On 2/22/2022 12:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> I take some notes. I was thinking of producing a web page itemizing
> Tom's lies, amazing facts, and unanswered questions. I haven't done
> this because I suspect Tom might enjoy the attention and I'm currently
> a bit busy.
>
>> What I recall about you and "college" is
>> your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
>> socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did.
>
> Something like that. I don't recall exactly what Tom claimed and am
> too busy/lazy to search for the exact claim.

Not to cast any aspersions on lovely Marin County, but there are not any
"highly ranked colleges" there.

In Vallejo there is the California Maritime Academy, now called CSU
Maritime Academy. Vallejo is in Solano County. They have several courses
in navigation. Perhaps that is what Tom was referring to and just didn't
know what county the school is in.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:38:59 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/22/2022 12:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:11:43 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
>>>> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
>>
>>> Depends on the type of nurse.
>>>
>>> In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
>>> Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
>>> probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
>>> NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
>>> proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
>>> prescriptions.
>>
>> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
>> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
>> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
>> More:
>> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
>>
>> Treatment is a different story. The medical establishment has a very
>> effective monopoly on drugs and procedures, which is probably a good
>> thing from the safety standpoint. There are databases of commonly
>> prescribed drugs and treatments, but those are not easily
>> understandable or accessible to the GUM (great unwashed masses). The
>> Star Trek Tricorder is a probably a decade in the future. An open
>> source medication replicator, maybe 20 years.
>>
>>
>
>I'm as critical as anyone of our recently diminished Medical
>Billing Industry (formerly medical services). That said,
>diagnosis is a refined art requiring both great skill and
>deep knowledge, ideally after thousands of iterations. MDs
>who are good are very good (although that group is
>retiring/quitting at dramatic rates). The news is filled
>with idiots who (wrongly) self-diagnose from web pages.
>Something to keep in mind- seek an informed opinion besides
>your own.

I believe I've posted about the chap I knew -Special Forces trained
Medic - who described some of the testing that he went through before
he graduated from Medic Training. One was to be presented a list of
the patients complaints and then diagnose the most likely problem.

Something along the line of, A bloke comes in and with a slight fever
and a small cough, his right hip hurts and he had loose bowels
yesterday.

What is the most likely problem and what is the recommended treatment?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/22/2022 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:38:59 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/22/2022 12:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:11:43 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
>>>>> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
>>>
>>>> Depends on the type of nurse.
>>>>
>>>> In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
>>>> Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
>>>> probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
>>>> NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
>>>> proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
>>>> prescriptions.
>>>
>>> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
>>> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
>>> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
>>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
>>> More:
>>> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
>>>
>>> Treatment is a different story. The medical establishment has a very
>>> effective monopoly on drugs and procedures, which is probably a good
>>> thing from the safety standpoint. There are databases of commonly
>>> prescribed drugs and treatments, but those are not easily
>>> understandable or accessible to the GUM (great unwashed masses). The
>>> Star Trek Tricorder is a probably a decade in the future. An open
>>> source medication replicator, maybe 20 years.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm as critical as anyone of our recently diminished Medical
>> Billing Industry (formerly medical services). That said,
>> diagnosis is a refined art requiring both great skill and
>> deep knowledge, ideally after thousands of iterations. MDs
>> who are good are very good (although that group is
>> retiring/quitting at dramatic rates). The news is filled
>> with idiots who (wrongly) self-diagnose from web pages.
>> Something to keep in mind- seek an informed opinion besides
>> your own.
>
> I believe I've posted about the chap I knew -Special Forces trained
> Medic - who described some of the testing that he went through before
> he graduated from Medic Training. One was to be presented a list of
> the patients complaints and then diagnose the most likely problem.
>
> Something along the line of, A bloke comes in and with a slight fever
> and a small cough, his right hip hurts and he had loose bowels
> yesterday.
>
> What is the most likely problem and what is the recommended treatment?
>

Try appendicitis, most commonly seen in military age young
men and notoriously difficult to diagnose. Not slighting
Navy Medical Corpsmen but there's a lot more to this.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:42:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 12:03:59 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:13:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?
>> >
>> >I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
>> >find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
>> >documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!
>> I need to find the original thread, but as I recall, I couldn't find
>> any school that offered a degree in navigation:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=degree+in+navigation>
>> There are bachelors degrees in Navigation Technology, Maritime
>> Sciences, Nautical Sciences, etc but those are mostly 4 year college
>> degrees. I'm not sure, but I think the 2 year degrees are all
>> "certificates" and not "degrees". Degrees usually require a
>> substantial number of general education courses. There are schools
>> that offer navigation certifications, but those are not colleges.
>>
>> Reminder: Tom claimed to have a lifetime membership in the Aeolian
>> Yacht Club. Too bad they don't offer lifetime memberships. I suspect
>> this might be where "education in navigation" (previously a "degree in
>> navigation") originated.
>> >> Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward?
>> >
>> >Hmm. I think this may be new information,
>> Yep. That's new. Google groups search shows no mention of Tom
>> posting anything about Chabot College prior to today 02/22/2022:
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=Chabot%20author%3ATom%20author%3AKunich>
>> No mention of Chabot College on his LinkedIn resume. Ah, I foundit:
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_Y1MbXuzvNo/m/o6omSxsfAgAJ>
>> Education
>> general education - Degree in navigation
>> Tality requested I get a BA so that they could promote me to
>> department manager
>> Chabot College - Hayward, CA
>>
>> Tom. Which "area of study" did you take? See bottom of web page for
>> the list:
>> <http://www.chabotcollege.edu>
>> >although I don't take notes on
>> >your copious flights of fancy.
>> I take some notes. I was thinking of producing a web page itemizing
>> Tom's lies, amazing facts, and unanswered questions. I haven't done
>> this because I suspect Tom might enjoy the attention and I'm currently
>> a bit busy.
>> >What I recall about you and "college" is
>> >your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
>> >socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did.
>> Something like that. I don't recall exactly what Tom claimed and am
>> too busy/lazy to search for the exact claim.
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
>Plainly your Alzheimer's is advancing rapidly. I said that after I got all of the preliminaries out of the way I audited a physics class at UC Berkeley and that after almost the entire hour of the class the instructor hadn't uttered one single word of physics but had recited socialist propaganda. So I told him off and walked out.
>
>You and Frank simply exaggerate or simply falsify my statements in the hope that I will let you get away with it. Frank's claim that you were unable to find that school of navigation in Marin is an example of that. At the time I published all of the data about it. So if you couldn't find it you're simply a liar. Since I had a degree I assume that the only place that could have issued that was https://www.edumaritime.net/california/california-maritime-academy-vallejo
>
>The only thing I can remember about it is that I was the only one that could use the Captain's Sextant to measure distance off-shore and take a noon latitude. The last voyage, the boat had a GPS so that I could verify my measurements. Since I was the navigator I was also a watch captain and took the night watch. Watches were 4 hours on and 4 hours off.

Well, taking a "noon site" is a pretty elementary thing. I've seen 10
or 12 year old kids that could do that. And using a sextant to measure
distance? Well, if you are claiming that you used only a sextant then
you are lying again. And standing watch? On a commercial vessel there
is no such position as a "Watch Captain" there is only the Captain and
the Mates and normally the Mates stand watches under the supervision
of the Captain.

But, of course, if you want to play navy you can even call yourself an
Admiral, and never leave the Living Room.

And, by the way, I navigated my way from Phuket, Thailand to Perth,
Australia, nearly 3,000 land miles, say 2,600 nautical miles, and back
so obviously I do know a little about navigating a boat.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:05:29 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:44:26 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:42:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tell me about the courses you took at Chabot College.
>> >I said that after I got all of the preliminaries out of the way I audited a physics class at UC Berkeley
>> Amazing. In order to audit a class at any university, you must first
>> be admitted to the university as a student. That means you have to
>> produced a high skool graduation diploma or degree. Auditing classes
>> are the same as being a regular student, except that you do not
>> receive a grade or credit for the class, and your transcript would
>> show an "AU" or something similar to prove that you had taken the
>> class.
>> >and that after almost the entire hour of the class the instructor
>> >hadn't uttered one single word of physics but had recited socialist
>> >propaganda. So I told him off and walked out.
>> Nobody else walked out? Just you? Did you try again with another
>> physics instructor? Did you complain to the administration? Did you
>> ask for a tuition refund?
>> >You and Frank simply exaggerate or simply falsify my statements
>> >in the hope that I will let you get away with it.
>> Get away with what? Just how am I suppose to falsify your statements
>> when everything I use are your statements as saved by Google Groups?
>> Are you suggesting that Frank and I are impersonating you?
>> >Frank's claim that you were unable to find that school of navigation
>> >in Marin is an example of that. At the time I published all of the
>> >data about it. So if you couldn't find it you're simply a liar.
>> You just don't seem to understand how logic works. If you can't prove
>> your own claim, then don't expect someone else to do it for you.
>> >Since I had a degree I assume that the only place that could have
>> >issued that was
>> >https://www.edumaritime.net/california/california-maritime-academy-vallejo
>> Interesting that you wrote "had a degree" in past tense. Did you
>> loose your degree somehow? Can't get a replacement?
>>
>> Looking through the list undergraduate majors, I don't see anything
>> mentioned about offering only a degree in navigation. Which major did
>> you take and what does it say on your degree?
>> >The only thing I can remember about it is that I was the only one
>> >that could use the Captain's Sextant to measure distance off-shore
>> >and take a noon latitude.
>> More amazing facts that demonstrate you've never used a sextant. You
>> cannot measure distance with a sextant. All it does is measure the
>> elevation angle above the horizon. You can obtain the latitude with a
>> noon sight. How does one measure distance with a sextant?
>> >The last voyage, the boat had a GPS so that I could verify my
>> >measurements.
>> You don't really need a GPS to verify your measurements. A nautical
>> chart will do as well.
>> >Since I was the navigator I was also a watch captain and took the
>> >night watch. Watches were 4 hours on and 4 hours off.
>> I've never heard of a night watch or a watch captain. The traditional
>> watch names are:
>> - First Watch (2000hrs through to midnight)
>> - Middle Watch (000hrs to 0400hrs)
>> - Morning Watch (0400hrs to 0800hrs)
>> - Forenoon Watch (0800hrs to 1200hrs)
>> - Afternoon Watch (1200hrs to 1600hrs)
>> - First Dog Watch (1600hrs to 1800hrs)
>> - Last Dog Watch 1800hrs to 2000hrs)
>> The names do vary depending on service and type of vessel. You got
>> the 4 hr sea watches correct.
>>
>> [ 45 minutes wasted ]
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> Why didn't you tell us what experience you've had at sea? You might want to list the number of years you were a seaman so that everyone can understand what sort of knowledge you have. We'll be waiting for that.

You go first Tommy and please include copies of your USCG licenses.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:24:39 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:44:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:42:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>The only thing I can remember about it is that I was the only one
>>>that could use the Captain's Sextant to measure distance off-shore
>>>and take a noon latitude.
>>
>>More amazing facts that demonstrate you've never used a sextant. You
>>cannot measure distance with a sextant. All it does is measure the
>>elevation angle above the horizon. You can obtain the latitude with a
>>noon sight. How does one measure distance with a sextant?
>
>Oops. I just realized that it is possible to measure distance off
>short with a sextant. It's not commonly used in that manner, but it
>is possible. Tom, can you explain how it's done? If you can't, I'll
>explain (later).

I asked him in another message but you cannot measure distance with
only a sextant and no other device/thing/etc.. Perhaps a trick
question but certainly true.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:57:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/22/2022 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:38:59 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/22/2022 12:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:11:43 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
>>>>>> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
>>>>
>>>>> Depends on the type of nurse.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
>>>>> Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
>>>>> probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
>>>>> NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
>>>>> proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
>>>>> prescriptions.
>>>>
>>>> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
>>>> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
>>>> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
>>>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
>>>> More:
>>>> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
>>>>
>>>> Treatment is a different story. The medical establishment has a very
>>>> effective monopoly on drugs and procedures, which is probably a good
>>>> thing from the safety standpoint. There are databases of commonly
>>>> prescribed drugs and treatments, but those are not easily
>>>> understandable or accessible to the GUM (great unwashed masses). The
>>>> Star Trek Tricorder is a probably a decade in the future. An open
>>>> source medication replicator, maybe 20 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm as critical as anyone of our recently diminished Medical
>>> Billing Industry (formerly medical services). That said,
>>> diagnosis is a refined art requiring both great skill and
>>> deep knowledge, ideally after thousands of iterations. MDs
>>> who are good are very good (although that group is
>>> retiring/quitting at dramatic rates). The news is filled
>>> with idiots who (wrongly) self-diagnose from web pages.
>>> Something to keep in mind- seek an informed opinion besides
>>> your own.
>>
>> I believe I've posted about the chap I knew -Special Forces trained
>> Medic - who described some of the testing that he went through before
>> he graduated from Medic Training. One was to be presented a list of
>> the patients complaints and then diagnose the most likely problem.
>>
>> Something along the line of, A bloke comes in and with a slight fever
>> and a small cough, his right hip hurts and he had loose bowels
>> yesterday.
>>
>> What is the most likely problem and what is the recommended treatment?
>>
>
>Try appendicitis, most commonly seen in military age young
>men and notoriously difficult to diagnose. Not slighting
>Navy Medical Corpsmen but there's a lot more to this.

Nope. The bloke had "had drink taken" the previous evening and the
fall that hurt the hip, headache and loose bowels was the result. The
treatment was two APC pills and "come back tomorrow if you don't feel
better" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:42:03 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 08:16:58 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:24:39 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:44:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:42:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>The only thing I can remember about it is that I was the only one
>>>>>that could use the Captain's Sextant to measure distance off-shore
>>>>>and take a noon latitude.
>>>>
>>>>More amazing facts that demonstrate you've never used a sextant. You
>>>>cannot measure distance with a sextant. All it does is measure the
>>>>elevation angle above the horizon. You can obtain the latitude with a
>>>>noon sight. How does one measure distance with a sextant?
>>>
>>>Oops. I just realized that it is possible to measure distance off
>>>short with a sextant. It's not commonly used in that manner, but it
>>>is possible. Tom, can you explain how it's done? If you can't, I'll
>>>explain (later).
>
>>I asked him in another message but you cannot measure distance with
>>only a sextant and no other device/thing/etc.. Perhaps a trick
>>question but certainly true.
>
>I beg to differ. I initially thought it couldn't be done but upon
>further reflection, I realized that it's quite easy. You're correct
>that other items are required:
>1. Road map or nautical chart of the area.
>2. Calculator and scratch pad.
>3. Binoculars.
>I will admit that it's somewhat of a trick question. However, I can't
>think of a hint that wouldn't also disclose the method, so I'll save
>that for later.
>

Read what I said - cannot measure distance with only a sextant and no
other device/thing/etc."

And yes... if you have an accurate chart or you know the height of a
mountain or the distance between to rocks you can calculate distance
with a sextant but they are "other devices, things, etc." (:-)

But having said that many nautical charts were drawn from survey data
perhaps a hundred years, or more, old and weren't accurate down to the
last nth of a whatever. I'm reminded of a good friend who's favorite
anchoring place at an island in the Philippines was, according to his
new GPS, something like a mile onto dry land.

See
https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/06/23/accurate-nautical-charts/
for more information

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/22/2022 8:50 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:57:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/22/2022 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:38:59 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/22/2022 12:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:11:43 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
>>>>>>> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on the type of nurse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
>>>>>> Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
>>>>>> probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
>>>>>> NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
>>>>>> proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
>>>>>> prescriptions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
>>>>> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
>>>>> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
>>>>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
>>>>> More:
>>>>> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
>>>>>
>>>>> Treatment is a different story. The medical establishment has a very
>>>>> effective monopoly on drugs and procedures, which is probably a good
>>>>> thing from the safety standpoint. There are databases of commonly
>>>>> prescribed drugs and treatments, but those are not easily
>>>>> understandable or accessible to the GUM (great unwashed masses). The
>>>>> Star Trek Tricorder is a probably a decade in the future. An open
>>>>> source medication replicator, maybe 20 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm as critical as anyone of our recently diminished Medical
>>>> Billing Industry (formerly medical services). That said,
>>>> diagnosis is a refined art requiring both great skill and
>>>> deep knowledge, ideally after thousands of iterations. MDs
>>>> who are good are very good (although that group is
>>>> retiring/quitting at dramatic rates). The news is filled
>>>> with idiots who (wrongly) self-diagnose from web pages.
>>>> Something to keep in mind- seek an informed opinion besides
>>>> your own.
>>>
>>> I believe I've posted about the chap I knew -Special Forces trained
>>> Medic - who described some of the testing that he went through before
>>> he graduated from Medic Training. One was to be presented a list of
>>> the patients complaints and then diagnose the most likely problem.
>>>
>>> Something along the line of, A bloke comes in and with a slight fever
>>> and a small cough, his right hip hurts and he had loose bowels
>>> yesterday.
>>>
>>> What is the most likely problem and what is the recommended treatment?
>>>
>>
>> Try appendicitis, most commonly seen in military age young
>> men and notoriously difficult to diagnose. Not slighting
>> Navy Medical Corpsmen but there's a lot more to this.
>
>
> Nope. The bloke had "had drink taken" the previous evening and the
> fall that hurt the hip, headache and loose bowels was the result. The
> treatment was two APC pills and "come back tomorrow if you don't feel
> better" (:-)
>

My point was that medical diagnoses can be difficult at
times with high stakes.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 2:24:48 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:44:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> >On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:42:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>The only thing I can remember about it is that I was the only one
> >>that could use the Captain's Sextant to measure distance off-shore
> >>and take a noon latitude.
> >
> >More amazing facts that demonstrate you've never used a sextant. You
> >cannot measure distance with a sextant. All it does is measure the
> >elevation angle above the horizon. You can obtain the latitude with a
> >noon sight. How does one measure distance with a sextant?
> Oops. I just realized that it is possible to measure distance off
> short with a sextant. It's not commonly used in that manner, but it
> is possible. Tom, can you explain how it's done? If you can't, I'll
> explain (later).

So suddenly you remember what trigonometry is? Amazing. You must have emailed someone that actually has an education.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:09:55 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 3:04 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:13:11 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What education have you had John?
> >>>> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
> >>>> school diploma!
> >>>>
> >>>> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
> >>>> that, right?
> >>>
> >>> Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate?
> >> Tom, people don't "discover" that they graduated high school. That's not
> >> how that works. And a high school diploma disqualifies you from getting
> >> a GED, which you've claimed you have.
> >>> And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?
> >> I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
> >> find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
> >> documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!
> >>> Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward?
> >> Hmm. I think this may be new information, although I don't take notes on
> >> your copious flights of fancy. What I recall about you and "college" is
> >> your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
> >> socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did. But hey,
> >> feel free to give us documentation! (Is that two year degree on your
> >> resume? I don't remember.)
> >>> Is that because that is the only way you can infer that I didn't attain heights in my career that you couldn't even dream of?
> >> I never dreamed of having a long, long string of temporary jobs with
> >> most lasting less than two years, so you've got me there! The places I
> >> worked seemed to want to keep me. Even the big firm I used for a "back
> >> to industry" sabbatical tried to talk me in returning to them for
> >> engineering consulting work in the summers.
> >>> That you're so penniless that you have to make claims on other people's money as all communists do?
> >> Dude, I'm far, far from penniless. I could buy every bike in your
> >> ever-churning stable on a moment's notice. I could buy your house, too,
> >> but I wouldn't want to live in that hellhole.
> >
> > When I discovered that diploma I published all of the information about it. If Jeff couldn't find it he was a liar plain and simple.
> Tom, you're making even less sense than usual. If you have a diploma,
> produce the evidence now. There are ways of doing that.
>
> Pretending you "remember" having a diploma is not one of those ways,
> especially given your "memory."

I apparently put it in my records storage and I have to intentions of digging through years and years of records for your satisfaction of wasting my time. Where is YOUR diploma? Framed in glass sitting on your wall, the most important thing in your life?

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 4:22:23 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:24:37 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:25:07 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 16:15:03 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:58:09 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> On 2/21/2022 6:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He has a Phd. in health science.
> >> >> > What can you do with a masters in health science?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Pediatrics
> >> >> > Physical Therapy
> >> >> > Neurology
> >> >> > Oncology
> >> >> Wait! Is Tom Kunich now saying that education makes a person
> >> >> knowledgeable, and qualified to speak on matters he's studied?
> >> >>
> >> >> Glory be!
> >> >>
> >> >> Now will Tom convince those without diplomas and degrees to quiet down
> >> >> and listen to huge numbers of highly educated and trained specialists?
> >> >
> >> >He has a PhD Frank, and he has actually studied his subject. What do you have? If you were a real engineer you would have obtained a job as a real engineer. So tell me all about how some worthless amateur like yourself pretends to be educated?
> >> Your argument is silly. I worked with a bloke, several of them, that
> >> had PhD's and none of them claimed to be sufficiently well educated to
> >> diagnose or treat sick people.
> >
> >What education have you had John? If must have been very great considering you parked aircraft with a tow truck and made sure that the real technicians filled out the paperwork. Impress me some more
> What education? Well, I have a high school diploma so 1 for me and 0
> for you. Then I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering (aeronautical)
> so 2 for me and 0 for you. And finally I completed an apprenticeship
> in Machine Shop Practice (as my certificate says) so 3 for me and
> strike out for you.

Well, I was making a quarter of a million dollars per year without your oh so valuable diploma. Tell us how much you were making?

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 4:22:59 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:13:11 AM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> What education have you had John?
> > >> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
> > >> school diploma!
> > >>
> > >> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
> > >> that, right?
> > >
> > > Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate?
> > Tom, people don't "discover" that they graduated high school. That's not
> > how that works. And a high school diploma disqualifies you from getting
> > a GED, which you've claimed you have.
> > > And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?
> > I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
> > find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
> > documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!
> I can believe that. After all Tommy has bragged numerous times about being a member of the Yacht Club. I am not a member of a Yacht Club. So I suspect the Yacht Club offered an afternoon class, seminar, on navigation one Saturday afternoon. And Tommy showed up to mock the instructor about all he did not know and Tommy did know. So Tommy now claims to have an education in navigation. Makes perfect sense to me. After all, I did take a class at Northwestern in Evanston one summer long ago. On how to sail a 420 class two man sail boat. We sailed on Lake Michigan. But I do not belong to a Yacht Club or claim I know how to sail. Other than what I learned that summer.
> > > Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward?
> > Hmm. I think this may be new information, although I don't take notes on
> > your copious flights of fancy. What I recall about you and "college" is
> > your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
> > socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did. But hey,
> > feel free to give us documentation! (Is that two year degree on your
> > resume? I don't remember.)
> > > Is that because that is the only way you can infer that I didn't attain heights in my career that you couldn't even dream of?
> > I never dreamed of having a long, long string of temporary jobs with
> > most lasting less than two years, so you've got me there! The places I
> > worked seemed to want to keep me. Even the big firm I used for a "back
> > to industry" sabbatical tried to talk me in returning to them for
> > engineering consulting work in the summers.
> > > That you're so penniless that you have to make claims on other people's money as all communists do?
> > Dude, I'm far, far from penniless. I could buy every bike in your
> > ever-churning stable on a moment's notice. I could buy your house, too,
> > but I wouldn't want to live in that hellhole.

You are not a member of a yacht club and yet you know all about them. You also knew that a 40 meter radio had an antenna 40 meters off of the ground. You also cannot use simple arithmetic nor understand the English language. You are do vastly intelligent I just can ever hope to match that.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:45:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>
> >> What education have you had John?
> >
> >:-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
> >school diploma!
> >
> >But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
> >that, right?
> But did he, really?
>
> For some years Tommy bragged about his failure to graduate from high
> school and then you, Frank, mentioned the GED and suddenly Tommy
> claimed that "Oh Yes! I had one of them too!

According to Frank, a GED isn't a high school diploma. Also according to Frank, the test given to people entering the service isn't an IQ test and yet they put me working on the bomb/nav system on a B52 and they put you asking a tow truck operator to tow your aircraft over to a parking space. They put you holding a log book for the crew to enter their complaints and for technicians to check off.

And I also said that at my high school reunion I discovered that I did have a high school graduation anyway since I had more than enough credits to graduate when I joined the Air Force 3 months before normal graduation. But you and Frank continue to show your mass jealousy of successful people because you worked very hard to become nothing.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 4:25:58 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 12:11:48 PM UTC-6, sms wrote:
> > On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
> > > not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
> > Depends on the type of nurse.
> >
> > In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
> > Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
> > probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
> > NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
> > proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
> > prescriptions.
> >
> > In the U.S., it used to be that to become an RN you needed only a two
> > year Associate Degree. Now a four year Bachelor's degree is the minimum..
> ??????? Back in the 1950s when my Mom became an RN, she took a 4 year degree. And in the 1970s my Uncle took a 4 year degree to become an RN. My niece a couple years ago became an RN with a 4 year degree. So I don't know about this claim you could become an RN with only a 2 year degree. Not since the 1950s anyway.

Scharf's entire world is belittling anyone. He has never recovered from being elected and then allowing the electorate to see him as he really is. Now he couldn't get elected to dog catcher. Imagine being the most hated leftist in a town that is nearly communist in composition.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 4:50:20 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 12:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > I take some notes. I was thinking of producing a web page itemizing
> > Tom's lies, amazing facts, and unanswered questions. I haven't done
> > this because I suspect Tom might enjoy the attention and I'm currently
> > a bit busy.
> >
> >> What I recall about you and "college" is
> >> your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
> >> socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did.
> >
> > Something like that. I don't recall exactly what Tom claimed and am
> > too busy/lazy to search for the exact claim.
> Not to cast any aspersions on lovely Marin County, but there are not any
> "highly ranked colleges" there.
>
> In Vallejo there is the California Maritime Academy, now called CSU
> Maritime Academy. Vallejo is in Solano County. They have several courses
> in navigation. Perhaps that is what Tom was referring to and just didn't
> know what county the school is in.
So, now we know that Scharf is totally unaware that Vallejo is in Marin County. But he would like you to vote for him.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 4:57:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:38:59 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/22/2022 12:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:11:43 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
> >>>>> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
> >>>
> >>>> Depends on the type of nurse.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
> >>>> Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
> >>>> probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
> >>>> NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
> >>>> proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
> >>>> prescriptions.
> >>>
> >>> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
> >>> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
> >>> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
> >>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
> >>> More:
> >>> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
> >>>
> >>> Treatment is a different story. The medical establishment has a very
> >>> effective monopoly on drugs and procedures, which is probably a good
> >>> thing from the safety standpoint. There are databases of commonly
> >>> prescribed drugs and treatments, but those are not easily
> >>> understandable or accessible to the GUM (great unwashed masses). The
> >>> Star Trek Tricorder is a probably a decade in the future. An open
> >>> source medication replicator, maybe 20 years.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm as critical as anyone of our recently diminished Medical
> >> Billing Industry (formerly medical services). That said,
> >> diagnosis is a refined art requiring both great skill and
> >> deep knowledge, ideally after thousands of iterations. MDs
> >> who are good are very good (although that group is
> >> retiring/quitting at dramatic rates). The news is filled
> >> with idiots who (wrongly) self-diagnose from web pages.
> >> Something to keep in mind- seek an informed opinion besides
> >> your own.
> >
> > I believe I've posted about the chap I knew -Special Forces trained
> > Medic - who described some of the testing that he went through before
> > he graduated from Medic Training. One was to be presented a list of
> > the patients complaints and then diagnose the most likely problem.
> >
> > Something along the line of, A bloke comes in and with a slight fever
> > and a small cough, his right hip hurts and he had loose bowels
> > yesterday.
> >
> > What is the most likely problem and what is the recommended treatment?
> >
> Try appendicitis, most commonly seen in military age young
> men and notoriously difficult to diagnose. Not slighting
> Navy Medical Corpsmen but there's a lot more to this.

I presently am having stress pain in my left lower abdomen and am one of the one out of 8500 to have their guts reversed. So perhaps I am developing appendicitis.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:37:01 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:42:03 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 08:16:58 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:24:39 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:44:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:42:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >>>><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>The only thing I can remember about it is that I was the only one
> >>>>>that could use the Captain's Sextant to measure distance off-shore
> >>>>>and take a noon latitude.
> >>>>
> >>>>More amazing facts that demonstrate you've never used a sextant. You
> >>>>cannot measure distance with a sextant. All it does is measure the
> >>>>elevation angle above the horizon. You can obtain the latitude with a
> >>>>noon sight. How does one measure distance with a sextant?
> >>>
> >>>Oops. I just realized that it is possible to measure distance off
> >>>short with a sextant. It's not commonly used in that manner, but it
> >>>is possible. Tom, can you explain how it's done? If you can't, I'll
> >>>explain (later).
> >
> >>I asked him in another message but you cannot measure distance with
> >>only a sextant and no other device/thing/etc.. Perhaps a trick
> >>question but certainly true.
> >
> >I beg to differ. I initially thought it couldn't be done but upon
> >further reflection, I realized that it's quite easy. You're correct
> >that other items are required:
> >1. Road map or nautical chart of the area.
> >2. Calculator and scratch pad.
> >3. Binoculars.
> >I will admit that it's somewhat of a trick question. However, I can't
> >think of a hint that wouldn't also disclose the method, so I'll save
> >that for later.
> >
> Read what I said - cannot measure distance with only a sextant and no
> other device/thing/etc."
>
> And yes... if you have an accurate chart or you know the height of a
> mountain or the distance between to rocks you can calculate distance
> with a sextant but they are "other devices, things, etc." (:-)
>
> But having said that many nautical charts were drawn from survey data
> perhaps a hundred years, or more, old and weren't accurate down to the
> last nth of a whatever. I'm reminded of a good friend who's favorite
> anchoring place at an island in the Philippines was, according to his
> new GPS, something like a mile onto dry land.
>
> See
> https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/06/23/accurate-nautical-charts/
> for more information

Why are you continually posting about things you know absolutely nothing about? Do you believe that ships and boats navigate anything more than crudely by navigational chart? You simply must advertise your ignorance with every push of a key don't you?

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 6:03:38 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 8:50 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:57:12 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/22/2022 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:38:59 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/22/2022 12:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:11:43 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
> >>>>>>> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Depends on the type of nurse.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
> >>>>>> Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
> >>>>>> probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
> >>>>>> NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
> >>>>>> proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
> >>>>>> prescriptions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
> >>>>> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
> >>>>> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
> >>>>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
> >>>>> More:
> >>>>> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Treatment is a different story. The medical establishment has a very
> >>>>> effective monopoly on drugs and procedures, which is probably a good
> >>>>> thing from the safety standpoint. There are databases of commonly
> >>>>> prescribed drugs and treatments, but those are not easily
> >>>>> understandable or accessible to the GUM (great unwashed masses). The
> >>>>> Star Trek Tricorder is a probably a decade in the future. An open
> >>>>> source medication replicator, maybe 20 years.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm as critical as anyone of our recently diminished Medical
> >>>> Billing Industry (formerly medical services). That said,
> >>>> diagnosis is a refined art requiring both great skill and
> >>>> deep knowledge, ideally after thousands of iterations. MDs
> >>>> who are good are very good (although that group is
> >>>> retiring/quitting at dramatic rates). The news is filled
> >>>> with idiots who (wrongly) self-diagnose from web pages.
> >>>> Something to keep in mind- seek an informed opinion besides
> >>>> your own.
> >>>
> >>> I believe I've posted about the chap I knew -Special Forces trained
> >>> Medic - who described some of the testing that he went through before
> >>> he graduated from Medic Training. One was to be presented a list of
> >>> the patients complaints and then diagnose the most likely problem.
> >>>
> >>> Something along the line of, A bloke comes in and with a slight fever
> >>> and a small cough, his right hip hurts and he had loose bowels
> >>> yesterday.
> >>>
> >>> What is the most likely problem and what is the recommended treatment?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Try appendicitis, most commonly seen in military age young
> >> men and notoriously difficult to diagnose. Not slighting
> >> Navy Medical Corpsmen but there's a lot more to this.
> >
> >
> > Nope. The bloke had "had drink taken" the previous evening and the
> > fall that hurt the hip, headache and loose bowels was the result. The
> > treatment was two APC pills and "come back tomorrow if you don't feel
> > better" (:-)
> >
> My point was that medical diagnoses can be difficult at
> times with high stakes.

Medics are little more than nurses without the education. More than half of the standard treatments in hospitals are performed by nurses. My just retired sister in law ran the entire diabetes treatments for Alameda County. She had other nurses below her that would connect each patient up to the blood treatment machines for the proper period of time.

Idiots like Russell and Slow Johnny think that a nurse is nothing more than a receptionist.

On 2/23/2022 10:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:09:55 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> Tom, you're making even less sense than usual. If you have a diploma,
>> produce the evidence now. There are ways of doing that.
>>
>> Pretending you "remember" having a diploma is not one of those ways,
>> especially given your "memory."
>
> I apparently put it in my records storage and I have to intentions of digging through years and years of records for your satisfaction of wasting my time.

You mean you "remember" putting it somewhere. You need to stop trusting
your memory, Tom. Your own posts have confirmed that dozens of times.

> Where is YOUR diploma? Framed in glass sitting on your wall, the most important thing in your life?

All my diplomas (and my wife's, too) are in the file cabinet about six
feet from me, where I keep important papers.

I don't have the diplomas framed on the wall. But I do have two
Professional Engineer licenses framed on the wall.

In a sense, framing diplomas would be redundant anyway. One can't get
the PE without the education, plus sufficient professional experience.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/23/2022 10:19 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> Well, I was making a quarter of a million dollars per year without your oh so valuable diploma. Tell us how much you were making?

Is that what you "remember"? :-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/23/2022 10:02 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallejo,_California>
> The first line says:
> "Vallejo is a waterfront city in Solano County, California..."
> <https://goo.gl/maps/bq4Dbrn83vm33ggE7>

What's so strange is that instead of Tom simply admitting an honest
mistake, of not knowing which county the city of Vallejo, and the CSU
Maritime Academy are located, he decides to double down and lie yet
again. To what end? There's no debate as to which county Vallejo is in.

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 7:28:13 PM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 10:13:11 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
> >On 2/23/2022 10:02 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallejo,_California>
> >> The first line says:
> >> "Vallejo is a waterfront city in Solano County, California..."
> >> <https://goo.gl/maps/bq4Dbrn83vm33ggE7>
>
> >What's so strange is that instead of Tom simply admitting an honest
> >mistake, of not knowing which county the city of Vallejo, and the CSU
> >Maritime Academy are located, he decides to double down and lie yet
> >again. To what end? There's no debate as to which county Vallejo is in.
> I've been pondering the same question. My best guess(tm) is that Tom
> is looking for attention. It doesn't matter if his comments are right
> or wrong as long as he gets his daily (hourly?) dose of attention from
> readers. A correct answer, apology, or admission of error will
> usually result in no replies. However, a wrong answer, insult, or
> stupid comment, will attract far more attention. So, Tom tends to be
> chronically wrong because it works best for his goal of attracting
> attention to himself.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Assume that is the case what would a smart person do?

Lou

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 10:02:44 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:34:46 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 4:50:20 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> >> On 2/22/2022 12:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> > I take some notes. I was thinking of producing a web page itemizing
> >> > Tom's lies, amazing facts, and unanswered questions. I haven't done
> >> > this because I suspect Tom might enjoy the attention and I'm currently
> >> > a bit busy.
> >> >
> >> >> What I recall about you and "college" is
> >> >> your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
> >> >> socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did.
> >> >
> >> > Something like that. I don't recall exactly what Tom claimed and am
> >> > too busy/lazy to search for the exact claim.
> >> Not to cast any aspersions on lovely Marin County, but there are not any
> >> "highly ranked colleges" there.
> >>
> >> In Vallejo there is the California Maritime Academy, now called CSU
> >> Maritime Academy. Vallejo is in Solano County. They have several courses
> >> in navigation. Perhaps that is what Tom was referring to and just didn't
> >> know what county the school is in.
>
> >So, now we know that Scharf is totally unaware that Vallejo is in Marin County. But he would like you to vote for him.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallejo,_California>
> The first line says:
> "Vallejo is a waterfront city in Solano County, California..."
> <https://goo.gl/maps/bq4Dbrn83vm33ggE7>

On the Marin peninsula.

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I presently am having stress pain in my left lower abdomen and am one of the one out of 8500 to have their guts reversed. So perhaps I am developing appendicitis.
> <https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/10029-malrotation>
> "Malrotation occurs in around one out of every 500 births in the
> United States and usually presents within the first year of a baby’s
> life, though it may also be asymptomatic. Only around one out of every
> 6000 infants will develop symptomatic malrotation, with 30% to 60% of
> cases diagnosed during the first week of life."
>
> "Left Side Appendicitis with Midgut Malrotation in an Adult"
> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3889003/>

Is there some reason that your sick mind continues to post here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situs_inversus Maybe IF you could read you'd be able to see that is occurs .01% of one in 10,000 people. I suggest you have another visit with your psychologist because you last several posting have been only to attempt to prove me wrong on any point possible. You mind is going and your Alzheimer's is advancing at a rate that you brain will soon become non-functional with the usual shut down of all body processes such as your heart.