> And course they are pleasure boats as that is what "yachts" are (:-)
> >> Tality requested I get a BA so that they could promote me to
> >> department manager
> >> Chabot College - Hayward, CA
> >
> >This is curious - He worked for Tality for four years, and claims to have received a BA while working full time for them. It would be interesting to see what constituted such an accelerated program that allowed tommy to get a BA attending college part-time (presumably nights) in less than 4 years..
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On 2/24/2022 5:40 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
>>> And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered
>>> that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had
>>> more than enough credits to graduate
>>
>> It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough
>> credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.
>
> Okay, I don't usually read these bickerfests, but I happened
> across this bit (bored stiff on a work Zoom) and laughed my butt
> off. First class smack, well played!

It's the fault of the guidance counselors if they don't inform students
when they have enough credits to graduate.

My high school was an "experimental" public high school for gifted
students (but I got in anyway) and we had a 210 day school year instead
of a 180 day school year. So we all were accumulating more credits per
school year than other schools. As a result, as seniors, our graduation
was three months earlier than other schools (in March instead of June).
Our guidance counselors kept us up to date on the credits we needed in
each subject.

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 5:40:55 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered
> > > that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had
> > > more than enough credits to graduate
> >
> > It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough
> > credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.
> Okay, I don't usually read these bickerfests, but I happened
> across this bit (bored stiff on a work Zoom) and laughed my butt
> off. First class smack, well played!

Ted, I was in the Air Force. I didn't attend the graduation ceremonies. Exactly how would you expect me to know that I graduated when I joined the Air Force 3 months before the end of the school year? I didn't discover that I had graduated until my 50th high school reunion that I attended only to see some of the people I went through school with. Is that something you consider clever smack? I got a GED in the Air Force and then after I got out I had lost the papers so I got another.

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> On 2/24/2022 5:40 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>> And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered
> >>> that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had
> >>> more than enough credits to graduate
> >>
> >> It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough
> >> credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.
> >
> > Okay, I don't usually read these bickerfests, but I happened
> > across this bit (bored stiff on a work Zoom) and laughed my butt
> > off. First class smack, well played!
> It's the fault of the guidance counselors if they don't inform students
> when they have enough credits to graduate.

not buyin' that.
1) at least in Massachusetts, the earned credit total is listed on every report card, and the credit requirement system is described during the high school orientation.
B ) if Tommy was even half as bright as he claims to be (or have been) he would have been fully aware of how many credits he had earned, regardless of whether the information was listed on his report cards or if the guidance counselor neglected some responsibility to communicate that information.

>
> My high school was an "experimental" public high school for gifted
> students (but I got in anyway) and we had a 210 day school year instead
> of a 180 day school year. So we all were accumulating more credits per
> school year than other schools. As a result, as seniors, our graduation
> was three months earlier than other schools (in March instead of June).
> Our guidance counselors kept us up to date on the credits we needed in
> each subject.

On 2/25/2022 11:09 AM, James Carrington wrote:
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> On 2/24/2022 5:40 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>> And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered
>>>>> that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had
>>>>> more than enough credits to graduate
>>>>
>>>> It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough
>>>> credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.
>>>
>>> Okay, I don't usually read these bickerfests, but I happened
>>> across this bit (bored stiff on a work Zoom) and laughed my butt
>>> off. First class smack, well played!
>> It's the fault of the guidance counselors if they don't inform students
>> when they have enough credits to graduate.
>
> not buyin' that.
> 1) at least in Massachusetts, the earned credit total is listed on every report card, and the credit requirement system is described during the high school orientation.
> B ) if Tommy was even half as bright as he claims to be (or have been) he would have been fully aware of how many credits he had earned, regardless of whether the information was listed on his report cards or if the guidance counselor neglected some responsibility to communicate that information.

I've wondered about another possibility. Tom has repeatedly claimed he
had "enough credits to graduate," as if that's the end of the matter.
But that's not the same as having met all requirements for graduation,
and the difference is critical.

I know a very bright young woman who now has a dual major Bachelor's
Degree (Chemistry and Physics) and a good, technical job at a major
pharmaceutical company. But she came within a whisker of not getting her
high school diploma due to an English class requirement.

She managed to complete the English requirement with days to spare. Had
she not, her education and career would have been derailed.

As a further footnote, Tom made reference to his photo in the high
school yearbook. That, too, is proof of nothing. Yearbooks come out
before diplomas. This woman's photo was in her yearbook, and could not
have been removed from every copy if she'd failed English.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/25/2022 8:09 AM, James Carrington wrote:
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> On 2/24/2022 5:40 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>> And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered
>>>>> that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had
>>>>> more than enough credits to graduate
>>>>
>>>> It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough
>>>> credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.
>>>
>>> Okay, I don't usually read these bickerfests, but I happened
>>> across this bit (bored stiff on a work Zoom) and laughed my butt
>>> off. First class smack, well played!
>> It's the fault of the guidance counselors if they don't inform students
>> when they have enough credits to graduate.
>
> not buyin' that.
> 1) at least in Massachusetts, the earned credit total is listed on every report card, and the credit requirement system is described during the high school orientation.

Based on his age, Tom went to high school in the late 1950's/early
1960's. Report cards were hand written. Even in the 1970's, when I was
in high school, our computer generated report cards did not include
accumulated credits.

> B ) if Tommy was even half as bright as he claims to be (or have been) he would have been fully aware of how many credits he had earned, regardless of whether the information was listed on his report cards or if the guidance counselor neglected some responsibility to communicate that information.

True. Once we became seniors we began tracking how many credits we need
until graduation. If you had enough credits you graduated, there was no
other action required on your part.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:48:58 -0800 (PST),
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 5:40:55 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > And I also said that at my high school reunion I
> > > > discovered that I did have a high school graduation anyway
> > > > since I had more than enough credits to graduate
> > >
> > > It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has
> > > enough credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.
> > Okay, I don't usually read these bickerfests, but I happened
> > across this bit (bored stiff on a work Zoom) and laughed my
> > butt off. First class smack, well played!
>
> Ted, I was in the Air Force. I didn't attend the graduation
> ceremonies. Exactly how would you expect me to know that I
> graduated when I joined the Air Force 3 months before the end
> of the school year? I didn't discover that I had graduated
> until my 50th high school reunion that I attended only to see
> some of the people I went through school with. Is that
> something you consider clever smack? I got a GED in the Air
> Force and then after I got out I had lost the papers so I got
> another.

Sorry, Tom, the way the other poster out it just struck me funny.

Congrats to you for getting the GED, that has to take some drive.
I went back to college at 30, and it was not easy.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:30:25 AM UTC-6, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:17:46 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Cadets? Sounds like this Cal Maritime is a state run military school. Similar, but at a state level, to West Point or Naval Academy or Air Force Academy in Colorado. I wonder if any one can apply and be accepted to this Cal Maritime. Or does it have various restrictions and procedures to being admitted.
> Yep. Notice the dress code:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cal+maritime+uniform&tbm=isch>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

That ain't the restrictions I meant. I was more concerned about physical. Such as having diseases that disqualify you from military enrollment at West Point or the Army in total. Such as hernia, glaucoma, severe acne, missing fingers, organ transplant. I found a website that shows the whole list of physical and psychological things that can get you not accepted. Does this Cal Maritime follow the same rules? If you are physically/mentally defective, F Off.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:18:42 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 9:06:45 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:46:41 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:03:59 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Reminder: Tom claimed to have a lifetime membership in the Aeolian
>> >> Yacht Club. Too bad they don't offer lifetime memberships.
>> >
>> >The aeolian is a "yacht" club in name only. Pictures of their marina from their website show the largest boat is a small cabin cruiser, and it doesn't look like the marina could accommodate much more than that. The vast majority of the boats are pleasure cruisers and fishing boats. There isn't a legitimate yacht in sight. Current membership is about $500 a year. I spend more than that on race entry fees. Basically it's a small marina with a social club. BFD.
>> I'm not defending Tommy but I do think you got it wrong. See
>> http://www.aeolianyc.org/
>> http://www.aeolianyc.org/marina-facilities.html
>> which shows their Marina and I see some pretty good sized "yachts",
>> both power and sail moored there. At least one two masted sailing
>> yacht that appears to be in the 40 - 50 ft range, although it is
>> difficult to see clearly and the "Berth Rules and Procedures" state
>> that they can accommodate up to 50ft.
>
>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The term "yacht" is highly subjective. Certainly there are people with 25 foot sail boats that might refer to their craft as a yacht, and no one can legitimately call them wrong. However, here's an article from boats.com, clearly an opinion piece:
>https://www.boats.com/on-the-water/when-is-a-boat-also-a-yacht/
>
>"When I started writing about boats nearly two decades ago, the Mason-Dixon line stood firmly at 80 feet. That was the length overall where we stopped calling a model a “boat” and switched to the term “yacht.”

Well, I was sailing some two decades ago and I guess I'd have to
disagree with you. My first "yacht" - funny most people who actually
sail call their boat a boat - was 35 ft and I sailed it in the open
ocean from Singapore to Malaysia and onward to Thailand and then back
to Singapore. I then bought a 40 ft boat, that had been sailed non
stop from San Diego to Japan and then onward to Singapore, and sailed
it for a number of years, including a trip from Phuket Thailand to
Perth Australia and back.

>
>"A recent random and completely unscientific survey of a group of respected yachtsmen established an equally random 33 feet as their minimum required LOA to achieve yacht status. When pressed, not one could come up with a reason more specific than it “just seems right.”"

Well, maybe so. But, I certainly seen boats as short as 25 ft that
make open ocean voyages. One a friend sailed from Italy to Thailand on
a 25 ft. boat and a second I saw in Singapore that had just completed
a voyage from Australia. And a good friend sailed a 30 ft Cat around
the world.

>"But enough about the etymological future: can you call the boat you own right now a yacht? If any more than three of these five items are true, you pass the test:
>1. You refer to your boat as “she” rather than “it”
>2. Maintenance and upgrades are done by someone else
>3. You deduct the loan payments by considering the boat as a second home
>4. Etiquette and clean feet are more important to you on board than on dry land
>5. Gawkers from the dock often say “Nice yacht,” with a straight face"
>
>My next door neighbor has a 36 foot cabin cruiser with twin GMC diesels. It sleeps 6 and has enough storage/capacity to sustain him and his wife for a week without having to go out for supplies (besides fuel, which is dependent on how often and far they take it out). He doesn't call it a yacht. His marina is in danversport (http://libertymarina.net/). You can see from their webpage they are larger than the aeolian with more storage services for larger cabin cruisers and mechanical/maintinance services as well. They don't call it a yacht club.

What you are describing are Rich Man Toys. Or is there some reason
that people that actually sail... across oceans, rather then Sunday
afternoon trips can't call their boat a "yacht".

>In reality the aeolian isn't a yacht club, it's a marina with a social club. And like you said, they don't have lifetime memberships. So what we're really dealing with here is just another figment of tommy's imagination.
>
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:56:27 PM UTC-6, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > According to Frank, a GED isn't a high school diploma.
> He's right, it isn't. They are two very different things
> > Also according to Frank, the test given to people entering the service isn't an IQ test
> He's right, it isn't, it's an aptitude test which is very different from an IQ test.
>
> > and yet they put me working on the bomb/nav system on a B52
>
> Just because you sat in the seat where the bomb/nav system was located doesn't me they put you to work on it.
> > and they put you asking a tow truck operator to tow your aircraft over to a parking space. They put you holding a log book for the crew to enter their complaints and for technicians to check off.
> They actually put you holding a tool box for a mechanic.
> >
> > And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had more than enough credits to graduate
> It takes a special kind of idiot to not realize he has enough credits to graduate and go out to get a GED instead.

To stick up for Tommy boy, when I went to high school a long time ago, I never ever realized high school graduation depended on credit hours like college. Now with college I know you have to get a certain number of credit hours in certain classes to earn a degree. But credit hours in high school? I always assumed you went four years and passed the classes and then at the end you got your high school diploma. So I can understand Tommy thinking he left school early, therefore, NO high school diploma for Tommy. He was a dropout. A delinquent.

> > when I joined the Air Force 3 months before normal graduation. But you and Frank continue to show your mass jealousy of successful people because you worked very hard to become nothing.
> Said the broken old fool living in his mothers house on social security in a crime infested neighborhood.
> "Magazines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2022-02-13&country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER

I didn't slog through all the name calling. I just googled 'excess deaths 2020 to date' and came up with the graph in the link. (I'd put it in here, but graphics don't seem to be allowed.) There are others, and there are other data and graphics on the Our World In Data website. Don't think they have any axes they are grinding.

Data are about in line with about 1 million covid deaths in the US so far.

Jim

On 2/26/2022 11:30 AM, AnotherJim wrote:
> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2022-02-13&country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER
>
> I didn't slog through all the name calling. I just googled 'excess deaths 2020 to date' and came up with the graph in the link. (I'd put it in here, but graphics don't seem to be allowed.) There are others, and there are other data and graphics on the Our World In Data website. Don't think they have any axes they are grinding.
>
> Data are about in line with about 1 million covid deaths in the US so far.
>
> Jim
>

I don't know. I'm not yet ready to take a leap of faith
among all the conflicting claims here but conflicting
numbers are not confidence inspiring.

Also this week the 20 largest US life insurers reported
large numbers of excess death benefit _about half related to
the Wuhan bioweapon_. Which leaves half the excess not
readily explained.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/life-f24.html

There are excess deaths, and in significant numbers, but how
many from which causes are as yet not clear.

(Insurance benefit payouts are real cash and not subject to
the normal political manipulations, as public health records
are)

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/26/2022 9:30 AM, AnotherJim wrote:
> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2022-02-13&country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER
>
> I didn't slog through all the name calling. I just googled 'excess deaths 2020 to date' and came up with the graph in the link. (I'd put it in here, but graphics don't seem to be allowed.) There are others, and there are other data and graphics on the Our World In Data website. Don't think they have any axes they are grinding.
>
> Data are about in line with about 1 million covid deaths in the US so far.

The "excess death" data is the most accurate method of determining the
death rate due to Covid because the official Covid death rates are
under-counted, either intentionally or inadvertently.

China has had an estimated 600,000-1.7 million deaths due to Covid but
claims to have had less than 5000.

Look at
<https://github.com/akarlinsky/world_mortality/blob/main/world_mortality.csv>.

Nothing other than Covid accounts for the huge increase in mortality
rates during the pandemic.

On 2/26/2022 12:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

>> True. Once we became seniors we began tracking how many credits we need
>> until graduation. If you had enough credits you graduated, there was no
>> other action required on your part.
>
> Yep. I assume you mean California.

You assume wrong.

> I graduated from High Skool in
> June 1965, also in California. The report cards were printed, but the
> name, grades, teacher, and such were hand written. At the time, we
> didn't track "credits" towards graduation. Graduation was based on
> the number of required classes completed. There was nothing on the
> report card to indicate which classes had been completed and which
> were missing. During my senior year in high skool, we were required
> to attend a counseling class to make sure we were on the right track
> to wherever we were planning to do next. For those planning to attend
> college, there was a thorough review of their class records to make
> sure they had the requirements for college. If Tom had received
> similar counseling before graduation, he would have known if he had
> sufficient "credits" or classes long before the actual graduation
> ceremony.

Who knows what the heck actually happened? Perhaps he was the same way
in high school that he is now, a pathological liar. Perhaps he believed
that he would not graduate no matter what and that's why he dropped out
and enlisted in the Air Force. Perhaps enlisting in the Air Force was a
way to prevent being drafted by the Army and being sent to Vietnam, if
so then maybe it was a smart thing to do.

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 9:30:10 AM UTC-8, AnotherJim wrote:
> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2022-02-13&country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER
>
> I didn't slog through all the name calling. I just googled 'excess deaths 2020 to date' and came up with the graph in the link. (I'd put it in here, but graphics don't seem to be allowed.) There are others, and there are other data and graphics on the Our World In Data website. Don't think they have any axes they are grinding.
>
> Data are about in line with about 1 million covid deaths in the US so far..

There are two problems with these numbers Jim. 1. They are combined with pneumonia. 2. They are saying that the pneumonia was caused by covid-19 because they tested positive for covis-19 via PCR. In response to this I will show you, 1. the largest cause of death to old people in the US is pneumonia,.. Testing POSITIVE for covid-19 is not dying from it or it having the pneumonia caused by covid-19. PCR is not a source of diagnosis for ANY virus. And not only is this now admitted by the CDC but the inventor of PCR has videos all over YouTube saying that you cannot diagnose anything with PCR because it only shows the presence of A corona virus that may only be similar and not actually the SARS-Cov-2 virus which they STILL have not isolated and completely sequenced.

Since I am the one that automated PCR for three different companies instruments I am familiar with the chemistry. On this CDC chart you can see what occurred when the NIH offered $50,000 per head to report covid-19 deaths. Note that covid-19 deaths went through the ceiling but there was no change in total deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-data.html

So why has this been done to the American people? So that the Democrats could mass mail ballots to all addresses and not merely to registered voters who requested them. This allowed the Democrats to commit election fraud. This has been shown by election audits where massive numbers of Democrat votes showed up and there were videos of people dumping ballots into the remote ballot boxes. Also massive numbers of Republican votes disappeared.

You have been told that you life has been in danger from a virus that is little more dangerous than the seasonal influenza. You have had your job pulled out from under you, your finances left in shambles and the worst international catastrophes committed under Biden so that the far left mob could steal your life from you.

As for Fauci? I did some work for the CDC during the AIDS epidemic and Fauci did the SAME thing - he made himself rich by pushing useless vaccines rather than developing treatments.

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 11:01:50 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/26/2022 11:30 AM, AnotherJim wrote:
> > https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2022-02-13&country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER
> >
> > I didn't slog through all the name calling. I just googled 'excess deaths 2020 to date' and came up with the graph in the link. (I'd put it in here, but graphics don't seem to be allowed.) There are others, and there are other data and graphics on the Our World In Data website. Don't think they have any axes they are grinding.
> >
> > Data are about in line with about 1 million covid deaths in the US so far.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> I don't know. I'm not yet ready to take a leap of faith
> among all the conflicting claims here but conflicting
> numbers are not confidence inspiring.
>
> Also this week the 20 largest US life insurers reported
> large numbers of excess death benefit _about half related to
> the Wuhan bioweapon_. Which leaves half the excess not
> readily explained.
>
> https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/life-f24.html
>
> There are excess deaths, and in significant numbers, but how
> many from which causes are as yet not clear.
>
> (Insurance benefit payouts are real cash and not subject to
> the normal political manipulations, as public health records
> are)

I will simply note that a 19% increase in deaths is 62,000 people and NOT 900,000. There's another thing at work here, the CLAIM of certain death from covid-19 allows the Life Insurance companies to increase the cost of their policies. And they have to CLAIM that there was an increase in deaths to make this acceptable to their clientele.

The numbers that actual neutral sources have cast about have been no larger than a bad year of seasonal flu. Should this be grounds for shutting the economy down?

On 2/26/2022 2:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/26/2022 11:30 AM, AnotherJim wrote:
>> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2022-02-13&country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER
>>
>>
>> I didn't slog through all the name calling. I just googled 'excess
>> deaths 2020 to date' and came up with the graph in the link. (I'd put
>> it in here, but graphics don't seem to be allowed.) There are others,
>> and there are other data and graphics on the Our World In Data
>> website. Don't think they have any axes they are grinding.
>>
>> Data are about in line with about 1 million covid deaths in the US so
>> far.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> I don't know.  I'm not yet ready to take a leap of faith among all the
> conflicting claims here but conflicting numbers are not confidence
> inspiring.
>
> Also this week the 20 largest US life insurers reported large numbers of
> excess death benefit _about half related to the Wuhan bioweapon_.  Which
> leaves half the excess not readily explained.
>
> https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/life-f24.html
>
> There are excess deaths, and in significant numbers, but how many from
> which causes are as yet not clear.

From that article: "actuaries speaking to the Journal speculated that
these “additional non-COVID fatalities” were a byproduct of delays in
medical care due to lockdowns in 2020 and more recently due to people’s
fears to seek medical attention or delays associated with going to their
doctor."

An anecdote, FWIW: One of my best friends is in serious need of bypass
surgery. He's been delaying and delaying, much to my dismay. When I
don't hear from him for a few days, I fear he waited too long.

One of the reasons he's given for his delay is "I've heard of people
catching COVID in the hospital."

A mutual friend of ours is a retired physician. As he's said, the risk
of catching COVID in a hospital is low; and if you're going to catch
COVID, the hospital is the best place to do it. "We know how to treat it
now."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/26/2022 3:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 11:01:50 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/26/2022 11:30 AM, AnotherJim wrote:
>>> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2022-02-13&country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER
>>>
>>> I didn't slog through all the name calling. I just googled 'excess deaths 2020 to date' and came up with the graph in the link. (I'd put it in here, but graphics don't seem to be allowed.) There are others, and there are other data and graphics on the Our World In Data website. Don't think they have any axes they are grinding.
>>>
>>> Data are about in line with about 1 million covid deaths in the US so far.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>> I don't know. I'm not yet ready to take a leap of faith
>> among all the conflicting claims here but conflicting
>> numbers are not confidence inspiring.
>>
>> Also this week the 20 largest US life insurers reported
>> large numbers of excess death benefit _about half related to
>> the Wuhan bioweapon_. Which leaves half the excess not
>> readily explained.
>>
>> https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/life-f24.html
>>
>> There are excess deaths, and in significant numbers, but how
>> many from which causes are as yet not clear.
>>
>> (Insurance benefit payouts are real cash and not subject to
>> the normal political manipulations, as public health records
>> are)
>
> I will simply note that a 19% increase in deaths is 62,000 people and NOT 900,000. There's another thing at work here, the CLAIM of certain death from covid-19 allows the Life Insurance companies to increase the cost of their policies. And they have to CLAIM that there was an increase in deaths to make this acceptable to their clientele.
>
> The numbers that actual neutral sources have cast about have been no larger than a bad year of seasonal flu. Should this be grounds for shutting the economy down?
>

The set of people with a paid-up life insurance policy at
time of death is a very small subset of humans. That said
their numbers are quite thoroughly reported and actuarily sound.

What that means I am not sure. But the life insurance
industry thinks something unusual has happened/is happening.
Since they have skin in the game they have concerns when
overall rates change.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971